It seems that this topic is full of people that cannot see anything other than cheap tickets=cramped seats/extremely basic service or expensive tickets=all service you can get.
This is stupid.
What's stupid is you referencing an era in which airlines lost money hand over fist and required tax-payer bailouts to survive in order to make your point. You just disproved yourself.
A while ago, with de-regulation, fares got cheaper and more people could fly for a kind of decent service.
What happened nowadays is that the collateral effect of de-regulation now implies and rules above all: squeeze the passenger as much as you can for a service as basic and crowded as possible.
Actually, you can still get the decent 90s-era service for a 90s-era price in the form of economy plus. So again, what exactly is it that you're complaining about? Nothing has been taken from you, rather airlines have added a new product in addition to serve a new market.
I love that you say this:
We do need some regulation surely.
Not what we used to have before but some sort of minimum to protect the passenger
...and then propose not only exactly what regulation was, but going even farther, because government wasn't involved in dictating seating requirements to airlines even in the 60s:
AND we need fares to be controlled to a level where Airlines cannot exploit passengers on the back of these regulations.
Some say here that people that cannot/would not be able to cough up should end up in Greyhound. Those are the ones that one day may end up there in future when their so great jobs disappear.
Greyhound is not that bad (though nowhere as good as a Brazilian Sleeper Coach, for example) but should they get more passengers
The point is, who the h$%l are you that you think you can tell people who want a super-cheap fare for lower-frills that they cannot fly and must take Greyhound.Your whole rant smacks both of elitism and wanting the government to give you something for free.
My problem is that.... yes, I am willing to pay a bit more to meet the standards I remember from the not so distant past.... but those options are slowly going away
Are they though? Using your example, do you know how much it used to cost on average a couple decades ago to fly to Japan? About the cost of an economy plus ticket on any of the number of carriers that can take you to Japan. So it sounds like the result here is that, if in fact an economy plus ticket is out of your price range today, it's not very likely you would have been able to go to Japan at all under the pricing of a couple decades ago.
You are absolute out of order. What an idiot!!!
If the airlines were REALLY making losses as such they would have been out of business.
...which is exactly why they all declared bankruptcy and received tax payer bailouts. There's only one apparent "idiot" here who clearly doesn't know his airline history (hint: not me).
As for the other points, it is worth wasting my time replying?
Must be code for, "I don't have an intelligent, cogent response to your points."
Premium Economy = cheap and accessible? Have you ever considered why the airlines that so much advertise them do have only a couple of rows only available? Do you really fly? or just sit on blogs your whole life?
I didn't say premium economy was "cheap and accessible," go back and re-read my comments. What I said was that premium economy is available for about the same price as the average ticket price of economy in the 90s.
The Greyhound example, if you cared to actually read all blogs, was actually a comment from another blogger; not mine.
...and? Your comment that "who cares if they end up on Greyhound..." deserved calling out. If you're not going to defend comments you make here when called out by others and resort to ad hominem attacks, perhaps it's best you refrain from commenting in the future?
I do.... I remember flying in the mid 90s from IAD to MAD via AMS on KLM for USD 250 round trip.... plus my point was a different one. I meant that I had the option to fly Cathay this year (and paid more for it but less than economy plus), but beginning next year they will also go 10-abreast. So yes, the options are slowly disappearing. Thats what I meant.
I'm just not seeing that. To Asia, you have JAL, DL, CI, BR, KE and OZ that don't do 10 abreast. And you must have had a REALLY good travel agent for a $250 r/t ticket from the East Coast through Europe. The taxes on that routing alone amount to nearly $250. A median roundtrip ticket to Asia in 90s you'd be looking at $700-$800 easy, equal to about $1100-$1300 today. I'm seeing offerings for nonstop premium economy tickets on DL for ~$1,000 and one-stop on CI for ~$1,500.