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AA orders additional E175s

Thu Apr 27, 2017 7:50 pm

Embraer says American Airlines has signed order for 4 additional E175 jets.
Deliveries start Q4 2017 and aircraft to be operated by Envoy.

Embraer and American Airlines Sign a Contract for Four Additional E175s
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/embraer- ... 00753.html

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This brings AA direct E175 order book to 64.
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Re: AA orders additional E175s

Thu Apr 27, 2017 8:33 pm

Good for AA and Envoy. What's the threshold for Large RJ seating in the scope clause and how many crj700s can be reconfigured below that level for additional 175 orders?
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Re: AA orders additional E175s

Fri Apr 28, 2017 12:41 am

only four?? Come on let's kick out those CR7s!!
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Re: AA orders additional E175s

Fri Apr 28, 2017 12:42 am

More 175s, fewer CRJs ... nice :)
 
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Re: AA orders additional E175s

Fri Apr 28, 2017 12:47 am

commavia wrote:
More 175s, fewer CRJs ... nice :)


You clearly haven't flown them in Y. :-) The CRJs aren't really much better, but that 1" extra in pitch is most welcome when compared to the 30" pitch E175s at Compass.
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Re: AA orders additional E175s

Fri Apr 28, 2017 12:48 am

PlanesNTrains wrote:
You clearly haven't flown them in Y. :-) The CRJs aren't really much better, but that 1" extra in pitch is most welcome when compared to the 30" pitch E175s at Compass.


Should have been more explicit ... more 175s, less CRJ200s. :) Personally, I'll take any seat on a 175 over a CRJ200 any day.
 
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Re: AA orders additional E175s

Fri Apr 28, 2017 1:12 am

Is this a top-up order or just the exercise of 4 options?

On a side note, good to see AA has already departed from the fleet plan for the year since there was no planned 175 deliveries for Q4. It also wasn't mentioned anywhere on the Q1 Investor call.
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Re: AA orders additional E175s

Fri Apr 28, 2017 1:15 am

commavia wrote:
PlanesNTrains wrote:
You clearly haven't flown them in Y. :-) The CRJs aren't really much better, but that 1" extra in pitch is most welcome when compared to the 30" pitch E175s at Compass.


Should have been more explicit ... more 175s, less CRJ200s. :) Personally, I'll take any seat on a 175 over a CRJ200 any day.


Haha Ya, those are a bit tight. UAex CRJ-200 LAX-SEA last year was a bit of an odd equipment choice for what I'd consider a more mainline route. I actually love the Ejets, but that 30" pitch will not see my money again.
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Re: AA orders additional E175s

Fri Apr 28, 2017 10:53 am

I have never been on a more squished seat in my life than an AA175

The seats dont align with the windows. When the guy in front reclined, I actually felt claustrophobic and had to get up for a few minutes. That's from an airline pilot

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Re: AA orders additional E175s

Fri Apr 28, 2017 2:56 pm

commavia wrote:
PlanesNTrains wrote:
You clearly haven't flown them in Y. :-) The CRJs aren't really much better, but that 1" extra in pitch is most welcome when compared to the 30" pitch E175s at Compass.


Should have been more explicit ... more 175s, less CRJ200s. :) Personally, I'll take any seat on a 175 over a CRJ200 any day.


A 175 vs a CR2 isn't exactly an apples-to-apples comparison.
 
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Re: AA orders additional E175s

Fri Apr 28, 2017 3:16 pm

Dominion301 wrote:
A 175 vs a CR2 isn't exactly an apples-to-apples comparison.


Of course it isn't - and that's my point. I'm happy to see that AA is, net-net, increasing the number of 175s in its network and decreasing the number of CRJ200s.
 
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Re: AA orders additional E175s

Fri Apr 28, 2017 3:35 pm

PlanesNTrains wrote:
commavia wrote:
PlanesNTrains wrote:
You clearly haven't flown them in Y. :-) The CRJs aren't really much better, but that 1" extra in pitch is most welcome when compared to the 30" pitch E175s at Compass.


