Just read on twitter that Iran Air will take a ntu Turkish Airlines 777ER (TC-LJK), due to Turkish economic issues. Remember this is unconfirmed, but if true is huge news, especially after the aseman/boeing deal earlier on.
https://twitter.com/aviationirancom/sta ... 2593895425

Even though it is uncomfirmed and quite vague, I hope it will turn out to be true. They need new aircrafts as soon as possible. I will enjoy looking at this information as it evolves. Thanks for the news!

Keeping my fingers crossed. That would be an awesome sight with that giant Homa bird on the tail...

I'm sure TK wouldn't mind offloading more 77W's to Iran if they get decent $$$ for them.
Great to see that Iran has such an active aviation enthusiasts following.

TK is to take delivery of it and then sell it straight to IR. Could the US block that? I can see a shit storm brewing with Turkey if that happens and Erdogan is not a particularly stable individual.

Personally I think there's far too much politics to overcome for this to happen any time soon. Too many powerful heads in the political trough with their own personal agendas.

I'm sure that IranAir wants to get rid of the 747's, but are there any routes they have that really need the seating capacity of the 77W vs. a 777-200 or an A330?

Maybe they're desperate to sell this frame and are offering it for a comparable price to a new 777-200ER

I think we'll see a more deals like this, in the near future. I also think that time is ripe for Iran to be exploring the used market. EK, for one, may be looking to offload a bunch of good, used iron, instead of parking it.

77E/W's and 340's would be excellent workhorses for modernizing the Iranian fleets while waiting for the politicians to get it together, and it also would take the pressure off in case the new deals fall through.

According to plane spotters, its going to IR!

nimool wrote:

According to plane spotters, its going to IR!

Insert Tense breathing -

there are rumors of other TK aircraft leaving the fleet and going elsewhere (A321s in particular). my money would be on this not being the last move of this sort.

nimool wrote:

According to plane spotters, its going to IR!

You shouldn't read anything into that. Planespotters will have simply copied Cawby's tweet and posted it as fact. They have a long history of doing similar and it's come back to bite them on the ass on numerous occasions.

rnav2dlrey wrote:

there are rumors of other TK aircraft leaving the fleet and going elsewhere (A321s in particular). my money would be on this not being the last move of this sort.

Not a surprise at all, as Turkish tourism shrinks dramatically, if it comes to Germans its ca. 50% down from the 2014 figures. Erdogan ist doing his best to make matters worse for TK.

drdisque wrote:

I'm sure that IranAir wants to get rid of the 747's

They stopped operating 747s almost a year ago.

drdisque wrote:

I'm sure that IranAir wants to get rid of the 747's, but are there any routes they have that really need the seating capacity of the 77W vs. a 777-200 or an A330?

Maybe they're desperate to sell this frame and are offering it for a comparable price to a new 777-200ER

Yes they do. Their flights to the far east (Beijing and Kuala Lumpur) were regularly packed. Also their flights into Sweden, Amsterdam and london are usually full, so I could definitely see the need for the 77W.

AeroTyke wrote:

nimool wrote:

According to plane spotters, its going to IR!

You shouldn't read anything into that. Planespotters will have simply copied Cawby's tweet and posted it as fact. They have a long history of doing similar and it's come back to bite them on the ass on numerous occasions.

Really? didnt know that.
I hope it'd be true anyway!

na wrote:

rnav2dlrey wrote:

there are rumors of other TK aircraft leaving the fleet and going elsewhere (A321s in particular). my money would be on this not being the last move of this sort.

Not a surprise at all, as Turkish tourism shrinks dramatically, if it comes to Germans its ca. 50% down from the 2014 figures. Erdogan ist doing his best to make matters worse for TK.

TK also canceled their last 2 77W aircraft on order, and swapped them for 777F metal.

Can't wait for the day that IR can buy aircraft like any other airline. Politics should not affect passenger airlines.

