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Air Canada A330 loses MLG wheel on take-off at Montreal, nobody notices.

Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:19 am

Something that has got the tabloids aerated. ACA A330 lands at LHR with one of the main gear wheels missing and, apparently, the pilot was surprised to be told about it.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3350421/m ... -noticing/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... WHEEL.html

According to the Mail the wheel was found in a fence at Montreal.

Aircraft is C-GFUR, A333, despite the reference to B777-300 in the media (nothing new there) flying ACA864 on the 16 April.

So, what in the cockpit wasn't saying that a wheel wasn't there?
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Re: Air Canada A330 loses MLG wheel on take-off at Montreal, nobody notices.

Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:22 am

Odd story, the computer should notice the wheel was missing.
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Re: Air Canada A330 loses MLG wheel on take-off at Montreal, nobody notices.

Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:40 am

KarelXWB wrote:
Odd story, the computer should notice the wheel was missing.

What exactly would the message be? Loss of pressure reading in a wheel? Brakes temperature - and would that even be affected by such wheel loss - looks like brakes are still there?..
 
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Re: Air Canada A330 loses MLG wheel on take-off at Montreal, nobody notices.

Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:42 am

That Daily Mail article is well written!

"A spokesman for Canada Air"

And quoting an anonymous source:
"Heathrow and Air Canada will try and keep this to themselves but that isn't right, they should inform the public because this could have been fatal."

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Re: Air Canada A330 loses MLG wheel on take-off at Montreal, nobody notices.

Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:14 pm

LOL ! The Daily Mail at it's very best.....NOT !
 
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Re: Air Canada A330 loses MLG wheel on take-off at Montreal, nobody notices.

Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:18 pm

Surprising to see the Daily Mail getting stick for this article, normally, it's readers follow unquestioningly!
 
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Re: Air Canada A330 loses MLG wheel on take-off at Montreal, nobody notices.

Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:56 pm

Air Canada A330's do not have tire pressure sensing system.
 
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Re: Air Canada A330 loses MLG wheel on take-off at Montreal, nobody notices.

Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:57 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
Odd story, the computer should notice the wheel was missing.


I think that depends on whether or not Air Canada has the tire pressure monitoring and/or brake temperature monitoring option installed. Even with tire pressure monitoring, they would get an error status message due to loss of signal and not necessarily any indication that the wheel and tire are gone.

I have heard of missing wheels not being noticed. On takeoff there is not much that would cause a pilot to notice a missing tire. Here is an example.

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/720341/pal ... s-detached

The airplane on braking during landing though should have pulled one direction.
 
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Re: Air Canada A330 loses MLG wheel on take-off at Montreal, nobody notices.

Tue Apr 18, 2017 1:03 pm

Newbiepilot wrote:
Even with tire pressure monitoring, they would get an error status message due to loss of signal and not necessarily any indication that the wheel and tire are gone.


An error status message would at least give the crew an opportunity to inform traffic control that the plane is about to land with a technical issue, and have firetrucks on standby.
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Re: Air Canada A330 loses MLG wheel on take-off at Montreal, nobody notices.

Tue Apr 18, 2017 1:07 pm

TC957 wrote:
LOL ! The Daily Mail at it's very best.....NOT !

I look at it the other way, Daily Mail at it's worst . . .YES. :rotfl:
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Re: Air Canada A330 loses MLG wheel on take-off at Montreal, nobody notices.

Tue Apr 18, 2017 1:14 pm

I like how it was an A330, but they reference a 77W and have a picture of a 763. Solid!
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Re: Air Canada A330 loses MLG wheel on take-off at Montreal, nobody notices.

Tue Apr 18, 2017 3:13 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
Newbiepilot wrote:
Even with tire pressure monitoring, they would get an error status message due to loss of signal and not necessarily any indication that the wheel and tire are gone.


An error status message would at least give the crew an opportunity to inform traffic control that the plane is about to land with a technical issue, and have firetrucks on standby.


I would not declare and emergency or notify anyone for a status message for inoperative tire pressure monitoring. That fault is fairly common and usually caused by debris damaging the wire harness or crud on the connector. That area gets beat up pretty bad during normal operation. Electrical components from the gear like brake temperature, tire pressure monitoring or weight and balance sensors are notoriously unreliable.
 
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Re: Air Canada A330 loses MLG wheel on take-off at Montreal, nobody notices.

Tue Apr 18, 2017 3:25 pm

I think The Sun article is worse than the Daily Mail. For starters "Miracle" because a plane that lands with only 9/10 tires is the modern day version of turning water into wine... Then they claim it was a 777 aircraft, yet have a picture of an A330 in the old, circa 2004, livery. Then again at the bottom of the page they have a photo of an Air Canada A340. A few images of the incident aircraft with some background images of Heathrow sprinkled in and to top it all off, a video of KLM 747 landing in SXM at the end of the article. Simply amazing!
 
