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Re: AS to fly VX A320s through 2024, will take all A321neos

Sat Apr 01, 2017 12:46 am

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Congrats to AS for keeping the A321 orders. Our passengers love the planes and I'm sure AS passengers will as well.


Agreed. Keeping the A321s makes a lot of sense. If they perform well, expect AS to order more, perhaps even A321neoLR to try longer routes to Europe and South America.

Not from their hubs...

The A321LR is ill suited for a west coast airline.

The A321LR would enable them to open West Coast - Caribbean, but that's about it.
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Re: AS to fly VX A320s through 2024, will take all A321neos

Sat Apr 01, 2017 12:47 am

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The A321LR is ill suited for a west coast airline.


Wait... are you telling me there WON'T be a Anchorage to Glasgow non-stop?
 
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Re: AS to fly VX A320s through 2024, will take all A321neos

Sat Apr 01, 2017 2:32 am

AS have set their sights on starting service to PTY...they're just waiting for either the 737Max or A321. That would also put LAX-CTG (Cartagena) and LAX-BOG within reach.
 
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Sat Apr 01, 2017 4:02 am

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AS have set their sights on starting service to PTY...they're just waiting for either the 737Max or A321. That would also put LAX-CTG (Cartagena) and LAX-BOG within reach.

LAX-BOG would face problems with BOG's altitude.
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Re: AS to fly VX A320s through 2024, will take all A321neos

Sat Apr 01, 2017 5:04 am

So will VA A320 will be painted in AS livery?
 
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Sat Apr 01, 2017 5:19 am

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A few notes:

o AS is very interested in the MoM concept and would ideally like something with 200-225 passengers and 4500nm range


Hmmm, but why? The seat count I could understand, but what would they do with 4500 miles?
 
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Re: AS to fly VX A320s through 2024, will take all A321neos

Sat Apr 01, 2017 5:26 am

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AS have set their sights on starting service to PTY...they're just waiting for either the 737Max or A321. That would also put LAX-CTG (Cartagena) and LAX-BOG within reach.


AS does have their sights set on more Central America, but AS can easily fly LAX-PTY with a 737-800 as Copa does 3x daily, if they had the authority.

I have a sneaking suspicion that more tourist destinations are in the cards, maybe Belize. I can't imagine AS jumping into a foreign dominated market when other routes have less than a 3 x daily service by a dominant carrier to the market.

As far as cross fleeting goes, it makes perfect sense for AS to move the A-320's into the west coast markets, up & down the coast, those frames will likely be the first to go & why not put the cycles on those frames & leave the longer hauls to the 737-800/900 fleets, which we are sure AS wanted, as they were ordered new.

The newer markets are being operated with E-175 jets flown by both QX & OO, with the Q-400's for their smallest & shortest markets. This is AS going forward until they can rid themselves of the Airbus leases & by then replace 1 for 1 with 737-MAX aircraft already on order & on option, if applicable.
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Re: AS to fly VX A320s through 2024, will take all A321neos

Sat Apr 01, 2017 5:31 am

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So will VA A320 will be painted in AS livery?


All VX aircraft will be retrofitted with new AS interiors and painted in the AS livery.
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Re: AS to fly VX A320s through 2024, will take all A321neos

Sat Apr 01, 2017 2:37 pm

Softaero wrote:
hiflyeras wrote:
AS have set their sights on starting service to PTY...they're just waiting for either the 737Max or A321. That would also put LAX-CTG (Cartagena) and LAX-BOG within reach.

LAX-BOG would face problems with BOG's altitude.


Oops, you're right. Have never been there but it's on my bucket list. I hear that it's a beautiful country! It's interesting to think about what they might do with the increased range of the MAX and Neo...it's not that much further than the -800. If I was clever I'd make one of those circle maps. ;)
 
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Re: AS to fly VX A320s through 2024, will take all A321neos

Sat Apr 01, 2017 5:11 pm

I love the A321! Alaska will have the chance to get familiar with the Airbus and very well could mix the fleet up a bit. I bet Boeing and Airbus will now put up some good prices now for Alaska.
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Re: AS to fly VX A320s through 2024, will take all A321neos

Sat Apr 01, 2017 5:58 pm

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enilria wrote:
Still sounds to me like an all-Boeing future, but not quickly.


