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Telling the 321LR and 757 apart

Fri Mar 31, 2017 2:47 pm

I know the 321LR is not flying yet, but it will be soon. From what I have seen of illustrations, they look awfully similar. What is going to be the tell tale signs to look for to identify one versus teh other?
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Re: Telling the 321LR and 757 apart

Fri Mar 31, 2017 2:56 pm

One looks like a 757 the other looks like an A321. They don't look too similar other than they are both long narrow bodies. IMO the A321 looks more derpy in the cockpit and nose area, where the 757 is a beautiful design
 
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Re: Telling the 321LR and 757 apart

Fri Mar 31, 2017 3:40 pm

Just from a fuselage perspective, every 757 has a #2 door forward of the engines. Supposedly, none of the 321LRs will, instead having the new door configuration with a pair of overwing exits.
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Re: Telling the 321LR and 757 apart

Fri Mar 31, 2017 3:56 pm

The landing gear should give it away. The 757 has dual bogie (so 4 wheels on each strut) main landing gear, the A321 only has 2 wheels per strut
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Re: Telling the 321LR and 757 apart

Fri Mar 31, 2017 3:58 pm

jwvw89 wrote:
One looks like a 757 the other looks like an A321. They don't look too similar other than they are both long narrow bodies. IMO the A321 looks more derpy in the cockpit and nose area, where the 757 is a beautiful design


What do you mean by "derpy"?

hOMSaR wrote:
Just from a fuselage perspective, every 757 has a #2 door forward of the engines. Supposedly, none of the 321LRs will, instead having the new door configuration with a pair of overwing exits.



Ok. I have seen images where there a #2 door ahead of the wing. I have not keep up with the changes.
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Re: Telling the 321LR and 757 apart

Fri Mar 31, 2017 4:01 pm

The 757 looks far more aggressive than the A321 and kind of 'insect like' with it's long legs, yes it's a beautiful aircraft but I personally love the A321 as well, especially with sharklets! The A321 is the prettiest of the A32S IMO, modern and very capable looking, great dimensions and even more appealing with the new large NEO engines. Personally, other than the long-narrow fuselage, I don't think they look much alike.
 
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Re: Telling the 321LR and 757 apart

Fri Mar 31, 2017 4:22 pm

I think MAX vs NG will be difficult




Yeah, the engines, but that's about it.
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Re: Telling the 321LR and 757 apart

Fri Mar 31, 2017 4:29 pm

The tail cone is the biggest visual change I think.
 
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Re: Telling the 321LR and 757 apart

Fri Mar 31, 2017 4:30 pm

727LOVER wrote:
I think MAX vs NG will be difficult




Yeah, the engines, but that's about it.

The tail cone is different.
 
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Re: Telling the 321LR and 757 apart

Fri Mar 31, 2017 4:59 pm

GoSharks wrote:
727LOVER wrote:
I think MAX vs NG will be difficult




Yeah, the engines, but that's about it.

The tail cone is different.


Nose gear is taller on the Max, Leading Edge on the engine nacelle is thicker on the max, tail cone is different
 
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Re: Telling the 321LR and 757 apart

Fri Mar 31, 2017 5:00 pm

The A321 will have shorter wingspan and horizontal stabilizer is shorter on the A321. Engines will be different too.
 
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Re: Telling the 321LR and 757 apart

Fri Mar 31, 2017 6:30 pm

727LOVER wrote:
I think MAX vs NG will be difficult




Yeah, the engines, but that's about it.

MAX vs NG is easy, just look at the tailcone and winglets. Neo vs Ceo is more difficult, as the engine is the only noticeable change.
 
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Re: Telling the 321LR and 757 apart

Fri Mar 31, 2017 6:35 pm

To be honest I have more trouble telling the A321LR and Tupolev TU-204 apart than from the 757. I used to think the TU-204 looked like a pimped up A321, now it really does.
 
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Re: Telling the 321LR and 757 apart

Fri Mar 31, 2017 6:46 pm

JannEejit wrote:
To be honest I have more trouble telling the A321LR and Tupolev TU-204 apart than from the 757. I used to think the TU-204 looked like a pimped up A321, now it really does.


That's a bit odd, with my eyes they look absolutely nothing a like. Many aspects are different.
 
