Moderators: jsumali2, richierich, ua900, PanAm_DC10, hOMSaR

 
flyenthu
Topic Author
Posts: 590
Joined: Fri Dec 21, 2012 2:37 pm

How's IAH-MAN-SIN (SQ 51/52) doing?

Tue Mar 07, 2017 3:30 pm

Hi A.Netters:

Any idea how IAH-MAN-SIN (SQ 51/52) is doing? In the past, fares on IAH-SIN through DME used to be low, but I checked IAH-SIN now, through MAN, and the fares appear high than usual. Probably this route is doing better than through DME. I have been checking for late June/early July.

Thanks!

F/E
 
User001
Posts: 1131
Joined: Sun Jun 19, 2016 2:18 pm

Re: How's IAH-MAN-SIN (SQ 51/52) doing?

Tue Mar 07, 2017 4:03 pm

It is apparently now doing much better than the DME stop, the fact the A350 is now used will no doubt be helping the route too.
 
User avatar
yellowtail
Posts: 3938
Joined: Fri Jun 17, 2005 3:46 am

Re: How's IAH-MAN-SIN (SQ 51/52) doing?

Tue Mar 07, 2017 6:53 pm

flyenthu wrote:
Hi A.Netters:

Any idea how IAH-MAN-SIN (SQ 51/52) is doing? In the past, fares on IAH-SIN through DME used to be low, but I checked IAH-SIN now, through MAN, and the fares appear high than usual. Probably this route is doing better than through DME. I have been checking for late June/early July.

Thanks!

F/E


I'll let you know when we fly in in July. Paid $690USD RT IAH-MAN-IAH....and get to ride in a 350!
When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
 
factsonly
Posts: 3036
Joined: Mon Aug 06, 2012 3:08 pm

Re: How's IAH-MAN-SIN (SQ 51/52) doing?

Tue Mar 07, 2017 7:27 pm

Here are the passenger data for MAN-SIN-MAN for November 2016 - January 2017 as reported by CAA UK:

- NOVEMBER 2016 vs 2015 = MANCHESTER - SINGAPORE 4.758 vs 7.065 -33 %
- DECEMBER 2016 vs 2015 = MANCHESTER - SINGAPORE 6.376 vs 9.331 -32%
- JANUARY 2017 vs 2016 = MANCHESTER - SINGAPORE 6.702 vs 9.354 -28%

- NOVEMBER 2016 vs 2015 = MANCHESTER - HOUSTON 2.320 vs 0
- DECEMBER 2016 vs 2015 = MANCHESTER - HOUSTON 3.132 vs 0
- JANUARY 2017 vs 2016 = MANCHESTER - HOUSTON 3.404 vs 0
 
User001
Posts: 1131
Joined: Sun Jun 19, 2016 2:18 pm

Re: How's IAH-MAN-SIN (SQ 51/52) doing?

Tue Mar 07, 2017 7:34 pm

What's important to remember with those stats is that the service is now 5 weekly to SIN rather than daily.

The average load per flight has actually increased, so, it's just a case of balancing out and now growing.

What's also also worth remembering is cargo. SQ has always done well out of MAN and cargo can also make/break a flight.
 
DaufuskieGuy
Posts: 411
Joined: Tue Sep 23, 2008 6:35 pm

Re: How's IAH-MAN-SIN (SQ 51/52) doing?

Tue Mar 07, 2017 8:06 pm

maybe the timing was off but I'd think flying over MUC since UA dropped it would be better than MAN. ZRH might be better too, Star hub, wealthy country. I have a hard time envisioning anyone in IAH looking to visit MAN or vice versa, and I presume anyone looking to fly SIN IAH is going via NRT or SFO.
 
FSDan
Posts: 3348
Joined: Mon Jan 03, 2011 5:27 pm

Re: How's IAH-MAN-SIN (SQ 51/52) doing?

Tue Mar 07, 2017 8:10 pm

DaufuskieGuy wrote:
I'd think flying over MUC since UA dropped it would be better than MAN.