Couple of thoughts.
1. It looks like for a number of years to come, Iran's fleet is going to look hodgepodge at best. With frames coming into the market that IR can now pick up (sanctions and trade bans prevented them, before, from picking up less-than-7-year old frames), I am sure that IR is right at the front of the line whenever one of these planes comes on the market.

2. A quick pick up like this is telling me that the financing issues that was plaguing the initial buy of planes by IR/other Iranian carriers is now either resolved or workarounds are working to secure the necessary financing.

3. If they are picking up the TK 773ER now, question is whether the maintenance folks in Tehran are ready? Is TK doing technical training with them or is Boeing right on the ground in Tehran now giving instruction?

Its going to be delivered next month guys!
http://painefield.blogspot.co.uk/2017/0 ... l?spref=tw

Assuming it will be delivered with an TK interior? 9 abreast I hope in Y?

Good to see that they will be taking delivery of Boeing a/c aswell. Will this be part of the grand 80-ish order? Or is this separate and doesn't it need to be approved first before this sale can go threw?

Dutchy wrote:

Good to see that they will be taking delivery of Boeing a/c aswell. Will this be part of the grand 80-ish order? Or is this separate and doesn't it need to be approved first before this sale can go threw?

I wouldn't be surprised if TK does the transaction on Iran Airs behalf

Has this been confirmed by anyone? (Iran air, TK, Boeing)? Either way, it's still great news! Can't wait to see it with the livery, and flying commercially!

Confirmed by whom? That blog site? Not saying it can't be true though.
It's a pitty for TK but at least it goes to IR who is more than desperate for new aircraft. Hope this will open the door for IR Boeing order. Maybe if IR is desperate enough and Boeing hasn't yet set their mind on ultimately killing off the 748i altogether, maybe we'll see a 748 order from IR (one can dream, can't one...). Not saying that desperation is the only selling point for the 748 but Boeing would definitely have a lot of negotiation power.

THY748i wrote:

Maybe if IR is desperate enough and Boeing hasn't yet set their mind on ultimately killing off the 748i altogether, maybe we'll see a 748 order from IR (one can dream, can't one...). Not saying that desperation is the only selling point for the 748 but Boeing would definitely have a lot of negotiation power.

It is indeed a possibility, but probability is extremely low. Iran air decided not to buy the a380 because the infrastructure isn't prepared for it, but also because they don't have enough demand for it. Even though the B747-8i has a bit less capacity, I think that Iran air's decision about the a380 probrably also applies to the 747-8. But, as you said, 'One can dream'...

Does this aircraft have the Turkish airlines interior fitted?

I really hope this happens, but I would worry that politics would get involved; presumably it would have to be delivered to TK and then, leased on, because if right wing hawks get wind of this, there will be all sorts to legal action to prevent it happening.

To be brutally honest if I was Iran I wouldn't give Boeing a second look seeing as how their congress has had such strong rhetoric directed at them.

kaitak wrote:

I really hope this happens, but I would worry that politics would get involved; presumably it would have to be delivered to TK and then, leased on, because if right wing hawks get wind of this, there will be all sorts to legal action to prevent it happening.

But Trump always talks about jobs, and boeing so far, whenever they have announced a deal with iranian airlines, they go on to talk about the amount of jobs the order will create. For the Aseman deal, they said it would sustain 18000 jobs. Surely IR would have a bigger impact on jobs considering the 777 orders are reducing, and will need orders to continue employing people.

IranianMan123 wrote:

kaitak wrote:

I really hope this happens, but I would worry that politics would get involved; presumably it would have to be delivered to TK and then, leased on, because if right wing hawks get wind of this, there will be all sorts to legal action to prevent it happening.

But Trump always talks about jobs, and boeing so far, whenever they have announced a deal with iranian airlines, they go on to talk about the amount of jobs the order will create. For the Aseman deal, they said it would sustain 18000 jobs. Surely IR would have a bigger impact on jobs considering the 777 orders are reducing, and will need orders to continue employing people.

