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Re: Cathay to begin 3-4-3 on 773s and 77Ws

Sat Apr 01, 2017 10:27 pm

RL777 wrote:
Not that big of a deal really. The A350s will eventually take over the bulk over the long haul routes and with the 777Xs coming along around 2021, there will be few long haul routes with the 10 abreast config by the time the retrofits are beginning to show up across the network. I like the decision, it'll help them better compete with the Asian LCCs by allowing the ability to drop Y fares on those regional routes. I know the 777X 10 abreast seats aren't as wide as 9 abreast 77W but they will still be comfortable.


3-3-3 on a 330/340 is hell, 3-4-3 on a 777 is luxury compared to that.
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Re: Cathay to begin 3-4-3 on 773s and 77Ws

Sun Apr 02, 2017 3:25 am

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737max8 wrote:
Sounds like they are switching to the same seat as the A350? If they do that, it won't be that bad. Thinner arm rests but it helps with space.

Maybe, but my thoughts is the new seats is likely to be either the Recaro CL3710 or the Zodiac Aerospace Z300 if I'm not wrong.


I'm fairly certain those are the A350 seats I was talking about. They look very close with the huge monitors the news mentions, and with the thinner arm rests (especially on the Zodiac one).

I was impressed on that seat with the A350.
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Re: Cathay to begin 3-4-3 on 773s and 77Ws

Sun Apr 02, 2017 4:11 am

EddieDude wrote:
Thanks. Yes, I forgot about the 777-9. Makes a lot of sense to allocate the aircraft in that manner.

It will be a bit bad for economy passengers of the Australian routes who end up on a 77W that there will be 10 instead of 9 seats abreast.


This would really only affect passengers from SYD (currently 2 flights are with 77W with a third flight to be upgraded to 77W later this year) and 1 daily from MEL. The rest of CX routes to the main 4 gateways in Australia are being upgraded from A333 to A359, both MEL & BNE have already seen 1 flight each upgraded to A359 and MEL will see a second upgraded later in the year along with one of the frequencies to PER
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Re: Cathay to begin 3-4-3 on 773s and 77Ws

Sun Apr 02, 2017 8:41 am

kaitak wrote:
Incidentally, does anyone know when CX is supposed to be receiving its secondhand 77Ws; are these from EK? (Are they the remaining EK 773s or 77Ws?)


As far as I know the ones coming from EK are 777-300s, not 77Ws. Theres no official information yet (?) about these frames though they're intended to replace the ageing 777-200s in CX's fleet (even B-HNL, the very first 777 ever built)
 
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Re: Cathay to begin 3-4-3 on 773s and 77Ws

Sun Apr 02, 2017 5:50 pm

Thanks qf789!
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Re: Cathay to begin 3-4-3 on 773s and 77Ws

Sun Apr 02, 2017 6:07 pm

I'm a little surprised that DL hasn't switched over to 10-across yet in their 777s, given that everyone else has. Anyone know why not? Just a desire for a better pax experience out of the goodness of their hearts? ;) Or do they think they can command a revenue premium as a result?
 
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Re: Cathay to begin 3-4-3 on 773s and 77Ws

Sun Apr 02, 2017 6:16 pm

EddieDude wrote:
Thanks qf789!


Oceania is one of CX's intercontinental markets. The destinations in this region will not be served by the B777s gradually reassigned for short-haul high capacity flying for long if the airline takes this aircraft type off all of its long haul markets.
 
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Re: Cathay to begin 3-4-3 on 773s and 77Ws

Sun Apr 02, 2017 7:50 pm

No surprise! Some routes Cathay need a bit more capacity but they wouldn't go for the 748 or 388 or even an extra flight.
 
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Re: Cathay to begin 3-4-3 on 773s and 77Ws

Sun Apr 02, 2017 8:21 pm

TheGeordielad wrote:
No surprise! Some routes Cathay need a bit more capacity but they wouldn't go for the 748 or 388 or even an extra flight.


Um... CX has been constantly adding flights to its destinations.
 
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Re: Cathay to begin 3-4-3 on 773s and 77Ws

Sun Apr 02, 2017 11:21 pm

VRHNM wrote:
B-HNL, the very first 777 ever built

I thought N777UA was the first 777 to be built?

Cory6188 wrote:
I'm a little surprised that DL hasn't switched over to 10-across yet in their 777s, given that everyone else has. Anyone know why not? Just a desire for a better pax experience out of the goodness of their hearts? ;) Or do they think they can command a revenue premium as a result?

They're just waiting until the next D-check. (they will add premium economy and new J class as well)
 
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Re: Cathay to begin 3-4-3 on 773s and 77Ws

Mon Apr 03, 2017 12:13 am

crazyplane1234 wrote:
VRHNM wrote:
B-HNL, the very first 777 ever built

I thought N777UA was the first 777 to be built?