UA still flies IAH-MUC in the summer.
This is my signature until I think of a better one.
 
NichCage
Posts: 916
Joined: Wed Jun 22, 2016 6:43 pm

Re: How's IAH-MAN-SIN (SQ 51/52) doing?

Tue Mar 07, 2017 8:14 pm

Otherwise, moving SIN-DME-IAH to MAN is allowing the launch of SIN-DME-ARN. MUC is now a terminator service. Seem to be a good move for Singapore Airlines.
 
User001
Posts: 1131
Joined: Sun Jun 19, 2016 2:18 pm

Re: How's IAH-MAN-SIN (SQ 51/52) doing?

Tue Mar 07, 2017 8:34 pm

DaufuskieGuy wrote:
I have a hard time envisioning anyone in IAH looking to visit MAN or vice versa


Given around 3000 pax a month are using the flight between IAH and MANvv (if you look at the stats provide in a post above yours), clearly someone, in fact, many people are using the flight, and then there are those using connections MAN-XXX-IAHvv as they always have done, so I'm struggling why the notion of people flying the route gives you a hard time believing so?
 
DobboDobbo
Posts: 1158
Joined: Thu Mar 03, 2016 1:02 am

Re: How's IAH-MAN-SIN (SQ 51/52) doing?

Tue Mar 07, 2017 8:44 pm

NichCage wrote:
MUC is now a terminator service. Seem to be a good move for Singapore Airlines.


I've heard speculation (and it is just that -speculation) that SQ struggles a lot on its German routes. This includes SIN-MUC now the tag to MAN stopped. It has only recently changed so hopefully it has time to settle down.
 
EK006
Posts: 81
Joined: Sat Aug 23, 2014 8:34 am

Re: How's IAH-MAN-SIN (SQ 51/52) doing?

Tue Mar 07, 2017 9:15 pm

factsonly wrote:
Here are the passenger data for MAN-SIN-MAN for November 2016 - January 2017 as reported by CAA UK:

- NOVEMBER 2016 vs 2015 = MANCHESTER - SINGAPORE 4.758 vs 7.065 -33 %
- DECEMBER 2016 vs 2015 = MANCHESTER - SINGAPORE 6.376 vs 9.331 -32%
- JANUARY 2017 vs 2016 = MANCHESTER - SINGAPORE 6.702 vs 9.354 -28%

- NOVEMBER 2016 vs 2015 = MANCHESTER - HOUSTON 2.320 vs 0
- DECEMBER 2016 vs 2015 = MANCHESTER - HOUSTON 3.132 vs 0
- JANUARY 2017 vs 2016 = MANCHESTER - HOUSTON 3.404 vs 0



I did some calculations of MAN-IAH and the average load factor for each month were Nov: 40% Dec: 48% Jan: 50%
This is only part of the route but does help us see how this new segment is doing. However, load factor does not tell us how much money is being made and how the yield is.
 
User avatar
flyingclrs727
Posts: 2683
Joined: Thu Apr 19, 2007 7:44 am

Re: How's IAH-MAN-SIN (SQ 51/52) doing?

Tue Mar 07, 2017 9:24 pm

DobboDobbo wrote:
NichCage wrote:
MUC is now a terminator service. Seem to be a good move for Singapore Airlines.


I've heard speculation (and it is just that -speculation) that SQ struggles a lot on its German routes. This includes SIN-MUC now the tag to MAN stopped. It has only recently changed so hopefully it has time to settle down.


Why not fly SIN-MUC-BOS or SIN-MUC-ATL? Those are both non-Star Alliance hubs, so they wouldn't be stepping in UA's or LH's toes.
 
3AWM
Posts: 232
Joined: Sat Jul 23, 2016 1:01 pm

Re: How's IAH-MAN-SIN (SQ 51/52) doing?

Tue Mar 07, 2017 10:01 pm

flyingclrs727 wrote:
DobboDobbo wrote:
NichCage wrote:
MUC is now a terminator service. Seem to be a good move for Singapore Airlines.


