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Flight Numbers flying the same route for a a decade or more

Fri Mar 31, 2017 1:36 am

Past or present, what routes have seen the same flight numbers for over a decade or more. AA Flight 1 has been flying JFK-LAX for over 55 years and has seen how many aircraft types? DC? 707, 747?, DC10, 762, 763? 321T. I believe some of their other transcon flights have been flying for decades too.

At one point flight 1 continued LAX-HNL. AA flight 1 was my first AA flight LAX-HNL in 1988 on a DC10. It originated in JFK where it was also a DC10, but they had a Hawaii configuration with only 3 rows of F, and IIRC JFK-LAX was already 3 class DC10s by then.

Eastern Airlines flew the same flight numbers into CLT from the 1960s to 1980s (and would have likely continued til the end of EA in 1991 had CLT not been de-hubbed in 1986). They would make minor tweaks sometimes, for example the regional origination or destination cities might change on the shorter segments.
 
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Re: Flight Numbers flying the same route for a a decade or more

Fri Mar 31, 2017 1:51 am

WN flies Flight #1 from DAL-HOU. The first route the airline ever offered, and the same flight number ever since. So thats like 45-50 years?
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Re: Flight Numbers flying the same route for a a decade or more

Fri Mar 31, 2017 1:54 am

Southwest Airlines used to assign odd flight numbers between 1 and 63 to flights from DAL to HOU, and even flight numbers between 2 and 64 on HOU to DAL flights, even though some of the flight numbers between 1 and 64 are no longer used on flights between DAL and HOU. Some of the numbers between 1 and 64 are still assigned to flights between DAL and HOU, and some of the nonstop flights between DAL and HOU now have flight numbers that are outside of the 1 to 64 range.
 
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Re: Flight Numbers flying the same route for a a decade or more

Fri Mar 31, 2017 1:57 am

How about SQ's flight numbers 1 and 2 for the SIN-HKG-SFO service?
 
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Re: Flight Numbers flying the same route for a a decade or more

Fri Mar 31, 2017 2:02 am

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Re: Flight Numbers flying the same route for a a decade or more

Fri Mar 31, 2017 2:03 am

afcjets wrote:
Past or present, what routes have seen the same flight numbers for over a decade or more. AA Flight 1 has been flying JFK-LAX for over 55 years and has seen how many aircraft types? DC? 707, 747?, DC10, 762, 763? 321T. I believe some of their other transcon flights have been flying for decades too.


Among U.S. airlines, I think the clear winner likely is AA1 - which has been operating JFK/IDL-LAX continuously since the 1950s. After that, I think the next oldest may indeed be WN1 on DAL-HOU - continuously on that route since 1971.
 
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Re: Flight Numbers flying the same route for a a decade or more

Fri Mar 31, 2017 2:19 am

Emirates very first flight to Karachi, EK600, is still in use for the route.
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Re: Flight Numbers flying the same route for a a decade or more

Fri Mar 31, 2017 2:25 am

There are definitely some holdovers ex-PHX from the HP days. I think PHX-MKE/CMH/MEX have been pretty constant and I am sure there are far more markets but I know those three have not changed.

QX2027 has been SEA-LWS (with and without the PUW stop) for as far back as I can remember all the way back into the late 90s. It used to be the 10:40 pm departure out of SEA but looks like it has now switched to the mid-day departure recently. I'm not sure if there were any hiatuses or gaps in there.
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Re: Flight Numbers flying the same route for a a decade or more

Fri Mar 31, 2017 2:28 am

Midwest Express (and later Midwest) had some long-lived flight numbers as well; as far as I can tell, flights 52/53 and 58/59 were used on the OMA-DCA-OMA route from their launch in 1995 all the way up to the end of mainline service in late 2008. They were even retained for several months after Republic (then just operating as Midwest Connect) took over, albeit with a 20 added to the front.

A few others I can think of:
AA70/71 (DFW-FRA-DFW)- in use since at least May 1988 if not earlier (flight 70 suffered a takeoff incident on May 21 that year- that's the only way I can determine this), still in use in 1999 when my family flew it both ways, and still in use now.

DL116/117 (ATL-STR-ATL)- pictures in the database suggest it was in use in the early '90s already (I don't know exactly when the route started, but I would imagine it was sometime around then), and it's still in use now.
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Re: Flight Numbers flying the same route for a a decade or more

Fri Mar 31, 2017 2:32 am

Southwest Airlines SWA711
San Antonio - Las Vegas. Has operated continuously since the 80s.

