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Be big or go home: Ryanair adds more than 200 routes for W17

Mon Mar 06, 2017 8:51 am

After a few weeks of announcements, a total of 202 routes :o (144 new routes and 58 extended into winter season) for Ryanair.

When will Ryanair stop?

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... f-05mar17/

Barcelona – Krakow eff 29OCT17 2 weekly (Day 47)
Barcelona – Luxembourg eff 29OCT17 4 weekly (Day x246)
Barcelona – Prague eff 29OCT17 1 daily
Barcelona – Venice eff 29OCT17 9 weekly
Berlin Schoenefeld – Billund eff 29OCT17 4 weekly (Day x246)
Berlin Schoenefeld – Kerry eff 02NOV17 2 weekly (Day 46)
Bratislava – Bologna eff 30OCT17 2 weekly (Day 15)
Bratislava – Thessaloniki eff 30OCT17 2 weekly (Day 15)
Brussels South Charleroi – Lisbon eff 29OCT17 1 daily
Brussels South Charleroi – Naples eff 31OCT17 3 weekly (Day 246)
Brussels South Charleroi – Plovdiv eff 30OCT17 2 weekly (Day 15)
Brussels South Charleroi – Varna eff 29OCT17 2 weekly (Day 47)
Brussels South Charleroi – Wroclaw eff 31OCT17 3 weekly (Day 246)
Cologne – Bologna eff 01NOV17 2 weekly (Day 36)
Cologne – Bristol eff 29OCT17 4 weekly (Day x246)
Cologne – Manchester eff 29OCT17 1 daily
Cologne – Seville eff 02NOV17 2 weekly (Day 46)
Cologne – Venice Treviso eff 02NOV17 2 weekly (Day 46)
Cologne – Vilnius eff 01NOV17 2 weekly (Day 36)
Copenhagen – Liverpool eff 31OCT17 4 weekly (Day x157)
Edinburgh – Budapest eff 30OCT17 2 weekly (Day 15)
Edinburgh – Carcassonne eff 31OCT17 2 weekly (Day 26)
Edinburgh – Eindhoven eff 29OCT17 3 weekly (Day 157)
Edinburgh – Hamburg eff 31OCT17 2 weekly (Day 26)
Edinburgh – Karlsruhe/Baden-Baden eff 31OCT17 2 weekly (Day 24)
Edinburgh – Nantes eff 30OCT17 2 weekly (Day 15)
Edinburgh – Prague eff 31OCT17 3 weekly (Day 246)
Edinburgh – Szczecin eff 02NOV17 2 weekly (Day 46)
Edinburgh – Toulouse eff 29OCT17 2 weekly (Day 37)
Edinburgh – Venice Treviso eff 30OCT17 3 weekly (Day 135)
Eilat/Ovda – Berlin Schoenefeld eff 30OCT17 2 weekly (Day 15)
Eilat/Ovda – Brussels South Charleroi eff 29OCT17 2 weekly (Day 47)
Eilat/Ovda – Frankfurt Hahn eff 29OCT17 2 weekly (Day 47)
Eilat/Ovda – Gdansk eff 02NOV17 2 weekly (Day 46)
Eilat/Ovda – Karlsruhe/Baden-Baden eff 30OCT17 2 weekly (Day 15)
Eilat/Ovda – Milan Bergamo eff 02NOV17 2 weekly (Day 46)
Eilat/Ovda – Poznan eff 30OCT17 2 weekly (Day 15)
Eilat/Ovda – Warsaw Modlin eff 29OCT17 2 weekly (Day 57)
Fez – Bremen eff 02NOV17 2 weekly (Day 46)
Fez – Memmingen eff 29OCT17 2 weekly (Day 37)
Fez – Seville eff 29OCT17 2 weekly (Day 37)
Frankfurt – Athens eff 29OCT17 1 daily
Frankfurt – Barcelona eff 29OCT17 1 daily
Frankfurt – Brindisi eff 31OCT17 3 weekly (Day 246)
Frankfurt – Catania eff 29OCT17 4 weekly (Day x246)
Frankfurt – Glasgow eff 29OCT17 1 daily
Frankfurt – Gran Canaria/Las Palmas eff 30OCT17 2 weekly (Day 15)
Frankfurt – Krakow eff 29OCT17 1 daily
Frankfurt – Lanzarote eff 29OCT17 2 weekly (Day 37)
Frankfurt – Lisbon eff 29OCT17 1 daily
Frankfurt – London Stansted eff 29OCT17 2 daily
Frankfurt – Madrid eff 29OCT17 1 daily
Frankfurt – Manchester eff 29OCT17 6 weekly (Day x6)
Frankfurt – Milan Bergamo eff 29OCT17 1 daily
Frankfurt – Pisa eff 31OCT17 3 weekly (Day 246)
Frankfurt – Porto eff 29OCT17 1 daily
Frankfurt – Seville eff 31OCT17 3 weekly (Day 246)
Frankfurt – Tenerife South eff 31OCT17 3 weekly (Day 246)
Frankfurt – Toulouse eff 29OCT17 4 weekly (Day x246)
Frankfurt – Valencia eff 29OCT17 1 daily
Frankfurt – Venice Treviso eff 29OCT17 1 daily
Gdansk – Aarhus 2 weekly
Gdansk – Wroclaw 3 weekly
Hamburg – Oslo Torp eff 30OCT17 2 weekly (Day 15)
Hamburg – Seville eff 29OCT17 2 weekly (Day 47)
Katowice – Athens eff 02NOV17 2 weekly (Day 46)
Katowice – Edinburgh eff 29OCT17 2 weekly (Day 57)
Katowice – Milan Malpensa eff 29OCT17 2 weekly (Day 37)
Krakow – Athens eff 02NOV17 2 weekly (Day 46)