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Re: Telling the 321LR and 757 apart

Fri Mar 31, 2017 6:46 pm

The A321LR and regular A321 will be hard to tell apart. The A321LR will look exactly like the A321neo as far as I know. The only differences are MTOW and aux tanks, which is not something visible from the outside. I expect that most A321LRs will have door 2 removed and have the exit door configuration used by the 737-900ER, so a quick look at the exits should make the plane easier to identify. It should be too hard to differentiate from a 757. No 757 has exits like this.

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Re: Telling the 321LR and 757 apart

Fri Mar 31, 2017 7:48 pm

ikolkyo wrote:
JannEejit wrote:
To be honest I have more trouble telling the A321LR and Tupolev TU-204 apart than from the 757. I used to think the TU-204 looked like a pimped up A321, now it really does.


That's a bit odd, with my eyes they look absolutely nothing a like. Many aspects are different.


Yes but far more alike than an A321 and 757.
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Re: Telling the 321LR and 757 apart

Fri Mar 31, 2017 8:04 pm

JannEejit wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:
JannEejit wrote:
To be honest I have more trouble telling the A321LR and Tupolev TU-204 apart than from the 757. I used to think the TU-204 looked like a pimped up A321, now it really does.


That's a bit odd, with my eyes they look absolutely nothing a like. Many aspects are different.


Yes but far alike than an A321 and 757.


I'll have to disagree with this.
 
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Re: Telling the 321LR and 757 apart

Fri Mar 31, 2017 8:24 pm

ikolkyo wrote:
JannEejit wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:

That's a bit odd, with my eyes they look absolutely nothing a like. Many aspects are different.


Yes but far alike than an A321 and 757.


I'll have to disagree with this.


As is your prerogative, I'll stick with my opinion they look awfully similar, but yes I can still tell them apart. :biggrin:


 
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Re: Telling the 321LR and 757 apart

Fri Mar 31, 2017 9:28 pm

The nose gear on the A320 series aircraft has a strut that is not perpendicular to the fuselage (the bottom of the strut is forward of the point of rotation in the fuselage), whereas the 757's nose landing gear strut is perpendicular.
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Re: Telling the 321LR and 757 apart

Fri Mar 31, 2017 10:00 pm

One of them generates about ten threads a week of repeated content, and the other doesn't?

The nose and winglets should be identifiable enough
 
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Re: Telling the 321LR and 757 apart

Fri Mar 31, 2017 10:10 pm

For those airlines that opt to keep the L2 door on their 321NEO's, is it possible to hook up a jetbridge to that door like on the 752/3?
 
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Re: Telling the 321LR and 757 apart

Sat Apr 01, 2017 12:20 am

If its outside the US, it's probably a A321. There's exceptions though :veryhappy:

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Re: Telling the 321LR and 757 apart

Sat Apr 01, 2017 12:36 am

One dead giveaway 321/757 is both the cockpit windows and doors. The differences are quite apparent.. To most of us here I dare say :eyepopping: :scratchchin:
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Re: Telling the 321LR and 757 apart

Sat Apr 01, 2017 1:26 am

iahcsr wrote:
One dead giveaway 321/757 is both the cockpit windows and doors. The differences are quite apparent.. To most of us here I dare say :eyepopping: :scratchchin:


Agreed .. on the 757 there's a definate drop on the cockpit windows (not sure how to phrase it) - and then there's that nose .. :-)
 
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Re: Telling the 321LR and 757 apart

Sat Apr 01, 2017 2:18 am

Do the windows and cabin floor of the A321 bend uphill at the stern, like the A300/310/330/340 (and I thought 320 family) do? I've been wading through photos but hardly any carriers still paint a cheat line to see for sure. (Some carriers swept their cheatlines up hill aft keeping with the window line while others kept the cheatline straight, front to back. The latter made it more obvious.)
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Re: Telling the 321LR and 757 apart

Sat Apr 01, 2017 3:10 am

For me, the biggest giveaway is the vertical stabilizer. The tail of the B757 looks far more proportionate to the airframe itself than the comparatively stubby-looking tail on the A321 (all versions).
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Re: Telling the 321LR and 757 apart

Sat Apr 01, 2017 3:17 am

Surprised no one has mentioned this but the 757 will climb out like a bat out of hell the A321 not so much.
 
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Re: Telling the 321LR and 757 apart

Sat Apr 01, 2017 3:52 am

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Surprised no one has mentioned this but the 757 will climb out like a bat out of hell the A321 not so much.

