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Cathay to begin 3-4-3 on 773s and 77Ws

Fri Mar 31, 2017 9:14 am

3-4-3 and 32in pitch to be rolled out 2018-2020 and will allow for a 4% increase in capacity.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... ty-435746/
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Re: Cathay to begin 3-4-3 on 773s and 77Ws

Fri Mar 31, 2017 9:38 am

Not that big of a deal really. The A350s will eventually take over the bulk over the long haul routes and with the 777Xs coming along around 2021, there will be few long haul routes with the 10 abreast config by the time the retrofits are beginning to show up across the network. I like the decision, it'll help them better compete with the Asian LCCs by allowing the ability to drop Y fares on those regional routes. I know the 777X 10 abreast seats aren't as wide as 9 abreast 77W but they will still be comfortable.
 
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Fri Mar 31, 2017 9:39 am

Looks like Singapore Airlines is one of the few left that have committed to remaining 9-abreast in Economy.
 
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Fri Mar 31, 2017 9:40 am

infinit wrote:
Looks like Singapore Airlines is one of the few left that have committed to remaining 9-abreast in Economy.


For now, you can also be certain their 777Xs will be 10 abreast.
 
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Re: Cathay to begin 3-4-3 on 773s and 77Ws

Fri Mar 31, 2017 10:54 am

What I've ben wondering for a while now: the 777 was developed with a standard 3-3-3 and the 787 with a standard 2-4-2 configuration in mind. But at some point most airlines, even most of the so called "premium" carriers tend to switch to 3-4-3 on the T7 and 3-3-3 on the Dreamliner. On the other hand the A330 and A340 where developed for a standard 2-4-2 layout, and besides some lowcost-carriers (i.e. Air Asia X, Air Transat), most airlines kept the 2-4-2, instead of going to 3-3-3. How come?
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Fri Mar 31, 2017 11:13 am

conaly wrote:
What I've ben wondering for a while now: the 777 was developed with a standard 3-3-3 and the 787 with a standard 2-4-2 configuration in mind. But at some point most airlines, even most of the so called "premium" carriers tend to switch to 3-4-3 on the T7 and 3-3-3 on the Dreamliner. On the other hand the A330 and A340 where developed for a standard 2-4-2 layout, and besides some lowcost-carriers (i.e. Air Asia X, Air Transat), most airlines kept the 2-4-2, instead of going to 3-3-3. How come?

3-3-3 on an A330/A340 is tighter than 9 abreast on a 787 or 10 abreast on a 777 so airlines are a bit less willing to make their seats that narrow.
 
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Re: Cathay to begin 3-4-3 on 773s and 77Ws

Fri Mar 31, 2017 11:22 am

So who is still going to operate 9 abreast 777s? In Hong Kong area, only Air China comes to my mind...
 
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Fri Mar 31, 2017 11:25 am

Loew wrote:
So who is still going to operate 9 abreast 777s? In Hong Kong area, only Air China comes to my mind...

Both JAL and ANA still have 2-4-3 on their 77Ws.
 
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Fri Mar 31, 2017 11:44 am

AFAIK Turkish Airlines, Singapore Airlines and Korean Air are still on 3-3-3. I think EVA also still has some 9 abreast T7 left.
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Fri Mar 31, 2017 12:00 pm

BA, TG and LY also operate 9-abreast 777s out of HKG. UA 77Es are still 9-abreast.
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Fri Mar 31, 2017 12:11 pm

Softaero wrote:
BA, TG and LY also operate 9-abreast 777s out of HKG. UA 77Es are still 9-abreast.


UA birds are being converted to 10 abreast I'm pretty sure.
 
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Fri Mar 31, 2017 12:14 pm

ikolkyo wrote:
Softaero wrote:
BA, TG and LY also operate 9-abreast 777s out of HKG. UA 77Es are still 9-abreast.


UA birds are being converted to 10 abreast I'm pretty sure.

True. But currently they are still 9 abreast on routes out of HKG.
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Fri Mar 31, 2017 1:41 pm

Loew wrote:
So who is still going to operate 9 abreast 777s? In Hong Kong area, only Air China comes to my mind...


Air China has practically ended all 777 service to HKG, most services operated by the 772 A models in the past have been replaced by A333 with occasional A332s.
As far as I know, NH, BA, BR, JL, KE, SQ, TG, TK and OZ still operate 9Y 777s into HKG, though of course some of them are due to switch in the future.
 
