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Westbound “Redeyes”

Tue Apr 25, 2017 3:37 pm

Westbound “Redeyes”

And I say “redeye” as the alarm went off at 3:30 for a 5:30am (Atlantic Time) flight out of YHZ Halifax…..connecting in YYZ Toronto at 7:30 (Eastern) with an arrival in YVR Vancouver at 9:40am (Pacific). That’s 3000 miles across the continent and I’m still there early enough for a morning meeting. I met up with a coworker on the YYZ-YVR leg and he had an even earlier start out of YYT St. John’s at 5:00 NFLD time…..that’s 2 time zones further east of ET and 6 zones crossing the country!

And if I’m heading to New York….Delta is out of Halifax at 6am AT….into JFK at 7 ET and I’m in Manhattan just after 8)
 
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Re: Westbound “Redeyes”

Tue Apr 25, 2017 4:10 pm

I personally wouldn't call 5am or 6am flights "redeyes", but that's me. I have taken many, many, many 5:30am flights in my life, and as unpleasant as they can be, I've never really considered them in the same boat as a, say, 12:30am to 6:30am LAX-ORD flight for example.

Anything before about 5:00am, though, is rough. Thinking about those India to Europe flights that leave between 2:00am and 4:00am. Same thing with East and Southeast Asia to Europe and Africa (thinking like HKG-JNB, SIN-LHR, etc. etc.). Those can be rough if you can't get sleep on them.
 
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Re: Westbound “Redeyes”

Tue Apr 25, 2017 4:23 pm

sw733 wrote:
I personally wouldn't call 5am or 6am flights "redeyes", but that's me. ............


As I said above...it was the 3:30am alarm that made it a "redeye" to me so I could be at the airport for the 5:30 flight.
 
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Re: Westbound “Redeyes”

Tue Apr 25, 2017 4:29 pm

Not sure if many would consider it west bound(although the destination is west of the origin) but the AS LAX-ANC flight is worth mentioning
 
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Re: Westbound “Redeyes”

Tue Apr 25, 2017 4:34 pm

You could argue that some of the late-evening departures out of the Eastern Timezone to West Coast cities that depart in the 9pm-11pm timeframe could qualify as red-eyes. There are flights out of places like JFK, BOS, DTW, ATL that arrive in SEA, SFO, LAX near or after 12am which is 3am on Eastern time.

The only good news is one usually goes to bed upon arrival.
 
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Re: Westbound “Redeyes”

Tue Apr 25, 2017 4:34 pm

A textbook example of a westbound redeye would be a flight like HKG-JNB which departs at 11:59pm and arrives at 6:00 am the next day. A 12 hour flight done in six hours.
 
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Re: Westbound “Redeyes”

Tue Apr 25, 2017 4:35 pm

HA has a LAS-HNL "redeye" leaving around 2 AM and arriving around 5 AM.
 
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Re: Westbound “Redeyes”

Tue Apr 25, 2017 4:41 pm

As late as the mid-60s, TWA operated a transcon L-1049G. Westbound it departed IDL/JFK at 9:05PM, dep CLE at 12:05AM, arr LAX at 5:05AM and arr SFO at 7:08AM - at night coach prop fares it was a pretty popular flight even against jet competition. I say popular, although I don't know if it was profitable. It must have covered operating costs, though; maybe with freight they made a dollar or two. At the time TWA couldn't afford to write off all their Connies, it would have put them in violation of debt covenants.
 
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Re: Westbound “Redeyes”

Tue Apr 25, 2017 4:44 pm

mhkansan wrote:
A textbook example of a westbound redeye would be a flight like HKG-JNB which departs at 11:59pm and arrives at 6:00 am the next day. A 12 hour flight done in six hours.


Yup, or JNB-JFK, leaves JNB around 9PM, arrives in JFK at 6:30 AM the next day.

I've gone on the following I would consider westbound red-eyes as well: SIN-FRA, MEL-BKK, BOM-FRA, BLR-LHR
 
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Re: Westbound “Redeyes”

Tue Apr 25, 2017 4:46 pm

Is there a question here?
There are hundreds if not thousands of early morning departures every day. A 5:30am departure is not a red-eye. However some flights that depart late at night could be considered redeyes. An good example is AM BOS-MEX that departs at 11:30pm and arrives at 4:40am. That's a real westbound red-eye. Lost of flights to Asia also depart late at night. CX's BOS-HKG departs at 1:45am and arrives at 5:10am.Those are definitely red-eyes. Some southbound or northbound flights that depart late at night are considered red-eyes, such as B6's BOS-SJU that departs at 11:55pm and arrive at 3:45am.
If you get to sleep in a real bed before going to the airport, it's not a red-eye :) So what if you woke up at 3:30am. For many people that is perfectly normal time to wake up.
 