The A321 is certainly no snail.
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Re: Telling the 321LR and 757 apart

Sat Apr 01, 2017 4:12 am

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baje427 wrote:
Surprised no one has mentioned this but the 757 will climb out like a bat out of hell the A321 not so much.

The A321 is certainly no snail.


It sort of is, atleast from the stand point as I see it. I'm an air traffic controller that handles departures and the A321 climbs pretty poorly compared to all the other guys. IMO that's rightfully so as it's the largest and heaviest of the A32x series. The A330 and A340s also seem to have pretty slow climb rates. I'm talking about the 15,000 and up to cruise altitudes. Of course I do understand though that climb rates are dependent on many factors, but I'm just generally speaking.
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Re: Telling the 321LR and 757 apart

Sat Apr 01, 2017 4:26 am

One easy way to tell an aircraft is an Airbus is from the side cockpit windows -- they're shaped roughly like a SIM chip in your phone. This style window is found on most Airbus models, and as far as I know, is unique to them as a manufacturer.
 
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Re: Telling the 321LR and 757 apart

Sat Apr 01, 2017 4:30 am

The gorgeous one is the 757.
 
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Re: Telling the 321LR and 757 apart

Sat Apr 01, 2017 4:52 am

The 757 looks like a predatory bird getting ready to strike.
 
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Re: Telling the 321LR and 757 apart

Sat Apr 01, 2017 4:14 pm

EA CO AS wrote:
For me, the biggest giveaway is the vertical stabilizer. The tail of the B757 looks far more proportionate to the airframe itself than the comparatively stubby-looking tail on the A321 (all versions).


I agree the tail on A321 looks small for an aircraft that size.
 
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Re: Telling the 321LR and 757 apart

Sat Apr 01, 2017 4:36 pm

The 757 have a slightly taller landing gear and a more pointy nose. The A321 have larger front and rear doors, and huge cargo doors for containerized cargo handling.

The A321LR will just be an A321 with an extra fuel tank in the cargo compartment, with no visible differences to any other A321s manufactured from 2019 and onwards. The reason the A321LR is not available before 2019 is because of the new door configuration for the A321 and the MTOW increase, among other things. These changes applies to all A321, not just the LR variant. Door 2 is permanently removed and door 3 moved further aft. Door 3 can be deactivated, and there will be two over-wing exits (one optional).

In the picture below the A321 is the one connected to the jet bridge, while the two others are 757s. It's an old picture. All new A321 have winglets.

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Re: Telling the 321LR and 757 apart

Sat Apr 01, 2017 4:47 pm

When you see an A321LR, you hear keesje leading a choir of cherubs. The 757? Crickets chirping. :D
 
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Re: Telling the 321LR and 757 apart

Sat Apr 01, 2017 4:52 pm

reidar76 wrote:

In the picture below the A321 is the one connected to the jet bridge, while the two others are 757s. It's an old picture. All new A321 have winglets.

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OMG. The OP is correct. The A321 and B757 do look similar.
 
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Re: Telling the 321LR and 757 apart

Sat Apr 01, 2017 6:17 pm

OP here. The ultimate question - you are trying to tell someone who is not an aviation nut how to tell the two part. I guess this extends to all 321s in a sense - how to tell the two apart if they are just looking at the aircraft. For instance, the above photo, to someone who does not know what flaps or winglets are, how would you tell them to tell them apart?
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Re: Telling the 321LR and 757 apart

Sat Apr 01, 2017 6:40 pm

cloudboy wrote:
OP here. The ultimate question - you are trying to tell someone who is not an aviation nut how to tell the two part. I guess this extends to all 321s in a sense - how to tell the two apart if they are just looking at the aircraft. For instance, the above photo, to someone who does not know what flaps or winglets are, how would you tell them to tell them apart?


The issue is that it's hard to describe the difference between comparing one to the other.

For example: if it has two engines, sharp, small winglets, and it's a widebody, it's probably an A330. If it's a widebody with two engines and blended winglets, it's probably a 767. (BTW, on approach when you don't have good size references, a 767 and a 737 look an awful lot alike).

But with the A320 vs. 757, one has a shorter tail than the other. One has smaller wings than the other. One has a droopier nose than the other. But you always need the other around to make the comparison.