Krakow – Barcelona eff 29OCT17 2 weekly (Day 47)
Krakow – Berlin Schoenefeld eff 29OCT17 1 daily
Krakow – Glasgow eff 29OCT17 2 weekly (Day 37)
Krakow – Gothenburg eff 31OCT17 3 weekly (Day 246)
Krakow – Lisbon eff 30OCT17 2 weekly (Day 15)
Krakow – Malmo eff 31OCT17 3 weekly (Day 246)
Krakow – Marrakech eff 30OCT17 2 weekly (Day 15)
Krakow – Marseille eff 02NOV17 2 weekly (Day 46)
Krakow – Naples eff 02NOV17 2 weekly (Day 46)
Krakow – Nuremberg eff 30OCT17 3 weekly (Day 135)
Krakow – Prague eff 29OCT17 2 weekly (Day 47)
Krakow – Seville eff 29OCT17 2 weekly (Day 57)
Krakow – Tel Aviv eff 31OCT17 2 weekly (Day 24)
London Stansted – Aalborg eff 31OCT17 3 weekly (Day 246)
London Stansted – Oradea eff 31OCT17 3 weekly (Day 246)
London Stansted – Pardubice eff 30OCT17 3 weekly (Day 135)
Madrid – Bari eff 31OCT17 3 weekly (Day 246)
Madrid – Glasgow eff 29OCT17 4 weekly (Day x245)
Madrid – Prague eff 29OCT17 4 weekly (Day x135)
Malta – Belfast 2 weekly
Malta – Naples 2 weekly
Malta – Riga 2 weekly
Marrakech – Budapest eff 30OCT17 2 weekly (Day 15)
Marrakech – Cologne eff 30OCT17 2 weekly (Day 15)
Marrakech – Nimes eff 02NOV17 2 weekly (Day 46)
Marrakech – Perpignan eff 31OCT17 3 weekly (Day 246)
Marrakech – Santander eff 30OCT17 2 weekly (Day 15)
Marrakech – Venice Treviso eff 29OCT17 2 weekly (Day 37)
Milan Malpensa – Alicante eff 30OCT17 2 weekly (Day 15)
Milan Malpensa – Eindhoven eff 29OCT17 4 weekly (Day x246)
Milan Malpensa – Katowice eff 29OCT17 2 weekly (Day 37)
Milan Malpensa – Lamezia Terme eff 29OCT17 2 daily
Milan Malpensa – Liverpool eff 31OCT17 3 weekly (Day 246)
Milan Malpensa – Palermo eff 29OCT17 2 daily
Milan Malpensa – Valencia eff 29OCT17 1 daily
Naples – Bologna eff 29OCT17 1 daily
Nuremberg – Krakow eff 30OCT17 3 weekly (Day 135)
Nuremberg – Vilnius eff 31OCT17 2 weekly (Day 26)
Prague – Bologna eff 310OCT17 3 weekly (Day 246)
Prague – Budapest eff 29OCT17 5 weekly (Day x24)
Prague – Eindhoven eff 29OCT17 1 daily
Prague – Madrid eff 29OCT17 4 weekly (Day x135)
Prague – Malaga eff 29OCT17 2 weekly (Day 57)
Rabat – Eindhoven eff 30OCT17 2 weekly (Day 15)
Seville – Bari eff 30OCT17 2 weekly (Day 15)
Seville – Cologne eff 02NOV17 2 weekly (Day 46)
Seville – Copenhagen eff 02NOV17 2 weekly (Day 46)
Seville – East Midlands eff 29OCT17 2 weekly (Day 47)
Seville – Manchester eff 30OCT17 2 weekly (Day 15)
Seville – Memmingen eff 31OCT17 2 weekly (Day 24)
Seville – Toulouse eff 30OCT17 2 weekly (Day 16)
Seville – Valladolid eff 29OCT17 2 weekly (Day 37)
Seville – Verona eff 30OCT17 2 weekly (Day 15)
Seville – Warsaw Modlin eff 02NOV17 2 weekly (Day 46)
Tangier – Eindhoven eff 29OCT17 2 weekly (Day 57)
Tel Aviv – Gdansk eff 30OCT17 2 weekly (Day 15)
Tel Aviv – Karlsruhe/Baden-Baden eff 29OCT17 2 weekly (Day 47)
Tel Aviv – Milan Bergamo eff 29OCT17 4 weekly (Day x246)
Tel Aviv – Poznan eff 29OCT17 2 weekly (Day 47)
Tel Aviv – Wroclaw eff 29OCT17 2 weekly (Day 17)
Thessaloniki – Eindhoven eff 02NOV17 2 weekly (Day 46)
Thessaloniki – Memmingen eff 30OCT17 2 weekly (Day 15)
Thessaloniki – Naples eff 29OCT17 2 weekly (Day 47)
Valencia – Budapest eff 30OCT17 2 weekly (Day 15)
Valencia – Edinburgh eff 31OCT17 3 weekly (Day 246)
Valencia – Eindhoven eff 30OCT17 2 weekly (Day 135)
Valencia – Milan Malpensa eff 29OCT17 1 daily
Warsaw Modlin – Karlsruhe/Baden-Baden eff 29OCT17 2 weekly (Day 57)
Warsaw Modlin – Memmingen eff 29OCT17 3 weekly (Day 157)
Warsaw Modlin – Venice Treviso eff 30OCT17 2 weekly (Day 15)
Wroclaw – Edinburgh eff 02NOV17 2 weekly (Day 46)
Wroclaw – Gdansk eff 310OCT17 3 weekly (Day 246)
Wroclaw – Leeds/Bradford eff 30OCT17 2 weekly (Day 15)
Wroclaw – Naples eff 30OCT17 2 weekly (Day 15)
Wroclaw – Oslo Torp eff 30OCT17 2 weekly (Day 15)

Following routes will be converted to year-round service, instead of summer seasonal:

