TheGeordielad
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British Airways former Routes at Manchester

Sun Apr 16, 2017 4:27 pm

I know of New York JFK and Gatwick but are there anymore routes that were served including them of BA Connect?
 
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Re: British Airways former Routes at Manchester

Sun Apr 16, 2017 4:31 pm

There were lots of former routes from MAN, including

CDG
BRU
MAD
AMS
CPH
ARL (via CPH)
FCO
DUS
FRA
GVA
ZRH
DUB

There was LAX for a short period, may be one or two years

A LHR-HKG also started from MAN on occasions

Shortly after the BCal takeover, there was LGW-MAN-MCO

Then there were several domestics including

EDI
GLA
ABZ
SOU
IOM
LGW
LHR

Probably more, but I can't remember them all at the moment
 
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Re: British Airways former Routes at Manchester

Sun Apr 16, 2017 4:50 pm

Restricting to just BA, and not BEA/BOAC: Los Angeles (BA277/276), Barbados (BA255/254 from LGW), Orlando (BA237/236 from LGW, Islamabad (from LHR BA119/118 then from LGW BA2119/2118), Hong Kong (via Munich, Dubai and Bangkok in version 1 of the route which was BA22/21 which was operated by L1011s based at MAN and a LHR through-route in version 2 of the route - BA19/20 and a LGW through-route in version 3 of the route - BA35/36) The BCal route was BA7267/7268 (LGW-MAN-JFK and return)

Then we can have Athens, Munich, Berlin, Oslo, Zurich, Amsterdam, Brussels, Dusseldorf, Frankfurt, Madrid, Cork, Copenhagen, Oslo, Stockholm, Nice, Paris, Vienna, Warsaw.

Domestically, Stansted, Belfast City, Glasgow, Edinburgh, Aberdeen, Jersey and Southampton
 
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Re: British Airways former Routes at Manchester

Sun Apr 16, 2017 5:16 pm

David_itl wrote:
)Then we can have Athens, Munich, Berlin, Oslo, Zurich, Amsterdam, Brussels, Dusseldorf, Frankfurt, Madrid, Cork, Copenhagen, Oslo, Stockholm, Nice, Paris, Vienna, Warsaw.

Domestically, Stansted, Belfast City, Glasgow, Edinburgh, Aberdeen, Jersey and Southampton

So BA served all them from Manchester?
 
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Re: British Airways former Routes at Manchester

Sun Apr 16, 2017 5:19 pm

They flew Manchester to Belfast international in the 1990's. I didn't know they flew to Belfast city.
 
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Re: British Airways former Routes at Manchester

Sun Apr 16, 2017 5:27 pm

Pretty sure is was BA Connect who did Belfast City. Just though of one of the routes that was done was Cork-MAN-Rotterdam (same flight number all the way through)

TheGeordielad wrote:
So BA served all them from Manchester?


Yep. Hence when it was built, it was known as T3BA as it was 90% funded by MAN and 10% funded by BA with the never followed through intention of a working hub with the intention of 25 minute connections. Which is why it's a bit of mess now having FR catering to the masses when the projected flow of traffic would have been a lot less.
 
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Re: British Airways former Routes at Manchester

Sun Apr 16, 2017 5:37 pm

David_itl wrote:
Pretty sure is was BA Connect who did Belfast City. Just though of one of the routes that was done was Cork-MAN-Rotterdam (same flight number all the way through)

TheGeordielad wrote:
So BA served all them from Manchester?


Yep. Hence when it was built, it was known as T3BA as it was 90% funded by MAN and 10% funded by BA with the never followed through intention of a working hub with the intention of 25 minute connections. Which is why it's a bit of mess now having FR catering to the masses when the projected flow of traffic would have been a lot less.

Rights thanks that sort of explains why
Manchester T3 had British Airways on it.
 
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Re: British Airways former Routes at Manchester

Sun Apr 16, 2017 6:40 pm

BA inherited a host of Loganair/Manx/Brymon routes in the great amalgamation that ended in BACON. BFS was BA mainline BAC111/748/ATP, BHD was ex Logan/Manx via British Regional.
 
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Re: British Airways former Routes at Manchester

Sun Apr 16, 2017 8:19 pm

Summer 1994: -
* Aberdeen - up to 2 daily
* Amsterdam - up to 3 daily
* Barcelona - Tue/Thu/Sat
* Belfast International - up to 6 daily
* Berlin Tegel - six weekly (X6)
* Brussles - up to 3 daily
* Dusseldorf - 16 weekly
* Edinburgh - up to 3 daily
* Faro - Sun
* Frankfurt - 13 weekly
* Glasgow - up to 5 daily
* Geneva - daily
* Hanover - daily
* Jersey - 8 weekly
* London Gatwick - up to 5 daily
* London Heathrow - up to 11 daily
* Madrid - six weekly (X6)
* Malaga - Sat/Sun
* Milan Linate - up to 2 daily
* Munich - 11 weekly
* Nice - Sat
* Paris Charles de Gaulle - up to 5 daily
* Rome Fiumicino - Sat
Let's Go British Caledonian!
 