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Re: Westbound “Redeyes”

Tue Apr 25, 2017 4:50 pm

airbazar wrote:
If you get to sleep in a real bed before going to the airport, it's not a red-eye :)


Agreed. The only "real" red-eyes are the aforementioned North America-Asia flights, the HA LAS-HNL flight and flights like the HKG-JNB. Those 5a departures I don't consider overnight/red-eye flights.

EDIT: Clarification.
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Re: Westbound “Redeyes”

Tue Apr 25, 2017 5:14 pm

It seems like an entire market has been missed, North America to New Zealand/Australia, and North America to Asia. All leave late at night from North America and arrive early +2 days. Yes, I know Asia has early afternoon departures which arrive Asia in the afternoon and are daylight the entire time, but tons of flights from YVR/SFO/LAX leave in the late evening flight back going West/SouthWest.
 
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Re: Westbound “Redeyes”

Tue Apr 25, 2017 7:10 pm

A 5:30AM flight is definitely *not* a red-eye. If you get the benefit of a substantial amount of sleep beforehand, it's definitely not a red-eye.
 
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Re: Westbound “Redeyes”

Tue Apr 25, 2017 8:43 pm

There are some westbound departures out of ORD (I'm thinking SFO, SEA and the like) during certain parts of the year that depart between 2200-2300. I'd consider that a legitimate redeye, arriving at roughly 0200CST.
 
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Re: Westbound “Redeyes”

Tue Apr 25, 2017 8:46 pm

ghYHZ wrote:
sw733 wrote:
I personally wouldn't call 5am or 6am flights "redeyes", but that's me. ............


As I said above...it was the 3:30am alarm that made it a "redeye" to me so I could be at the airport for the 5:30 flight.


I suppose it's a matter of definition. I don't factor "time the alarm goes off" in to the definition of a redeye, since for a 5:30am flight, one person might have to wake up at 1:00am to make a 2 hour drive, while another person may wake up at 4:30am and roll out of the in-terminal hotel.
 
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Re: Westbound “Redeyes”

Tue Apr 25, 2017 9:08 pm

Plenty of westbound red-eye on South America-US ou Europe-South America aswell.
 
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Re: Westbound “Redeyes”

Tue Apr 25, 2017 9:22 pm

As noted above, pretty much all Brazil-North America flights are westbound and red-eye. Lots of Australia-Asia flights are also westbound redeye. And also SCL-AKL flight.
 
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Re: Westbound “Redeyes”

Tue Apr 25, 2017 9:54 pm

In the 70's, there were tons of lights between midnight and say 06:00. DL and EA has significant banks of flights around 01:00 at ATL. DL had a 747 flight ATL-DAL-LAX that left ATL around 00:30, leave DAL about 02:40 with an arrival at LAX a few minutes after 03:00 There were plenty of city-to-city flights at odd hours. If a 5:30 departure was unacceptable, you likely had other options.
 
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Re: Westbound “Redeyes”

Tue Apr 25, 2017 10:11 pm

allegiantflyer wrote:
Not sure if many would consider it west bound(although the destination is west of the origin) but the AS LAX-ANC flight is worth mentioning


AS has a ORD-ANC segment that operates in summer with a midnight departure from ORD. That is most definitely a westbound red eye.

In addition to that horrendously timed LAX-ANC flight, AS operates LAS-ANC and HNL-ANC as northbound red eyes.
 
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Re: Westbound “Redeyes”

Tue Apr 25, 2017 10:29 pm

LH MUC-MEX is a real redeye.
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Re: Westbound “Redeyes”

Tue Apr 25, 2017 11:17 pm

Sorry Dude, RED EYE flight is around midnight. You work or play all day, and then have an
"overnight" flight to get home. Been done many times as an AA employee/retiree from HI.
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Re: Westbound “Redeyes”

Tue Apr 25, 2017 11:23 pm

ghYHZ wrote:
Westbound “Redeyes”

And I say “redeye” as the alarm went off at 3:30 for a 5:30am (Atlantic Time) flight out of YHZ Halifax…..connecting in YYZ Toronto at 7:30 (Eastern) with an arrival in YVR Vancouver at 9:40am (Pacific)


I did a similar flight last year on my way to a conference in Vancouver except that I purposely took a slightly later flight out of YYZ so I could get a flight on a 77W for the first time, totally worth it instead of yet another A320 flight.

