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LGW-OAK inaugural? Pics?

Tue Apr 04, 2017 4:04 pm

Anyone get any pics/articles/anything on the LGW-OAK inaugural?

BA's been awfully quiet on it.

You'd think they'd at least play up the fact that San Francisco Bay is the only metro/CSA on this side of the planet that they serve via three different gateways!
I myself, suspect a more prosaic motive... ~Thranduil
 
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Tue Apr 04, 2017 4:38 pm

eaa3 wrote:
http://www.anna.aero/2017/03/30/anna-aero-helps-oakland-airport-celebrate-arrival-british-airways/
Well Covered!


The article says it operated with a 777-200, it has to be 777-200ER right?

I am pretty close to OAK airport, will try snap some pics of the Speedbird one of these days.
 
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Tue Apr 04, 2017 5:16 pm

OAK facebook page has a pic of the inaugural landing with downtown SF in background https://www.facebook.com/iflyoak/

Yesterday afternoon had DY 788 from ARN on the ground at the same time as the BA 772; BA departed with the DY 789 from LGW approaching from behind for landing. Terminal 1 going to be quite busy in afternoons most days now. Hopefully they finish the renovation work soon.
 
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Re: LGW-OAK inaugural? Pics?

Wed Apr 05, 2017 1:47 am

I hear that the loads have been pretty rough. Anyone with any insight?


KiloRomeoDelta wrote:
The article says it operated with a 777-200, it has to be 777-200ER right?

It was, as that's the only longhaul model that they fly from LGW... but doesn't logistically HAVE to be.

A 772A could fly LGW-OAK, if they wanted it to.
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Wed Apr 05, 2017 2:07 am

LAX772LR wrote:
I hear that the loads have been pretty rough. Anyone with any insight?

KiloRomeoDelta wrote:
The article says it operated with a 777-200, it has to be 777-200ER right?

It was, as that's the only longhaul model that they fly from LGW... but doesn't logistically HAVE to be.

A 772A could fly LGW-OAK, if they wanted it to.


3 of the first week's flights had over 200 revenue pax. The other 3 were about half full. BA has publicly stated its bookings are solid going forward, ahead of plan. Hope that helps.
 
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Wed Apr 05, 2017 2:34 am

AAflyguy wrote:
3 of the first week's flights had over 200 revenue pax. The other 3 were about half full. BA has publicly stated its bookings are solid going forward, ahead of plan. Hope that helps.

Ah, thanks.

I was hearing horror stories, like some of the flights going out with less than 70pax.
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Wed Apr 05, 2017 3:53 am

There were definitely a couple of light loads, but I don't think that has any bearing on the future popularity of the new route. It's just the start of Week 2 at this point, and the plane has 275 seats, so a lot of capacity. Also, Norwegian adds more frequency to the route this month, going to 5x weekly.
 
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Wed Apr 05, 2017 4:24 am

I'm not sure BA are that bothered about profitability here, the route only exists as a means to affect Norwegian's loads and revenue. They let easyJet grow at Gatwick which ate into their short haul market share, they're not prepared to let Norwegian do the same with long haul.

If Norwegian pulled out tomorrow, BA would pull out the day after. Same for FLL.
 
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Wed Apr 05, 2017 5:18 am

planesarecool wrote:
I'm not sure BA are that bothered about profitability here, the route only exists as a means to affect Norwegian's loads and revenue. They let easyJet grow at Gatwick which ate into their short haul market share, they're not prepared to let Norwegian do the same with long haul.

If Norwegian pulled out tomorrow, BA would pull out the day after. Same for FLL.


Not sure I'd agree with your second paragraph. If the route makes money they'll keep it irrespective of what Norwegian do.

The three opening week flights which went out with 200+ passengers are a good start at any rate. This is at least a 72% LF. OAK is easily the most convenient for a Cali-Oregon fly-drive holiday and also has its own catchment area.

This route could and should do well if marketed properly. BA need to hurry up and refurbish their ratchet old planes though. They're in poor shape inside; such was my last B772 LGW experience two years ago!

On FLL, it's likely this route will cater to cruise passengers and others on BA Holidays, a division which is apparently doing well. It's also more convenient than MIA for Central Florida as many on here point out. Plenty of wealthy people living on that stretch of coast.
 
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Wed Apr 05, 2017 7:38 am

BA Source shows BA have already cancelled one LGW - OAK rotation this week ( 4/4 ). That didn't take long !
Sorry but I feel this route should have been left to DY and BA should have tried LGW - BKK instead.
 
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Wed Apr 05, 2017 9:00 am

TC957 wrote:
BA Source shows BA have already cancelled one LGW - OAK rotation this week ( 4/4 ). That didn't take long !
Sorry but I feel this route should have been left to DY and BA should have tried LGW - BKK instead.