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Re: Air Canada A330 loses MLG wheel on take-off at Montreal, nobody notices.

Tue Apr 18, 2017 3:39 pm

I would think there would have been some sort of anti-skid warning. You can't brake a wheel that isn't there.
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Re: Air Canada A330 loses MLG wheel on take-off at Montreal, nobody notices.

Tue Apr 18, 2017 4:12 pm

ryan78 wrote:
I think The Sun article is worse than the Daily Mail. For starters "Miracle" because a plane that lands with only 9/10 tires is the modern day version of turning water into wine... Then they claim it was a 777 aircraft, yet have a picture of an A330 in the old, circa 2004, livery. Then again at the bottom of the page they have a photo of an Air Canada A340. A few images of the incident aircraft with some background images of Heathrow sprinkled in and to top it all off, a video of KLM 747 landing in SXM at the end of the article. Simply amazing!

They also said rear tire, but in fact it was the front left tire on the right bogey.
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Re: Air Canada A330 loses MLG wheel on take-off at Montreal, nobody notices.

Tue Apr 18, 2017 4:17 pm

At least it was only 1 wheel, not unlike the previous time when they left the entire center gear of an A340 on departure out of FRA (don't remember the year, but it was a A340, so a while back ;) )
 
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Re: Air Canada A330 loses MLG wheel on take-off at Montreal, nobody notices.

Tue Apr 18, 2017 4:17 pm

I was at Heathrow T5 this morning and the traffic was landing from the West on the northern runway so I had a good view. I saw an Air Canada plane come in and did not see if it had a missing wheel!

Wish I had taken a snap of it now just in case I caught it!.
 
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Re: Air Canada A330 loses MLG wheel on take-off at Montreal, nobody notices.

Tue Apr 18, 2017 4:36 pm

I am not suprised those onboard an A330 with one of its ten wheels missing were able to walk away a landing. :yes:

The wild card from a safety point of view is what happened to the wheel. Luckily, it was contained within the airfield boundary. A wheel coming off at rotation would have A LOT of energy. Remember the nosewheel of the Redwings Tu-204 crash at VKO that struck the car...

https://youtu.be/5yu_XCEFCQM
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Re: Air Canada A330 loses MLG wheel on take-off at Montreal, nobody notices.

Tue Apr 18, 2017 4:58 pm

avi8tir wrote:
I like how it was an A330, but they reference a 77W and have a picture of a 763. Solid!


Haha.

Mainstream press reporting of aviation incidents is hilariously inaccurate.
 
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Re: Air Canada A330 loses MLG wheel on take-off at Montreal, nobody notices.

Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:08 pm

ryan78 wrote:
I think The Sun article is worse than the Daily Mail. For starters "Miracle" because a plane that lands with only 9/10 tires is the modern day version of turning water into wine... Then they claim it was a 777 aircraft, yet have a picture of an A330 in the old, circa 2004, livery. Then again at the bottom of the page they have a photo of an Air Canada A340. A few images of the incident aircraft with some background images of Heathrow sprinkled in and to top it all off, a video of KLM 747 landing in SXM at the end of the article. Simply amazing!


...and 'A Boeing 777-300...weighs more than 350 tonnes and can hold 299 passengers...'only off by 151 passengers!
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Re: Air Canada A330 loses MLG wheel on take-off at Montreal, nobody notices.

Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:10 pm

StTim wrote:
I was at Heathrow T5 this morning and the traffic was landing from the West on the northern runway so I had a good view. I saw an Air Canada plane come in and did not see if it had a missing wheel!

Wish I had taken a snap of it now just in case I caught it!.


It arrived yesterday morning, the 17th, at around 7am

https://www.flightradar24.com/reg/c-gfur.
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Re: Air Canada A330 loses MLG wheel on take-off at Montreal, nobody notices.

Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:11 pm

Ah - so I saw the same flight but a day later.
 
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Re: Air Canada A330 loses MLG wheel on take-off at Montreal, nobody notices.

Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:16 pm

aviatorcraig wrote:
I am not suprised those onboard an A330 with one of its ten wheels missing were able to walk away a landing. :yes:

The wild card from a safety point of view is what happened to the wheel. Luckily, it was contained within the airfield boundary. A wheel coming off at rotation would have A LOT of energy. Remember the nosewheel of the Redwings Tu-204 crash at VKO that struck the car...

https://youtu.be/5yu_XCEFCQM


The weight of a 737-800 MLG wheel that is being shipped today is listed as 160kg (350lbs) without the brake assembly. I would assume that the weight of the A330 MLG wheel would be greater.

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