I've heard speculation (and it is just that -speculation) that SQ struggles a lot on its German routes. This includes SIN-MUC now the tag to MAN stopped. It has only recently changed so hopefully it has time to settle down.


Why not fly SIN-MUC-BOS or SIN-MUC-ATL? Those are both non-Star Alliance hubs, so they wouldn't be stepping in UA's or LH's toes.


As SQ codeshare with jetBlue at JFK maybe they could do similar at BOS.

On the same basis how about FLL, lots of Caribbean connections plus connections to Avianca and Copa.
 
DobboDobbo
Posts: 1158
Joined: Thu Mar 03, 2016 1:02 am

Re: How's IAH-MAN-SIN (SQ 51/52) doing?

Tue Mar 07, 2017 10:05 pm

3AWM wrote:
On the same basis how about FLL, lots of Caribbean connections plus connections to Avianca and Copa.


SQ codeshare with VS at MAN to MCO amongst other US destinations. I presume they also codeshare with VS at LHR but don't know the details.
 
User avatar
TWA772LR
Posts: 7419
Joined: Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:12 am

Re: How's IAH-MAN-SIN (SQ 51/52) doing?

Tue Mar 07, 2017 10:12 pm

flyingclrs727 wrote:
DobboDobbo wrote:
NichCage wrote:
MUC is now a terminator service. Seem to be a good move for Singapore Airlines.


I've heard speculation (and it is just that -speculation) that SQ struggles a lot on its German routes. This includes SIN-MUC now the tag to MAN stopped. It has only recently changed so hopefully it has time to settle down.


Why not fly SIN-MUC-BOS or SIN-MUC-ATL? Those are both non-Star Alliance hubs, so they wouldn't be stepping in UA's or LH's toes.

Or MIA to stop the "When will MIA-Asia Happen?" threads...
When wasn't America great?


The thoughts and opinions shared under this username are mine and are not influenced by my employer.
 
DobboDobbo
Posts: 1158
Joined: Thu Mar 03, 2016 1:02 am

Re: How's IAH-MAN-SIN (SQ 51/52) doing?

Tue Mar 07, 2017 10:21 pm

When MAN gets USPC I wouldn't say no to further Asia-MAN-USA services...
 
LAXdude1023
Posts: 6216
Joined: Thu Sep 07, 2006 3:16 pm

Re: How's IAH-MAN-SIN (SQ 51/52) doing?

Tue Mar 07, 2017 11:28 pm

I think SQ is banking on getting some IAH-Scotland traffic which is a HUGE market because of oil. Honestly, they would have been better off flying IAH-EDI-SIN. That said, I think it will be ok for now. Not sure how sustainable it is long term.
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD BRING BACK THE PAYWALL!!!!
 
DobboDobbo
Posts: 1158
Joined: Thu Mar 03, 2016 1:02 am

Re: How's IAH-MAN-SIN (SQ 51/52) doing?

Tue Mar 07, 2017 11:41 pm

I'm sure you are right, they have targeted transfer traffic from Scotland (probably mostly Aberdeen). However, the overall market strength is not there for SQ in EDI/GLA/ABZ.

There are a lot of oil services businesses in and around the Manchester, Leeds, Liverpool area, as well as medical/pharma and shipping. It's doing better than expected (particularly MAN-SIN) so hopefully MAN-IAH will catch up over the coming months and years.
 
AngMoh
Posts: 1071
Joined: Fri Nov 04, 2011 5:03 am

Re: How's IAH-MAN-SIN (SQ 51/52) doing?

Wed Mar 08, 2017 12:28 am

factsonly wrote:
Here are the passenger data for MAN-SIN-MAN for November 2016 - January 2017 as reported by CAA UK:

- NOVEMBER 2016 vs 2015 = MANCHESTER - SINGAPORE 4.758 vs 7.065 -33 %
- DECEMBER 2016 vs 2015 = MANCHESTER - SINGAPORE 6.376 vs 9.331 -32%
- JANUARY 2017 vs 2016 = MANCHESTER - SINGAPORE 6.702 vs 9.354 -28%

- NOVEMBER 2016 vs 2015 = MANCHESTER - HOUSTON 2.320 vs 0
- DECEMBER 2016 vs 2015 = MANCHESTER - HOUSTON 3.132 vs 0
- JANUARY 2017 vs 2016 = MANCHESTER - HOUSTON 3.404 vs 0


Is this data correct?