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Fri Mar 31, 2017 1:42 pm

Softaero wrote:
BA, TG and LY also operate 9-abreast 777s out of HKG. UA 77Es are still 9-abreast.


BA will commence refitting 25 of its 777s to 10 abreast from winter onwards.
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Fri Mar 31, 2017 2:23 pm

Loew wrote:
So who is still going to operate 9 abreast 777s? In Hong Kong area, only Air China comes to my mind...


Air China, China Southern, Vietnam Airlines, Thai Airways, Korean Air, Asiana, JAL.
 
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Fri Mar 31, 2017 2:24 pm

So you think that CX's interest in converting the cross seat section of its regional B777s from 9 to 10 is unprecedentedly scandalous? Did you know that CX actually did just that with its much narrower Lockheed Tristars?

More on Cathay Pacific Tristars:
http://www.chingchic.com/cathay-pacific ... l1001.html
http://www.aviationexplorer.com/airline ... ations.jpg

By the way, Lockheed Tristar was originally conceived with a standard 2-4-2 cross section!
 
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Fri Mar 31, 2017 2:27 pm

Softaero wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:
Softaero wrote:
BA, TG and LY also operate 9-abreast 777s out of HKG. UA 77Es are still 9-abreast.


UA birds are being converted to 10 abreast I'm pretty sure.

True. But currently they are still 9 abreast on routes out of HKG.



Not since the 77W started to operate SFO-HKG.
 
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Fri Mar 31, 2017 2:31 pm

emoh wrote:
So you think that CX's interest in converting the cross seat section of its regional B777s from 9 to 10 is unprecedentedly scandalous? Did you know that CX actually did just that with its much narrower Lockheed Tristars?

More on Cathay Pacific Tristars:
http://www.chingchic.com/cathay-pacific ... l1001.html
http://www.aviationexplorer.com/airline ... ations.jpg

By the way, Lockheed Tristar was originally conceived with a standard 2-4-2 cross section!


Yes but wasn't there also a storage module of some kind right at the centerline in that config?
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Fri Mar 31, 2017 2:42 pm

Garuda is 9 abreast on their 77Ws
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Fri Mar 31, 2017 2:55 pm

AI too remain 9-abreast on their 77Ls and 77Ws. And of course, the 787s.
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Fri Mar 31, 2017 4:26 pm

varsity wrote:
emoh wrote:
So you think that CX's interest in converting the cross seat section of its regional B777s from 9 to 10 is unprecedentedly scandalous? Did you know that CX actually did just that with its much narrower Lockheed Tristars?

More on Cathay Pacific Tristars:
http://www.chingchic.com/cathay-pacific ... l1001.html
http://www.aviationexplorer.com/airline ... ations.jpg

By the way, Lockheed Tristar was originally conceived with a standard 2-4-2 cross section!


Yes but wasn't there also a storage module of some kind right at the centerline in that config?


No, there were just bulky seat set dividers.
 
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Fri Mar 31, 2017 4:32 pm

tonystan wrote:
Softaero wrote:
BA, TG and LY also operate 9-abreast 777s out of HKG. UA 77Es are still 9-abreast.


BA will commence refitting 25 of its 777s to 10 abreast from winter onwards.

BA operates the 77W (and A380) to HKG, which aren't being reconfigured.
chrisa330 wrote:
Softaero wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:

UA birds are being converted to 10 abreast I'm pretty sure.

True. But currently they are still 9 abreast on routes out of HKG.



Not since the 77W started to operate SFO-HKG.

77Es (not 77W) to HKG are still 9 abreast for now.
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Fri Mar 31, 2017 4:40 pm

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Looks like Singapore Airlines is one of the few left that have committed to remaining 9-abreast in Economy.


Correct me if i'm wrong, but Singapore Airlines is the only airline that has recently ordered brand new 77Ws with a 9 across configuration, and they launched new seats with the new 77Ws, and are refurbishing the older 77Ws with these new seats in the same 9 across config. They had the chance to go 10 across but decided against it.
 
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Fri Mar 31, 2017 4:47 pm

JA786A wrote:
Loew wrote:
So who is still going to operate 9 abreast 777s? In Hong Kong area, only Air China comes to my mind...

Both JAL and ANA still have 2-4-3 on their 77Ws.


...and ANA also has 77W in a 3-4-3 configuration.
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Fri Mar 31, 2017 4:56 pm

cheeken wrote:
infinit wrote:
Looks like Singapore Airlines is one of the few left that have committed to remaining 9-abreast in Economy.