It sounds more like an airline that will leave its options open and get the best aircraft/pricing that is available down the road when they need to decide.


Agreed. And by 2024, I am certain Alaska and jetBlue will announce a merger to create the 5th largest U.S. carrier, which will lead to a mixed 737/A320/E175/E190 fleet.
 
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Re: AS to fly VX A320s through 2024, will take all A321neos

Sun May 28, 2017 5:09 am

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Will they operate them under VX's interior and livery or will they be converted to AS?

They'll have to update this it seems
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Technically s orison has been part of them that slogan went out the window.
 
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Sun May 28, 2017 5:56 am

Softaero wrote:
hiflyeras wrote:
AS have set their sights on starting service to PTY...they're just waiting for either the 737Max or A321. That would also put LAX-CTG (Cartagena) and LAX-BOG within reach.

LAX-BOG would face problems with BOG's altitude.


I think it might be feasible as the A321neoLR has higher thrust engines, higher T-O weights & at 3023nm out of 4000nm range (thats based on 206 seats)
Alaska would have fewer seats and the extra T-O capability should counter act some of the altitude.
 
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Re: AS to fly VX A320s through 2024, will take all A321neos

Sun May 28, 2017 6:01 am

I doubt they'll use it TATL (although they definitely could in theory). AS probably sees that it would be even harder to do than normal because of airlines like Norwegian and ME3 turning the whole market into a dumpster fire, so they'd rather use their partners instead.

A personal dream of mine, that could come true, is ANC-TYO in something between 3x weekly and daily frequencies. My gut says there's a market for at least 3x weekly at peak season.
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Re: AS to fly VX A320s through 2024, will take all A321neos

Mon May 29, 2017 1:34 am

enilria wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
enilria wrote:
Still sounds to me like an all-Boeing future, but not quickly.

It will take at least a decade.
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enilria wrote:
Still sounds to me like an all-Boeing future, but not quickly.

Sure, if Boeing buys Airbus. :rotfl:

I remember all these same people saying Southwest would keep the 717. It's actually pretty comical if you want to go back and read it. This is going to probably take longer than it did at WN (which still took years) because these planes in question are much newer than the 717s were. But in the end, we have already seen this merger go like all the others go.

Step 1: We will keep the best of both companies
Step 2: We are looking at ways to keep using the Virgin brand and excellent product
Step 3: We are evaluating the fleet and may keep the Airbus
Step 4: The Virgin brand and product will go away
Step 5: ...

Again, this is how every merger goes and yet it seems to come as a surprise each time. Alaska bought Virgin. Alaska is very successful. Virgin basically wasn't. Nearly everything will become like Alaska did things. It's a story told over and over again.


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Re: AS to fly VX A320s through 2024, will take all A321neos

Mon May 29, 2017 4:08 am

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I am certain Alaska and jetBlue will announce a merger to create the 5th largest U.S. carrier


The combination of AS and VX already did that; B6 is number six now, behind AS.
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Re: AS to fly VX A320s through 2024, will take all A321neos

Mon May 29, 2017 7:17 am

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Nice. According to this map the A320 will fly from SEA to SFO and SFO.
 
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Mon May 29, 2017 1:30 pm

rbavfan wrote:
gatibosgru wrote:
Will they operate them under VX's interior and livery or will they be converted to AS?

They'll have to update this it seems
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Technically s orison has been part of them that slogan went out the window.


If you're referring to Horizon, they've been a part of Alaska Air Group for a long long long time. Both airlines are subs of the larger holding company.



Anyone remember when Alaska was mostly an MD-80 airline? Things change over time.


One question....pre-VX, Alaska mostly is an aircraft owner. For now, keeping the Airbus fleet has to do with the leases. But could that represent a philosophical shift over time, will Alaska also review its fleet funding strategy as well, perhaps shifting to more leases in the future, regardless of type? If so, it would represent a significant shift in capital structure policy.
 
