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SeaKing4 wrote:jfklganyc wrote:If there's a ban, there's a ban.
After liquids ban, you and the flying public will adjust to anything.
And they'll still keep coming to the US
Sounds awful but it is true.
How wrong you are. I will not be told what I can & cannot take into an a/c cabin. I cannot buy insurance for electronics in the hold & I doubt anyone else can. I will vote with my feet. I simply will not travel to the USA, or anywhere else that introduces these senseless rules. Wether it's in the cabin or the hold & it's loaded with explosives set the go off during a flight, it's gong to go bang anyway. ( I spend 3 weeks per year in the US on 2 breaks at present) Let's face it. The US has the most to loose - business travellers, & pleasure travellers. The ME3 plus other Middle East markets have seen a severe turndown in travellers on routes to the US with the introduction of electronics restrictions. This will have a knock on effect in the US, hotels, travel, spending etc. Loses in the millions of US$. Can the US afford to loose this sort of income ?
flyby519 wrote:This will be a goldmine for the Canadian carriers using YHZ as a TATL point. Onward connections to the US could be lucrative for business travel
CALTECH wrote:
Powering them up and show them working will prove nothing....
luftaom wrote:CALTECH wrote:
Powering them up and show them working will prove nothing....
I think that the theory behind powering them up and showing them working is that the actual item (tablet, phone, computer) has all the internal bits designed around each other so there is very little space left over inside the casing. So by turning it on and powering it up - it is more likely that something hasn't been removed and the space used to house explosives etc.
strfyr51 wrote:SeaKing4 wrote:jfklganyc wrote:If there's a ban, there's a ban.
After liquids ban, you and the flying public will adjust to anything.
And they'll still keep coming to the US
Sounds awful but it is true.
How wrong you are. I will not be told what I can & cannot take into an a/c cabin. I cannot buy insurance for electronics in the hold & I doubt anyone else can. I will vote with my feet. I simply will not travel to the USA, or anywhere else that introduces these senseless rules. Wether it's in the cabin or the hold & it's loaded with explosives set the go off during a flight, it's gong to go bang anyway. ( I spend 3 weeks per year in the US on 2 breaks at present) Let's face it. The US has the most to loose - business travellers, & pleasure travellers. The ME3 plus other Middle East markets have seen a severe turndown in travellers on routes to the US with the introduction of electronics restrictions. This will have a knock on effect in the US, hotels, travel, spending etc. Loses in the millions of US$. Can the US afford to loose this sort of income ?
Quit all of that Chest beating!! You'll do EXACTLY what security tells you OR? you'll Stay home!! Give it Break will you??
UAL-Fan wrote:The "tech" industry will soon adjust.
Theseus wrote:UAL-Fan wrote:The "tech" industry will soon adjust.
Is there a point to adjust ? Or will there be a new batch of rules in a year or two ?
SeaKing4 wrote:I will give it 3 years before an airliner is brought down by a fire in the hold. I just pray I'm proved incorrect.
It's now 1906 in the U.K. & nothing has been announced yet.
UAL-Fan wrote:The "tech" industry will soon adjust. Microsoft is about to make a Surface the size of a phone that will have full blown Windows running on it. Use it as a phone and then "dock" it to the peripherals you need upon arrival.
SeaKing4 wrote:strfyr51 wrote:SeaKing4 wrote:
How wrong you are. I will not be told what I can & cannot take into an a/c cabin. I cannot buy insurance for electronics in the hold & I doubt anyone else can. I will vote with my feet. I simply will not travel to the USA, or anywhere else that introduces these senseless rules. Wether it's in the cabin or the hold & it's loaded with explosives set the go off during a flight, it's gong to go bang anyway. ( I spend 3 weeks per year in the US on 2 breaks at present) Let's face it. The US has the most to loose - business travellers, & pleasure travellers. The ME3 plus other Middle East markets have seen a severe turndown in travellers on routes to the US with the introduction of electronics restrictions. This will have a knock on effect in the US, hotels, travel, spending etc. Loses in the millions of US$. Can the US afford to loose this sort of income ?
Quit all of that Chest beating!! You'll do EXACTLY what security tells you OR? you'll Stay home!! Give it Break will you??
No I will not give it a break. I will vote with my feet. I simply will not travel to destinations that impose draconian rules & endanger my life & the travelling publics lives by insisting on putting lithium battery's in the hold. It's just an accident waiting to happen. Business class travel on the Atlantic routes will decline rapidly as will cattle class. So the USA will loose out badly on tourism and business people. Obviously your leaders think you can afford to loose all these $$$$. Oh & don't forget your Airlines. The ten Countries Airlines with current bans in place have seen drastic declines in travelling customers. Plus just so you don't think I'm throwing this at one country I'm including in my criticism my own Country the UK. I will give it 3 years before an airliner is brought down by a fire in the hold. I just pray I'm proved incorrect.
It's now 1906 in the U.K. & nothing has been announced yet.
Arion640 wrote:SeaKing4 wrote:strfyr51 wrote:Quit all of that Chest beating!! You'll do EXACTLY what security tells you OR? you'll Stay home!! Give it Break will you??
No I will not give it a break. I will vote with my feet. I simply will not travel to destinations that impose draconian rules & endanger my life & the travelling publics lives by insisting on putting lithium battery's in the hold. It's just an accident waiting to happen. Business class travel on the Atlantic routes will decline rapidly as will cattle class. So the USA will loose out badly on tourism and business people. Obviously your leaders think you can afford to loose all these $$$$. Oh & don't forget your Airlines. The ten Countries Airlines with current bans in place have seen drastic declines in travelling customers. Plus just so you don't think I'm throwing this at one country I'm including in my criticism my own Country the UK. I will give it 3 years before an airliner is brought down by a fire in the hold. I just pray I'm proved incorrect.