Barcelona – Brussels Charleroi 1 daily
Barcelona – Naples 4 weekly (Day x246)
Bologna – Eindhoven 3 weekly (Day 246)
Bologna – Lisbon 3 weekly (Day 246)
Gdansk – Vaxjo 2 weekly (Day 15)
Hamburg – Katowice 3 weekly (Day 246)
Hamburg – Thessaloniki 2 weekly (Day 46)
Hamburg – Valencia 3 weekly (Day 246)
Hamburg – Venice Treviso 3 weekly (Day 135)
Krakow – Pisa 2 weekly (Day 15)
Krakow – Porto 2 weekly (Day 15)
Krakow – Valencia 2 weekly (Day 37)
Krakow – Venice Treviso 2 weekly (Day 36)
London Stansted – Cagliari 3 weekly (Day 246)
London Stansted – Copenhagen 3 daily
London Stansted – Naples 1 daily
London Stansted – Nice 1 daily
London Stansted – Oslo Torp 3 weekly (Day 247)
London Stansted – Ponta Delgada 1 weekly (Day 6)
Madrid – Cagliari 2 weekly (Day 26)
Madrid – Lamezia Terme 2 weekly (Day 15)
Madrid – Luxembourg 4 weekly (Day x246)
Madrid – Naples 3 weekly (Day 357)
Madrid – Newcastle 2 weekly (Day 15)
Madrid – Nuremberg 4 weekly (Day x346)
Madrid – Palermo 2 weekly (Day 47)
Madrid – Verona 2 weekly (Day 15)
Milan Bergamo – Bordeaux 3 weekly (Day 246)
Milan Bergamo – Edinburgh 5 weekly (Day x47)
Milan Bergamo – Luxembourg 4 weekly (Day x247)
Milan Bergamo – Naples 4 daily
Milan Bergamo – Oradea 2 weekly (Day 36)
Murcia – Leeds/Bradford 2 weekly (Day 26)
Nador – Dusseldorf Weeze 2 weekly (Day 46)
Nuremberg – Bari 2 weekly (Day 15)
Nuremberg – Madrid 4 weekly (Day x346)
Nuremberg – Palermo 2 weekly (Day 47)
Nuremberg – Porto 2 weekly (Day 26)
Oujda – Paris Beauvais 2 weekly (Day 37)
Prague – Liverpool 4 weekly (Day x256)
Rome Ciampino – Comiso 4 weekly (Day x246)
Rome Ciampino – Trieste 4 weekly (Day x246)
Seville – Ibiza 2 weekly (Day 37)
Seville – Naples 2 weekly (Day 37)
Seville – Valencia 4 weekly (Day x246)
Tel Aviv – Paphos 1 daily
Thessaloniki – Dortmund 2 weekly (Day 37)
Thessaloniki – Karlsruhe/Baden-Baden 2 weekly (Day 57)
Thessaloniki – Warsaw Modlin 2 weekly (Day 15)
Valencia – Dublin 2 weekly (Day 37)
Valencia – Glasgow 2 weekly (Day 15)
Valencia – Krakow 2 weekly (Day 37)
Valencia – Marrakech 2 weekly (Day 26)
Valencia – Marseille 2 weekly (Day 37)
Valencia – Naples 2 weekly (Day 26)
Valencia – Palma Mallorca 1 daily
Valencia – Santander 3 weekly (Day 246)
Warsaw Chopin – Szczecin 1 daily
 
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Re: Be big or go home: Ryanair adds more than 200 routes for W17

Mon Mar 06, 2017 9:28 am

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When will Ryanair stop?
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Re: Be big or go home: Ryanair adds more than 200 routes for W17

Mon Mar 06, 2017 9:38 am

How many possible links are there in Europe?
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Re: Be big or go home: Ryanair adds more than 200 routes for W17

Mon Mar 06, 2017 9:39 am

BestWestern wrote:
How many possible links are there in Europe?


That is my question. :D

Will Ryanair end up linking every other two airports in EMEA? It looks so.
 
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Re: Be big or go home: Ryanair adds more than 200 routes for W17

Mon Mar 06, 2017 10:06 am

Interesting that they will fly domestic polish flights, have they done so before?

That's why they don't need transfer traffic, they simply fly every possible combination!
 
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Re: Be big or go home: Ryanair adds more than 200 routes for W17

Mon Mar 06, 2017 10:25 am

Luxair747SP wrote:
Interesting that they will fly domestic polish flights, have they done so before?


Yes, they fly from WAW (contrary to WMI where they fly international) to GDN and WRO.
 
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Re: Be big or go home: Ryanair adds more than 200 routes for W17

Mon Mar 06, 2017 10:32 am

BestWestern wrote:
How many possible links are there in Europe?


Loads, me thinks. Lots and lots of still untapped territory, forever left forgotten by 'flag carriers' citing the inability to run routes profitably....
 
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Re: Be big or go home: Ryanair adds more than 200 routes for W17

Mon Mar 06, 2017 10:43 am

Finland is still almost untapped. Ryanair doesn't have bases in Finland. There are only two summer routes from Tampere (TMP) to Bremen (BRE) and Budapest (BUD), both twice weekly. There should be plenty of potential at Helsinki airport (HEL) and, to a lesser extent Tampere (TMP) and Turku (TKU).
 
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Re: Be big or go home: Ryanair adds more than 200 routes for W17

Mon Mar 06, 2017 10:53 am

I also just passed through BEG yesterday and thought that there FR could also be successful, outside of the banks of Air Serbia, the airport was completely deserted, but some destinations could work, as most of the pax on my flights with Air Serbia were actually going to BEG.
 
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Re: Be big or go home: Ryanair adds more than 200 routes for W17

Mon Mar 06, 2017 10:58 am

Luxair747SP wrote:
I also just passed through BEG yesterday and thought that there FR could also be successful, outside of the banks of Air Serbia, the airport was completely deserted, but some destinations could work, as most of the pax on my flights with Air Serbia were actually going to BEG.