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Re: AS to fly VX A320s through 2024, will take all A321neos

Mon May 29, 2017 1:40 pm

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I doubt they'll use it TATL (although they definitely could in theory). AS probably sees that it would be even harder to do than normal because of airlines like Norwegian and ME3 turning the whole market into a dumpster fire, so they'd rather use their partners instead.

The A321LR won't make it TATL (except Iceland if you consider that TATL) from any of AS/VX's hubs even in theory.
 
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Mon May 29, 2017 3:09 pm

Polot wrote:
ASQ400 wrote:
I doubt they'll use it TATL (although they definitely could in theory). AS probably sees that it would be even harder to do than normal because of airlines like Norwegian and ME3 turning the whole market into a dumpster fire, so they'd rather use their partners instead.

The A321LR won't make it TATL (except Iceland if you consider that TATL) from any of AS/VX's hubs even in theory.

EDI much?

They don't actually need to use a hub, anyway. Just pick up gate space on the East Coast and call it a focus city. Still, that would be a dumb idea for the reason I mentioned.
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Mon May 29, 2017 5:24 pm

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Nice. According to this map the A320 will fly from SEA to SFO and SFO.


I think the plan is for the lower capacity Airbus to fly West Coast routes with high frequency...not just SFO and LAX. Transcon routes with only one or two flights per day will see the larger Boeings.
 
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Re: AS to fly VX A320s through 2024, will take all A321neos

Mon May 29, 2017 6:40 pm

I am surprised we haven't seen a painted Alaska Airbus yet. Any idea when they plan to start that? Any artists here willing to do a special paint job for us?
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Mon May 29, 2017 7:25 pm

If it's been posted here or another thread I'm not seeing it. With the updated livery of AS, are they going to revive the special liveries such as Hawaii Spirit, Disney, Salmon. Are the Horizon Q400's going to get the University logos?
 
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Mon May 29, 2017 7:51 pm

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SFOtoORD wrote:
enilria wrote:
Still sounds to me like an all-Boeing future, but not quickly.


It sounds more like an airline that will leave its options open and get the best aircraft/pricing that is available down the road when they need to decide.


Agreed. And by 2024, I am certain Alaska and jetBlue will announce a merger to create the 5th largest U.S. carrier, which will lead to a mixed 737/A320/E175/E190 fleet.


You should really tell AS and B6 about this, because I imagine this prognostication would come as a bit of a surprise to them.
 
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Mon May 29, 2017 8:31 pm

Ever since VX began service at SAN, in 2/2007, I've been looking forward to the day a Virgin aircraft would fly from SAN to anywhere in their network besides SFO. I wonder if, 10 or 11 years later, my dream might finally come true? It's not really that big a deal because I realize that it's really AAG that's doing the planning and growth, and their vision for SAN is 180 degrees from Virgin's.

But it would be nice to see a "Virgin" Airbus take off from Lindbergh Field and fly to JFK, BOS, TPA, RDU, IND, or even SEA, or ??? Fingers are crossed...!

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Re: AS to fly VX A320s through 2024, will take all A321neos

Mon May 29, 2017 10:30 pm

SFOATLFlyer wrote:
If it's been posted here or another thread I'm not seeing it. With the updated livery of AS, are they going to revive the special liveries such as Hawaii Spirit, Disney, Salmon. Are the Horizon Q400's going to get the University logos?


Are we going to see yet another livery update at AS? The new marketing (internet ads, bay to breakers) relies heavily on gradient not featured in any of ASs other brand materials. Could Chester be going away to appeal to Californians?
 
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Mon May 29, 2017 10:52 pm

SFOATLFlyer wrote:
If it's been posted here or another thread I'm not seeing it. With the updated livery of AS, are they going to revive the special liveries such as Hawaii Spirit, Disney, Salmon. Are the Horizon Q400's going to get the University logos?

I'm sure they will tweak these liveries to include the new branding and repaint them eventually but just haven't gotten around to that yet.
 