Correct me if i'm wrong, but Singapore Airlines is the only airline that has recently ordered brand new 77Ws with a 9 across configuration, and they launched new seats with the new 77Ws, and are refurbishing the older 77Ws with these new seats in the same 9 across config. They had the chance to go 10 across but decided against it.


Saudi, Kuwait and Turkish have all recently taken delivery of new 777s in 9 abreast although it seems like most airlines have switched to 10 abreast,
 
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Fri Mar 31, 2017 5:26 pm

chrisa330 wrote:
Softaero wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:

UA birds are being converted to 10 abreast I'm pretty sure.

True. But currently they are still 9 abreast on routes out of HKG.



Not since the 77W started to operate SFO-HKG.



Correct, UA 869 is 10 across. That seat map looks strange with the Polaris design for the front seats.
 
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Fri Mar 31, 2017 5:37 pm

emoh wrote:
So you think that CX's interest in converting the cross seat section of its regional B777s from 9 to 10 is unprecedentedly scandalous? Did you know that CX actually did just that with its much narrower Lockheed Tristars?

More on Cathay Pacific Tristars:
http://www.chingchic.com/cathay-pacific ... l1001.html
http://www.aviationexplorer.com/airline ... ations.jpg

By the way, Lockheed Tristar was originally conceived with a standard 2-4-2 cross section!



Interestingly, according to the brochure in your first link, the TriStars at Cathay were initially in a 3-4-2 layout with the central storage lockers between the middle seats (look carefully at the cabin pic with the stewardesses). I have only ever seen pictures of the storage lockers installed on the 2-4-2 configured aircraft.
 
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Fri Mar 31, 2017 5:40 pm

No A380, no 748i, now 10-abreast on its 777s - forget this airline!
 
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Fri Mar 31, 2017 6:34 pm

emoh wrote:
So you think that CX's interest in converting the cross seat section of its regional B777s from 9 to 10 is unprecedentedly scandalous? Did you know that CX actually did just that with its much narrower Lockheed Tristars?

More on Cathay Pacific Tristars:
http://www.chingchic.com/cathay-pacific ... l1001.html
http://www.aviationexplorer.com/airline ... ations.jpg

By the way, Lockheed Tristar was originally conceived with a standard 2-4-2 cross section!

Although wider the 777 was not much wider, 777 is 19.3ft internally and the Tristar is 18.11ft. So just 4 inches difference between them.
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Fri Mar 31, 2017 6:52 pm

JA786A wrote:
Loew wrote:
So who is still going to operate 9 abreast 777s? In Hong Kong area, only Air China comes to my mind...

Both JAL and ANA still have 2-4-3 on their 77Ws.


JAL is 3-3-3 on the 77W. ANA is going to 3-4-3.
 
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Fri Mar 31, 2017 8:01 pm

Since CX can't get more planes in...they need more seats since they can't get any bigger than the 77W right now as a twin jet. I would expect the 4-class planes to be converted first.
 
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Fri Mar 31, 2017 8:52 pm

conaly wrote:
AFAIK Turkish Airlines, Singapore Airlines and Korean Air are still on 3-3-3. I think EVA also still has some 9 abreast T7 left.

Majority of EVA fleet still 9-abreast. Only SFO, SEA, And soon to be YVR/VIE have the 10 abreast.
 
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Sat Apr 01, 2017 2:44 am

DL remains 9abreast in its 77Es and 77Ls as well.


na wrote:
No A380

AKA, no overcapacity


na wrote:
no 748i,

I.e. no model that's been overwhelmingly rejected by the market


na wrote:
now 10-abreast on its 777s

Thus, maximizing utility in a way that's long-since been demonstrated is most financially prudent


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Sat Apr 01, 2017 5:27 am

emoh wrote:
So you think that CX's interest in converting the cross seat section of its regional B777s from 9 to 10 is unprecedentedly scandalous? Did you know that CX actually did just that with its much narrower Lockheed Tristars?

More on Cathay Pacific Tristars:
http://www.chingchic.com/cathay-pacific ... l1001.html
http://www.aviationexplorer.com/airline ... ations.jpg

By the way, Lockheed Tristar was originally conceived with a standard 2-4-2 cross section!




Love those links emoh, brings back great memories.


The superb Tristar never looked better than in that classic Cathay livery.
They always seemed very comfortable to me, of course I was a lot smaller and they were only used on short / medium haul, they weren't really long range aircraft.
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Sat Apr 01, 2017 5:35 am

Sounds like they are switching to the same seat as the A350? If they do that, it won't be that bad. Thinner arm rests but it helps with space.
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Sat Apr 01, 2017 6:16 am

737max8 wrote:
Sounds like they are switching to the same seat as the A350? If they do that, it won't be that bad. Thinner arm rests but it helps with space.