When I got up at 3:30 I texted some friends who were already in Vancouver and they were just finishing their evening (11:30pm there) as I was getting up...THAT made me feel me tired! What made me feel even more tired was having a beer in the hotel bar at 11:30pm the next night and realizing I had been up for 24hrs...time for bed!
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Re: Westbound “Redeyes”

Tue Apr 25, 2017 11:24 pm

The entire flock of flights out of LAX for SYD/BNE/MEL/AKL each night are ALL "red-eyes" leaving between approx 10:00 pm and midnight and arriving between 5:00 am & 10:00 am the next day, as far as the passenger is concerned, [the fact that it is two days later is an artifact of the calendar due to the International Date Line.]

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Re: Westbound “Redeyes”

Tue Apr 25, 2017 11:47 pm

While one could suppose that could be a demand for red eyes westbound from NYC to MIA and LAX; plus MIA to LAX, at least peak seasons (thanksgiving, Xmas, New Year), surely airline have done their math and that kind of aircraft reposition isn't worth that hassle.
IMHO, LON - NYC is another market which could have passengers for a west-bound red eyes (but not from LHR due to curfew).
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Re: Westbound “Redeyes”

Tue Apr 25, 2017 11:55 pm

ghYHZ wrote:
Westbound “Redeyes”

And I say “redeye” as the alarm went off at 3:30 for a 5:30am (Atlantic Time) flight out of YHZ Halifax…..connecting in YYZ Toronto at 7:30 (Eastern) with an arrival in YVR Vancouver at 9:40am (Pacific). That’s 3000 miles across the continent and I’m still there early enough for a morning meeting.


More power to you! After doing that, I would hardly be in any shape to conduct any kind of business.
 
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Re: Westbound “Redeyes”

Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:04 am

What makes a redeye a redeye (and what a traditional redeye in fact is) is that you work all day in the west coast, fly through the night and land and go straight to work on the east coast. (Apologies, it's a US centric post). The point is there is no sleep. The 6am west-bounds from the east coast are easier because you get to sleep in a bed before the flight (usually). The late night westbounds you at least get some sleep in a bed when you land. Easy? No. As hard as the traditional redeye? No.
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Re: Westbound “Redeyes”

Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:43 am

Georgetown wrote:
What makes a redeye a redeye (and what a traditional redeye in fact is) is that you work all day in the west coast, fly through the night and land and go straight to work on the east coast. (Apologies, it's a US centric post). The point is there is no sleep.


Good point, but there is likely a good mix of travelers that did some leisurely activity in the West coast that day, flew back in the night, saving a hotel room night.

Of course there are business pax too. I knew someone who did JFK-LAX every week and took red-eyes out of LAX. But often she returned home, napped for two hours and then got back to work.

NK has a same time zone red eye of IAG-FLL, which runs in the Winter. Leaves at 2am, and arrives at 5am. Is there anything out of LGA or JFK like that to South Florida? I'd think New York (being the top market to/from South Florida, NYC being a 24/7 city), it'd work.
 
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Re: Westbound “Redeyes”

Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:57 am

Eastern Airlines had westbound red eyes from IAH to the West Coast in the mid 1980s departing around 2am, and moving to ORD in 1987. They were mostly A300s and carried a lot of cargo. They referred to them as the Moonlight Special and they were low oneway based fares with no advance purchase and one fare for each cabin. They charged for soft drinks even in First Class. IIRC a transcon flight via IAH on these flights was $119 or $129 in Coach.
 
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Re: Westbound “Redeyes”

Wed Apr 26, 2017 4:14 am

Western727 wrote:
airbazar wrote:
If you get to sleep in a real bed before going to the airport, it's not a red-eye :)


Agreed. The only "real" red-eyes are the aforementioned North America-Asia flights, the HA LAS-HNL flight and flights like the HKG-JNB. Those 5a departures I don't consider overnight/red-eye flights.

EDIT: Clarification.