Should have been more explicit ... more 175s, less CRJ200s. :) Personally, I'll take any seat on a 175 over a CRJ200 any day.


Haha Ya, those are a bit tight. UAex CRJ-200 LAX-SEA last year was a bit of an odd equipment choice for what I'd consider a more mainline route. I actually love the Ejets, but that 30" pitch will not see my money again.

While not having flown in one of the aircraft in question to comment from experience, 30" isn't that bad. Considering the standard for Y is generally 31", 30" isn't bad at all for the short flights an E175 will operate.
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Re: AA orders additional E175s

Fri Apr 28, 2017 3:36 pm

So excited to hear we are getting more E175s! The plane has been nothing but good to us since entering service! Pilots love it, as it's a good transitioning aircraft. FAs love it, as it's easy to use and offers plenty of space in their own galleys. Passengers love it, as it's actually one of the more comfortable aircraft I've been on (jfklganyc has obviously never been on a YV CRJ-900)

It probably won't be the last :) With CRJ-700s leaving and E145s being transferred or moved, the E175 is the future of MQ!
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Re: AA orders additional E175s

Fri Apr 28, 2017 3:47 pm

The big mistake E made in this plane from a customer standpoint is a single small window per row. F and Y+ are misaligned as a result, sometimes severely.
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Re: AA orders additional E175s

Fri Apr 28, 2017 4:08 pm

The size of the order leads me to suspect Embraer had some kind of hiccup in their production/delivery schedule and sold these at a great price for AA.
 
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Re: AA orders additional E175s

Fri Apr 28, 2017 5:52 pm

masseybrown wrote:
The size of the order leads me to suspect Embraer had some kind of hiccup in their production/delivery schedule and sold these at a great price for AA.

Might be, might be labor related. Envoy pilots had some clauses of their contract that only took effect when there were more than 40 175s on property.
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Re: AA orders additional E175s

Fri Apr 28, 2017 6:54 pm

DiamondFlyer wrote:
masseybrown wrote:
The size of the order leads me to suspect Embraer had some kind of hiccup in their production/delivery schedule and sold these at a great price for AA.

Might be, might be labor related. Envoy pilots had some clauses of their contract that only took effect when there were more than 40 175s on property.


I wonder what that clause could be
 
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Re: AA orders additional E175s

Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:00 pm

INFINITI329 wrote:
DiamondFlyer wrote:
masseybrown wrote:
The size of the order leads me to suspect Embraer had some kind of hiccup in their production/delivery schedule and sold these at a great price for AA.

Might be, might be labor related. Envoy pilots had some clauses of their contract that only took effect when there were more than 40 175s on property.


I wonder what that clause could be


Long and short, it has to do with the bidding system. It's probably much too complicated to attempt to explain here
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Re: AA orders additional E175s

Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:52 pm

commavia wrote:
PlanesNTrains wrote:
You clearly haven't flown them in Y. :-) The CRJs aren't really much better, but that 1" extra in pitch is most welcome when compared to the 30" pitch E175s at Compass.


Should have been more explicit ... more 175s, less CRJ200s. :) Personally, I'll take any seat on a 175 over a CRJ200 any day.


Except on UA I'd prefer a CRJ200 over a 175. E+ is sure nice, but the seats are so uncomfortable on the 175's on the United Express fleet. The cushion is basically non-existent
 
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Re: AA orders additional E175s

Fri Apr 28, 2017 10:06 pm

commavia wrote:
PlanesNTrains wrote:
You clearly haven't flown them in Y. :-) The CRJs aren't really much better, but that 1" extra in pitch is most welcome when compared to the 30" pitch E175s at Compass.


Should have been more explicit ... more 175s, less CRJ200s. :) Personally, I'll take any seat on a 175 over a CRJ200 any day.