Maybe, but my thoughts is the new seats is likely to be either the Recaro CL3710 or the Zodiac Aerospace Z300 if I'm not wrong.
 
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Sat Apr 01, 2017 6:41 am

Do we expect to see the 10-seater on CX's regional routes or even NA routes (e.g. LAX, SFO, JFK)??
 
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Sat Apr 01, 2017 8:48 am

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Do we expect to see the 10-seater on CX's regional routes or even NA routes (e.g. LAX, SFO, JFK)??

All of the 777s will eventually be 10 abreast.
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LAX772LR wrote:
DL remains 9abreast in its 77Es and 77Ls as well.


na wrote:
No A380

AKA, no overcapacity
D

AKA, they are not competitive with airlines successfully operating them.

LAX772LR wrote:
na wrote:
no 748i,

I.e. no model that's been overwhelmingly rejected by the market
D

or: ignoring to provide high-yield passengers superior cabin layout (nose, intimate upperdeck)

LAX772LR wrote:
na wrote:
now 10-abreast on its 777s

Thus, maximizing utility in a way that's long-since been demonstrated is most financially prudent
D


So you support the implementation of the very lowest comfort standards? Poor. And: how does that go with your Overcapacity statement mentioned above. The move to 10 abreast on 777s is a sign of desperation and/or greed, nothing else.

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na wrote:
- forget this airline!

Somehow I doubt you'd be noticed, much less missed. :-D
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Sat Apr 01, 2017 2:23 pm

I don't like the fact that airlines are moving to 10 abreast, but I do understand it. At the end of the day, when you fly, you're not so much paying for the service as renting real estate. Every aircraft has a finite amount of space and airlines can safely maximise the revenue they get from that space they will. The market is changing; there are new low cost carriers on long haul (and there will be more); they just have to adapt and make themselves more competitive.

As for me? I would much rather spend a little more to get more space, but that's just my choice as a consumer. I don't mind it on shortish flights, but if I'm flying 9h+, I'm not going to be in 10 abreast on a Triple, (or 9 on a 787).

Incidentally, does anyone know when CX is supposed to be receiving its secondhand 77Ws; are these from EK? (Are they the remaining EK 773s or 77Ws?)
 
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Sat Apr 01, 2017 3:46 pm

na wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
DL remains 9abreast in its 77Es and 77Ls as well.


na wrote:
No A380

AKA, no overcapacity
D

AKA, they are not competitive with airlines successfully operating them.

LAX772LR wrote:
na wrote:
no 748i,

I.e. no model that's been overwhelmingly rejected by the market
D

or: ignoring to provide high-yield passengers superior cabin layout (nose, intimate upperdeck)

LAX772LR wrote:
na wrote:
now 10-abreast on its 777s

Thus, maximizing utility in a way that's long-since been demonstrated is most financially prudent
D


So you support the implementation of the very lowest comfort standards? Poor. And: how does that go with your Overcapacity statement mentioned above. The move to 10 abreast on 777s is a sign of desperation and/or greed, nothing else.

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na wrote:
- forget this airline!

Somehow I doubt you'd be noticed, much less missed. :-D
D

I flew CX sometimes in the past, but wouldnt do so anymore due to their policy to prevent their passengers from being able to opt for the best product. That said, somehow I am sure I´ll be missed at least as much as you would. ;-)[/quote]

-OMG it is "so intimate" with 150 business class seats on the upper deck of A380 :D
-OMG CX is so UNcompetitive, so much so they own the ex-HKG market to the UK, North America, Oceania, Japan and even South Korea with daily shuttle frequencies to those market :D
 
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Sat Apr 01, 2017 4:25 pm

na wrote:
AKA, they are not competitive with airlines successfully operating them..

The airline maintaining the largest marketshare at the 2nd busiest international pax gateway on the planet... is uncompetitive?

That's rather interesting "logic"


na wrote:
ignoring to provide high-yield passengers superior cabin layout (nose, intimate upperdeck).

Speaking of "ignoring," are we to ignore that there's ZILCH evidence to prove that either of the above is essential (or even beneficial to most, when juxtaposed against other costs) for maintaining HVCs?



na wrote:
So you support the implementation of the very lowest comfort standards? Poor. .