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Re: British Airways former Routes at Manchester

Sun Apr 16, 2017 8:27 pm

Im led to believe 747's even went to MAN at some point. And BA did BHX and GLA (or was it EDI?) to the USA at some point?
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Re: British Airways former Routes at Manchester

Sun Apr 16, 2017 8:41 pm

There was a B747 to ISB atone point, have a photo of a B744 with the world tail on T3 after arriving from ISB
 
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Re: British Airways former Routes at Manchester

Sun Apr 16, 2017 8:55 pm

Cork, Shannon and Derry were definitely served into the 2000s.

As said, ISB was a 742 - used to love watching that thing take off
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Re: British Airways former Routes at Manchester

Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:11 pm

"BA Regional" operated flights from MAN and BHX on BAC1-11 and then B737.
 
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Re: British Airways former Routes at Manchester

Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:52 pm

Arion640 wrote:
Im led to believe 747's even went to MAN at some point. And BA did BHX and GLA (or was it EDI?) to the USA at some point?

BHX and GLA (not EDI) to various -JFK, EWR, BOS, YYZ
 
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Re: British Airways former Routes at Manchester

Sun Apr 16, 2017 10:00 pm

Thanks everyone this really helped!
 
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Re: British Airways former Routes at Manchester

Sun Apr 16, 2017 10:35 pm

User001 wrote:
There was a B747 to ISB atone point, have a photo of a B744 with the world tail on T3 after arriving from ISB


Reading the thread it sounds like I was correcting you by saying it was a 742, but I wasn't. I saw 742 at MAN many times but didn't realise they flew 744s from MAN. How long did that last?
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Re: British Airways former Routes at Manchester

Sun Apr 16, 2017 11:16 pm

Not long, there are surpirisingly few photos but seen some magazine pics of World Tail B744s on 44 middle at T3 operating the LGW-MAN-ISB run ( BA118?)
 
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Re: British Airways former Routes at Manchester

Mon Apr 17, 2017 1:32 am

Any update on BA taking over MAN-ORD/JFK?
 
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Re: British Airways former Routes at Manchester

Mon Apr 17, 2017 2:01 am

Lofty wrote:
"BA Regional" operated flights from MAN and BHX on BAC1-11 and then B737.


The plan circa-1999 was for BHX and MAN to become A318/319 operations. BA ordered something like 40 A318s for the regional bases and the initial A319 deliveries were based at BHX.

A perfect storm of 9/11 affecting BA's core Trans Atlantic network and the growth of LCCs in the late 90s/early 00s saw virtually all mainline aircraft pulled from MAN and BHX as Rod Eddington aggressively shed non-core assets. The MAN and BHX bases were unfortunately both loss making ventures. Other than LHR, LGW and JFK, MAN and BHX became exclusively BA Citiexpress then BA Connect before the whole thing was offloaded to FlyBe.
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Re: British Airways former Routes at Manchester

Mon Apr 17, 2017 2:34 am

Here is a link to BA's route list from June 2000. At the time BA served 40 destinations from MAN. This might have been the peak of BA's non-London network.

http://web.archive.org/web/200006212058 ... _rte.shtml
 
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Re: British Airways former Routes at Manchester

Mon Apr 17, 2017 4:14 am

TWA85 wrote:
Here is a link to BA's route list from June 2000. At the time BA served 40 destinations from MAN. This might have been the peak of BA's non-London network.

http://web.archive.org/web/200006212058 ... _rte.shtml


That link is fascinating! I had completely forgotten that all of the South American and African routes (apart from South Africa) were operated from LGW instead of LHR. Also incredible to see how many routes have been cut to those regions; BOG, CCS, HRE, LLW, EBB, DAR, LUN, SEZ. Admittedly Lusaka, Dar and Entebbe were served from Heathrow until relatively recently. Also interesting that they didn't serve Rio at the time.

It mentions Dubai as a destination from Manchester. I'm pretty certain that BA never operated MAN-DXB on their own metal but rather codeshared with EK at the time. I remember the BA/EK co-branded checkin desks in the then-new Terminal 3.
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Re: British Airways former Routes at Manchester

Mon Apr 17, 2017 5:14 am

Flew MAN-OSL in early 2003, was then operated by ERJ-145
 
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Re: British Airways former Routes at Manchester

Mon Apr 17, 2017 7:01 am

RyanairGuru wrote:
TWA85 wrote:
Here is a link to BA's route list from June 2000. At the time BA served 40 destinations from MAN. This might have been the peak of BA's non-London network.

http://web.archive.org/web/200006212058 ... _rte.shtml



It mentions Dubai as a destination from Manchester. I'm pretty certain that BA never operated MAN-DXB on their own metal but rather codeshared with EK at the time. I remember the BA/EK co-branded checkin desks in the then-new Terminal 3.


That's my recollection of BA/EK DXB - MAN. Though not totally thread related, at the same time EK codeshared with BA on AUH-LHR using BA metal.
 
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Re: British Airways former Routes at Manchester

Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:49 am

nomorerjs wrote:
Any update on BA taking over MAN-ORD/JFK?

