Hi

I need to know the Star alliance livery rules.

If we apply to TAP Portugal: At the end of 2017, TAP will have:

09 ATR72
09 E190
04 E195
21 A319
20 A320
04 A321
17 A330
04 A340

TOTAL: 88

Now, TAP has 2 planes with Star Alliance livery: A320 CS-TNP and A332 CS-TOH.

With 88 planes, Does TAP have to paint another plane?

United currently has 11 planes in the star alliance livery:

1 757-200 N14120
5 777-200ER N78017, N76021, N77022, N218UA, N794UA
1 767-400ER N76055
1 767-300 N653UA
2 737-800 N26210, N76516
1 737-700 N13720

Air India has 3 *A livery Aircraft. 1* B787, B77W, A320. Or 3/106 (excluding subsidiaries)

Comprehensive list:

http://www.lockonaviation.net/html/flee ... ortname=sa

marei wrote:

Hi

I need to know the Star alliance livery rules.

There was a pdf of the requirements floating around on the web a few years ago. From memory, I believe the rule was 10% of each fleet type that flies internationally is supposed to be in the alliance livery. Of course, if you were at 8% and painting another would put you at 15% I think they round up and 8% is sufficient.

Rdh3e wrote:

marei wrote:

Hi

I need to know the Star alliance livery rules.

There was a pdf of the requirements floating around on the web a few years ago. From memory, I believe the rule was 10% of each fleet type that flies internationally is supposed to be in the alliance livery. Of course, if you were at 8% and painting another would put you at 15% I think they round up and 8% is sufficient.

And lets be honest, it depends on the airline. Nobody at Star Alliance is going to say anything and kick out LH or UA for example if they were not following the livery requirements.

LH probably has way more ac in *A livery than they should since they are using the livery without any LH titles for their CityLine planes in order to avoid collective bargaining agreements that are triggered by displaying Lufty titles.

Anyone know the rules around the colour scheme's for the tails, if any?

novak500 wrote:

Anyone know the rules around the colour scheme's for the tails, if any?

I believe there is a percentage amount of the fleet that has to be in Star Alliance colors.

note that there are zero UA/NH/AC 787 (or LH/SQ A380 for that matter) in the *A livery.

i believe AI has the only 787 in the livery, although NH, UA and AC all have more 787. UA has no plans for a 787 to have the livery.

CONTACREW wrote:

United currently has 11 planes in the star alliance livery:

1 757-200 N14120
5 777-200ER N78017, N76021, N77022, N218UA, N794UA
1 767-400ER N76055
1 767-300 N653UA
2 737-800 N26210, N76516
1 737-700 N13720

Do you know whether the UA 77W in Star colors is still coming?

intotheair wrote:

CONTACREW wrote:

United currently has 11 planes in the star alliance livery:

1 757-200 N14120
5 777-200ER N78017, N76021, N77022, N218UA, N794UA
1 767-400ER N76055
1 767-300 N653UA
2 737-800 N26210, N76516
1 737-700 N13720

Do you know whether the UA 77W in Star colors is still coming?

AFAIK yes its still coming.

NZ has a combined fleet of 100 but has just one aircraft ZK-OJH.. the jeet fleet is about 65..

marei wrote:

Hi

I need to know the Star alliance livery rules.

If we apply to TAP Portugal: At the end of 2017, TAP will have:

09 ATR72
09 E190
04 E195
21 A319
20 A320
04 A321
17 A330
04 A340

TOTAL: 88

Now, TAP has 2 planes with Star Alliance livery: A320 CS-TNP and A332 CS-TOH.

With 88 planes, Does TAP have to paint another plane?

Just to correct the number of airplanes. At the end of 2017, TAP will have:
20 A319: CS-TTQ is supposed to leave the fleet during the year
19 A320: CS-TQD is supposed to leave the fleet during the year

And i suppose the 9th ATR72, OY-JZU, is a tempororary lease while CS-DJF is repaired, so at the end of 2017, the number of ATR72 shall be back to 8 airplanes.

With this, the total number of aircraft for TAP Portugal group at the end of 2017 shall be 85.

As far as I remember from my SAS days, around 7-8 percent of the fleet must be in STAR ALLIANCE colours.
SAS does only , at the moment have 3, but other airlines like , LH has a lot more..

I see several different percentages used as "mandatory" and all of them are well in excess of the actual percentage of NZ (1% Fleet)
In fact OJH was delivered in 09/2004 and they joined Star Alliance 03 may 1999 so they flew for over 5 years without any painted.... are we really sure that there is any mandatory amount across members on the membership contract? Or is it negotiated individually by airline ?

CA have 3. B-6091, B-6093 and B-2032.

Brussels Airlines has one A319 in Star Alliance livery: OO-SSC

LX has 3 A320's , 1 RJ100. I could Imagine that there could be a 773.

I often see a UA 772 or a 737-400 at EWR...the general take-away is that out of dozens and dozens of United tails at EWR there is often just 1 with the *A tail in amongst them all.
It's ironic this thread popped up, I was very recently just starring at a Star Alliance tail at EWR and trying to decide if I like the logo or not.

I often wonder what the average passenger thinks when they see it, and perhaps notice they are boarding it. I wonder if the wonder if they are on a UNITED airplane or not, or if they really "get" the intent: an ad for Star Alliance if it communicates to them that Star Alliance is a strong alliance and benefits them. Perhaps FF who have high status on a *A airline.