Jobs is exactly why I think this deal will 100% be confirmed.

MileHFL400 wrote:

To be brutally honest if I was Iran I wouldn't give Boeing a second look seeing as how their congress has had such strong rhetoric directed at them.

My sentiments exactly, I'm surprised at how Iran did not waste a moment to jump int bed with Boeing, no self respect at all considering their detest for US at state level.

The deputy minister of Roads and Urban Planning has confirmed IR will take delivery of this 77W next month

http://en.mehrnews.com/news/124685/Firs ... -in-Tehran

https://financialtribune.com/articles/e ... in-a-month

Gaspard wrote:

It is indeed a possibility, but probability is extremely low. Iran air decided not to buy the a380 because the infrastructure isn't prepared for it, but also because they don't have enough demand for it. Even though the B747-8i has a bit less capacity, I think that Iran air's decision about the a380 probrably also applies to the 747-8. But, as you said, 'One can dream'...

The 747-8 is not so much bigger than a B777-300ER or B747-400...
Mahan Air operates the A340-600, which have similar dimentions...
I guess the 747-8 could operate normally in Iran.
Would be absolutely wonderful to see Iran Air picking up some 747-8s... I wonder why those Transaero-NTU birds didn't go to IR.

qf789 wrote:

The deputy minister of Roads and Urban Planning has confirmed IR will take delivery of this 77W next month

http://en.mehrnews.com/news/124685/Firs ... -in-Tehran

https://financialtribune.com/articles/e ... in-a-month

Fantastic news for the people of Iran. I for one cannot wait to see this aircraft in IR colours!

I also just saw an instagram post saying it will become EP-IQA. However we will get our answer for sure when the aircraft is painted

leleko747 wrote:

The 747-8 is not so much bigger than a B777-300ER or B747-400...
Mahan Air operates the A340-600, which have similar dimentions...
I guess the 747-8 could operate normally in Iran.
Would be absolutely wonderful to see Iran Air picking up some 747-8s... I wonder why those Transaero-NTU birds didn't go to IR.

I hope you're right. However, I still belive the 747-8 capacity is too high (even if it's not that much more than the 777-300er). I also think that if they wanted to take some, it would have been included in the order signed earlier by Iran air and Boeing.

IranianMan123 wrote:

qf789 wrote:

The deputy minister of Roads and Urban Planning has confirmed IR will take delivery of this 77W next month

http://en.mehrnews.com/news/124685/Firs ... -in-Tehran

https://financialtribune.com/articles/e ... in-a-month

Fantastic news for the people of Iran. I for one cannot wait to see this aircraft in IR colours!

Indeed incredible news!!! This is good for Iran air, but also for travellers, and plane spotters!! Looking fowards to seing this beautifull aircraft in Iran air's colors...
Where do you reckon we would see it fly to? Do you believe it would be more regional flying (like the a330s currently)? Or maybe already flying to LHR, FRA etc...?
If anyone has info regarding the first destinations, please let me know!

Gaspard wrote:

IranianMan123 wrote:

qf789 wrote:

The deputy minister of Roads and Urban Planning has confirmed IR will take delivery of this 77W next month

http://en.mehrnews.com/news/124685/Firs ... -in-Tehran

https://financialtribune.com/articles/e ... in-a-month

Fantastic news for the people of Iran. I for one cannot wait to see this aircraft in IR colours!

Indeed incredible news!!! This is good for Iran air, but also for travellers, and plane spotters!! Looking fowards to seing this beautifull aircraft in Iran air's colors...
Where do you reckon we would see it fly to? Do you believe it would be more regional flying (like the a330s currently)? Or maybe already flying to LHR, FRA etc...?
If anyone has info regarding the first destinations, please let me know!