BA could take them over from 2018 or 2019 from what I heard.Ba ceo a few months ago that BA wasn't going to do long haul from MAN straight away.
 
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Re: British Airways former Routes at Manchester

Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:24 am

hynithuchi wrote:
rrapynot wrote:
Off topic, but EI had a hub at MAN for a while. My memory might be failing me but I think I flew MAN-CDG and MAN-BRU in the early or mid nineties.

Correct, you can add MAN-ZRH to that.

Let's not get off topic.
 
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Re: British Airways former Routes at Manchester

Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:54 am

Did BA ever manage to turn a profit on MAN/BHX routes? Ever ever?
 
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Re: British Airways former Routes at Manchester

Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:19 pm

Unless you want to pour over confidential internal records you cannot tell which BA centres made or lost money when operating out of MAN/BHX or the reasons why.

However, it is a matter of record that BAs biggest loss since privatisation occurred after the retreat to LHR from the regions (i.e. 2-3 years after the financial crash).

This proves little other than LHR is not a bottomless money pit and BA was a different animal back then, making losses everywhere.
 
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Re: British Airways former Routes at Manchester

Tue Apr 18, 2017 2:07 pm

Off the top of my head, I remember 747s to LAX, Hong Kong, Karachi, Islamabad, possibly Delhi?.. And TriStars to JFK.

Plus lots of 737s on intra European flights, and even the occasional 757... to SVO I think?
Then the 748s..the 1-11s... The ex-Brymon Dash-7s... And going back the Tridents, the VC10s... The summer charters to Malta, Rimini, Palma, Malaga...
 
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Re: British Airways former Routes at Manchester

Tue Apr 18, 2017 4:28 pm

These are the direct flights from Manchester listed in the BA Summer 1993 Timetable:

ABZ: BA5780, BA5782, BA2006 (737), BA5788 (23 weekly by ATP except '06)
AGP: BA5046 (2 weekly by 737)
AMS: BA5824, BA5028, BA5030 ((18 weekly by 737)
BCN: BA5044 (6 weekly by 737)
BFS: BA5280, BA5282, BA5284, BA5286, BA5288, BA5292 (45 weekly by ATP)
BRU: BA5016, BA5018, BA5020 (17 weekly by 737)
CDG: BA5002, BA5010, BA5004, BA6006, BA5008 (31 weekly by 737)
CPH: BA5106 (7 weekly)
DUS: BA5128, BA5134 (13 weekly by 737)
EDI: BA5760, BA5766 (11 weekly by ATP)
FAO: BA5052 (1 weekly by 737
FRA: BA5146, BA5152 (14 weekly by 737)
GIB: GT802 ( I or 2 weekly operated by BB Airways 737)
GLA: BA5730, BA5732, BA5736, BA5611, BA5738 (28 weekly by ATP)
ISB: BA119 (2 weekly by 747)
JER: BA5262, BA5770, BA5264, BA5268 (8 weekly 5 by ATP, 3 by 737)
JFK: BA183 (7 weekly by 767)
LAX: BA277 (4 weekly by 767)
LGW: BA2001, BA2003, BA2005, BA2007, BA2009 (33 weekly by 737)
LHR: BA4403, BA4413, BA4423, BA4433, BA4443, BA4463, BA4483, BA4503, BA4513, BA4423, BA4433 (64 weekly, 59 by 757, 5 by 737)
LIN: BA5058, BA5060 (12 weekly by 737)
LSI (Sumburgh): BA5780, BA5782 (10 / 11 weekly by ATP)
MUC: BA5138, BA5140 (14 weekly by 737)
NCE: BA5014 (1 weekly by 757)

Excepting the flights to LGW and GIB all 737 flights were operated by 732s of British Airways Regional that, at that date, were painted in Landor livery but with 'British Airways Manchester' titles. These titles and the equivalent on the Birmingham based sub-fleet did not last for long. The problem arose on the return flight when BA Regional had substituted an aircraft from one sub-fleet to the other. Passengers booked to fly to Manchester got worried about boarding an aircraft with 'British Airways Birmingham' fuselage titles. So policy was changed and the Manchester based aircraft had their Manchester titles painted out. Instead of British rivers they were renamed after northwest England physical features including 'Trough of Bowland' and 'Delamere Forest' while one (G-BGDE) that had been named 'River Avon' became 'Pride of Manchester'.
 
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Re: British Airways former Routes at Manchester

Mon May 15, 2017 11:17 pm

What are the chances of BA getting a fleet of 15-20 A321NEOs and doing some basic trans-atlantic and middle-east flights from MAN or BHX?

JFK, IAD, BOS, MIA, MCO, DXB, AUH, TLV, DEL. All possible and viable on a BA A321NEO from MAN.
 
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Re: British Airways former Routes at Manchester

Tue May 16, 2017 5:57 am

kaitak744 wrote:
What are the chances of BA getting a fleet of 15-20 A321NEOs and doing some basic trans-atlantic and middle-east flights from MAN or BHX?

JFK, IAD, BOS, MIA, MCO, DXB, AUH, TLV, DEL. All possible and viable on a BA A321NEO from MAN.

I would think from Manchester adding 1 or 2 routes but not from BHX.

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