Indeed, I think the Balkans would have a lot of potential for Ryanair. Btw they started flying to INI (Nis) in Serbia not long ago. They serve Bergamo, Berlin-Schönefeld, Bratislava and Weeze.
 
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Re: Be big or go home: Ryanair adds more than 200 routes for W17

Mon Mar 06, 2017 11:05 am

Still no routes to Switzerland planned? It is becoming a more and more obvious hole in their network.
 
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Re: Be big or go home: Ryanair adds more than 200 routes for W17

Mon Mar 06, 2017 11:20 am

When did FR move into MXP?
 
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Re: Be big or go home: Ryanair adds more than 200 routes for W17

Mon Mar 06, 2017 11:27 am

BestWestern wrote:
How many possible links are there in Europe?


I think it helps somewhat that Ryanair don't do connecting flights. People go on Ryanair's website put in their home airport as origin, and up pops a list of somewhat unknown destinations, sorted by country, that gets one thinking and researching. Suddenly, there is demand where there never was demand before! Had Ryanair offered connecting flights, that destination list just gets too big, and people might not even think about some of the more unknown destinations.

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Re: Be big or go home: Ryanair adds more than 200 routes for W17

Mon Mar 06, 2017 11:39 am

CXfirst wrote:
BestWestern wrote:
How many possible links are there in Europe?


I think it helps somewhat that Ryanair don't do connecting flights. People go on Ryanair's website put in their home airport as origin, and up pops a list of somewhat unknown destinations, sorted by country, that gets one thinking and researching. Suddenly, there is demand where there never was demand before! Had Ryanair offered connecting flights, that destination list just gets too big, and people might not even think about some of the more unknown destinations.

-CXfirst


Flew Sat evening from STN to a capital in Europe. Three dressed up British girls (the ones you expect on a Sat evening in central Manchester) talking to a local guy on the subway after arriving at destination. They were saying they booked a cheap flight and were taking a "night out" since a friend lived now in the city, and they were to return to STN on Sunday afternoon.

Call that "estimulating demand" :D
 
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Re: Be big or go home: Ryanair adds more than 200 routes for W17

Mon Mar 06, 2017 12:30 pm

It looks like Ryanair has given up Stockholm. Not a single new route to Skavsta NYO. Instead many old routes have been closed or reduced the last years.
NYO-FMM closed
NYO-BRE closed
NYO-LBC closed
NYO-HHN closed
NYO-SXF closed
NYO-FKB closed
NYO-EIN closed
NYO-BTS closed
NYO-OPO closed
NYO-FAO closed
NYO-PSA closed
NYO-TSF closed
NYO-TPS closed
NYO-CIA closed
NYO-EDI closed
NYO-DUB closed
NTO-TLL closed
NYO-RIX closed
NYO-KUN closed
NYO-AGP down to 2 flights per week
NYO-ALC down to 3 flights per week
NYO-BVA down to 3 flights per week.
NYO-STN down to 2 flights per day. This is one of the first Ryanair routes in Europe.
 
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Re: Be big or go home: Ryanair adds more than 200 routes for W17

Mon Mar 06, 2017 12:34 pm

flyingbird wrote:
It looks like Ryanair has given up Stockholm. Not a single new route to Skavsta NYO. Instead many old routes have been closed or reduced the last years..


Many of those routes are secondary-to-secondary and it seems FR is leaving those markets. NYO-HHN can't probably do anything with ARN-FRA.

But they are starting NAP and TGD this summer season.
 
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Re: Be big or go home: Ryanair adds more than 200 routes for W17

Mon Mar 06, 2017 12:48 pm

SCQ83 wrote:
flyingbird wrote:
It looks like Ryanair has given up Stockholm. Not a single new route to Skavsta NYO. Instead many old routes have been closed or reduced the last years..


Many of those routes are secondary-to-secondary and it seems FR is leaving those markets. NYO-HHN can't probably do anything with ARN-FRA.

But they are starting NAP and TGD this summer season.


Indeed and HHN is more serving nowasays the area between Saarbrücken, Luxembourg, Mainz and Kaiserslautern. Never saw many people from the FRA area there, although I think on the long shot HHN will also close, as FR is moving more and more to FRA, LUX and CGN, which are all a lot easier to reach by public transport. as HHN is for most pax minimum 60mins by car away with not the best public transport except for some long distance busses
 
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Re: Be big or go home: Ryanair adds more than 200 routes for W17

Mon Mar 06, 2017 1:33 pm

with all these routes served from secondary airports and in some cases, tertiary airports, why hasn't Ryanair started service across the pond? It seems that they have quite the network to be successful. They could probably make a killing on the Euro end of things. A bunch of 737 MAX planes would do the trick.
 
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Re: Be big or go home: Ryanair adds more than 200 routes for W17

Mon Mar 06, 2017 2:35 pm

Can you imagine a U.S. carrier with this kind of expansion? :spin:
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Re: Be big or go home: Ryanair adds more than 200 routes for W17

Mon Mar 06, 2017 2:55 pm

jumbojet wrote:
with all these routes served from secondary airports and in some cases, tertiary airports, why hasn't Ryanair started service across the pond? It seems that they have quite the network to be successful. They could probably make a killing on the Euro end of things. A bunch of 737 MAX planes would do the trick.

Search any of the dozens of threads on this in the archives and you will see. MOL just finally gave up on this thought the other week, if he ever entertained it seriously.
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Re: Be big or go home: Ryanair adds more than 200 routes for W17

Mon Mar 06, 2017 2:56 pm

flyingbird wrote:
It looks like Ryanair has given up Stockholm. Not a single new route to Skavsta NYO. Instead many old routes have been closed or reduced the last years.
NYO-FMM closed
NYO-BRE closed
NYO-LBC closed
NYO-HHN closed
NYO-SXF closed
NYO-FKB closed
NYO-EIN closed
NYO-BTS closed
NYO-OPO closed
NYO-FAO closed
NYO-PSA closed
NYO-TSF closed
NYO-TPS closed
NYO-CIA closed
NYO-EDI closed
NYO-DUB closed
NTO-TLL closed
NYO-RIX closed
NYO-KUN closed
NYO-AGP down to 2 flights per week
NYO-ALC down to 3 flights per week
NYO-BVA down to 3 flights per week.
NYO-STN down to 2 flights per day. This is one of the first Ryanair routes in Europe.


