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Re: Iran Air to take TC-LJK (77W)

Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:53 am

Hello everyone,
It looks like that today (April 17th) the 777 will be ferried to victorville for repainting into Iran Air colours
https://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/853830402405875713
 
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Re: Iran Air to take TC-LJK (77W)

Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:58 am

I wonder if Emirates could do some wet leasing for Iran Air for a while instead of parking aircraft. It could be a win/win for both parties.
 
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Re: Iran Air to take TC-LJK (77W)

Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:54 am

How long does it usually take for an aircraft to be painted?
 
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Re: Iran Air to take TC-LJK (77W)

Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:57 am

Gaspard wrote:
How long does it usually take for an aircraft to be painted?

About 5 to 10 days depending on how big the aircraft and how many people are working on painting the aircraft.
 
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Re: Iran Air to take TC-LJK (77W)

Mon Apr 17, 2017 12:06 pm

TheGeordielad wrote:
About 5 to 10 days depending on how big the aircraft and how many people are working on painting the aircraft.

Thanks. I'll be keeping my eyes open for the pictures.
 
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Re: Iran Air to take TC-LJK (77W)

Mon Apr 17, 2017 1:15 pm

TheGeordielad wrote:
Gaspard wrote:
How long does it usually take for an aircraft to be painted?

About 5 to 10 days depending on how big the aircraft and how many people are working on painting the aircraft.

I think that's the time for a first time painted aircraft. in this case, they need to remove the Turkish Air livery first before applying the Iran Air livery. I don't have an estimate for 777s but 787s take up to 28 days to complete that process.
 
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Re: Iran Air to take TC-LJK (77W)

Mon Apr 17, 2017 1:28 pm

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
TheGeordielad wrote:
Gaspard wrote:
How long does it usually take for an aircraft to be painted?

About 5 to 10 days depending on how big the aircraft and how many people are working on painting the aircraft.

I think that's the time for a first time painted aircraft. in this case, they need to remove the Turkish Air livery first before applying the Iran Air livery. I don't have an estimate for 777s but 787s take up to 28 days to complete that process.

Yeah I was talking about the first time but it's unlikely to take up to 28 days.
 
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Re: Iran Air to take TC-LJK (77W)

Mon Apr 17, 2017 4:18 pm

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
TheGeordielad wrote:
Gaspard wrote:
How long does it usually take for an aircraft to be painted?

About 5 to 10 days depending on how big the aircraft and how many people are working on painting the aircraft.

I think that's the time for a first time painted aircraft. in this case, they need to remove the Turkish Air livery first before applying the Iran Air livery. I don't have an estimate for 777s but 787s take up to 28 days to complete that process.


At Airbus they managed to do it under 2 weeks with the A332 that was already in full Avianca colors... Boeing can't be that much slower...
 
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Re: Iran Air to take TC-LJK (77W)

Mon Apr 17, 2017 6:29 pm

Which Avianca A332 was this?
 
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Re: Iran Air to take TC-LJK (77W)

Mon Apr 17, 2017 6:35 pm

skipness1E wrote:
Which Avianca A332 was this?


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Re: Iran Air to take TC-LJK (77W)

Mon Apr 17, 2017 8:32 pm

peterinlisbon wrote:
I wonder if Emirates could do some wet leasing for Iran Air for a while instead of parking aircraft. It could be a win/win for both parties.



EK has not been parking any
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Re: Iran Air to take TC-LJK (77W)

Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:08 pm

You know this 777 Iran Air deal is dead. TK decided not to sell it to them.
 
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Re: Iran Air to take TC-LJK (77W)

Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:10 pm

BravoOne wrote:
You know this 777 Iran Air deal is dead. TK decided not to sell it to them.


That airplane is Boeing property as it was never delivered to TK.
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Re: Iran Air to take TC-LJK (77W)

Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:10 pm

BravoOne wrote:
You know this 777 Iran Air deal is dead. TK decided not to sell it to them.

I haven't heard that. I'd enjoy knowing where you know that from.
 
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Re: Iran Air to take TC-LJK (77W)

Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:43 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
BravoOne wrote:
You know this 777 Iran Air deal is dead. TK decided not to sell it to them.


That airplane is Boeing property as it was never delivered to TK.


You are correct, but I still think it will wind up on the TK ramp.
 
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Re: Iran Air to take TC-LJK (77W)

Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:45 pm

According to this TK website, the final decision is to be made tomorrow: (In Turkish)
http://www.kokpit.aero/karar-yarin
I wonder why? So, it seems like TK still interested in taking delivery of this frame. What could be TK's position here? A discount? less charges for deferred MAX deliveries? A discount on the future 77X orders? I guess TK figured out IR wants this frame ASAP and trying to get something out of it :)
 
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Re: Iran Air to take TC-LJK (77W)

Thu Apr 20, 2017 4:08 pm

I suspect, but don't know that if the airplane actually still belongs to Boeing that there might be banking restrictions that are still in place that prevent that at this time??
 
