ariis
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Poland's new central airport - decision imminent

Tue Mar 14, 2017 4:01 pm

Hi there,

Thought I'd post since I did not find any discussion on this recently.

So, in coming days Polish government is expected to decide on the construction of a new 50M international airport in an undecided location somewhere in central Poland.

More here:
http://thenews.pl/1/12/Artykul/297591,G ... ort-report

While WAW certainly has serious limitations, it will never be beaten on the convenience side. On the other hand WMI is already planning a big expansion. So even considering LO's dynamic expansion plans for the future, is such a clean-sheet huge investment totally justified? Let's share thoughts.

Thanks!
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Re: Poland's new central airport - decision imminent

Tue Mar 14, 2017 5:14 pm

They could hire some Spanish consultants, they have experience with building unused airports in the middle of nowhere.
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Re: Poland's new central airport - decision imminent

Tue Mar 14, 2017 5:19 pm

I'll take 'Things that will never happen' for 200, Alex
 
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Re: Poland's new central airport - decision imminent

Tue Mar 14, 2017 7:55 pm

Some bad ideas just keep coming back. Airlines and passengers will only use the distant mega-airport if there is no alternative. As long as Chopin is operational, the new airport will fail. Look at Mirabel, look at Ciudad Real, there are others too. I think Chopin may need to figure out how to grow and I think there are plenty of options to consider. Even if they can't get a full sized second runway built, look at Gatwick with 43M passengers/yr.
 
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Re: Poland's new central airport - decision imminent

Tue Mar 14, 2017 8:50 pm

Nothing more than a vanity project. It'll only work if they shut down WAW, which doesn't make sense given all the recent investment that went there - new access road (S79), train station, terminal improvements, etc. The money should be used instead to further accelerate road building and railroad modernization throughout the country.

Also, even though LO has been doing well recently, the airport's success will be tied to the airline's success. Opening such a huge airport will likely invite LCCs like Ryanair and Wizzair, which would heavily undermine LO.
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Re: Poland's new central airport - decision imminent

Tue Mar 14, 2017 8:58 pm

ariis wrote:
Hi there,
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Thought I'd post since I did not find any discussion on this recently.

So, in coming days Polish government is expected to decide on the construction of a new 50M international airport in an undecided location somewhere in central Poland.

More here:
http://thenews.pl/1/12/Artykul/297591,G ... ort-report

While WAW certainly has serious limitations, it will never be beaten on the convenience side. On the other hand WMI is already planning a big expansion. So even considering LO's dynamic expansion plans for the future, is such a clean-sheet huge investment totally justified? Let's share thoughts.

Thanks!


Any details on the planned WMI expansion?
 
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Re: Poland's new central airport - decision imminent

Wed Mar 15, 2017 2:43 pm

LTenEleven wrote:
Any details on the planned WMI expansion?


This might be the reading - mainly a terminal upgrade to grow the capacity from current 3.5 to 5M:

https://www.moodiedavittreport.com/wars ... expansion/
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Re: Poland's new central airport - decision imminent

Wed Mar 15, 2017 4:03 pm

Here's an idea. Build it,alongside a super high speed rail from Berlin. That's probably go into service before BER opens, if it ever does.
 
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Re: Poland's new central airport - decision imminent

Thu Mar 16, 2017 2:01 pm

Surely expanding Lublin is the better option in the decades to come, once Chopin reaches its ultimate capacity. That's a long way off though.
 
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Re: Poland's new central airport - decision imminent

Thu Mar 16, 2017 2:33 pm

I suppose by saying Central Poland, it means somewhere between Warsaw and Poznan? It would work only if Poland closes WAW and provides seamless inter-modal transfer at this new airport. If there is a high speed rail network that connects the airport to Poznan, Warsaw, Krakow and Lodz, and also allow passengers to check in their luggage and get their boarding pass at the downtown train station of these respective cities, it may not be a bad idea.
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Re: Poland's new central airport - decision imminent

Thu Mar 16, 2017 5:50 pm

I sure hope the EU will not put one Euro towards this !
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Re: Poland's new central airport - decision imminent

Thu Mar 16, 2017 7:38 pm

TheLark wrote:
They could hire some Spanish consultants, they have experience with building unused airports in the middle of nowhere.

Or go big and hire Mirabel consultants!

What a waste of funds...

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Re: Poland's new central airport - decision imminent

Thu Mar 16, 2017 7:55 pm

There's really no need for such an airport, Poland has enough airports and together they got plenty of capacity. Besides, the center of Poland is pretty much in the middle of nowhere.

Warsaw Chopin is getting pretty full indeed, but instead of building a whole new airport why not go to a dual airport system for Warsaw together with Modlin. Sure adding more capacity at Modlin and possibly a faster connection to the city would be way cheaper than building a whole new airport somewhere far off.
 
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Re: Poland's new central airport - decision imminent

Thu Mar 16, 2017 8:08 pm

Poland's population is large indeed but the problem is it spreads out on a large area. WAW which is the country's center and most populated city in Poland has a pretty small metropoline of 3M people. Plus Poland's economy is not that thriving so I dont see the need for this monstrous airport. Does WAW have any room to expand?
 
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Re: Poland's new central airport - decision imminent

Thu Mar 16, 2017 8:36 pm

nadavatar64 wrote:
Does WAW have any room to expand?


A little, but not much. However Warsaw does have a secondary airport, Modlin, with plenty of room for expansion. Problem is that Modlin lies further away from the city, so it's less attractive for legacy airlines. Currently only Ryanair uses Modlin.

Warsaw is not exactly in the middle of Poland, it's east of it. The proposed airport is right in the middle of the country, west of Warsaw, in an almost unpopulated area. That means it has the disadvantages of Modlin times three. The airport can have all the capacity it can possibly want, but nobody will use it.
 
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Re: Poland's new central airport - decision imminent

Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:53 pm

PatrickZ80 wrote:
nadavatar64 wrote:
Does WAW have any room to expand?


A little, but not much. However Warsaw does have a secondary airport, Modlin, with plenty of room for expansion. Problem is that Modlin lies further away from the city, so it's less attractive for legacy airlines. Currently only Ryanair uses Modlin.

Warsaw is not exactly in the middle of Poland, it's east of it. The proposed airport is right in the middle of the country, west of Warsaw, in an almost unpopulated area. That means it has the disadvantages of Modlin times three. The airport can have all the capacity it can possibly want, but nobody will use it.


I totally agree with you. While Warsaw and Lodz are pretty big cities, 50 million pax capacity is just too much. And while the airport is located between the two cities and not very close to each one of them, its a big disadvantage! Those poor Polish taxpayers...

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