The a330s are only flying in Iran at the moment for training and experience.Im sure once training is over, they will move to international routes. The same will probably happen with the 777

The 777 will soon be flown to Victorville, for repainting, before being ferried to Tehran

leleko747 wrote:

Gaspard wrote:

It is indeed a possibility, but probability is extremely low. Iran air decided not to buy the a380 because the infrastructure isn't prepared for it, but also because they don't have enough demand for it. Even though the B747-8i has a bit less capacity, I think that Iran air's decision about the a380 probrably also applies to the 747-8. But, as you said, 'One can dream'...

The 747-8 is not so much bigger than a B777-300ER or B747-400...
Mahan Air operates the A340-600, which have similar dimentions...
I guess the 747-8 could operate normally in Iran.
Would be absolutely wonderful to see Iran Air picking up some 747-8s... I wonder why those Transaero-NTU birds didn't go to IR.

Makes me think so too. I also wonder if Boeing can do a deal for CN 1435 which was supposed to go to LH, CN 1446 (meant for previous Saudi Crown Prince Bin Abdulaziz Al Saud who passed away in 2011) and CN 1495 (meant for Abu Dhabi Amiri Flight, order was cancelled in 2016)

More articles comfirming and talking about it!
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran- ... 7C0HT?il=0
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... sh-436068/

Gaspard wrote:

More articles comfirming and talking about it!
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran- ... 7C0HT?il=0
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... sh-436068/

In fairness, those links are not "confirming" it and nor do any of the previous links confirm it either. The links above are simply citing the Iran deputy minister for roads and infrastructure (ie. nothing to do with aviation) who said it was a done deal. The other links are merely quoting some random blog sites and twitter posts. There has not been any OFFICIAL source posted, such as from Boeing nor the airline themselves, Iran Air. Why not if it's a done deal? And unless I've missed the announcement, the US Government has still not given the green light for US companies to do business with Iran yet either.

AeroTyke wrote:

Gaspard wrote:

More articles comfirming and talking about it!
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran- ... 7C0HT?il=0
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... sh-436068/

In fairness, those links are not "confirming" it and nor do any of the previous links confirm it either. The links above are simply citing the Iran deputy minister for roads and infrastructure (ie. nothing to do with aviation) who said it was a done deal. The other links are merely quoting some random blog sites and twitter posts. There has not been any OFFICIAL source posted, such as from Boeing nor the airline themselves, Iran Air. Why not if it's a done deal? And unless I've missed the announcement, the US Government has still not given the green light for US companies to do business with Iran yet either.

First of all Iran Air rarely publishes press-releases themselves or on their website and it usually goes through official Iranian news sources.
Secondly It's going to be ferried for repainting to Victorville on April 13th, so we'll know very soon if this is true or not.
Thirdly - Iran Air has received all 80 OFAC licenses for these Boeing planes and Boeing has already received permission to do business with Iran officially.

AeroTyke wrote:

Gaspard wrote:

More articles comfirming and talking about it!
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran- ... 7C0HT?il=0
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... sh-436068/

In fairness, those links are not "confirming" it and nor do any of the previous links confirm it either. The links above are simply citing the Iran deputy minister for roads and infrastructure (ie. nothing to do with aviation) who said it was a done deal. The other links are merely quoting some random blog sites and twitter posts. There has not been any OFFICIAL source posted, such as from Boeing nor the airline themselves, Iran Air. Why not if it's a done deal? And unless I've missed the announcement, the US Government has still not given the green light for US companies to do business with Iran yet either.

Asghar Fakhrieh Kashan is the deputy transport minister of Iran. So im sure he would know about Iran Airs deals, coinsidering the airline is state run. Also, the Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) of the U.S. Department of the Treasury issued Boeing and Airbus the required permit for selling their accorded 180 airplanes. The government has been quiet about this because of the possible reactions from members of congress. Here is a link supporting me http://www.tehrantimes.com/news/412486/ ... in-a-month

Gaspard wrote:

leleko747 wrote:

The 747-8 is not so much bigger than a B777-300ER or B747-400...
Mahan Air operates the A340-600, which have similar dimentions...
I guess the 747-8 could operate normally in Iran.
Would be absolutely wonderful to see Iran Air picking up some 747-8s... I wonder why those Transaero-NTU birds didn't go to IR.