The ones that leave around midnight are. There are still plenty of NA-Asia flights that leave around noon. Would the NA-Australia/NZ flights that leave between 10-11pm count as redeyes?
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Re: Westbound “Redeyes”

Wed Apr 26, 2017 4:15 am

I've done both LAX-HKG (01:55-08:10+1) and LAX-PPT (23:40-05:00+1) on westbound redeyes. HKG in particular wasn't too bad, as it's long enough to get some decent sleep, and you wake up more or less on their time. With PPT I failed miserably and pulled the typical move of passing out just after noon. Screwed me up for the first couple of days there.

Gemuser wrote:
The entire flock of flights out of LAX for SYD/BNE/MEL/AKL each night are ALL "red-eyes" leaving between approx 10:00 pm and midnight and arriving between 5:00 am & 10:00 am the next day, as far as the passenger is concerned, [the fact that it is two days later is an artifact of the calendar due to the International Date Line.]

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There's a few other westbound flights leaving LAX around and a couple hours past midnight; HKG, PPT, ICN, CAN, NAN, PVG, and PEK.

A few years ago US (and subsequently I believe AA) was running a late bank during peak travel periods out of CLT that had at least a couple of redeyes going westbound. One in particular left around 00:30 and arrived in PHX around 03:00. Haven't seen them fly that schedule lately, but it was an impressive operation (~40 flights iirc) that late into the night when it did operate.
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Re: Westbound “Redeyes”

Wed Apr 26, 2017 6:41 am

IAD-LAX is a redeye on Columbia Airlines. :shakehead:
 
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Re: Westbound “Redeyes”

Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:42 am

Anything East Asia to Europe that departs late in the evening / night and arrives in the early morning. Incredibly common
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Re: Westbound “Redeyes”

Wed Apr 26, 2017 9:58 am

ghYHZ wrote:
sw733 wrote:
I personally wouldn't call 5am or 6am flights "redeyes", but that's me. ............


As I said above...it was the 3:30am alarm that made it a "redeye" to me so I could be at the airport for the 5:30 flight.


Doesn't really work that way. The term is used to describe nighttime departures that arrive the following morning and is used to differentiate from "normal" day time flights. I don't even use it to describe trans-Atlantic flights since the vast majority leave in the evening.
 
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Re: Westbound “Redeyes”

Wed Apr 26, 2017 10:12 am

777PHX wrote:
A 5:30AM flight is definitely *not* a red-eye. If you get the benefit of a substantial amount of sleep beforehand, it's definitely not a red-eye.


I agree with you that it doesn't fit the definition of a red-eye (which to me is all about the sleep you miss while ON the plane), but your definition really depends on assumptions about what someone's schedule is the day before and how far that person needs to go to get to the airport. I've had a fair number of 5:30 am flights where I worked until midnight (thus arriving home somewhat later) and needed to leave for the airport at 2:45 or 3. I know a lot of people who, for a lot of reasons, do not have much control over either the time they can stop working and go to bed and the timing of business flights they take.
 
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Re: Westbound “Redeyes”

Wed Apr 26, 2017 10:53 am

Just look at Philippine Airlines across the world. They uniquely have a combination of: terrible airport slots, extensive long-haul and ultra-long-haul routes, predominantly low-value traffic. Makes for funky tag-flights and fifth freedoms, too.

For example: JFK-YVR 00:15-03:15. YVR-MNL 05:15-08:55.
AKL-CNS: 18:15-21:55 CNS-MNL 23:10-03:30+1

I mean. seriously.

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Re: Westbound “Redeyes”

Wed Apr 26, 2017 12:22 pm

ghYHZ wrote:
sw733 wrote:
I personally wouldn't call 5am or 6am flights "redeyes", but that's me. ............


As I said above...it was the 3:30am alarm that made it a "redeye" to me so I could be at the airport for the 5:30 flight.


Welcome to life outside of major airports. If you live in cities with secondary airports (like ours DSM) if I want to get to Florida or anywhere for business and be there early almost all my first flights depart around the 5am zone. Which means getting up at 3;30 to be in TPA at 12:15pm.
 
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Re: Westbound “Redeyes”

Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:37 pm

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In the 70's, there were tons of lights between midnight and say 06:00. DL and EA has significant banks of flights around 01:00 at ATL. DL had a 747 flight ATL-DAL-LAX that left ATL around 00:30, leave DAL about 02:40 with an arrival at LAX a few minutes after 03:00 There were plenty of city-to-city flights at odd hours. If a 5:30 departure was unacceptable, you likely had other options.