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Re: Iran Air to take TC-LJK (77W)

Thu Apr 20, 2017 4:18 pm

What else would the plane be doing in VCV?
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Re: Iran Air to take TC-LJK (77W)

Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:21 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
What else would the plane be doing in VCV?



You have seen the airplane in VCV or just heard that it was going down their?
 
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Re: Iran Air to take TC-LJK (77W)

Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:23 pm

BravoOne wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
What else would the plane be doing in VCV?



You have seen the airplane in VCV or just heard that it was going down their?


It flew there just a few days ago.

Edit: Unless the aircraft never went? I haven't been following it too closely.
 
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Re: Iran Air to take TC-LJK (77W)

Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:36 pm

TK787 wrote:
According to this TK website, the final decision is to be made tomorrow: (In Turkish)
http://www.kokpit.aero/karar-yarin
I wonder why? So, it seems like TK still interested in taking delivery of this frame. What could be TK's position here? A discount? less charges for deferred MAX deliveries? A discount on the future 77X orders? I guess TK figured out IR wants this frame ASAP and trying to get something out of it :)


Is TK even in a position to take any more 777? From what I've been reading I thought they wanted to dispose of aircraft
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Re: Iran Air to take TC-LJK (77W)

Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:58 pm

MileHFL400 wrote:
TK787 wrote:
According to this TK website, the final decision is to be made tomorrow: (In Turkish)
http://www.kokpit.aero/karar-yarin
I wonder why? So, it seems like TK still interested in taking delivery of this frame. What could be TK's position here? A discount? less charges for deferred MAX deliveries? A discount on the future 77X orders? I guess TK figured out IR wants this frame ASAP and trying to get something out of it :)


Is TK even in a position to take any more 777? From what I've been reading I thought they wanted to dispose of aircraft



The flight to VCV was set for Friday the and it was canceled as the deal was off. I'm sure Boeing wants its money and TK probably wants to see it gone as well, so that leaves the US Government involvement as the prime suspect. Keep in mimd that just don't send somebody a new 777 without months of preparation both regulatory and internal. Its not like turning on a faucet. Iran has placed lot of restrictions on the scheduled deliveries so one would think that they still don't exist for this airframe. I still think the banking issues I mentioned earlier may be a factor in this deal, no matter how it turns out. I guess Iran Air could put 140M on a pallet and ship it to Boeing like we did for Iran:)
 
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Re: Iran Air to take TC-LJK (77W)

Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:02 pm

BravoOne wrote:
MileHFL400 wrote:
TK787 wrote:
According to this TK website, the final decision is to be made tomorrow: (In Turkish)
http://www.kokpit.aero/karar-yarin
I wonder why? So, it seems like TK still interested in taking delivery of this frame. What could be TK's position here? A discount? less charges for deferred MAX deliveries? A discount on the future 77X orders? I guess TK figured out IR wants this frame ASAP and trying to get something out of it :)


Is TK even in a position to take any more 777? From what I've been reading I thought they wanted to dispose of aircraft



The flight to VCV was set for Friday the and 14th and it was canceled as the deal was off. I'm sure Boeing wants its money and TK probably wants to see it gone as well, so that leaves the US Government involvement as the prime suspect. Keep in mimd that just don't send somebody a new 777 without months of preparation both regulatory and internal. Its not like turning on a faucet. Iran has placed lot of restrictions on the scheduled deliveries so one would think that they still don't exist for this airframe. I still think the banking issues I mentioned earlier may be a factor in this deal, no matter how it turns out. I guess Iran Air could put 140M on a pallet and ship it to Boeing like we did for Iran:)


Just finding place to train the initial crews could be a big problem. not to mention all the other support required on short notice.
 
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Re: Iran Air to take TC-LJK (77W)

Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:26 pm

After just having watched the national news I'm convinced that the Trump administration put the axe to this deal and if I were betting,I doubt that Iran will see any new Boeings in their fleet anytime soon. Just my opinion so it and five buck will get you a Starbucks, but not much more .
 