It would seem to me that there should be many more aircraft in *A livery to get the point across. (of course, it's less of a big deal today vs the early days when there were just 5/6 mega carriers in the alliance). But, on a side note, I wish Star would be more creative and come up with more benefits that can really be felt beyond just flying Adria or EVA AIR (etc) and putting those miles on your MileagePlus account. (e.g; the use of UA Global upgrades on LH, I wish that were true for more partners)

Maybe its just me, but I think the livery is just ugly. The font on the fuselage is to thin in relation to plane size and so blah. No life, nothing that draws eye appeal to it. Just put a sticker by the door and leave the airlines original livery intact.

VC10er wrote:

I often see a UA 772 or a 737-400 at EWR...

Maybe you mean 767-400?

RIGHT, a 767-400.

727200: and what you see today is the thicker font...the original was much lighter (which in the abstract was a nicer font) but disappeared on the side of a 777 or 747.

Rdh3e wrote:

marei wrote:

Hi

I need to know the Star alliance livery rules.

There was a pdf of the requirements floating around on the web a few years ago. From memory, I believe the rule was 10% of each fleet type that flies internationally is supposed to be in the alliance livery. Of course, if you were at 8% and painting another would put you at 15% I think they round up and 8% is sufficient.

I think Star Alliance took it off line and put in an on-line learning course for all Star Alliance members' employees. Short excrept here: http://www.star-allianceemployees.com/u ... ALLfin.pdf

They also create a separate Brand Book, however not sure if random public can access it by requesting for log in ID: https://portal.staralliance.com/brandbook/login

I think the percentage was 10% of the airlines international fleet. Thats why so few of the united and NZ fleet have the StarAlliance Livery as most of their fleets are for domestic use.

Harshil9 wrote:

I think the percentage was 10% of the airlines international fleet. Thats why so few of the united and NZ fleet have the StarAlliance Livery as most of their fleets are for domestic use.

Also NZ is known to play rouge to *A rules, and get then bent and changed around what they want. They we're the airline that happend to get *A to change the *G baggage rules, so an *G on an bag less fare doesn't get an bag.

VC10er wrote:

I often see a UA 772 or a 737-400 at EWR...the general take-away is that out of dozens and dozens of United tails at EWR there is often just 1 with the *A tail in amongst them all.
It's ironic this thread popped up, I was very recently just starring at a Star Alliance tail at EWR and trying to decide if I like the logo or not.

Probably would be a bit wrong right now on the Star Fleet you are seeing through EWR right now. Currently the 2 737-800s, the 737-700 777-200s (017, 021, 022), the 767-300, the 767-400, and the 757-200 rotate through EWR. That's a total of 9 aircraft. The following fleet types come through EWR: A319, A320, B737, B738, B739, B752, B763, B764, B772. That makes a total of 669 aircraft. So 1.3% of the mainline aircraft that can potentially be seen at EWR are in the star scheme. I can add in the two pmUA 772s and that brings you to 1.6%.

United currently does not have any 753s, 788s, or 789s rotating through EWR.

Harshil9 wrote:

I think the percentage was 10% of the airlines international fleet. Thats why so few of the united and NZ fleet have the StarAlliance Livery as most of their fleets are for domestic use.

Then EVA Air would not be compliant. It only has ~1-2% of its fleet in *A colors. B-16701 and B-16206 are the only ones in *A livery and EVAs whole fleet is international.

Frankly, I think the STAR ALLIANCE livery needs to be redesigned. The "Star" symbol is "ok" IMHO, but the typography and holistic appearance of a *A aircraft is not as premium looking as it ought to be...IMHO.

VC10er wrote:

I often wonder what the average passenger thinks when they see it, and perhaps notice they are boarding it. I wonder if the wonder if they are on a UNITED airplane or not, or if they really "get" the intent: an ad for Star Alliance if it communicates to them that Star Alliance is a strong alliance and benefits them. Perhaps FF who have high status on a *A airline.

I remember reading some time ago that an elderly man refused to get on a US Airways flight because the plane was in Star colors and didn't say "US Airways" on the side. He didn't feel comfortable getting on a plane that didn't look like it was operated by US, and that's what he paid for. Supposedly he was reaccommodated on a later flight. Obviously this is a more extreme case, and it could be embellished in the typical FlyerTalk fashion, but it is amusing to think about.

EDIT: Ah yes! Here's the thread: viewtopic.php?t=456373

I would be willing to bet that if you were to survey the flying public (i.e. non-elites, non-A-net posters, non-FlyerTalkers), name recognition of the big three alliances themselves probably isn't very high at all. But I think most fliers who travel on overseas tickets every now and then have at least some rudimentary understanding that their home airline of choice (e.g. UA) has partnerships with other airlines to get them to destinations their home airline doesn't serve and that they can earn miles for it.

The alliances have facilitated more codesharing across the world, yes, and they have made it easier for regular passengers to build more complex global itineraries and to receive FFP benefits, but I think we've reached the point that alliances just aren't as powerful as they used to be in light of more closer JV/ATI partnerships.

As for the brand itself, I actually really like Star's look. The black and white looks very powerful and striking, and I think it was smart of Pentagram to stick to all neutral colors for a brand that has to wrap around 20+ other airline brands. I really like the SkyTeam mark too, but the livery just looks wrong to me, and oneworld's just looks half-assed.

Most member airlines won't reach 10% of their international fleet.

Minimums aside, given LH's abuse of the *A livery to get around the rule that aircraft in mainline colors can only be operated by mainline crew, perhaps there should also be a max percentage.

*A should focus more on aligning the carriers themselves. Right now, it basically acts as an industry association, one of three major ones in the world. Some member airlines are incredibly aligned while others are practically so much on their own that they might as well join elsewhere unnoticed.