DL had a large bank of wide bodies (L1011/747/and for awhile DC-10) that left ATL for the west coast at the time you said. They were referred to as night coach and the fares were 20% lower than the day flights, and yes any flight that departed before 6am qualified for the night coach rate. I was on one L-1011 that went tech, and they just moved us over to the next gate and took that Tristar and we got into SFO about a hour late at 3:30am. I really felt badly for the person that was picking me up.
 
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Re: Westbound “Redeyes”

Wed Apr 26, 2017 3:48 pm

As mentioned, literally most SE Asia to Europe flights are red-eyes, leaving around midnight local time, arriving between 5 and 7am in Europe. 12hr flights, multiple time zones.

Europe - North America also exists, for example LH's MUC-MEX which is overnight.
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Re: Westbound “Redeyes”

Wed Apr 26, 2017 3:54 pm

American Flight #23 departs JFK at 22:00 arrives LAX at 01:30. Believe this leaves later some parts of the year.
 
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Re: Westbound “Redeyes”

Wed Apr 26, 2017 4:01 pm

910A wrote:
TransGlobalGold wrote:
In the 70's, there were tons of lights between midnight and say 06:00. DL and EA has significant banks of flights around 01:00 at ATL. DL had a 747 flight ATL-DAL-LAX that left ATL around 00:30, leave DAL about 02:40 with an arrival at LAX a few minutes after 03:00 There were plenty of city-to-city flights at odd hours. If a 5:30 departure was unacceptable, you likely had other options.

DL had a large bank of wide bodies (L1011/747/and for awhile DC-10) that left ATL for the west coast at the time you said. They were referred to as night coach and the fares were 20% lower than the day flights, and yes any flight that departed before 6am qualified for the night coach rate. I was on one L-1011 that went tech, and they just moved us over to the next gate and took that Tristar and we got into SFO about a hour late at 3:30am. I really felt badly for the person that was picking me up.


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Re: Westbound “Redeyes”

Wed Apr 26, 2017 9:50 pm

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As late as the mid-60s, TWA operated a transcon L-1049G. Westbound it departed IDL/JFK at 9:05PM, dep CLE at 12:05AM, arr LAX at 5:05AM and arr SFO at 7:08AM - at night coach prop fares it was a pretty popular flight even against jet competition. I say popular, although I don't know if it was profitable. It must have covered operating costs, though; maybe with freight they made a dollar or two. At the time TWA couldn't afford to write off all their Connies, it would have put them in violation of debt covenants.

After the initial early 70's bang of widebodies from the east to west coast was reduced, both AA and UA operated JFK-CLE-LAX for a short while leaving JFK arounf 9:00pm and CLE to LAX at 11:15pm. UA service was on a stretched dc-8 and AA with a DC-10, with a 747 operating the route 3 or 4 times a week during the month of August only when it happened. The 747 wasn't published in their timetable at the time but it was announced in the Cleveland Plain Dealer and I saw the 747 myself.
 
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Re: Westbound “Redeyes”

Thu Apr 27, 2017 1:17 am

ghYHZ wrote:
sw733 wrote:
I personally wouldn't call 5am or 6am flights "redeyes", but that's me. ............


As I said above...it was the 3:30am alarm that made it a "redeye" to me so I could be at the airport for the 5:30 flight.


It's just a early morning flight. U can call it what you like thought. To each his own :yes:
 
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Re: Westbound “Redeyes”

Thu Apr 27, 2017 2:15 am

grbauc wrote:
ghYHZ wrote:
sw733 wrote:
I personally wouldn't call 5am or 6am flights "redeyes", but that's me. ............


As I said above...it was the 3:30am alarm that made it a "redeye" to me so I could be at the airport for the 5:30 flight.


It's just a early morning flight. U can call it what you like thought. To each his own :yes:


Yup. If that is a red-eye, than I, and thousands of others, have taken hundreds upon hundreds of red-eyes every Monday.

I go by the easy definition. If your only potential sleep options during normal sleep hours are on the plane, it is a red-eye. Bsaically, if it takes off before 2AM and arrives after 5AM, it is a red-eye.
 
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Re: Westbound “Redeyes”

Thu Apr 27, 2017 5:16 pm

TWA772LR wrote:
Would the NA-Australia/NZ flights that leave between 10-11pm count as redeyes?