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Re: Flight Numbers flying the same route for a a decade or more

Fri Mar 31, 2017 2:42 am

What about UA from ORD-HNL? Wasn't that flight 1 at one point? That seems like a market that should have the same flight number since it's launch but I don't think it is.
 
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Re: Flight Numbers flying the same route for a a decade or more

Fri Mar 31, 2017 2:48 am

AA 50/51 has been DFW-London (originally Gatwick, now Heathrow) since they took the route over from Braniff. That was, what 1980-81 therebouts? I flew it in 1982 on the AA 747-100.
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Re: Flight Numbers flying the same route for a a decade or more

Fri Mar 31, 2017 2:52 am

Wingtips56 wrote:
AA 50/51 has been DFW-London (originally Gatwick, now Heathrow) since they took the route over from Braniff. That was, what 1980-81 therebouts? I flew it in 1982 on the AA 747-100.


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Re: Flight Numbers flying the same route for a a decade or more

Fri Mar 31, 2017 3:39 am

Curiousflyer wrote:
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AF 002/003 and AF 006/007 go back to 1953. AF has been using a variety of numbers between 001 and 079 for flights between Paris and New York since the 50s.
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Re: Flight Numbers flying the same route for a a decade or more

Fri Mar 31, 2017 4:12 am

AA16 SFO-JFK is going on at least 35+ years. Flew it first in 1981 on the classic DC-10-10.
 
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Re: Flight Numbers flying the same route for a a decade or more

Fri Mar 31, 2017 4:32 am

Hawaiian has used the same flight numbers for much of the west coast-hawaii schedule since the mid 80s. LAX 1/2, SFO 11/12, SEA 21/22 and PDX 25/26 are still going strong. PPG 465/466 and PPT 481/482 have been flying for decades as well.
 
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Re: Flight Numbers flying the same route for a a decade or more

Fri Mar 31, 2017 4:49 am

UA863 SFO-SYD, UA895 ORD-HKG,
UA881 ORD-NRT, UA837 SFO-NRT stick out to me as far back as I remember. Roughly the 1995-96 time frame for most of them.
 
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Re: Flight Numbers flying the same route for a a decade or more

Fri Mar 31, 2017 4:59 am

I've been working AS flight 81 SEA-ANC for over 30 years. AS's flights up and down the SE Alaska coast have remained constant for over 30 years as well...61/66 and 65/64 both make stops in JNU and various smaller stations between ANC and SEA. They're AS's famous 'milk runs'. If you want to fly on a combi 737 (mixed cargo and passengers) you should hurry...they'll all be gone by the end of the year.
 
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Re: Flight Numbers flying the same route for a a decade or more

Fri Mar 31, 2017 5:06 am

NZ1 and NZ2 LHR-LAX-AKL since 1982. (Actually TE1 and TE2 when it started.)
 
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Re: Flight Numbers flying the same route for a a decade or more

Fri Mar 31, 2017 5:23 am

American Airlines Flight 1 has been NYC - LA since since at least 1937 first flown by DC-3s with multiple stops across the country. The first non-stop between IDL-LAX begin with piston powered DC-7s in 1953. Flight 1 has crashed at least three times with no survivors, the last being March 1, 1962 when a Boeing 707 suffered a control failure and rolled inverted, crashing into Jamaica Bay. It was on an episode of "Mad Men".

If another airline can claim 80 years on the same route and flight number I'd be impressed.

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Re: Flight Numbers flying the same route for a a decade or more

Fri Mar 31, 2017 8:08 am

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American Airlines Flight 1 has been NYC - LA since since at least 1937 first flown by DC-3s with multiple stops across the country. The first non-stop between IDL-LAX begin with piston powered DC-7s in 1953. Flight 1 has crashed at least three times with no survivors, the last being March 1, 1962 when a Boeing 707 suffered a control failure and rolled inverted, crashing into Jamaica Bay. It was on an episode of "Mad Men".

If another airline can claim 80 years on the same route and flight number I'd be impressed.

Russ Farris


Well how about the worlds oldest airline KLM? Their first flight operated London (Croydon) - Amsterdam on 17th May 1920 in a leased AT&T DH-16. Looking at KLM's current flight schedules they have a flight KL1000 which operates LHR-AMS (currently using 737), so wonder if this is the legitimate cousin of that first schedule?
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Re: Flight Numbers flying the same route for a a decade or more

Fri Mar 31, 2017 8:38 am

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Re: Flight Numbers flying the same route for a a decade or more

Fri Mar 31, 2017 9:05 am

QF1 has always been SYD-LHR, but the midway point has changed over the years. (currently DXB)
 
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Re: Flight Numbers flying the same route for a a decade or more

Fri Mar 31, 2017 9:21 am

AZA 076-077-078: FCO-BCN for 15 years at least
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Re: Flight Numbers flying the same route for a a decade or more

Fri Mar 31, 2017 9:29 am

I'm pretty sure AA54/55 ORD-MAN-ORD has had the same flight numbers for about 15-20 years.
 