Negative. B-HNL is older indeed than N777UA. Infact, 777UA isn't even the oldest in UAs fleet; that title goes to N774UA.

However, both HNL and 774 have been in their respective fleets less time than 777UA, as these were program prototypes that entered their fleets subsequent to the original fleet deliveries. So while 777UA isn't the first, it's likely the oldest/first in service. So you weren't entirely wrong.

Interesting history, HNL is the only 777 to have changed engine types as well. They start mentioning HNL specifically about 2/3rds of the way down.

https://www.thisdayinaviation.com/tag/b-hnl/


Incidentally, by (somewhat ;) ) happenstance, I actually managed to get rides on both HNL and 774 in the same six months recently.

Like all of us, I hope it ends up in a museum upon retirement, but I'm glad I got to see it just in case.
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Re: Cathay to begin 3-4-3 on 773s and 77Ws

Mon Apr 03, 2017 2:26 am

DarkSnowyNight wrote:
crazyplane1234 wrote:
VRHNM wrote:
B-HNL, the very first 777 ever built

I thought N777UA was the first 777 to be built?


Negative. B-HNL is older indeed than N777UA. Infact, 777UA isn't even the oldest in UAs fleet; that title goes to N774UA.

However, both HNL and 774 have been in their respective fleets less time than 777UA, as these were program prototypes that entered their fleets subsequent to the original fleet deliveries. So while 777UA isn't the first, it's likely the oldest/first in service. So you weren't entirely wrong.

Interesting history, HNL is the only 777 to have changed engine types as well. They start mentioning HNL specifically about 2/3rds of the way down.

https://www.thisdayinaviation.com/tag/b-hnl/


Incidentally, by (somewhat ;) ) happenstance, I actually managed to get rides on both HNL and 774 in the same six months recently.

Like all of us, I hope it ends up in a museum upon retirement, but I'm glad I got to see it just in case.


IIRC, CX need to return HNL to Boeing upon retirement, so I assume she will end up in a museum.
 
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Re: Cathay to begin 3-4-3 on 773s and 77Ws

Mon Apr 03, 2017 2:28 am

VRHNM wrote:
kaitak wrote:
Incidentally, does anyone know when CX is supposed to be receiving its secondhand 77Ws; are these from EK? (Are they the remaining EK 773s or 77Ws?)


As far as I know the ones coming from EK are 777-300s, not 77Ws. Theres no official information yet (?) about these frames though they're intended to replace the ageing 777-200s in CX's fleet (even B-HNL, the very first 777 ever built)


Yes, the incoming planes from EK are -300s rather then 77Ws. Originally the one crashed in DXB is one of the 5 773 due to go to CX.
 
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Re: Cathay to begin 3-4-3 on 773s and 77Ws

Mon Apr 03, 2017 2:41 am

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...the one crashed in DXB is one of the 5 773 due to go to CX.

Since CX is only recieving 4 aircraft, what will replace the last CX 772?
 
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Re: Cathay to begin 3-4-3 on 773s and 77Ws

Mon Apr 03, 2017 6:09 am

crazyplane1234 wrote:
hongkongflyer wrote:
...the one crashed in DXB is one of the 5 773 due to go to CX.

Since CX is only recieving 4 aircraft, what will replace the last CX 772?


EK should find another one to make up of the 5th plane haha
 
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Re: Cathay to begin 3-4-3 on 773s and 77Ws

Mon Apr 03, 2017 8:18 am

Some interesting information below. It seems that compared with other 10 abreast 777 operators flying out of HKG, CX still compares favourably in terms of seat pitch, width and toilet ratios (not that that says very much!)

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Re: Cathay to begin 3-4-3 on 773s and 77Ws

Mon Apr 03, 2017 8:33 am

9w748capt wrote:
CXGabriel wrote:
Well, here are a few things folks overlooked:
1. 77W conversion starts next year in 2018, so there's no change in 2017 for the 3-3-3 configuration
2. CX will start receiving the A350-1000 in 2018, which it plans to deploy in the North American markets, which are the longest distance routes in its network. The A350-1000 should remain 3-3-3, just like the A359 they have now. 77W will start to become regional planes from 2018.
3. We'll see what they'll look like for the 777-9X in the 2020's.


I find that somewhat hard to believe - surely CX can still fill a 77W on "trunk" routes like JFK, LAX, maybe even YYZ. And also because AFAIK CX's A350s won't have F - CX still sells a fair amount of F to North America. Sounds like a gross misuse of the 77W's capabilities to relegate it on regional routes only. But hey I don't run an airline.


Why is it a misuse? They already have newer and better machines that are capable of doing their long-haul flying more efficiently - A359 and A35J. In a few years time they will also get 777-9X. Hence regional routes for 77W are perfectly appropriate. Another option for them - sell or lease them to other airlines, but CX does sometimes keep their frames until it's time for them to go to scrapyard.

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