I would say so, yes. A subsequent reply above states that flights that leave before 2:00 and arrive after 5:00 count as red-eyes...and I agree, but to each their own, as someone else said as well. :)
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Re: Westbound “Redeyes”

Thu Apr 27, 2017 5:19 pm

Technically speaking, long haul flights that depart late at night and arrive in early morning are not true redeye flights as it is possible to get a full nights sleep on board. I'm sure few people are actually able to do that, but it's possible.
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Re: Westbound “Redeyes”

Thu Apr 27, 2017 5:24 pm

dmstorm22 wrote:
I go by the easy definition. If your only potential sleep options during normal sleep hours are on the plane, it is a red-eye.


Agreed. Flights that allow me to spend time in a normal bed before or after the flight do not count as red-eyes in my book. I got to AUS on a flight that arrived very late (03:00 local time) but I was able to sleep in my own bed at 03:45 until 07:00. And getting up at 03:00 to catch a 05:30 flight out...affords me the option to go to bed early (say, 20:00) if possible, which does not "qualify" as a red-eye in my book.

I'm booked on a PDX-AUS red-eye via SEA in a couple of weeks; I leave PDX at 19:30 on a Q400, and then arrive in AUS at 05:15 on a 738. Because I'll get home at roughly 06:00, my kids (and some daylight) will be up by then, I will therefore consider the hour-or-two sleep I will get at home after the kids leave for school to be "just" a nap...thereby, a red-eye.
Jack @ AUS
 
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Re: Westbound “Redeyes”

Tue Sep 12, 2017 6:32 pm

UNITED has a number of redeyes that have been famous throuout my time here SEA/SFO/ LAX-ORD departing at 0020-0032 arriving AT 0624-0639 and Lax/Sea/Sfo- IAD leaving 1030P--1150P- Arr 0621-0755. always good flying..
 
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Re: Westbound “Redeyes”

Tue Sep 12, 2017 6:43 pm

VS and BA both have flights LHR-JFK leaving at 8:10 pm and 7:50 pm, respectively, arriving at ~11 pm EST/4 am GMT; AF has a CDG-JFK flight leaving at 7 pm, arriving at 9:15 pm EST/3:15 am CET.

Those would all definitely as westbound redeyes as well, in my mind (and they're especially tough since you more or less have to force yourself to stay awake the whole flight so that you're actually able to sleep when you land).
 
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Re: Westbound “Redeyes”

Tue Sep 12, 2017 7:57 pm

Don't forget the Columbia Airlines westbound red-eye from IAD to LAX in the film, Airport '75. It was daylight by the time they were over SLC, which means this flight would have left IAD around 4:00 AM??? . . . in a 747 no less.
 
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Re: Westbound “Redeyes”

Tue Sep 12, 2017 8:08 pm

I think some late night TATL flights ex-Europe could be classified as red eyes (the new 05:30 LGW-JFK by Norwegian for example). But an EU-MEX flight definitely isn't.
I'm booked on one myself. AMS 2225 - MEX 0400 (0300 when it's DST). It's 12:35h so that leaves enough time to actually fall asleep and get a minimum of 6 hours of sleep on the way there.
I've had way more trouble with 06:30 OPO-MAD, 06:30 MAD-TLS, and around 08:00 STN-EIN v.v. All those flights meant waking up between 230 and 4 and leaving 430 at it's latest. For me those flights are terrible because I'm a night owl and in those nights I can't get enough sleep, if hardly any.
To me personally any flight that cuts into my sleep by having to wake up before 04:00 is a redeye. It's not the official definition though, I'm aware of that.

Also one of my harsher flights was DTM 18:15 - KUT 00:35 (Kutaisi, Georgia, 2h later). Woke up at 8 to prepare, was on the road around 1430, had my home prepared dinner on the plane around 1900 (2100 KUT time), and had about 4h of sleep after that flight, waking up at 8:00 KUT time or 6:00 NL time. Really fucked up my night's rest for a few days. Going eastbound is harder than going westbound, I'm aware of that, but a 2h time difference on a 4h flight might just be the harshest jet lag I've ever experienced. It felt even worse than a 6-timezone 7 hour flight 0000 East Coast departure to an EU arrival around 1330, because at least on this flight I got some 5-6 hours of sleep.

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