NYO-BRE hasn't been closed....I hope. I booked it yesterday to travel in April...
 
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Re: Be big or go home: Ryanair adds more than 200 routes for W17

Mon Mar 06, 2017 3:52 pm

flyingbird wrote:
It looks like Ryanair has given up Stockholm. Not a single new route to Skavsta NYO. Instead many old routes have been closed or reduced the last years.

NYO-AGP down to 2 flights per week
NYO-ALC down to 3 flights per week
NYO-BVA down to 3 flights per week.
NYO-STN down to 2 flights per day. This is one of the first Ryanair routes in Europe.


Sooner than later, Ryanair are going to have to make one of these decisions in regards to Stockholm (and NYO):

1) Transfer all their operations to ARN and take Norwegian AND SAS on. Not out of the question after their new-ish "main airports" policy (FRA, BCN, BRU, etc)
2) Transfer to ARN only the routes where they compete head to head with Norwegian and/or SAS and keep the rest at NYO
3) Open only "exotic" destinations from NYO, that are not served by anyone from ARN.
4) Only fly from NYO routes where they can get some kind of sponsorship, from NYO or from the other side.
5) Stay in NYO as they are and keep it as one of the least profitable cities in their network, or in the worst case let it die a slow death. This is my least favourite option. So many kronas going to other pockets!

Thoughts?
 
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Re: Be big or go home: Ryanair adds more than 200 routes for W17

Mon Mar 06, 2017 4:24 pm

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Still no routes to Switzerland planned? It is becoming a more and more obvious hole in their network.

Not quite true, they have a few flights to BSL, althiough I'm not sure whether their operation is officially to MLH or to BSL.
 
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Re: Be big or go home: Ryanair adds more than 200 routes for W17

Mon Mar 06, 2017 6:07 pm

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Still no routes to Switzerland planned? It is becoming a more and more obvious hole in their network.


They do fly to Basel as far as I know. Of course the airport is officially located in France, but very close to Switzerland.

However, since Switzerland is not a EU member, do they have the right to establish a base there? EasyJet does have that right through their Swiss subsidiary, but Ryanair doesn't have one. I think this would make that they can only fly to Switzerland from their bases in other EU countries. I agree that destinations like Zurich, Geneva and maybe Bern would work for them. Bern is a very small airport, but I think it's capable of handling a 737.

But there are more holes in their network, Iceland for example. Ryanair doesn't have any flights to Iceland. Other European LCCs like EasyJet and Wizzair do. When will we see Ryanair start the first flights to Keflavik? Or will they try Akureyri as an exotic Icelandic destination?
 
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Re: Be big or go home: Ryanair adds more than 200 routes for W17

Mon Mar 06, 2017 6:18 pm

hynithuchi wrote:
hotelbravo wrote:
Still no routes to Switzerland planned? It is becoming a more and more obvious hole in their network.

Not quite true, they have a few flights to BSL, althiough I'm not sure whether their operation is officially to MLH or to BSL.

It's probably Zürich West, if you ask them.... :duck:
 
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Re: Be big or go home: Ryanair adds more than 200 routes for W17

Mon Mar 06, 2017 7:25 pm

SCQ83 wrote:
After a few weeks of announcements, a total of 202 routes :o (144 new routes and 58 extended into winter season) for Ryanair.

When will Ryanair stop?


Where is Ryanair finding all the new pilots needed for the increased flying?
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Re: Be big or go home: Ryanair adds more than 200 routes for W17

Mon Mar 06, 2017 7:54 pm

BobPatterson wrote:
SCQ83 wrote:
After a few weeks of announcements, a total of 202 routes :o (144 new routes and 58 extended into winter season) for Ryanair.

When will Ryanair stop?


Where is Ryanair finding all the new pilots needed for the increased flying?

Air Berlin and Alitalia... :stirthepot:
 
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Re: Be big or go home: Ryanair adds more than 200 routes for W17

Mon Mar 06, 2017 8:12 pm

MalevTU134 wrote:
hynithuchi wrote:
Not quite true, they have a few flights to BSL, althiough I'm not sure whether their operation is officially to MLH or to BSL.

It's probably Zürich West, if you ask them.... :duck:


No, they actually call it Basel. Weird thing about this airport is that it has three IATA-codes (BSL, MLH and EAP) and two ICAO-codes (LFSB and LSZM) and it's all the same airport.

Maybe the reason they're not flying to Zürich is because they're waiting for Dübendorf to become available as an alternative, but I doubt it. With their latest strategy they might just go for the big one. On the other hand, Dübendorf is just as close to the city of Zürich as Kloten so why not? All it needs is a passenger terminal, and knowing Ryanair it can be very basic.
 
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Mon Mar 06, 2017 8:17 pm

I assume most of the places they don't fly to is because landing fees are just too high for their business model. Case of CPH; they only started operating there when CPH Go opened. Or maybe because there is too much competition for a tiny market, case for Iceland (WOW, Icelandair, Easyjet) while being quite long segments.

And then of course France where they don't have a single base because of their confrontations with the French government and their work regulations.
 
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Mon Mar 06, 2017 8:23 pm

SCQ83 wrote:
I assume most of the places they don't fly to is because landing fees are just too high for their business model. Case of CPH; they only started operating there when CPH Go opened. Or maybe because there is too much competition for a tiny market, case for Iceland (WOW, Icelandair, Easyjet) while being quite long segments.