What is the process that BA goes through when they cancel flights? I'm referring to flights they cancel due to light loads. At what point to they decide to cancel the flight? 24 hours beforehand? Or do they wait until passengers get to the airport and transfer them onto other flights? Do these passengers get any sort of compensation?
 
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Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:09 am

I agree that BA are *just* trying to protect their 'long haul' home turf, and not give it away in the same manner they've carelessly done with EZY.

On a side note, OAK is getting quite busy 'internationally', LEVEL is also soon coming to the airport...
 
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Wed Apr 05, 2017 11:04 am

BA would ( or should at least ) text/email/call booked pax on cancelled flight advising them of such, and alternative arrangements made. That's the point of placing contact details in the booking process. I'm sure the existing LHR-SFO services absorbed the OAK-booked pax. Should BA have a LGW-based 777 out of service, I'm sure they'd look at cancelling the flight that would cause the least disruption to pax, not only in terms of booked numbers and loads but at travel alternatives. Plus other operational requirements.
 
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Wed Apr 05, 2017 12:33 pm

A bit unrelated. Just noticed that BA's flight numbers for these flights are BA2278 (OAK-LGW) and BA2279 (LGW-OAK). From what I've gathered, usually the home base airport gets assigned a number, then it's +1 for the return. Any idea why OAK is the originating number here?

I know there must be exceptions to things, but still interesting to know the logic.
 
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Wed Apr 05, 2017 12:42 pm

Aeroflot777 wrote:
A bit unrelated. Just noticed that BA's flight numbers for these flights are BA2278 (OAK-LGW) and BA2279 (LGW-OAK). From what I've gathered, usually the home base airport gets assigned a number, then it's +1 for the return. Any idea why OAK is the originating number here?

I know there must be exceptions to things, but still interesting to know the logic.


Actually BA does -1 on the return. Here at LAX it is 283/282 and 269/268 with the higher number on the outbound.
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Wed Apr 05, 2017 2:07 pm

B747forever wrote:
Actually BA does -1 on the return. Here at LAX it is 283/282 and 269/268 with the higher number on the outbound.


Learn something new everyday, thanks B747forever! Are there other airlines that do this? I've seen most majors usually follow +1.
 
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Wed Apr 05, 2017 2:15 pm

TC957 wrote:
BA Source shows BA have already cancelled one LGW - OAK rotation this week ( 4/4 ). That didn't take long !
Sorry but I feel this route should have been left to DY and BA should have tried LGW - BKK instead.


Actually two of the next three Tuesday services are not viewable and thus bookable via Google Flights, with Monday 22 May also not loaded. Could well be planned therefore, with pax switching to other flights. 4 weekly is ambitious to start with though.

It's also early in the season too, plus this is a new route which they haven't done enough marketing for it seems, so it will need time to grow. They need to offer very keen fares the first year and once their old birds have been refurbed next year with more modern interiors, improved IFE & higher capacity they'll be able to compete better.
 
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Wed Apr 05, 2017 2:28 pm

LHR-BKK already struggles, launching LGW-BKK would not help matters there, unless you think BKK should move across to LGW and drop LHR. But that's a BIG ask.
 
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Wed Apr 05, 2017 2:38 pm

skipness1E wrote:
LHR-BKK already struggles, launching LGW-BKK would not help matters there, unless you think BKK should move across to LGW and drop LHR. But that's a BIG ask.


Out of interest, has BKK always struggled for BA? Did they not use to fly B744's on the route 2 x daily, one ongoing to SYD and/or MEL? I know these days are over, what with QF now partnering with EK via DXB instead, but prior to this, wasn't BA more successful and generally, busier on this route?
 
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Wed Apr 05, 2017 2:43 pm

I suspect BA will announce LGW-BKK the moment DY does - should they do so that is of course. So why not get in first.
I tried to get a client back from BKK on BA in the next few days - all flights full......don't see much of a struggle for loads there !
 
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Wed Apr 05, 2017 3:04 pm

TC957 wrote:
I suspect BA will announce LGW-BKK the moment DY does - should they do so that is of course. So why not get in first.
I tried to get a client back from BKK on BA in the next few days - all flights full......don't see much of a struggle for loads there !


I wondered that too. Why do BA wait for EZY and DY to launch the flights first? Why won't they launch them first if they're going to anyway and establish themselves and potential passengers on the route?
 
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Wed Apr 05, 2017 3:37 pm

Not surprising there are some light loads for LGW-OAK with a spring start on a new route. One factor may be BA entirely ceding the O/W market to Norwegian. My parents are flying back June 6; their options were $700 for Norwegian premium or $1,820 BA economy. That still appears to be the case throughout summer. There are some decent RT/package deals, but it seems bizarre to me to not attempt at all to compete for O/W traffic.

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