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Re: Flight Numbers flying the same route for a a decade or more

Fri Mar 31, 2017 11:06 am

QF3/4 has for longest time been some variation of SYD-(NAN)-HNL-(SFO)-(YVR). It hasn't operated east of HNL for about 30 years (although maybe it when QF briefly flew to YVR around 99/00). For the sake of nostalgia I'd like to see SYD-SFO-SYD renumbered QF3/4 with SYD-HNL-SYD going QF73/74.

Also QF11/12 has operated between SYD/LAX for at least 40 years before the SP arrived it operated SYD-PPT-LAX.
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Re: Flight Numbers flying the same route for a a decade or more

Fri Mar 31, 2017 11:25 am

User001 wrote:
I'm pretty sure AA54/55 ORD-MAN-ORD has had the same flight numbers for about 15-20 years.
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Believe them to be the orginal flight number from 1986
 
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Re: Flight Numbers flying the same route for a a decade or more

Fri Mar 31, 2017 11:30 am

If we count BA1/2 as LON-JFK rather than LHR-JFK, it's certainly got a good history.
 
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Re: Flight Numbers flying the same route for a a decade or more

Fri Mar 31, 2017 11:40 am

UltimateDelta wrote:
DL116/117 (ATL-STR-ATL)- pictures in the database suggest it was in use in the early '90s already (I don't know exactly when the route started, but I would imagine it was sometime around then), and it's still in use now.


There are some other Delta flights in the 100s with similar history. I think ATL-SCL has always been 146 and 147. It has certainly had those numbers for more than a decade.
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Re: Flight Numbers flying the same route for a a decade or more

Fri Mar 31, 2017 11:50 am

I believe all of Iberia's Air Shuttle flights (MAD-BCN) have always had their flight numbers as the departure time of the flight.

For example, the 8:00 flight MAD-BCN is IB800. The 8:30 flight is IB830 - and that logic is applied all day.
MAD-BCN flights are even numbers, BCN-MAD are odd numbers (IB801, IB831, and so on).

Any other airline out there that use flight departure times as flight numbers?
 
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Re: Flight Numbers flying the same route for a a decade or more

Fri Mar 31, 2017 12:23 pm

Eastern Airlines ran flight 553 from Albany to Atlanta every day for as long as they served that route.

It ended with their bankruptcy.
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Re: Flight Numbers flying the same route for a a decade or more

Fri Mar 31, 2017 12:30 pm

Concerning EA 553 that I just posted. I remembered the only time I was on 553 didn't work out very well. I noticed as we boarded using
the plane's stairs that fuel was running, not dripping !,from beneath the 727's middle engine.Eventually they cancelled the flight (I wonder why !)
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Re: Flight Numbers flying the same route for a a decade or more

Fri Mar 31, 2017 12:31 pm

maxpower1954 wrote:
American Airlines Flight 1 has been NYC - LA since since at least 1937 first flown by DC-3s with multiple stops across the country. The first non-stop between IDL-LAX begin with piston powered DC-7s in 1953. Flight 1 has crashed at least three times with no survivors, the last being March 1, 1962 when a Boeing 707 suffered a control failure and rolled inverted, crashing into Jamaica Bay. It was on an episode of "Mad Men".

If another airline can claim 80 years on the same route and flight number I'd be impressed.


Indeed - I agree that among U.S. carriers, AA1 is almost certainly the longest continuously-running flight on a single route - dating to the late 1950s from IDL/JFK, and from even earlier at other NYC airports. More broadly, though, I actually suspect AA would have many of the oldest flight numbers among U.S. carriers because, through countless mergers, acquisitions, network and hub changes, etc. AA's transcon/international flight numbering has remained notably consistent - in its inconsistency. Unlike, say, pre-merger United, which by the late 1990s had a very geographically-logical longhaul flight number system (i.e., most Asia was 800s, Latin America 900s, etc.), AA's flight scheduling has pretty much always been "all over the map" (both literally and figuratively). So AA1/2/3/4 is between JFK and LAX, but 5/8 have been DFW-HNL for three decades and 6/7 DFW-OGG for almost two decades. AA60/61 has been DFW-NRT for three decades, and AA62/63 MIA-CDG for a similar duration. And on and on. It has loosened up a bit since the USAirways merger, but even still, AA's flight numbers have, in many instances, never changed - so in additional to AA1, aforementioned AA50 has been DFW-LON (first LGW then moved to LHR) since 1982, AA44/45/48/49 have been JFK/DFW-PAR (first ORY than moved to CDG) since the mid 1980s, AA100 has been JFK-LHR since 1991, etc.
 