Before SIN-MAN-IAH the SQ route to MAN was SIN-MUC-MAN. The bulk of the passengers were SIN-MUC. 9331 passengers for Dec 2015 is 301 per day - more than the capacity of the 77W going MAN-MUC-SIN. This this must be all routes, all airlines and no indication of this flight.

DobboDobbo wrote:
NichCage wrote:
MUC is now a terminator service. Seem to be a good move for Singapore Airlines.


I've heard speculation (and it is just that -speculation) that SQ struggles a lot on its German routes. This includes SIN-MUC now the tag to MAN stopped. It has only recently changed so hopefully it has time to settle down.


From my experience SIN-MUC does well - not easy to get seats and not cheap. Also, our travel agent is more and more using MUC as the transfer hub in Europe rather than FRA. So going to a place like MAD on Star Alliance from SIN routes through MUC now.

EK006 wrote:
factsonly wrote:
- JANUARY 2017 vs 2016 = MANCHESTER - HOUSTON 3.404 vs 0


I did some calculations of MAN-IAH and the average load factor for each month were Nov: 40% Dec: 48% Jan: 50%
This is only part of the route but does help us see how this new segment is doing. However, load factor does not tell us how much money is being made and how the yield is.
.

If the aircraft is a A350, it is around 155 pax/flight vs a capacity of 253 seats and a LF of around 61%.
727 732 733 734 735 73G 738 739/ER 742 743 744/M 752 753 762 772 77E 773 77W 788 A300 A310 A319 A320 A321 A332 A333 A343 A345 A346 A359 A35K A388 DC-9 DC-10 MD11 MD81 MD82 MD87 F70 ERJ145 E170 E175 E190 E195 ATR72 Q400 CRJ200 CRJ700 CRJ900 BAE146 RJ85
 
AAIL86
Posts: 466
Joined: Wed Feb 09, 2011 6:00 am

Re: How's IAH-MAN-SIN (SQ 51/52) doing?

Wed Mar 08, 2017 1:08 am

flyingclrs727 wrote:
DobboDobbo wrote:
NichCage wrote:
MUC is now a terminator service. Seem to be a good move for Singapore Airlines.


I've heard speculation (and it is just that -speculation) that SQ struggles a lot on its German routes. This includes SIN-MUC now the tag to MAN stopped. It has only recently changed so hopefully it has time to settle down.


Why not fly SIN-MUC-BOS or SIN-MUC-ATL? Those are both non-Star Alliance hubs, so they wouldn't be stepping in UA's or LH's toes.


IAH generates above average J class traffic due to oil and maritime traffic - which is the reason SQ has served IAH since forever.

I flew IAH-MAN out in late Jan and returned MAN-IAH 8 days later. On the outbound flight, Business and premium economy (I was in premium econ) were 100% booked and Y was at about 85%. Coming back, business and premium economy were about 95% full and economy looked about 80-85% full. That being said, I likely flew on busier days of the day, going out on Friday and returning on Sunday.
My friend who went with me paid USD $630 for his IAH-MAN-IAH ticket, so that tells you they aren't carrying high margin traffic in the back...
" Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness ... Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime. ” - Mark Twain, 1869
 
User avatar
Channex757
Posts: 2419
Joined: Sat Jun 18, 2016 7:07 am

Re: How's IAH-MAN-SIN (SQ 51/52) doing?

Wed Mar 08, 2017 1:15 am

AAIL86 wrote:

I flew IAH-MAN out in late Jan and returned MAN-IAH 8 days later. On the outbound flight, Business and premium economy (I was in premium econ) were 100% booked and Y was at about 85%. Coming back, business and premium economy were about 95% full and economy looked about 80-85% full. That being said, I likely flew on busier days of the day, going out on Friday and returning on Sunday.
My friend who went with me paid USD $630 for his IAH-MAN-IAH ticket, so that tells you they aren't carrying high margin traffic in the back...