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Mon May 29, 2017 10:57 pm

RE Q400 painting - isn't painting a regular part of a maintenance cycle? Something that would be spelled out in a lease? I saw on fb someone from Alaska say the Q400s won't be repainted until the 737s are done, which would leave a several year gap between the new livery rollout and the final 737 being painted. Surely some will be due for new paint in this time period. Do they just let the planes fly with old paint and it's no big deal?
 
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Mon May 29, 2017 11:22 pm

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Ever since VX began service at SAN, in 2/2007, I've been looking forward to the day a Virgin aircraft would fly from SAN to anywhere in their network besides SFO. I wonder if, 10 or 11 years later, my dream might finally come true? It's not really that big a deal because I realize that it's really AAG that's doing the planning and growth, and their vision for SAN is 180 degrees from Virgin's.

But it would be nice to see a "Virgin" Airbus take off from Lindbergh Field and fly to JFK, BOS, TPA, RDU, IND, or even SEA, or ??? Fingers are crossed...!

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If WN keeps its flight from IND-SAN seasonal after this year, you can rest assured that AS/VX will add year round to IND. There is way too much demand for it just to be seasonal, I think as long as WN keeps it seasonal you should see VX/AS aircraft in the next 1.5-3 years.
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Mon May 29, 2017 11:41 pm

b6sea wrote:
Philly65 wrote:
SFOtoORD wrote:

It sounds more like an airline that will leave its options open and get the best aircraft/pricing that is available down the road when they need to decide.


Agreed. And by 2024, I am certain Alaska and jetBlue will announce a merger to create the 5th largest U.S. carrier, which will lead to a mixed 737/A320/E175/E190 fleet.


You should really tell AS and B6 about this, because I imagine this prognostication would come as a bit of a surprise to them.


Nah...AS isn't going on an airline buying spree like US Airways. If B6 merges into anything, my guess is NK, unfortunately.
 
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Mon May 29, 2017 11:42 pm

.[/quote]
Not from their hubs...

The A321LR is ill suited for a west coast airline.[/quote]

But they would be great for Hawaii ops and routes such as LAX CUN
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Tue May 30, 2017 12:08 am

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Polot wrote:
ASQ400 wrote:
I doubt they'll use it TATL (although they definitely could in theory). AS probably sees that it would be even harder to do than normal because of airlines like Norwegian and ME3 turning the whole market into a dumpster fire, so they'd rather use their partners instead.

The A321LR won't make it TATL (except Iceland if you consider that TATL) from any of AS/VX's hubs even in theory.

EDI much?

They don't actually need to use a hub, anyway. Just pick up gate space on the East Coast and call it a focus city. Still, that would be a dumb idea for the reason I mentioned.

Even EDI is too far in real world operations.
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Not from their hubs...

The A321LR is ill suited for a west coast airline.

But they would be great for Hawaii ops and routes such as LAX CUN

The normal A321neo performs those routes just fine. No need for the A321LR there.
 
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Tue May 30, 2017 12:10 am

Polot wrote:
ASQ400 wrote:
Polot wrote:
The A321LR won't make it TATL (except Iceland if you consider that TATL) from any of AS/VX's hubs even in theory.

EDI much?

They don't actually need to use a hub, anyway. Just pick up gate space on the East Coast and call it a focus city. Still, that would be a dumb idea for the reason I mentioned.

Even EDI is too far in real world operations.
yellowtail wrote:
Not from their hubs...

The A321LR is ill suited for a west coast airline.

But they would be great for Hawaii ops and routes such as LAX CUN

The normal A321neo performs those routes just fine. No need for the A321LR there.

Yes, there would be weight restrictions in play, but it's not as bad as CO EWR-TXL on the 757.
The matter isn't technological, but economical.
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Tue May 30, 2017 12:17 am

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Nice. According to this map the A320 will fly from SEA to SFO and SFO.

In their defense, SJC and OAK may be part of that dot.t. but I got a nice chuckle out of it regardless. :)
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Tue May 30, 2017 12:25 am

ASQ400 wrote:
Polot wrote:
ASQ400 wrote:
EDI much?