In some contexts, even I have trouble telling the difference.
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Re: Telling the 321LR and 757 apart

Sat Apr 01, 2017 11:51 pm

Top line is flat to the APU exhaust? It's Airbus.
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Re: Telling the 321LR and 757 apart

Sun Apr 02, 2017 12:01 am

sixtyseven wrote:
Top line is flat to the APU exhaust? It's Airbus.


The 321 does have a bit of a curve to it. Which is one of the things that kicked off the "wait, how do you tell them apart" question. But one very obvious thing I missed - the 757 has a bogey landing gear while the 321 is just on pair.
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Re: Telling the 321LR and 757 apart

Thu Jun 01, 2017 3:56 pm

Wingtips56 wrote:
Do the windows and cabin floor of the A321 bend uphill at the stern, like the A300/310/330/340 (and I thought 320 family) do? I've been wading through photos but hardly any carriers still paint a cheat line to see for sure. (Some carriers swept their cheatlines up hill aft keeping with the window line while others kept the cheatline straight, front to back. The latter made it more obvious.)


That would be NO....and none of the Airbus narrow bodies do either. Nor does the A350 or A380.

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Re: Telling the 321LR and 757 apart

Thu Jun 01, 2017 4:30 pm

A320 family noses are quite a bit rounder than anything Boeing, if my memory serves me.
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Re: Telling the 321LR and 757 apart

Thu Jun 01, 2017 4:53 pm

To me one of the easiest ways to tell them apart is the doors. Airbus narrow body aircraft all have the viewing window to the side of the door, while Boeing the window is centered. The exterior handle is also another giveaway, Airbus are flush with the door and "hidden", Boeing will have the butterfly handle that pops out and rotates.
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Re: Telling the 321LR and 757 apart

Thu Jun 01, 2017 4:59 pm

Some ways I tell the difference

A321 -
Lower to the Ground
Larger Doors
Sharklets aren't fully painted, have a small metal strip towards front of aircraft
Nose
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Re: Telling the 321LR and 757 apart

Thu Jun 01, 2017 5:18 pm

Really? Is this really even a question....

What's the difference between an A380 and a 737 I struggle to tell most of the time!
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Re: Telling the 321LR and 757 apart

Thu Jun 01, 2017 6:01 pm

they do look similar. Im able to tell the difference right away by looking at the cockpit windows, and the doors. i think the 757 sits higher then the A321....?

I never liked the look of the A321 so pointing out the difference makes it even easier for me.
 
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Re: Telling the 321LR and 757 apart

Thu Jun 01, 2017 6:12 pm

I've long thought that the 757 looks as if it is at the junior end of big planes, whereas the A321 looks like a small plane that has been stretched almost beyond its limit. When seeing 757s on the approach to Heathrow with their four-wheel bogies and large-diameter engines, they give quite a different impression to the A321s, a much more substantial-looking machine.

Where I do have difficulty is distinguishing small Airbuses from 737s and other small two-engine planes such as the Embraer 170/175 and 190/195. I have to look at them with some care before I can be sure what they are. Now with the odd Bombardier C-series coming in, and the possibility of Sukhoi Superjets in the future (I doubt if we'll have many Comac C919s here) the chance for confusion is all the more.
 
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Re: Telling the 321LR and 757 apart

Thu Jun 01, 2017 6:17 pm

Different tails, different cockpit side windows, number of MLG wheels, different noses, and the obvious grey bare metal trim stabilizer area on the Airbus airplanes I'd say.
 
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Re: Telling the 321LR and 757 apart

Thu Jun 01, 2017 6:25 pm

kgaiflyer wrote:
reidar76 wrote:

In the picture below the A321 is the one connected to the jet bridge, while the two others are 757s. It's an old picture. All new A321 have winglets.

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"OMG. The OP is correct. The A321 and B757 do look similar."



The landing gear.

Okay - I see the difference now.
 
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Re: Telling the 321LR and 757 apart

Thu Jun 01, 2017 6:48 pm

To me, the most obvious element (that can be relatively easily described to a non-av person) is the fuselage at the tail. On the 757 it distinctly curves down to the rear, to the tail cone. On the A321 it is basically flat, level the entire length under the tail. Even then I would not be surprised if a non-av person still couldn't understand that. The bogey's are the easiest, but when you say "the 757 has a double bogey" they'll say "... wha'...?" If you say "it has four wheels (etc.)" they'll say "I only see two (or three)..."
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