It's the front that pays for the plane. Down the back, the A350 will be helping as the costs are much lower than a 77W.

Seems to me to be a good move, putting the right plane on the route. Up the front, I would expect a good few seats are on lucrative contracts too where the flight acts as a corporate shuttle and availability is guaranteed. The petrochemical industry (not just oil) is quite well represented in the MAN catchment area.
 
BestWestern
Posts: 8358
Joined: Fri Sep 08, 2000 8:46 pm

Re: How's IAH-MAN-SIN (SQ 51/52) doing?

Wed Mar 08, 2017 1:44 am

IAH DUB would have worked, but DUB SIN would be a battle for viability.
Greetings from Hong Kong.... a subsidiary of China Inc.
 
COflyerBOS
Posts: 176
Joined: Wed Jun 06, 2007 7:04 am

Re: How's IAH-MAN-SIN (SQ 51/52) doing?

Wed Mar 08, 2017 3:01 am

Flew this route over the New Year's. Met friends that live in Saltburn/Newcastle in Manchester to watch the Boro play Man U. LOVED having a non-stop. Also, as an 80s music nut, I loved Manchester. Have a trip planned this summer as a jumping off point for Newcastle and Scotland road trip. Hope it sticks because SQ > UA/BA/KL which were my old options.
 
DobboDobbo
Posts: 1158
Joined: Thu Mar 03, 2016 1:02 am

Re: How's IAH-MAN-SIN (SQ 51/52) doing?

Wed Mar 08, 2017 10:16 am

AngMoh wrote:

Is this data correct?

Before SIN-MAN-IAH the SQ route to MAN was SIN-MUC-MAN. The bulk of the passengers were SIN-MUC. 9331 passengers for Dec 2015 is 301 per day - more than the capacity of the 77W going MAN-MUC-SIN. This this must be all routes, all airlines and no indication of this flight.


The data for December 2015 shows that 301 passengers per day flew MAN-SIN (via MUC). As there are two sectors (inbound and outbound) that averages 150.5 per flight.

This does not include passengers flying the SIN-MUCvv or MUC-MANvv.

The 4 class B77W flying the route at the time had a capacity of 264 seats. This shows that MAN-SIN traffic accounted for 57% of the total seats on the MUC-SIN sector. Assuming 100% loads, MUC traffic accounted for the remaining 43% of seats.

Despite the stop at MUC, traffic from MAN made up the bulk of traffic in December 2015.
 
azz767
Posts: 151
Joined: Fri Jul 22, 2016 9:08 am

Re: How's IAH-MAN-SIN (SQ 51/52) doing?

Wed Mar 08, 2017 12:34 pm

DobboDobbo wrote:
I'm sure you are right, they have targeted transfer traffic from Scotland (probably mostly Aberdeen). However, the overall market strength is not there for SQ in EDI/GLA/ABZ.

There are a lot of oil services businesses in and around the Manchester, Leeds, Liverpool area, as well as medical/pharma and shipping. It's doing better than expected (particularly MAN-SIN) so hopefully MAN-IAH will catch up over the coming months and years.


All of which will be fed by Flybe/Loganair who i assume both will continue to codeshare with the international carriers when they end their partnership
 
KaiTak747
Posts: 347
Joined: Thu Aug 16, 2012 11:08 pm

Re: How's IAH-MAN-SIN (SQ 51/52) doing?

Wed Mar 08, 2017 1:30 pm

For those flying UK-IAH, flying SQ sure beats UA and BA!

It is of course difficult to quantify, but I'm sure SQ's stellar reputation, product and service will help the MAN-IAH flight.
 
b747400erf
Posts: 3172
Joined: Wed Jun 19, 2013 4:33 am

Re: How's IAH-MAN-SIN (SQ 51/52) doing?