They don't actually need to use a hub, anyway. Just pick up gate space on the East Coast and call it a focus city. Still, that would be a dumb idea for the reason I mentioned.

Even EDI is too far in real world operations.
yellowtail wrote:
Not from their hubs...

The A321LR is ill suited for a west coast airline.

But they would be great for Hawaii ops and routes such as LAX CUN

The normal A321neo performs those routes just fine. No need for the A321LR there.

Yes, there would be weight restrictions in play, but it's not as bad as CO EWR-TXL on the 757.
The matter isn't technological, but economical.

SEA-EDI is 500 miles longer than EWR-TXL. The A321LR is expected to have slightly more range than the 757, but not that much more.
 
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Tue May 30, 2017 2:02 am

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RE Q400 painting - isn't painting a regular part of a maintenance cycle? Something that would be spelled out in a lease? I saw on fb someone from Alaska say the Q400s won't be repainted until the 737s are done, which would leave a several year gap between the new livery rollout and the final 737 being painted. Surely some will be due for new paint in this time period. Do they just let the planes fly with old paint and it's no big deal?

The QX fleet was painted not that long ago, in the rebranding from "Horizon Air" to the now former AS mainline livery. They all look new still, so there wouldn't be a rush to paint them again until they need it anyway.
I would expect that anything coming out of heavy checks (stripped down to the studs and bare metal) would come out in the new AS livery, but not a marketing-only repaint program like AA.
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Tue May 30, 2017 2:35 am

Polot wrote:
ASQ400 wrote:
Polot wrote:
Even EDI is too far in real world operations.
The normal A321neo performs those routes just fine. No need for the A321LR there.

Yes, there would be weight restrictions in play, but it's not as bad as CO EWR-TXL on the 757.
The matter isn't technological, but economical.

SEA-EDI is 500 miles longer than EWR-TXL. The A321LR is expected to have slightly more range than the 757, but not that much more.

ANC is a few hundred miles closer than SEA.
 
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Are we going to see yet another livery update at AS? The new marketing (internet ads, bay to breakers) relies heavily on gradient not featured in any of ASs other brand materials. Could Chester be going away to appeal to Californians?


Nope.

The new livery is here to stay, and the marketing materials are based on the blue/green "aura" pattern that appears on the livery.

Chester stays. The livery stays. No changes.
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Tue May 30, 2017 3:10 am

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username21 wrote:
Are we going to see yet another livery update at AS? The new marketing (internet ads, bay to breakers) relies heavily on gradient not featured in any of ASs other brand materials. Could Chester be going away to appeal to Californians?


Nope.

The new livery is here to stay, and the marketing materials are based on the blue/green "aura" pattern that appears on the livery.

Chester stays. The livery stays. No changes.


Thank goodness!
 
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Tue May 30, 2017 4:22 am

And I have never heard any California just complaining about Chester being on the back tail
 
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EA CO AS wrote:
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Are we going to see yet another livery update at AS? The new marketing (internet ads, bay to breakers) relies heavily on gradient not featured in any of ASs other brand materials. Could Chester be going away to appeal to Californians?


Nope.

The new livery is here to stay, and the marketing materials are based on the blue/green "aura" pattern that appears on the livery.

Chester stays. The livery stays. No changes.

That is wonderful news, EA'. IMO, AAG has a terrific livery now and I hope it will be around for a long time.

I am curious to see how it will look on a...[gulp!] ...Airbus?

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Re: AS to fly VX A320s through 2024, will take all A321neos

Tue May 30, 2017 5:31 am

SANFan wrote:
EA CO AS wrote:
username21 wrote:
Are we going to see yet another livery update at AS? The new marketing (internet ads, bay to breakers) relies heavily on gradient not featured in any of ASs other brand materials. Could Chester be going away to appeal to Californians?


Nope.

The new livery is here to stay, and the marketing materials are based on the blue/green "aura" pattern that appears on the livery.

Chester stays. The livery stays. No changes.

