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Has Hawaiian Air started retiring their 717's?

Tue Apr 18, 2017 2:14 am

The 2nd 717 (55001) is now being stored at VCV. It cannot be close to its service life in hours or cycles having been built in 1998. Does anyone know what Hawaiian's plans are?
 
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Re: Has Hawaiian Air started retiring their 717's?

Tue Apr 18, 2017 2:31 am

Just got off of N490HA. There are no concrete plans in place to replace the 717s. In fact, it just got two more.
 
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Re: Has Hawaiian Air started retiring their 717's?

Tue Apr 18, 2017 2:37 am

HA has been looking to extend the life in their fleet of 717's by purchasing acceptable frames as they have come up. This frame you mention, likely will enter service when they need to replace another frame as it exits the fleet.
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Re: Has Hawaiian Air started retiring their 717's?

Tue Apr 18, 2017 2:52 am

Is there a particular reason that you think the aircraft in question is going to VCV for storage, rather than for paint at Leading Edge or other MRO service? (Leading Edge painted the Ohana aircraft, for example.)
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Re: Has Hawaiian Air started retiring their 717's?

Tue Apr 18, 2017 2:55 am

Theo else operates the 717 these days? How many does HA have? QF has 20, how many does DL have?
 
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Re: Has Hawaiian Air started retiring their 717's?

Tue Apr 18, 2017 3:06 am

n471wn wrote:
The 2nd 717 (55001) is now being stored at VCV. It cannot be close to its service life in hours or cycles having been built in 1998. Does anyone know what Hawaiian's plans are?


There are no imminent plans to retire the 717,so it's likely not going to storage. In fact, as mentioned, 2 more just joined the fleet. If I had to guess, it's gone to VCV for paint and/or maintenance.


smi0006 wrote:
Theo else operates the 717 these days? How many does HA have? QF has 20, how many does DL have?


HAL has 20 717s.
 
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Re: Has Hawaiian Air started retiring their 717's?

Tue Apr 18, 2017 3:24 am

My sources say it is at VCV in storage and not for paint and it is the high cycle 717 so not likely going to replace a less cycle a/c
 
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Re: Has Hawaiian Air started retiring their 717's?

Tue Apr 18, 2017 3:32 am

smi0006 wrote:
Theo else operates the 717 these days? How many does HA have? QF has 20, how many does DL have?

DL has 95 frames i believe and probably will add more..
 
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Re: Has Hawaiian Air started retiring their 717's?

Tue Apr 18, 2017 3:35 am

Hawaiian's oldest, N475HA might have 60000 cycles. The 717 is a DC-9, so the 110000 cycle limit applies. Plenty of years left.

Delta has 91 717s.
 
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Re: Has Hawaiian Air started retiring their 717's?

Tue Apr 18, 2017 4:09 am

n475HA had a touch over 58000 cycles in Jan. The airframe in the original post N488HA has less than 45000 cycles.
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Re: Has Hawaiian Air started retiring their 717's?

Tue Apr 18, 2017 4:20 am

Spacepope wrote:
n475HA had a touch over 58000 cycles in Jan. The airframe in the original post N488HA has less than 45000 cycles.


Thanks for the clarification but still cannot figure out why it is being stored
 
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Re: Has Hawaiian Air started retiring their 717's?

Tue Apr 18, 2017 4:51 am

n471wn wrote:
Thanks for the clarification but still cannot figure out why it is being stored


Have you seen it being mothballed?

Otherwise, I don't see why you think that just because it went to VCV that it is being stored. As I and others have mentioned, Leading Edge Aviation Services does painting for Hawaiian. Leading Edge has a facility at VCV. Ergo, the aircraft could be going for paint or heavy maintenance. Painting an aircraft that size usually takes less than two weeks, so I would look to see if we don't see it flying back to Hawaii in a few days.
 
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Re: Has Hawaiian Air started retiring their 717's?

Tue Apr 18, 2017 4:56 am

Maybe they sent it to get the rumored revised livery?
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Re: Has Hawaiian Air started retiring their 717's?

Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:35 am

haynflyer wrote:
Maybe they sent it to get the rumored revised livery?


If I remember correctly, HA has a planned announcement around the beginning of May wherein the new livery is to be presented. If that's the case, the timeline would add up. I'm sure someone will come around to educate us all soon enough.

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Re: Has Hawaiian Air started retiring their 717's?

Tue Apr 18, 2017 7:04 am

Yep HA is unveiling a new or updated livery around beginning of May with supposedly an A330 and 717. In fact, if you search Instagram there was a picture of what it will supposedly look like. That picture was of a GeminiJets model of an upcoming model release of an HA A330 and 717. The 717 model that is being released is N488HA. Apparently GeminiJets released the picture way too soon and got into trouble with HA. They quickly took the picture offline, but too late. So it looks like N488HA is now going in for painting in the new livery.
 
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Re: Has Hawaiian Air started retiring their 717's?

Tue Apr 18, 2017 7:20 am

"Updated" is a better description. It really isn't that different except for the stuff on the body of the aircraft. A few changes on the tail, but only ones that will be interesting to livery geeks; everyone else will think it's the same, but for the graphics on the body. Assuming that the model reflects the actual livery.

So I think "it's there for painting" is the logical conclusion as to why the plane went to VCV, and the original poster's "sources" are mistaken. (Note: They are also mistaken that this is the "high-cycle airframe". It isn't.)
 
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Re: Has Hawaiian Air started retiring their 717's?

Tue Apr 18, 2017 7:56 am

I am being lazy here, but can the 717 do Hawaii-VCV non stop as a ferry flight, or do they need to add those big ferry tanks in the cabin?
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Re: Has Hawaiian Air started retiring their 717's?

Tue Apr 18, 2017 8:19 am

n471wn wrote:
My sources say it is at VCV in storage and not for paint and it is the high cycle 717 so not likely going to replace a less cycle a/c


Boeing has facilities at VCV. They also have a life extension program to allow the frame I believe to double the cycles (or more). Delta and Hawaiian have been involved. Now remember Northwest reskinned & replaced parts on the DC-9-50 and when they were done they were like new. Delta now has that workshop.
 
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Re: Has Hawaiian Air started retiring their 717's?

Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:03 am

77west wrote:
I am being lazy here, but can the 717 do Hawaii-VCV non stop as a ferry flight, or do they need to add those big ferry tanks in the cabin?


According to FlightAware, it was a direct flight of 4315km. Well above the 717's range.
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Re: Has Hawaiian Air started retiring their 717's?

Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:07 am

BAeRJ100 wrote:
77west wrote:
I am being lazy here, but can the 717 do Hawaii-VCV non stop as a ferry flight, or do they need to add those big ferry tanks in the cabin?


According to FlightAware, it was a direct flight of 4315km. Well above the 717's range.


Ahhh.. so they had these then:

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Re: Has Hawaiian Air started retiring their 717's?

Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:12 am

Its not done yet. It will be back flying in Hawaiian Blue skies :) give it a few weeks.
 
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Re: Has Hawaiian Air started retiring their 717's?

Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:57 pm

Thanks to you all and as the OP please note I asked the question and you have answered it.

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