I hope you're right. However, I still belive the 747-8 capacity is too high (even if it's not that much more than the 777-300er). I also think that if they wanted to take some, it would have been included in the order signed earlier by Iran air and Boeing.

Unfortunately in an interview with airliners.de in january Iran Air's CEO Farhad Parvaresh confirmed that IR has no plans to order either B748 or A380 right now as the infrastructure in Iran at least for the A380 is not ready. He literally said: "We currently have no plans to order Boeing 747-8 or A380. Maybe in the future, we'll see." So I guess it's highly unlikely IR orders the 748.

CanadaFair wrote:

MileHFL400 wrote:

To be brutally honest if I was Iran I wouldn't give Boeing a second look seeing as how their congress has had such strong rhetoric directed at them.

My sentiments exactly, I'm surprised at how Iran did not waste a moment to jump int bed with Boeing, no self respect at all considering their detest for US at state level.

How much of that is detest, and how much of it is for public consumption (on both sides). The more ties Iran has with the west, the harder it becomes to sanction them in the future.

AeroTyke wrote:

Gaspard wrote:

More articles comfirming and talking about it!
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran- ... 7C0HT?il=0
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... sh-436068/

In fairness, those links are not "confirming" it and nor do any of the previous links confirm it either. The links above are simply citing the Iran deputy minister for roads and infrastructure (ie. nothing to do with aviation) who said it was a done deal. The other links are merely quoting some random blog sites and twitter posts. There has not been any OFFICIAL source posted, such as from Boeing nor the airline themselves, Iran Air. Why not if it's a done deal? And unless I've missed the announcement, the US Government has still not given the green light for US companies to do business with Iran yet either.

We will find out soon, the plane will fly to Victorville anyway for a visit to the paint shop. So in 2-3 weeks, the paint job will reveal the customer.

My guess is that we'll see the 777 flying to destinations like FRA and LHR (after familiarization on regional routes). I believe that those are their busiest international routes.

cledaybuck wrote:

CanadaFair wrote:

MileHFL400 wrote:

To be brutally honest if I was Iran I wouldn't give Boeing a second look seeing as how their congress has had such strong rhetoric directed at them.

My sentiments exactly, I'm surprised at how Iran did not waste a moment to jump int bed with Boeing, no self respect at all considering their detest for US at state level.

How much of that is detest, and how much of it is for public consumption (on both sides). The more ties Iran has with the west, the harder it becomes to sanction them in the future.

It may be to their advantage but they should have held back from dealing with Boeing for atleast a year,, with Trump on his humiliation spree it would have made even better sense not to indulge, where did the pride, self respect and dignity go? its like they were literally salivating for an opportunity to get coy with US again, I recall Ahmedinijad had requested Iran Air flights to New York and Los Angeles, all the while spewing anti-US rhetoric.

CanadaFair wrote:

cledaybuck wrote:

CanadaFair wrote:

My sentiments exactly, I'm surprised at how Iran did not waste a moment to jump int bed with Boeing, no self respect at all considering their detest for US at state level.

How much of that is detest, and how much of it is for public consumption (on both sides). The more ties Iran has with the west, the harder it becomes to sanction them in the future.

It may be to their advantage but they should have held back from dealing with Boeing for atleast a year,, with Trump on his humiliation spree it would have made even better sense not to indulge, where did the pride, self respect and dignity go? its like they were literally salivating for an opportunity to get coy with US again, I recall Ahmedinijad had requested Iran Air flights to New York and Los Angeles, all the while spewing anti-US rhetoric.

You never know what's going on behind the scenes these days!