That is wonderful news, EA'. IMO, AAG has a terrific livery now and I hope it will be around for a long time.

I am curious to see how it will look on a...[gulp!] ...Airbus?

bb
it will look fine. It's already on embrears and soon bombardiers.
 
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Re: AS to fly VX A320s through 2024, will take all A321neos

Tue May 30, 2017 6:18 am

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pdx wrote:
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Nice. According to this map the A320 will fly from SEA to SFO and SFO.

In their defense, SJC and OAK may be part of that dot.t. but I got a nice chuckle out of it regardless. :)


Good point! I never thought of that. I thought it was funny too.
 
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Re: AS to fly VX A320s through 2024, will take all A321neos

Tue May 30, 2017 6:22 am

hiflyeras wrote:
pdx wrote:
Nice. According to this map the A320 will fly from SEA to SFO and SFO.


I think the plan is for the lower capacity Airbus to fly West Coast routes with high frequency...not just SFO and LAX. Transcon routes with only one or two flights per day will see the larger Boeings.


Yes, that's probably their plan. Hope they hurry up and paint the A320's. Should look pretty awesome!
 
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Re: AS to fly VX A320s through 2024, will take all A321neos

Tue May 30, 2017 6:31 am

I like the move, put the leased A-320's & A-319's on higher cycle days & use the owned 737's on the lower cycle routes, I expect VX Hawaii ops to go to the 737-800's or 737-990er's for uniform services at all island stations.
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Re: AS to fly VX A320s through 2024, will take all A321neos

Tue May 30, 2017 10:57 am

Aliqiout wrote:
Polot wrote:
ASQ400 wrote:
Yes, there would be weight restrictions in play, but it's not as bad as CO EWR-TXL on the 757.
The matter isn't technological, but economical.

SEA-EDI is 500 miles longer than EWR-TXL. The A321LR is expected to have slightly more range than the 757, but not that much more.

ANC is a few hundred miles closer than SEA.

And you can keep dreaming if you think AS would be serving secondary European cities from ANC.
 
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Re: AS to fly VX A320s through 2024, will take all A321neos

Tue May 30, 2017 11:13 am

yellowtail wrote:
Not from their hubs...

The A321LR is ill suited for a west coast airline.
But they would be great for Hawaii ops and routes such as LAX CUN


I think the A321 is great for HNL and KOA, but the LR isn't needed for their current Hawaii strategy. The A321neo and A321LR is probably going to have some weight restrictions from LIH. AA has weight restrictions out of LIH with the A321. They might keep wanting to use the 737-800s for OGG and LIH with the short runways.

I don't really know what the extra range of the LR offers them. Maybe deeper into Central America or Hawaii from the Rockies.
 
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Re: AS to fly VX A320s through 2024, will take all A321neos

Tue May 30, 2017 11:25 am

Newbiepilot wrote:
The A321neo and A321LR is probably going to have some weight restrictions from LIH. AA has weight restrictions out of LIH with the A321. They might keep wanting to use the 737-800s for OGG and LIH with the short runways.

HA flies the 763 from LIH to OAK/LAX and OGG to OAK/SJC. Not to mention AA flying the 763/777 from DFW to OGG and UA flying the 777 from ORD to OGG. If the 763 can land there, the LR/Neo should be fine no?
 
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Re: AS to fly VX A320s through 2024, will take all A321neos

Tue May 30, 2017 11:33 am

I would expect the only distance advantage of a A-321LR could only be realized with routes from LAX to S. American points or Caribbean points, working in the confines of the current AS strategy, with connecting the West Coast to every possible profitable destination, it's only a handful of markets the 321LR would benefit, range wise at least.

As far as I can imagine, AS will make it all 737 flying to/from Hawaii, just for uniformity throughout all island stations. If the A-321LR were flying Hawaii, it range would only be realized if AS went inland further than they do currently, but where? LAS. PHX, SLC?
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Re: AS to fly VX A320s through 2024, will take all A321neos

Tue May 30, 2017 11:34 am

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Will new A321NEO start off with a transcon's tomorrow?

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