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Re: Flight Numbers flying the same route for a a decade or more

Fri Mar 31, 2017 12:35 pm

Wingtips56 wrote:
AA 50/51 has been DFW-London (originally Gatwick, now Heathrow) since they took the route over from Braniff. That was, what 1980-81 therebouts? I flew it in 1982 on the AA 747-100.


Braniff shut down in May, 1982. American started service on the DFW-LGW route the next day.

While we're talking long-lived flight numbers, though, Braniff's Flight 501/502 operated Dallas-HNL-Dallas (from route start in 1969 through shutdown in 1982), and out of Love Field up until DFW opened (1/1974), then DFW.
 
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Re: Flight Numbers flying the same route for a a decade or more

Fri Mar 31, 2017 1:09 pm

I think it's pretty much a general rule that the long standing overseas flights by the US3 have their original flight numbers, which means there are hundreds of such flights going back 20-50 years in this category. To a lesser extent transcon flights have the same number IINM.
 
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Re: Flight Numbers flying the same route for a a decade or more

Fri Mar 31, 2017 1:14 pm

seat55a wrote:
NZ1 and NZ2 LHR-LAX-AKL since 1982. (Actually TE1 and TE2 when it started.)


It was origionally LGW-LAX-AKL from 1982 untill 1993 when Air New Zealand moved to LHR.
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Re: Flight Numbers flying the same route for a a decade or more

Fri Mar 31, 2017 1:21 pm

I don't know about the return flight number, but the morning departure from Boston to Los Angeles on AA was AA 11 from the early 1960's to 9/11. Still around for a long time, though.
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Re: Flight Numbers flying the same route for a a decade or more

Fri Mar 31, 2017 1:52 pm

Air Canada still has some holdovers from the time when it's YYZ-originating transborder flights were numbered 7XX. YYZ-LGA, YYZ-EWR, YYZ-LAX and YYZ-SFO have all had these flight numbers since at least the 1980s. TPA and MIA had maintained them as well up to the point those routes were Rouged. The 5XX BOS and ORD flights have maintained the same flight numbers for several years as well.
 
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Re: Flight Numbers flying the same route for a a decade or more

Fri Mar 31, 2017 2:36 pm

BA 218 DEN-LHR
BA 219 LHR-DEN

Those have been around for at least 10 years now, as I remember flying that route for the first time 10 years ago.

I think when it was LGW-DEN/DEN-LGW it was 2018 and 2019, but I think it dropped the 0 when it moved to Heathrow in 2003.
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Re: Flight Numbers flying the same route for a a decade or more

Fri Mar 31, 2017 3:04 pm

I think all the BA low numbered flights from BA 5 onwards have been in use for the same city pairs for many years including

BA 5/6 LHR-NRT
BA 7/8 LHR to Tokyo - previously NRT now HND
BA 9/10 LHR-BKK, though until relatively recently it continued onto SYD but no longer
BA 15/16 LHR-SIN-SYD
BA 27/8 LHR-HKG

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Re: Flight Numbers flying the same route for a a decade or more

Fri Mar 31, 2017 3:38 pm

Not exactly a huge flight but Delta's second flight of the morning from Chicago O'Hare to Atlanta has been flight 1477 for about that long and maybe longer. I have no way of telling.
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Re: Flight Numbers flying the same route for a a decade or more

Fri Mar 31, 2017 4:17 pm

I neglected to mention that the 4XX Rapidair flight numbers also date from at least the 1980s.

shoelessjoe wrote:
Air Canada still has some holdovers from the time when it's YYZ-originating transborder flights were numbered 7XX. YYZ-LGA, YYZ-EWR, YYZ-LAX and YYZ-SFO have all had these flight numbers since at least the 1980s. TPA and MIA had maintained them as well up to the point those routes were Rouged. The 5XX BOS and ORD flights have maintained the same flight numbers for several years as well.
 
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Re: Flight Numbers on same route for decades

Fri Mar 31, 2017 6:48 pm

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Among U.S. airlines, I think the clear winner likely is AA1 - which has been operating JFK/IDL-LAX continuously since the 1950s.

AA2 beats AA1-- the latter disappeared for a couple months when the 707 started.

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