And then of course France where they don't have a single base because of their confrontations with the French government and their work regulations.


The biggest mystery of the FR network is why they don't serve GVA. GVA has all other major low-cost carriers and reasonable landing/passenger charges. FR could quite easily make a number of routes work to GVA, including during winter when they could benefit from ski traffic.

I've somewhat wondered if there isn't an unwritten gentleman's agreement between easyJet and Ryanair where one doesn't fly to Ireland and the other to Geneva.
 
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Mon Mar 06, 2017 8:42 pm

SCQ83 wrote:
I assume most of the places they don't fly to is because landing fees are just too high for their business model. Case of CPH; they only started operating there when CPH Go opened. Or maybe because there is too much competition for a tiny market, case for Iceland (WOW, Icelandair, Easyjet) while being quite long segments.


But isn't that the case with more major airports? They didn't serve Lisbon before terminal 2 opened. They didn't serve Amsterdam before the H-concourse opened. Most of these LCC terminals or concourses are already too small anyway so some LCCs need to use regular gates because there's no room for them at the cheap gates. In Copenhagen Norwegian is the largest LCC, but they don't use CPH Go. In Amsterdam Transavia wants to make use of the H-Concourse, but they're being denied because it's already full with mostly EasyJet and some Ryanair. Amsterdam needs three more H-concourses to accomodate all the low-cost flights, but they don't have them.

runway23 wrote:
The biggest mystery of the FR network is why they don't serve GVA. GVA has all other major low-cost carriers and reasonable landing/passenger charges. FR could quite easily make a number of routes work to GVA, including during winter when they could benefit from ski traffic.

I've somewhat wondered if there isn't an unwritten gentleman's agreement between easyJet and Ryanair where one doesn't fly to Ireland and the other to Geneva.


Ryanair would be the first airline to break such a gentlemens agreement, if they see profit they just enter a market and take it over. They've done so on plenty of EasyJet routes where EasyJet had to pull out because Ryanair was just cheaper. They're also quite active in eastern Europe lately, the home of Wizzair beating them on their own ground. But indeed, there are quite a few untouched spots in the Ryanair network which are left entirely to the competition. Most noticeable are Switzerland and Iceland.
 
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Re: Be big or go home: Ryanair adds more than 200 routes for W17

Mon Mar 06, 2017 8:46 pm

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flyingbird wrote:
It looks like Ryanair has given up Stockholm. Not a single new route to Skavsta NYO. Instead many old routes have been closed or reduced the last years.
NYO-FMM closed
NYO-BRE closed
NYO-LBC closed
NYO-HHN closed
NYO-SXF closed
NYO-FKB closed
NYO-EIN closed
NYO-BTS closed
NYO-OPO closed
NYO-FAO closed
NYO-PSA closed
NYO-TSF closed
NYO-TPS closed
NYO-CIA closed
NYO-EDI closed
NYO-DUB closed
NTO-TLL closed
NYO-RIX closed
NYO-KUN closed
NYO-AGP down to 2 flights per week
NYO-ALC down to 3 flights per week
NYO-BVA down to 3 flights per week.
NYO-STN down to 2 flights per day. This is one of the first Ryanair routes in Europe.


NYO-BRE hasn't been closed....I hope. I booked it yesterday to travel in April...


This thread is about W17 and yes it's closed in W17.
 
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Mon Mar 06, 2017 8:50 pm

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MalevTU134 wrote:
NYO-BRE hasn't been closed....I hope. I booked it yesterday to travel in April...


This thread is about W17 and yes it's closed in W17.


It's a summer only route, currently closed for the winter but will resume by the end of march. In october it'll end again, unless by that time they decide otherwise.
 
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Mon Mar 06, 2017 8:56 pm

I was told about 10 years ago by a member of GVA airport authorities that they had been approached by FR about basing 6-8 aircraft here. This was refused mainly because there were no overnight parking facilities at the time. I can immagine that with the limited runway and ramp capacity, they preferred network carriers operating to main airports rather than the FR system. Please remember, GVA has a single runway, limited ramp area and cannot extend the airport perimeter in any way. I could easily see some FR flights from other basis's operating into GVA but with the current political climate and ecological pressure ( at local level ), I have serious doubts GVA will accept any significant increase of LCC movements in the future. ZRH would be an alternative, but their fees are high and I doubt they are willing to attract FR by lowering their airport fees.
 
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Mon Mar 06, 2017 9:15 pm

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I was told about 10 years ago by a member of GVA airport authorities that they had been approached by FR about basing 6-8 aircraft here. This was refused mainly because there were no overnight parking facilities at the time. I can immagine that with the limited runway and ramp capacity, they preferred network carriers operating to main airports rather than the FR system. Please remember, GVA has a single runway, limited ramp area and cannot extend the airport perimeter in any way. I could easily see some FR flights from other basis's operating into GVA but with the current political climate and ecological pressure ( at local level ), I have serious doubts GVA will accept any significant increase of LCC movements in the future. ZRH would be an alternative, but their fees are high and I doubt they are willing to attract FR by lowering their airport fees.


easyJet have continually added an extra aircraft almost every year since 2008/09. Swiss increased the number of based aircraft (and are now decreasing the number). I don't think a couple extra flights would make a difference. No politicians said anything about Vueling or Wizzair for example. In recent times there have been a number of new night stops in GVA (BA, AB for example). Apart for the morning and late afternoon and winter weekends, there's still capacity available.
 