Wed Mar 08, 2017 3:57 pm

User001 wrote:
What's important to remember with those stats is that the service is now 5 weekly to SIN rather than daily.

The average load per flight has actually increased, so, it's just a case of balancing out and now growing.

What's also also worth remembering is cargo. SQ has always done well out of MAN and cargo can also make/break a flight.


They have a dedicated freighter fleet but do not serve MAN. Hard to believe there is so much demand especially for a flight that is not daily. A pallet or 3? Maybe, but I doubt that is so profitable to turn bad pax yields flights into profitable.
 
User001
Posts: 1131
Joined: Sun Jun 19, 2016 2:18 pm

Re: How's IAH-MAN-SIN (SQ 51/52) doing?

Wed Mar 08, 2017 4:14 pm

b747400erf wrote:
User001 wrote:
What's important to remember with those stats is that the service is now 5 weekly to SIN rather than daily.

The average load per flight has actually increased, so, it's just a case of balancing out and now growing.

What's also also worth remembering is cargo. SQ has always done well out of MAN and cargo can also make/break a flight.


They have a dedicated freighter fleet but do not serve MAN. Hard to believe there is so much demand especially for a flight that is not daily. A pallet or 3? Maybe, but I doubt that is so profitable to turn bad pax yields flights into profitable.


It's easy to fall into the trap that dedicated cargo is the be all and end all for demand, when in fact belly cargo can be just as luctrative. Its not about quantity, but quality. Don't forget, cargo is price driven too, and if SQ are commanding a decent price, then cargo does well. MAN has handled 115,000 tonnes of cargo in the past year, and when you consider it only has a 2 weekly Lufthansa B777 and 5 weekly FedEx B757 and ATR, that means a heck of a lot is being carried in the belly of pax aircraft.

Just like people fall into the trap that high loads=successful flight, don't fall into the trap that lack of dedicated cargo flight=crap cargo demand....
 
tmoney
Posts: 93
Joined: Fri Nov 25, 2011 7:05 am

Re: How's IAH-MAN-SIN (SQ 51/52) doing?

Wed Mar 08, 2017 4:57 pm

Used to be my most used route. Would take SQ to fly back to RGN whenever.

However since the routing moved to the UK most people (who are not citizens/residents of 1st world countries) now require UK transit visas just to pass through MAN. This visa requirement is an institutional discrimination towards people of my kind. Have boycotted the route since. My money now goes to EY.

Maybe if we can fix that SQ could even go daily on that route with more repatriate pax.
Yokes > Side-sticks
Mingarladon heros. RGN.
 
User001
Posts: 1131
Joined: Sun Jun 19, 2016 2:18 pm

Re: How's IAH-MAN-SIN (SQ 51/52) doing?

Wed Mar 08, 2017 5:11 pm

I was under the impression that transit flights such as the SQ did not reqire the visa. UK gov website states you need the transit visa if you are arriving off one flight, but departing on another (such as BOM-LHR on AI, then LHR-JFK on BA or even BOM-LHR-JFK on BA as it is 2 completely different flight segments) whilst remaining airside. That implies to me that as you are arriving and departing on the same flight SIN-MAN-IAH on SQ, the visa is not required. I certainly haven't seen any for of 'immigration check' on the Pakistan Airlines (I've seen these passengers only having a 'transit card' for the purposes of getting all the pax back on same flight) or SQ flights at MAN?

Maybe someone could clarify?
 
DobboDobbo
Posts: 1158
Joined: Thu Mar 03, 2016 1:02 am

Re: How's IAH-MAN-SIN (SQ 51/52) doing?

Wed Mar 08, 2017 6:29 pm

azz767 wrote:
All of which will be fed by Flybe/Loganair who i assume both will continue to codeshare with the international carriers when they end their partnership


I assume so, certainly FlyBe will continue their codeshare arrangements with SQ. I hope Loganair can pick up one on similar terms.

One element of MAN's strategy is to act as the second hub for the rest of the UK. This means that cities that do not have a BA shuttle to LHR but are too far away from MAN to drive (eg Norwich, Southampton, Exeter, and the Scotish cities already mentioned) have services connecting onto the morning bank of long haul departures. There should be more to this (eg Cardiff, Bristol, Newcastle) but it is still developing.