It's now 1906 in the U.K. & nothing has been announced yet.
Agreed. Although I believe the ban will probably be brought in based on security grounds, which is a good thing, I also don't believe putting batteries in hold luggage is a good idea etheir.
This will hit the US the most, as European tourists will head east or stay in Europe. Essential travel will still go ahead e.g Business. But If anybody is educated enough to know there is a lithium battery disaster in the hold waiting to happen they aren't going to travel. Although saying that, If I had flights booked for the future to the US, I would travel.
This is if true, I will hit BA, VS , AA, UA, DL and perhaps to a lesser extent DY.
IAHWorldflyer wrote:A quick look at the FAA statistics page shows that in 2015 there were 895.5 million air travelers in the United States. I would assume each an every one of these domestic passengers removed their shoes for screening at a checkpoint. That means almost 1.8 BILLION shoes went through screening. And we've been screening shoes for 16 years now. Not one of those 1.8 billion shoes has been found to contain an explosive device. At what point does this country say this is ridiculous? When we get to a trillion shoes screened? Yes, one guy tried to smuggle an explosive in his shoe once in late 2001. But you never protect against all threats. That's why so many people here see a laptop/tablet ban for what it is, a silly theatrical way to make people think they are safe, Every Latin American country I've been to, along with most European and Asian countries do not screen shoes. And there have been no airplanes falling out of the sky because passenger's shoes weren't checked. I fail to see that it will be any different should large electronic devices be banned.
Mayday111 wrote:Would this ban also include the electronics used by pilots as well? An example might be a tablet as an electronic flight bag?
airzona11 wrote:How did people travel before laptops? Who chooses a vacation based on a laptop in their carryon during the flight?
This thread seems to have turned into another outlet for people to air their grievances or dislike to certain politicians or countries...aka emotional.
At least wait until the ban happens and all the airlines cancel their international US flights, and all the businesses that do international business in the US move their operations else where.
CrimsonNL wrote:I wonder, what can you hide in a laptop that you can't hide in a large camera, hairdryer, or other random electronic device you have in your hand baggage?
Martijn
silverado6x6 wrote:The newest and latest batteries are so intense they are literally grenades, you can watch YouTube for hoyrs of many people who have taken one of these batteries and pierced it, instant fumes, smoke and heat. Only naive stupid people think no harm will happen to them, there is many countries and especially a certain ideology that hates America, sadly Britain and most of the EU has embraced it, and they will use any means of any devices or combinations of devices to get past security for terror.
If there must be a ban so be it, maybe it will in time convince people to solve the root of the problem instead of trying to negotiate,embrace or to just plane ignore it.
Myself i have seen the power of even a single 18650 battery that shorts out.
IAHWorldflyer wrote:A quick look at the FAA statistics page shows that in 2015 there were 895.5 million air travelers in the United States. I would assume each an every one of these domestic passengers removed their shoes for screening at a checkpoint. That means almost 1.8 BILLION shoes went through screening.
airzona11 wrote:How did people travel before laptops? Who chooses a vacation based on a laptop in their carryon during the flight?
This thread seems to have turned into another outlet for people to air their grievances or dislike to certain politicians or countries...aka emotional.
At least wait until the ban happens and all the airlines cancel their international US flights, and all the businesses that do international business in the US move their operations else where.
KTPAFlyer wrote:I would never try to make a secret out of the fact that we are very far from this, and that once you try to build up security, it is a one way street and you can't back out of it- publicly. That said, I would not be surprised to see the laptop ban vanish within the next few decades, but it will be known to few.
StuckinCMHland wrote:It's been two weeks since the report surfaced in the media and nothing has happened yet. Maybe posters should calm down a little about this. After a while it just seems that people are throwing all kinds of stuff, mostly false, to see what sticks, just to make the current US Government look bad.
seahawk wrote:If they ban cameras it becomes stupid, as you can remove the battery in a camera and put it in the checked baggage if need be.
StuckinCMHland wrote:It's been two weeks since the report surfaced in the media and nothing has happened yet. Maybe posters should calm down a little about this. After a while it just seems that people are throwing all kinds of stuff, mostly false, to see what sticks, just to make the current US Government look bad.
slowrambler wrote:StuckinCMHland wrote:It's been two weeks since the report surfaced in the media and nothing has happened yet. Maybe posters should calm down a little about this. After a while it just seems that people are throwing all kinds of stuff, mostly false, to see what sticks, just to make the current US Government look bad.
Sure, it's all just a plot to make Trump look bad.
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/ ... rom-europe
Theseus wrote:StuckinCMHland wrote:It's been two weeks since the report surfaced in the media and nothing has happened yet. Maybe posters should calm down a little about this. After a while it just seems that people are throwing all kinds of stuff, mostly false, to see what sticks, just to make the current US Government look bad.
Here is some news (in French only, sorry):
http://www.lemonde.fr/ameriques/article ... _3222.html
Quick summary: EU officials requested a discussion with the US administration, about recent declarations that the US may require electronics be banned in cabin on US bound flights; a phone discussion will be held tonight between two EU Commission members (from the article, I guess Dimitris Avramopoulos and Violeta Bulc) and John Kelly to clarify this.
In other words, it is not just some posters here who would like to understand and have been confused with more or less official declarations, but also the EU Commission itself.
Varsity1 wrote:It's funny how a bunch of nobodies believe they know more than the world's most powerful intelligence agencies.