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Re: Be big or go home: Ryanair adds more than 200 routes for W17

Mon Mar 06, 2017 10:42 pm

flyingbird wrote:
MalevTU134 wrote:
flyingbird wrote:
It looks like Ryanair has given up Stockholm. Not a single new route to Skavsta NYO. Instead many old routes have been closed or reduced the last years.
NYO-FMM closed
NYO-BRE closed
NYO-LBC closed
NYO-HHN closed
NYO-SXF closed
NYO-FKB closed
NYO-EIN closed
NYO-BTS closed
NYO-OPO closed
NYO-FAO closed
NYO-PSA closed
NYO-TSF closed
NYO-TPS closed
NYO-CIA closed
NYO-EDI closed
NYO-DUB closed
NTO-TLL closed
NYO-RIX closed
NYO-KUN closed
NYO-AGP down to 2 flights per week
NYO-ALC down to 3 flights per week
NYO-BVA down to 3 flights per week.
NYO-STN down to 2 flights per day. This is one of the first Ryanair routes in Europe.


NYO-BRE hasn't been closed....I hope. I booked it yesterday to travel in April...


This thread is about W17 and yes it's closed in W17.

Don't mean to nitpick, but if this is all about W17, then why do you state that those flights were "closed or reduced the last years"? That is what my comment was all about. But don't worry, I appreciate your heads-up about that route not being flown during W17.
 
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Mon Mar 06, 2017 11:49 pm

Loads of markets still to play in - I think their bases in Eastern European have a lot of potential for connections to places like the UAE, Gerogie, Armenia, Azerbaijan etc if they can secure traffic rights.
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Tue Mar 07, 2017 6:02 am

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But isn't that the case with more major airports? They didn't serve Lisbon before terminal 2 opened.

The issue with LIS was space, not taxes. I believe the "rack rate" for taxes at T2 and T1 is exactly the same however I'm sure FR got a deal as is usually the case when an airport wants to attract a new airline. The bigger obstacle was efficiency. FR requires a 25 minute turn around. For that they need a terminal with an extremely efficient ground operation. T2 at LIS gave them that.
 
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Tue Mar 07, 2017 6:56 am

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Loads of markets still to play in - I think their bases in Eastern European have a lot of potential for connections to places like the UAE, Gerogie, Armenia, Azerbaijan etc if they can secure traffic rights.


Georgia and Armenia have open skies with the EU, so Ryanair could use that. Azerbaijan seems to be negotiating open skies with the EU. No doubt some routes might materialise, and in fact Ryanair apparently wanted to serve Kutaisi, Georgia: http://agenda.ge/news/52615/eng Wizz now serves 9 destinations in Western and Central and Eastern Europe from Kutaisi, with Luton coming.
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Tue Mar 07, 2017 9:20 am

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hynithuchi wrote:
I was told about 10 years ago by a member of GVA airport authorities that they had been approached by FR about basing 6-8 aircraft here. This was refused mainly because there were no overnight parking facilities at the time. I can immagine that with the limited runway and ramp capacity, they preferred network carriers operating to main airports rather than the FR system. Please remember, GVA has a single runway, limited ramp area and cannot extend the airport perimeter in any way. I could easily see some FR flights from other basis's operating into GVA but with the current political climate and ecological pressure ( at local level ), I have serious doubts GVA will accept any significant increase of LCC movements in the future. ZRH would be an alternative, but their fees are high and I doubt they are willing to attract FR by lowering their airport fees.


easyJet have continually added an extra aircraft almost every year since 2008/09. Swiss increased the number of based aircraft (and are now decreasing the number). I don't think a couple extra flights would make a difference. No politicians said anything about Vueling or Wizzair for example. In recent times there have been a number of new night stops in GVA (BA, AB for example). Apart for the morning and late afternoon and winter weekends, there's still capacity available.

Of course there is still some capacity available, but it is limited and mostly at times which airlines are not very interested in. IMO, FR flights would simply increase competition in an already rather saturated market, which would mean adding extra movements and nuisances until one of the competitors pulls out. What has the airport to gain from loosing an existing customer because of the arrival of FR ? Contrary to airports in other countries, GVA is a city airport densely populated all around and it's aim is to attract air services for which there is a demand and and serve the community, not to attract services which simply increase the existing capacity which has to be absorbed by promoting stag nights in BCN, AMS or HAM. For me, there is definitely no need for FR at GVA, unless of course they operate 1 or 2 flights from an other base and on a currently unserved route. Beside, I doubt that FR is willing to suddenly accept GVA airport fees after MOL complaining for years ( and recently again ) that Switzerland was no topic for discussion because of these ( in his opinion ) excessively high fees at ZRH and GVA.
 
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Tue Mar 07, 2017 11:18 am

How ridiculous can you sound? Ryanair'a business model is all about flying to unserved markets, and just because you personally don't see the need to fly from Geneva to Aarhus or Szeczin doesn't mean that other people should be forced to connect through FRA. Ryanair will do a lot more for opening up Geneva to new destinations and new markets than Lufthansa or Swiss will ever do.
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Tue Mar 07, 2017 12:03 pm

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Of course there is still some capacity available, but it is limited and mostly at times which airlines are not very interested in. IMO, FR flights would simply increase competition in an already rather saturated market, which would mean adding extra movements and nuisances until one of the competitors pulls out. What has the airport to gain from loosing an existing customer because of the arrival of FR ? Contrary to airports in other countries, GVA is a city airport densely populated all around and it's aim is to attract air services for which there is a demand and and serve the community, not to attract services which simply increase the existing capacity which has to be absorbed by promoting stag nights in BCN, AMS or HAM. For me, there is definitely no need for FR at GVA, unless of course they operate 1 or 2 flights from an other base and on a currently unserved route. Beside, I doubt that FR is willing to suddenly accept GVA airport fees after MOL complaining for years ( and recently again ) that Switzerland was no topic for discussion because of these ( in his opinion ) excessively high fees at ZRH and GVA.


This is the same stuff we have heard over and over. One could have said the same thing for BRU, FRA, AMS, FCO, BCN, MAD, MXP, LIS. All larger airports than GVA, where FR has successfully ventured into. You can add to the list airports of similar size to GVA where FR is also now either established or based: CGN, NCE, ATH, AGP, ALC, PRG, WAW, EDI. The list could go on...

