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DWC welcomes its first scheduled A380 flight by Korean Air

Thu Mar 09, 2017 10:45 pm

As the titles says, Korean Air has launched a chartered A380 flight to the airport from Incheon International Airport, South Korea.

Why did the A380 land at DWC and not DXB? Was there any occasion?

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Re: DWC welcomes its first scheduled A380 flight by Korean Air

Thu Mar 09, 2017 10:49 pm

For them to describe it as both scheduled and chartered is a contradiction of terms, isn't it?
 
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Re: DWC welcomes its first scheduled A380 flight by Korean Air

Thu Mar 09, 2017 10:56 pm

There is such a thing as scheduled charters.
 
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Re: DWC welcomes its first scheduled A380 flight by Korean Air

Fri Mar 10, 2017 12:09 am

CanadaFair wrote:
There is such a thing as scheduled charters.

There is for a politician!

I had hoped of a regular flight. Cest la vie.

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Re: DWC welcomes its first scheduled A380 flight by Korean Air

Fri Mar 10, 2017 12:46 am

Seems kind of odd. I always thought DWC was mainly for cargo flights.
 
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Re: DWC welcomes its first scheduled A380 flight by Korean Air

Fri Mar 10, 2017 1:13 am

Damn, I got excited for a second!

What exactly was this charter for anyway?
 
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Re: DWC welcomes its first scheduled A380 flight by Korean Air

Fri Mar 10, 2017 1:24 am

I have heard this term before; what, exactly, is a scheduled charter? Thank you in advancd
 
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Re: DWC welcomes its first scheduled A380 flight by Korean Air

Fri Mar 10, 2017 2:01 am

UA777EWRTLV wrote:
I have heard this term before; what, exactly, is a scheduled charter? Thank you in advance

A good example of scheduled charters are regularly scheduled flights operated by tourism package companies, sometimes with owned airlines, you can only buy the tickets through their agents or directly from the companies. It can also include flights with some restrictions as to access to purchase and fly, like until recently between the USA and Cuba.
 
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Re: DWC welcomes its first scheduled A380 flight by Korean Air

Fri Mar 10, 2017 3:20 am

dubaiamman243 wrote:

Why did the A380 land at DWC and not DXB? Was there any occasion?


Probably because DXB is closed to charter and cargo flights for much of the day.

Unless operator holds previously awarded slots, such ops only allowed during specific short periods

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Re: DWC welcomes its first scheduled A380 flight by Korean Air

Fri Mar 10, 2017 5:27 am

ltbewr wrote:
UA777EWRTLV wrote:
I have heard this term before; what, exactly, is a scheduled charter? Thank you in advance

A good example of scheduled charters are regularly scheduled flights operated by tourism package companies, sometimes with owned airlines, you can only buy the tickets through their agents or directly from the companies. It can also include flights with some restrictions as to access to purchase and fly, like until recently between the USA and Cuba.

Indeed, another example are SQ's scheduled charters to CTS for about 2-3 weeks during the skiing season.
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Re: DWC welcomes its first scheduled A380 flight by Korean Air

Fri Mar 10, 2017 5:42 am

UA777EWRTLV wrote:
I have heard this term before; what, exactly, is a scheduled charter? Thank you in advancd

It's a charter operation that typically runs on a fixed schedule.
The term "charter" has more to do with how the tickets are sold and the agreement between the operator and the charting company, and little to do with the schedule under which the flight operates. There are also some specific regulatory differences.
 
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Re: DWC welcomes its first scheduled A380 flight by Korean Air

Fri Mar 10, 2017 5:53 am

Thank you for explaining.
 
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Re: DWC welcomes its first scheduled A380 flight by Korean Air

Fri Mar 10, 2017 6:01 am

DWC as a new airport with soft operations, it much need such charters flights so it give more confidence. I wouldn't be surprised if DWC took peanuts to bring this big airplane for publicity & media. Good luck for both DWC & KE
 
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Re: DWC welcomes its first scheduled A380 flight by Korean Air

Fri Mar 10, 2017 4:39 pm

So what was the charter for? since KE has regular flights to DXB with A332..
 
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Re: DWC welcomes its first scheduled A380 flight by Korean Air

Fri Mar 10, 2017 4:42 pm

CanadaFair wrote:
So what was the charter for? since KE has regular flights to DXB with A332..