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Re: AA orders additional E175s

Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:09 pm

jfklganyc wrote:
I have never been on a more squished seat in my life than an AA175

The seats dont align with the windows. When the guy in front reclined, I actually felt claustrophobic and had to get up for a few minutes. That's from an airline pilot

Miserable product doesnt describe Y on this plane


My exact experience.

a320fan wrote:
PlanesNTrains wrote:
commavia wrote:

Should have been more explicit ... more 175s, less CRJ200s. :) Personally, I'll take any seat on a 175 over a CRJ200 any day.


Haha Ya, those are a bit tight. UAex CRJ-200 LAX-SEA last year was a bit of an odd equipment choice for what I'd consider a more mainline route. I actually love the Ejets, but that 30" pitch will not see my money again.

While not having flown in one of the aircraft in question to comment from experience, 30" isn't that bad. Considering the standard for Y is generally 31", 30" isn't bad at all for the short flights an E175 will operate.
I'm 180cm tall and can stretch my legs to straight, albeit on an angle in a 180seat JQ A320 with 29" pitch.


Well, I am happy that you are comfortable. The entire flight I was on recently with them, the two people in front of us were reclined. The seat was resting on my knees much of the time as sitting at an angle wasn't comfortable. When the passenger - invariably - would reposition in his seat, it'd press even more on my knees. My wife had a laptop which she frequently uses when we travel. She couldn't even open it fully to see her screen.

It wasn't torture, but it was uncomfortable, claustrophobic, and not an option we'll choose again (I'm talking 30" pitch - I'm a fan of the Ejet in general).
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Re: AA orders additional E175s

Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:18 pm

PlanesNTrains wrote:
jfklganyc wrote:
I have never been on a more squished seat in my life than an AA175

The seats dont align with the windows. When the guy in front reclined, I actually felt claustrophobic and had to get up for a few minutes. That's from an airline pilot

Miserable product doesnt describe Y on this plane


My exact experience.

a320fan wrote:
PlanesNTrains wrote:

Haha Ya, those are a bit tight. UAex CRJ-200 LAX-SEA last year was a bit of an odd equipment choice for what I'd consider a more mainline route. I actually love the Ejets, but that 30" pitch will not see my money again.

While not having flown in one of the aircraft in question to comment from experience, 30" isn't that bad. Considering the standard for Y is generally 31", 30" isn't bad at all for the short flights an E175 will operate.
I'm 180cm tall and can stretch my legs to straight, albeit on an angle in a 180seat JQ A320 with 29" pitch.


Well, I am happy that you are comfortable. The entire flight I was on recently with them, the two people in front of us were reclined. The seat was resting on my knees much of the time as sitting at an angle wasn't comfortable. When the passenger - invariably - would reposition in his seat, it'd press even more on my knees. My wife had a laptop which she frequently uses when we travel. She couldn't even open it fully to see her screen.

It wasn't torture, but it was uncomfortable, claustrophobic, and not an option we'll choose again (I'm talking 30" pitch - I'm a fan of the Ejet in general).


I did some measuring, and the Main Cabin seats on my 175s are relatively wide for coach (A little over 19in with with a 30" pitch in Main Cabin). Did you find the seat width inadequate? I admit it is a little cramped in terms of legroom if you're tall. I'm 6'0" on the dot and I have little trouble.

Putting something under the seat in front of you doesn't really help either.
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Re: AA orders additional E175s

Sat Apr 29, 2017 7:36 pm

Boeing778X wrote:
PlanesNTrains wrote:
jfklganyc wrote:
I have never been on a more squished seat in my life than an AA175

The seats dont align with the windows. When the guy in front reclined, I actually felt claustrophobic and had to get up for a few minutes. That's from an airline pilot

Miserable product doesnt describe Y on this plane


My exact experience.

a320fan wrote:
While not having flown in one of the aircraft in question to comment from experience, 30" isn't that bad. Considering the standard for Y is generally 31", 30" isn't bad at all for the short flights an E175 will operate.
I'm 180cm tall and can stretch my legs to straight, albeit on an angle in a 180seat JQ A320 with 29" pitch.