FR has a track record now of making trunk business, leisure and VFR routes work. How many times have we heard that x airport is too busy for Ryanair, too costly, etc... The Ryanair of 5 years back is not the same as today's Ryanair. Ryanair's business does not revolve around stag nights.

Regarding GVA being full, Swiss slot coordination for the upcoming S17 season says otherwise: http://www.slotcoordination.ch/document ... s17srd.pdf

Also about FR chasing out other airlines, how is that a negative ? It's called competition and the name of the game for LCCs. If Ryanair is willing to pay the same fees as other airlines, there's no reason this should really be a problem for the airport operator. From your post you'd almost think the airport operator is the one who dictates where airlines should or shouldn't fly.
 
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Tue Mar 07, 2017 12:13 pm

Ryanair will also announce some more new routes from Amsterdam. Announcement to be made this afternoon.
 
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Tue Mar 07, 2017 12:22 pm

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How ridiculous can you sound? Ryanair'a business model is all about flying to unserved markets, and just because you personally don't see the need to fly from Geneva to Aarhus or Szeczin doesn't mean that other people should be forced to connect through FRA. Ryanair will do a lot more for opening up Geneva to new destinations and new markets than Lufthansa or Swiss will ever do.

Ryanair is also all about the Freddie Laker principle of stimulating traffic. Laker wanted to put cheap fares into the hands of regular people who would previously only fly charter or not at all.

If it's cheap, passenger numbers grow. New options can mean people move out of their comfort zone and try new (to them) destinations like the ones you mention above, or visit the Med more often. We have certainly seen this happening in the past 20-30 years in Europe.
 
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How ridiculous can you sound? Ryanair'a business model is all about flying to unserved markets, and just because you personally don't see the need to fly from Geneva to Aarhus or Szeczin doesn't mean that other people should be forced to connect through FRA. Ryanair will do a lot more for opening up Geneva to new destinations and new markets than Lufthansa or Swiss will ever do.

"ridiculous", ok, you obviously read my post through FR reading glasses. You seem to think that the more noisy aircraft are lining up for take-off, the better ( preferably FR ). I'm just telling you what the general feeling is at this airport and that doesn't include growth at all cost. In Geneva, a lot of people don't consider that a thriving airport contributes to their quality of life and they say it loud and clear. Last December ,they managed to collect enough signatures to launch a referendum which demands that the local government should have a strong control over the airport's development and that LCC should be restricted. Inviting more LCC to operate from GVA, and I'm not talking about carriers which are already present, and thus increase movements significantly, would antagonise these people a lot more, so whether you agree with me or not, our airport authorities have to tread carefully. These same people also elect our parliment and after all, the airport is owned by the Canton of Geneva and it's citizens.But just to prove that you could be right: FR used to operate a ski charter flight to GVA a few winters in the early nineties, pity you probably never saw it.
 
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Tue Mar 07, 2017 7:08 pm

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Ryanair will also announce some more new routes from Amsterdam. Announcement to be made this afternoon.


Turned out they didn't announce anything new out of AMS, only that they want to expand there but can't get sufficient slots. Only routes announced are out of EIN which is great of course but most of it was already known. Also said they want to fly to LEY but they need far more slots as the current planned capacity is a joke and I agree. But their interest in LEY shows that they're still interested in secondary airports and not shifting everything to the major airports.
 
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Re: Be big or go home: Ryanair adds more than 200 routes for W17

Tue Mar 07, 2017 7:12 pm

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How ridiculous can you sound? Ryanair'a business model is all about flying to unserved markets, and just because you personally don't see the need to fly from Geneva to Aarhus or Szeczin doesn't mean that other people should be forced to connect through FRA. Ryanair will do a lot more for opening up Geneva to new destinations and new markets than Lufthansa or Swiss will ever do.


I think the problem is that both ZRH and GVA are too close to the border and they can fly a whole lot cheaper from across the border. Only airport in Switzerland that might be suitable for them is BRN. Right in the center of the country so pax are not tempted to cross the border to catch a cheaper flight and small usually means cheap.
 
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Tue Mar 07, 2017 7:53 pm

AWACSooner wrote:
When did FR move into MXP?


They started operations on december 2015.

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After a few weeks of announcements, a total of 202 routes :o (144 new routes and 58 extended into winter season) for Ryanair.

When will Ryanair stop?


Where is Ryanair finding all the new pilots needed for the increased flying?

Air Berlin and Alitalia... :stirthepot:


Alitalia never flew B737!! (but I get your point..)
 
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Tue Mar 07, 2017 8:18 pm

Eindhoven wrote:
RyanairGuru wrote:
How ridiculous can you sound? Ryanair'a business model is all about flying to unserved markets, and just because you personally don't see the need to fly from Geneva to Aarhus or Szeczin doesn't mean that other people should be forced to connect through FRA. Ryanair will do a lot more for opening up Geneva to new destinations and new markets than Lufthansa or Swiss will ever do.


I think the problem is that both ZRH and GVA are too close to the border and they can fly a whole lot cheaper from across the border. Only airport in Switzerland that might be suitable for them is BRN. Right in the center of the country so pax are not tempted to cross the border to catch a cheaper flight and small usually means cheap.

I don't think that the border proximity of GVA and ZRH is that much of a problem, I frankly don't know too many people travelling either from LYS ( closest to GVA ) or STR/MUC ( closest to ZRH ). As for BRN, their runway is 1730 mtrs only, so I doubt they could accomodate B-737. The project of building a brandnew central airport southwest of BRN was scrapped in 1970 and nobody has ever talked about it since.
 
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FR is quickly expanding Naples, with 9 new routes from this coming winter: Bologna (as stated in this thread), Budapest, Brussels Charleroi, Dublin, Krakow, Malta, Porto, Thessaloniki and Wroclaw. I
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