I support the implementation of standards that comport to the law while maximizing value for the shareholders.
Which is the business' purpose, not appeasing oddball AvGeeks with an inability to let go of relics from bygone era.


na wrote:
And: how does that go with your Overcapacity statement mentioned above. .

How many 10abreast longhaul 77Ws exceed an A380 in capacity?


na wrote:
That said, somehow I am sure I´ll be missed at least as much as you would.

Which is not at all, seeing as I don't fly that airline. Way to prove my point. :-P
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Sat Apr 01, 2017 5:19 pm

Well, here are a few things folks overlooked:
1. 77W conversion starts next year in 2018, so there's no change in 2017 for the 3-3-3 configuration
2. CX will start receiving the A350-1000 in 2018, which it plans to deploy in the North American markets, which are the longest distance routes in its network. The A350-1000 should remain 3-3-3, just like the A359 they have now. 77W will start to become regional planes from 2018.
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Re: Cathay to begin 3-4-3 on 773s and 77Ws

Sat Apr 01, 2017 6:18 pm

Thanks CXGabriel. So all of European and North American routes will eventually be served with A350s?
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Re: Cathay to begin 3-4-3 on 773s and 77Ws

Sat Apr 01, 2017 7:00 pm

CXGabriel wrote:
Well, here are a few things folks overlooked:
1. 77W conversion starts next year in 2018, so there's no change in 2017 for the 3-3-3 configuration
2. CX will start receiving the A350-1000 in 2018, which it plans to deploy in the North American markets, which are the longest distance routes in its network. The A350-1000 should remain 3-3-3, just like the A359 they have now. 77W will start to become regional planes from 2018.
3. We'll see what they'll look like for the 777-9X in the 2020's.


I find that somewhat hard to believe - surely CX can still fill a 77W on "trunk" routes like JFK, LAX, maybe even YYZ. And also because AFAIK CX's A350s won't have F - CX still sells a fair amount of F to North America. Sounds like a gross misuse of the 77W's capabilities to relegate it on regional routes only. But hey I don't run an airline.
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Re: Cathay to begin 3-4-3 on 773s and 77Ws

Sat Apr 01, 2017 7:03 pm

EddieDude wrote:
Thanks CXGabriel. So all of European and North American routes will eventually be served with A350s?


... A350-900 to Europe, A350-1000 to North America and B777-9 on premium trunk routes to both markets.

And who knows how they will mix and match aircraft on flights to Oceania.
 
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Re: Cathay to begin 3-4-3 on 773s and 77Ws

Sat Apr 01, 2017 7:15 pm

9w748capt wrote:
CXGabriel wrote:
Well, here are a few things folks overlooked:
1. 77W conversion starts next year in 2018, so there's no change in 2017 for the 3-3-3 configuration
2. CX will start receiving the A350-1000 in 2018, which it plans to deploy in the North American markets, which are the longest distance routes in its network. The A350-1000 should remain 3-3-3, just like the A359 they have now. 77W will start to become regional planes from 2018.
3. We'll see what they'll look like for the 777-9X in the 2020's.


I find that somewhat hard to believe - surely CX can still fill a 77W on "trunk" routes like JFK, LAX, maybe even YYZ. And also because AFAIK CX's A350s won't have F - CX still sells a fair amount of F to North America. Sounds like a gross misuse of the 77W's capabilities to relegate it on regional routes only. But hey I don't run an airline.


It is more of the case of CX wanting more efficient long haul aircraft and more flights within Asia carrying around 400 passengers per flight.
 
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Re: Cathay to begin 3-4-3 on 773s and 77Ws

Sat Apr 01, 2017 8:11 pm

Thanks. Yes, I forgot about the 777-9. Makes a lot of sense to allocate the aircraft in that manner.

It will be a bit bad for economy passengers of the Australian routes who end up on a 77W that there will be 10 instead of 9 seats abreast.
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Re: Cathay to begin 3-4-3 on 773s and 77Ws

Sat Apr 01, 2017 8:28 pm

workhorse wrote:
Loew wrote:
So who is still going to operate 9 abreast 777s? In Hong Kong area, only Air China comes to my mind...


Air China, China Southern, Vietnam Airlines, Thai Airways, Korean Air, Asiana, JAL.

Air China has some 2-class 3-4-3 777s, but the 3-class ones are 3-3-3.
 
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Re: Cathay to begin 3-4-3 on 773s and 77Ws

Sat Apr 01, 2017 8:36 pm

please tell me it's an april's fools thing

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