As morning capacity has pretty much peaked, we may start to see more long haul services spread through the rest of the day.
 
DobboDobbo
Posts: 1158
Joined: Thu Mar 03, 2016 1:02 am

Re: How's IAH-MAN-SIN (SQ 51/52) doing?

Wed Mar 08, 2017 6:32 pm

tmoney wrote:
Used to be my most used route. Would take SQ to fly back to RGN whenever.

However since the routing moved to the UK most people (who are not citizens/residents of 1st world countries) now require UK transit visas just to pass through MAN. This visa requirement is an institutional discrimination towards people of my kind. Have boycotted the route since. My money now goes to EY.

Maybe if we can fix that SQ could even go daily on that route with more repatriate pax.


I find that staggering. I'd have thought a transit on the same aircraft and same flight number should be no problem in the UK.

Hope it gets resolved for you.
 
tmoney
Posts: 93
Joined: Fri Nov 25, 2011 7:05 am

Re: How's IAH-MAN-SIN (SQ 51/52) doing?

Sat Mar 11, 2017 4:32 am

User001 wrote:
I was under the impression that transit flights such as the SQ did not reqire the visa. UK gov website states you need the transit visa if you are arriving off one flight, but departing on another (such as BOM-LHR on AI, then LHR-JFK on BA or even BOM-LHR-JFK on BA as it is 2 completely different flight segments) whilst remaining airside. That implies to me that as you are arriving and departing on the same flight SIN-MAN-IAH on SQ, the visa is not required. I certainly haven't seen any for of 'immigration check' on the Pakistan Airlines (I've seen these passengers only having a 'transit card' for the purposes of getting all the pax back on same flight) or SQ flights at MAN?

Maybe someone could clarify?


Transiting anywhere in the UK requires a transit visa for me unless I hold a valid US/Canadian/EU-Schengen visa and my final destination is one of those countries. So when I go for a visa run back to RGN and I am returning to the US with a valid US visa thru a UK airport I am A-OK. However, when my visa has expired and I needed a new one (ie on my way back to RGN) I can't pass through the UK anymore.

For more information: http://www.gov.uk/transit-visa/overview

DobboDobbo wrote:
I find that staggering. I'd have thought a transit on the same aircraft and same flight number should be no problem in the UK.


Thanks.
Yokes > Side-sticks
Mingarladon heros. RGN.
 
slickvik
Posts: 76
Joined: Fri Mar 23, 2018 9:27 pm

Re: How's IAH-MAN-SIN (SQ 51/52) doing?

Tue Mar 27, 2018 7:00 pm

The seating in premium economy and business is getting mixed reviews, and economy seems to be best in the bulkhead rows. Service is great as per the usual for SQ.
 
Bricktop
Posts: 1512
Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2016 11:04 am

Re: How's IAH-MAN-SIN (SQ 51/52) doing?

Tue Mar 27, 2018 7:05 pm

Seems it would obviate the need for a direct SIN/IAH ULR flight.
 
jetero
Posts: 4673
Joined: Sat Oct 11, 2014 3:45 am

Re: How's IAH-MAN-SIN (SQ 51/52) doing?

Tue Mar 27, 2018 7:10 pm

Bricktop wrote:
Seems it would obviate the need for a direct SIN/IAH ULR flight.


"It"?
 
David_itl
Posts: 6436
Joined: Wed Jun 27, 2001 7:39 am

Re: How's IAH-MAN-SIN (SQ 51/52) doing?

Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:16 pm

Just looking in isolation at 2 months.. one "high season" and one "low season".

August 2017
SIN-MAN / MAN-SIN 7715 passengers 44 sectors 175.34 average passengers
MAN-IAH / IAH-MAN 4981 passengers 44 sectors 113.20 average passengers

February 2018
SIN-MAN / MAN-SIN 6300 passengers 44 sectors 157.50 average passengers
MAN-IAH / IAH-MAN 3149 passengers 44 sectors 81.23 average passengers

Based on how many passengers are doing SIN-MAN/MAN-SIN, it looks like there's no more than 95 passengers who could route SIN-IAH / IAH-SIN given that the A359 only holds 253 passengers.
 