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Re: Iran Air to take TC-LJK (77W)

Fri Apr 21, 2017 6:37 am

BravoOne wrote:
The flight to VCV was set for Friday the and it was canceled as the deal was off. I'm sure Boeing wants its money and TK probably wants to see it gone as well, so that leaves the US Government involvement as the prime suspect. Keep in mimd that just don't send somebody a new 777 without months of preparation both regulatory and internal. Its not like turning on a faucet. Iran has placed lot of restrictions on the scheduled deliveries so one would think that they still don't exist for this airframe. I still think the banking issues I mentioned earlier may be a factor in this deal, no matter how it turns out. I guess Iran Air could put 140M on a pallet and ship it to Boeing like we did for Iran:)


The introduction of a new widebody aircraft in the fleet does indeed require months of preparations, yet IR managed to introduce 2 A330s on short notice. Crews had a short training at Airbus in Hamburg.
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Re: Iran Air to take TC-LJK (77W)

Fri Apr 21, 2017 7:02 am

Perhaps TK could take delivery of this 77W and do the business of selling it to IR on it's own soil in IST or another neutral country, and pride the crew training and infrastructure that'll go with it.
 
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Re: Iran Air to take TC-LJK (77W)

Fri Apr 21, 2017 8:27 am

The introduction of a new widebody aircraft in the fleet does indeed require months of preparations, yet they managed to introduce 2 A330s on short notice. Crews had a short training at Airbus in Hamburg.


But the fact is that IR had plenty of a320 cockpit crew in their fleet, and you know better than I do how long (rather, how short) it takes to have 330 Type Training when you are coming from the 320 cockpit. Cabin crew is not a very major problem, if you have a trained purser under hand. And since hose two 332 were basically brand new (having never flown a single commercial passenger flight), ground maintenance staff is at minimum and more can be trained over the time...

But in case of a brand new Boeing T7, that scenario is completely different!... The most advanced Boeing ER cockpit that Iran has ever seen is the 747 cockpit. What were they planning, if this deal went through? Hire crews from TK and/or from ME3 (or SV??? HE-He) to fly T7s? I doubt there may even be a single Iran pilot (under Iran nationality) having a T7 Type license, currently... When TK first started with T7, before taking delivery of their own frames, they leased 6 individual Jet AWs frames in two phases and in the initial phase the cockpit crews came totally from Jet AW (Indian or another nationality, whatever!...)
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Re: Iran Air to take TC-LJK (77W)

Fri Apr 21, 2017 7:30 pm

Hello everyone, contrary to what some people are saying, the deal for Iran Air to take this aircraft is still on. The only reason for it not flying to victorville yet is that Iran Air representatives only arrived 2 days ago to check the aircraft and are gaining more experience in the pilot training facilities before they take the aircraft. Here are 2 links that support me : http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost. ... count=2957
http://painefield.blogspot.co.uk/2017/0 ... ref=tw&m=1
 
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Re: Iran Air to take TC-LJK (77W)

Sat Apr 22, 2017 3:07 pm

According to the painefield blog, the TK-Iran Air deal is dead. TK decided to take TC-LJK.

http://painefield.blogspot.com/2017/04/ ... or-tc.html
 
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Re: Iran Air to take TC-LJK (77W)

Sat Apr 22, 2017 4:08 pm

hayzel777 wrote:
According to the painefield blog, the TK-Iran Air deal is dead. TK decided to take TC-LJK.

http://painefield.blogspot.com/2017/04/ ... or-tc.html


Maybe its easier for TK to take it and sell it on to IR than for it to be sold to them direct by Boeing (banking-wise, politically or whatever)
 
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Re: Iran Air to take TC-LJK (77W)

Sat Apr 22, 2017 4:34 pm

The link saying the deal is over is from 12th the one saying its still on is from 20th April.
 
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Re: Iran Air to take TC-LJK (77W)

Sat Apr 22, 2017 6:25 pm

CanadaFair wrote:
The link saying the deal is over is from 12th the one saying its still on is from 20th April.

Pretty sure it says April 22.
 
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Re: Iran Air to take TC-LJK (77W)

Sat Apr 22, 2017 9:37 pm

JerseyFlyer wrote:
Maybe its easier for TK to take it and sell it on to IR than for it to be sold to them direct by Boeing (banking-wise, politically or whatever)

1) TK selling a T7 to Iran Air may still be against the USA sanctions. Why should TK take any risks and trouble itself?
2) Besides that, the said frame IS NOT TK's property. TK (like most of its factory-fresh planes, if not all and as many airline do...) is leasing them from a number of financial lessors!!! :whistleblower:
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Re: Iran Air to take TC-LJK (77W)

Sun Apr 23, 2017 1:24 am

CanadaFair wrote:
The link saying the deal is over is from 12th the one saying its still on is from 20th April.

The link I put is from the 22nd!
 
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Re: Iran Air to take TC-LJK (77W)

Sun Apr 23, 2017 12:18 pm

We will know for sure what is going on once it is finally delivered to an airline
 
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Re: Iran Air to take TC-LJK (77W)

Sun Apr 23, 2017 4:39 pm

Now he says the plane is going to Iran air! What is going on!
https://twitter.com/alirezaizadi9/statu ... 9831011328
 
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Re: Iran Air to take TC-LJK (77W)

Sun Apr 23, 2017 4:54 pm

IranianMan123 wrote:
Now he says the plane is going to Iran air! What is going on!
https://twitter.com/alirezaizadi9/statu ... 9831011328


Is he with the Iran Air media department? Does he represent IR at all? When IR makes it official, then we will know whats going on..
 