As per gulfnews.com article: http://gulfnews.com/business/aviation/d ... -1.1991292

"The flight was the first in a series of scheduled charter flights the airline will operate to DWC in addition to their existing scheduled operations at Dubai International airport. The charter operations serve seasonal demand for Dubai cruise operators."
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Re: DWC welcomes its first scheduled A380 flight by Korean Air

Fri Mar 10, 2017 6:34 pm

dubaiamman243 wrote:
CanadaFair wrote:
So what was the charter for? since KE has regular flights to DXB with A332..


As per gulfnews.com article: http://gulfnews.com/business/aviation/d ... -1.1991292

"The flight was the first in a series of scheduled charter flights the airline will operate to DWC in addition to their existing scheduled operations at Dubai International airport. The charter operations serve seasonal demand for Dubai cruise operators."

Now that is interesting. A well timed charter synced to a cruise makes sense. New cruise passengers arrive in time for buses to the ship. The same buses will have brought passengers from the ship for the return flight.


IMHO Dubai is benefitting from being the first in the region to really cater to being the home port of cruise ships. However, it takes an ability to surge air capacity on embarcation days as a ship discharges and boards thousands. The flights need to be in a narrow time slot too.

DWC certainly has the capacity to surge for these cruises.

How many cruise ships home port in Dubai during peak season? What is the most popular cruise? (Including India?)

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Re: DWC welcomes its first scheduled A380 flight by Korean Air

Sat Mar 11, 2017 5:00 am

lightsaber wrote:
dubaiamman243 wrote:
CanadaFair wrote:
So what was the charter for? since KE has regular flights to DXB with A332..


As per gulfnews.com article: http://gulfnews.com/business/aviation/d ... -1.1991292

"The flight was the first in a series of scheduled charter flights the airline will operate to DWC in addition to their existing scheduled operations at Dubai International airport. The charter operations serve seasonal demand for Dubai cruise operators."

Now that is interesting. A well timed charter synced to a cruise makes sense. New cruise passengers arrive in time for buses to the ship. The same buses will have brought passengers from the ship for the return flight.


IMHO Dubai is benefitting from being the first in the region to really cater to being the home port of cruise ships. However, it takes an ability to surge air capacity on embarcation days as a ship discharges and boards thousands. The flights need to be in a narrow time slot too.

DWC certainly has the capacity to surge for these cruises.

How many cruise ships home port in Dubai during peak season? What is the most popular cruise? (Including India?)

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Dubai is very very new to the cruise industry as anything other than a port-of-call (primarily on repositioning and around-the-world cruises), so it's not looking like there are many ships actually homeported there right now.

From what I can tell, Royal Caribbean has Vision of the Seas homeported out of Dubai running 7-day cruises to Oman and Abu Dhabi and that only appears to be happening through April. It looks like MSC on the MSC Splendida and Costa on the Costa Mediterranea are running similar routes next winter beginning in Dec '17-March '18. Otherwise, it looks like most of the cruises on offer from Dubai are segments of round-the-world/Asia-Pacific to Europe repositioning cruises being individually sold (they often break them up into smaller segments in addition to selling the entire voyage).

Part of the issue I see with Dubai would be that any cruise from there is going to need to be very long. There aren't a ton of destinations in the gulf, although Abu Dhabi and Oman are excellent starts, perhaps they could add Kuwait, Bahrain, Doha, but Iran is still a no-go for many of these companies considering most of the cruise lines are US-based or have US parent companies (the exception being MSC). Thinking about a round-trip to India, which would be an amazing cruise, would likely be two or three weeks long, which makes it much less likely to happen considering that puts it out of the reach of most working people and really means only retirees or independently wealthy folks can patronize such a cruise. So it's still what I would call a "growth market" for cruising. I think as time goes on and more ports in the region are developed it could be a really great spot for cruises, but as it stands it's still in its infancy as a homeport.

That said, it's refreshing to see new destinations and regions being explored by the cruise lines as they have been very conservative for the past decade or so sticking to the Caribbean, Alaska, Mediterranean, and a couple other go-to markets without diversifying much beyond those.
 
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Re: DWC welcomes its first scheduled A380 flight by Korean Air

Sat Mar 11, 2017 7:11 am

Coal wrote:
ltbewr wrote:
UA777EWRTLV wrote:
I have heard this term before; what, exactly, is a scheduled charter? Thank you in advance

A good example of scheduled charters are regularly scheduled flights operated by tourism package companies, sometimes with owned airlines, you can only buy the tickets through their agents or directly from the companies. It can also include flights with some restrictions as to access to purchase and fly, like until recently between the USA and Cuba.

Indeed, another example are SQ's scheduled charters to CTS for about 2-3 weeks during the skiing season.

IIRC, SQ also had schedule charters to another destination in Korea (Busan?).

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