SeaDoo
Posts: 314
Joined: Thu Sep 01, 2016 3:00 am

Re: How's IAH-MAN-SIN (SQ 51/52) doing?

Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:53 pm

DobboDobbo wrote:
When MAN gets USPC I wouldn't say no to further Asia-MAN-USA services...


What is USPC? Is that United States pre-clearance?
 
jetero
Posts: 4673
Joined: Sat Oct 11, 2014 3:45 am

Re: How's IAH-MAN-SIN (SQ 51/52) doing?

Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:03 pm

David_itl wrote:
Just looking in isolation at 2 months.. one "high season" and one "low season".

August 2017
SIN-MAN / MAN-SIN 7715 passengers 44 sectors 175.34 average passengers
MAN-IAH / IAH-MAN 4981 passengers 44 sectors 113.20 average passengers

February 2018
SIN-MAN / MAN-SIN 6300 passengers 44 sectors 157.50 average passengers
MAN-IAH / IAH-MAN 3149 passengers 44 sectors 81.23 average passengers

Based on how many passengers are doing SIN-MAN/MAN-SIN, it looks like there's no more than 95 passengers who could route SIN-IAH / IAH-SIN given that the A359 only holds 253 passengers.


HAS numbers here:

http://www.fly2houston.com/newsroom/med ... tatistics/

August 2017

3,844 pax to SIN
3,781 pax to MAN

7,625 total

If 44 is right, 173 avg pax/operation

68.4% LF

According to T100, 76.0% LF

February 2018 not yet available
 
DobboDobbo
Posts: 1158
Joined: Thu Mar 03, 2016 1:02 am

Re: How's IAH-MAN-SIN (SQ 51/52) doing?

Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:26 pm

SeaDoo wrote:
DobboDobbo wrote:
When MAN gets USPC I wouldn't say no to further Asia-MAN-USA services...


What is USPC? Is that United States pre-clearance?


Yep - that's the one. Albeit it seems that MAN has balked at the price of it and dropped it from its plans. If true, this would be very short sighted (like many management decisions of the past 10-15 years).
 
Bricktop
Posts: 1512
Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2016 11:04 am

Re: How's IAH-MAN-SIN (SQ 51/52) doing?

Tue Mar 27, 2018 11:30 pm

jetero wrote:
Bricktop wrote:
Seems it would obviate the need for a direct SIN/IAH ULR flight.


"It"?

A successful IAH-MAN-SIN flight mitigates against SQ going non-stop from SIN-IAH with their new A359 ULR's.
 
jetero
Posts: 4673
Joined: Sat Oct 11, 2014 3:45 am

Re: How's IAH-MAN-SIN (SQ 51/52) doing?

Wed Mar 28, 2018 12:16 am

Bricktop wrote:
jetero wrote:
Bricktop wrote:
Seems it would obviate the need for a direct SIN/IAH ULR flight.


"It"?

A successful IAH-MAN-SIN flight mitigates against SQ going non-stop from SIN-IAH with their new A359 ULR's.


That’s sort of backwards logic.

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: autopiloton, Baidu [Spider], behramjee, belfordrocks, Bing [Bot], BUFJACK10, concordeforever, dstc47, Flaps, FlyingHonu001, Google Adsense [Bot], joshuargh, MCTSET, Melb94, MrHMSH, oakleaf1, PM, SelandiaBaru, Skyblue39, umichman, VHZNE, YALAS and 165 guests

Popular Searches On Airliners.net

Top Photos of Last:   24 Hours  •  48 Hours  •  7 Days  •  30 Days  •  180 Days  •  365 Days  •  All Time

Military Aircraft Every type from fighters to helicopters from air forces around the globe

Classic Airliners Props and jets from the good old days

Flight Decks Views from inside the cockpit

Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos