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jetmatt777
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Re: More new AS Routes!

Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:06 am

I was hoping to see OKC get some love since the SEA flight is consistently always full.

OKC is already very well served to the west coast so I'm not really shocked.
 
shaneam12
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Re: More new AS Routes!

Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:24 am

blhp68 wrote:
Just to chime in from purely an MCI perspective on the "gaps" with scheduling

SFO- MCI 0950-1530
MCI - SFO 1455-1705

SAN - MCI 1840 - 2355
MCI - SAN 0630 - 0750

Both are operated by horizon air. The San Diego legs make sense on aircraft turn. The gap to me is where the aircraft to service the 1455 departure to SFO from MCI is coming from?


I noticed the same thing with BWI too. Here is the schedule for Monday, June 12th, 2017:

LAX-BWI 5:10AM B739
SAN-BWI 6:45AM B739
SEA-BWI 3:40PM B739
PDX-BWI 5:39PM B738

BWI-SAN 6:15AM B739
BWI-LAX 8:00AM B739
BWI-PDX 4:50PM B738
BWI-SEA 4:58PM B739

The PDX plane sits on the ground almost 24 hours before heading back which doesn't seem right.
 
PlanesNTrains
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Re: More new AS Routes!

Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:31 am

knope2001 wrote:
COKMCI wrote:
blhp68 wrote:
Just to chime in from purely an MCI perspective on the "gaps" with scheduling

SFO- MCI 0950-1530
MCI - SFO 1455-1705

SAN - MCI 1840 - 2355
MCI - SAN 0630 - 0750

Both are operated by horizon air. The San Diego legs make sense on aircraft turn. The gap to me is where the aircraft to service the 1455 departure to SFO from MCI is coming from?


MSP - MCI?



Another possibility....flights to/from LGA and DCA could explain the schedule gaps.


Ya, I had suggested earlier that maybe the LGA/DCA slots move to MSP for example, but I really don't know how that works. I'm assuming they can move them anywhere they'd like within perimeter?
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SANFan
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Re: More new AS Routes!

Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:53 am

shaneam12 wrote:
I noticed the same thing with BWI too. Here is the schedule for Monday, June 12th, 2017:

LAX-BWI 5:10AM B739
SAN-BWI 6:45AM B739
SEA-BWI 3:40PM B739
PDX-BWI 5:39PM B738

BWI-SAN 6:15AM B739
BWI-LAX 8:00AM B739
BWI-PDX 4:50PM B738
BWI-SEA 4:58PM B739

The PDX plane sits on the ground almost 24 hours before heading back which doesn't seem right.

Correction: the BWI-SEA flt departs at 6:40p, arr SEA 9:41pm. Now the BWI turn-sched works fine.

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knope2001
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Re: More new AS Routes!

Fri Mar 17, 2017 11:35 am

PlanesNTrains wrote:
knope2001 wrote:
COKMCI wrote:

MSP - MCI?



Another possibility....flights to/from LGA and DCA could explain the schedule gaps.


Ya, I had suggested earlier that maybe the LGA/DCA slots move to MSP for example, but I really don't know how that works. I'm assuming they can move them anywhere they'd like within perimeter?


Yes --the slots Virgin is using can be used anywhere within perimeter.

It's quite possible...perhaps highly likely...that simple schedule adjustments not yet loaded will fix the illogical flow issue. But airlines sometimes do tip their hands to upcoming new flights about to be launched with gaps like these.
 
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Re: More new AS Routes!

Fri Mar 17, 2017 5:13 pm

knope2001 wrote:
PlanesNTrains wrote:
Ya, I had suggested earlier that maybe the LGA/DCA slots move to MSP for example, but I really don't know how that works. I'm assuming they can move them anywhere they'd like within perimeter?

Yes --the slots Virgin is using can be used anywhere within perimeter.
It's quite possible...perhaps highly likely...that simple schedule adjustments not yet loaded will fix the illogical flow issue. But airlines sometimes do tip their hands to upcoming new flights about to be launched with gaps like these.

Definitely a possibility, which I've also posted earlier in this or other threads. These gaps didn't used to happen very often with AS but with the high frequency of adds, and all the expansion happening now, we are seeing them much more often.

I also think the airline is prone to group their announcements by the west coast stations involved lately -- announcing 4 new PDX routes on 1/11, 10 new SFO flights + 3 for SJC on 3/9, and the 6 new ones for SAN the other day -- so that can cause temporary gaps as well. (That's what's happening here I believe.)

We also have kind of a unique situation here in that the expansion by AAG involves focus cities/hubs on one end being connected with outstations with very limited service. Therefore the gaps show up rather easily. For example, MSP and MCI have just a couple of flights from SEA and maybe PDX. Then one or two more flights are added to, say, SFO and SAN. They have yet to announce another added flight, say from LA, and voila, a very obvious gap shows up for those searching!

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