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Re: Iran Air to take TC-LJK (77W)

Sun Apr 23, 2017 10:17 pm

IranianMan123 wrote:
Hello everyone, contrary to what some people are saying, the deal for Iran Air to take this aircraft is still on. The only reason for it not flying to victorville yet is that Iran Air representatives only arrived 2 days ago to check the aircraft and are gaining more experience in the pilot training facilities before they take the aircraft. Here are 2 links that support me : http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost. ... count=2957
http://painefield.blogspot.co.uk/2017/0 ... ref=tw&m=1



I can tell you FOR SURE there no pilot training going of for Iran Air at this hour, so that is more wishful thinking by someone.
 
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Re: Iran Air to take TC-LJK (77W)

Mon Apr 24, 2017 9:07 am

BravoOne wrote:
I can tell you FOR SURE there no pilot training going of for Iran Air at this hour


That's right. According to the article linked above, crews are due to arrive this week.
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Re: Iran Air to take TC-LJK (77W)

Mon Apr 24, 2017 9:37 am

This deal is dead and confirmed by IR CEO - First delivery April 2018
 
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Re: Iran Air to take TC-LJK (77W)

Mon Apr 24, 2017 9:41 am

If the Trump administration blocked the deal, how will Boeing deliver by April 2018?
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Mon Apr 24, 2017 10:11 am

KarelXWB wrote:
BravoOne wrote:
I can tell you FOR SURE there no pilot training going of for Iran Air at this hour


That's right. According to the article linked above, crews are due to arrive this week.


Where are these crews "arriving" at?
 
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Re: Iran Air to take TC-LJK (77W)

Mon Apr 24, 2017 10:25 am

BravoOne wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
BravoOne wrote:
I can tell you FOR SURE there no pilot training going of for Iran Air at this hour


That's right. According to the article linked above, crews are due to arrive this week.


Where are these crews "arriving" at?


Not need to get catty, it seems like you are delighted IR will not be getting any Boeings.
 
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Re: Iran Air to take TC-LJK (77W)

Mon Apr 24, 2017 11:37 am

KarelXWB wrote:
If the Trump administration blocked the deal, how will Boeing deliver by April 2018?


The Boeing deal isn't dead, the purchase of TK TC-LJK is.
 
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Re: Iran Air to take TC-LJK (77W)

Mon Apr 24, 2017 11:38 am

CanadaFair wrote:
BravoOne wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:

That's right. According to the article linked above, crews are due to arrive this week.


Where are these crews "arriving" at?


Not need to get catty, it seems like you are delighted IR will not be getting any Boeings.


IRI will get them starting April 2018
 
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Re: Iran Air to take TC-LJK (77W)

Mon Apr 24, 2017 11:54 am

Okay, so yes AND no? Let's wait for some facts.
 
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Re: Iran Air to take TC-LJK (77W)

Mon Apr 24, 2017 12:02 pm

Noshow wrote:
Okay, so yes AND no? Let's wait for some facts.


The fact is that IR will receive it's first Boeing's in April 2018 and TC-LJK will go to TK.
 
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Mon Apr 24, 2017 12:11 pm

CanadaFair wrote:
BravoOne wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:

That's right. According to the article linked above, crews are due to arrive this week.


Where are these crews "arriving" at?


Not need to get catty, it seems like you are delighted IR will not be getting any Boeings.


Crazy remark. Actually I'm in favor of selling all the Boeings possible to IR as long as they are in compliance with previously agreed to terms. Some posters here are so giddy over this possible TK transfer they are simply not thinking this through and anyone who casts doubt is classified as an IR hater. Once again a stupid thought process. Get over it.

The fact is you cannot tell me where they would be trained and that remains a problem at the moment. Nothing catty about that.
 
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Re: Iran Air to take TC-LJK (77W)

Mon Apr 24, 2017 12:13 pm

BravoOne wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
BravoOne wrote:
I can tell you FOR SURE there no pilot training going of for Iran Air at this hour


That's right. According to the article linked above, crews are due to arrive this week.


Where are these crews "arriving" at?


Boeing's 777 pilot training facility, the article says.
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Re: Iran Air to take TC-LJK (77W)

Mon Apr 24, 2017 1:26 pm

That's the problem....IR is/was going to use the new Moscow training center but the 777 sim is not ready. You gotta stop believing everything you read on either the Internet or the Fake News these days.

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