Well, I am happy that you are comfortable. The entire flight I was on recently with them, the two people in front of us were reclined. The seat was resting on my knees much of the time as sitting at an angle wasn't comfortable. When the passenger - invariably - would reposition in his seat, it'd press even more on my knees. My wife had a laptop which she frequently uses when we travel. She couldn't even open it fully to see her screen.

It wasn't torture, but it was uncomfortable, claustrophobic, and not an option we'll choose again (I'm talking 30" pitch - I'm a fan of the Ejet in general).


I did some measuring, and the Main Cabin seats on my 175s are relatively wide for coach (A little over 19in with with a 30" pitch in Main Cabin). Did you find the seat width inadequate? I admit it is a little cramped in terms of legroom if you're tall. I'm 6'0" on the dot and I have little trouble.

Putting something under the seat in front of you doesn't really help either.


The seat width was fine. I'm shorter though my legs are a bit longer. I had nothing under my seat. It simply was uncomfortable and claustrophobic for my wife and I, and neither of us are tall by any stretch. But again, I like the aircraft and chose it specifically on this trip thinking it would be better than a mainline plane. Instead I felt bad since my wife felt so cramped in her space.

Honestly, one thing that would make these tight pitches better would be either disabling recline or introducing seats that when you recline they don't enter the space of the passenger behind you. I'm not a recline person, but for whatever reason every_single_flight I'm on the person in front of me is reclined the entire trip.
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Sat Apr 29, 2017 10:39 pm

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Re: AA orders additional E175s

Sat Apr 29, 2017 10:45 pm

PlanesNTrains wrote:
Boeing778X wrote:
PlanesNTrains wrote:

My exact experience.



Well, I am happy that you are comfortable. The entire flight I was on recently with them, the two people in front of us were reclined. The seat was resting on my knees much of the time as sitting at an angle wasn't comfortable. When the passenger - invariably - would reposition in his seat, it'd press even more on my knees. My wife had a laptop which she frequently uses when we travel. She couldn't even open it fully to see her screen.

It wasn't torture, but it was uncomfortable, claustrophobic, and not an option we'll choose again (I'm talking 30" pitch - I'm a fan of the Ejet in general).


I did some measuring, and the Main Cabin seats on my 175s are relatively wide for coach (A little over 19in with with a 30" pitch in Main Cabin). Did you find the seat width inadequate? I admit it is a little cramped in terms of legroom if you're tall. I'm 6'0" on the dot and I have little trouble.

Putting something under the seat in front of you doesn't really help either.


The seat width was fine. I'm shorter though my legs are a bit longer. I had nothing under my seat. It simply was uncomfortable and claustrophobic for my wife and I, and neither of us are tall by any stretch. But again, I like the aircraft and chose it specifically on this trip thinking it would be better than a mainline plane. Instead I felt bad since my wife felt so cramped in her space.

Honestly, one thing that would make these tight pitches better would be either disabling recline or introducing seats that when you recline they don't enter the space of the passenger behind you. I'm not a recline person, but for whatever reason every_single_flight I'm on the person in front of me is reclined the entire trip.


I was on the UAX version in Y+ and I found it to be the best, least claustrophobic small aircraft flights I've ever had (except the single, small misaligned windows). It simply feels like a larger plane. But if I were crammed into 30" or 29" I'm sure it wouldn't have been as nice. The aircraft was designed for 32" pitch, so everyone cramming into less is going against the standard.
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Re: AA orders additional E175s

Sat Apr 29, 2017 11:00 pm

ericm2031 wrote:
commavia wrote:
PlanesNTrains wrote:
You clearly haven't flown them in Y. :-) The CRJs aren't really much better, but that 1" extra in pitch is most welcome when compared to the 30" pitch E175s at Compass.


Should have been more explicit ... more 175s, less CRJ200s. :) Personally, I'll take any seat on a 175 over a CRJ200 any day.


Except on UA I'd prefer a CRJ200 over a 175. E+ is sure nice, but the seats are so uncomfortable on the 175's on the United Express fleet. The cushion is basically non-existent


Years ago flew ORH-ORD on AA ERJ-145, the seat cushion felt like a piece of plywood. Worse seat ever.
 
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Re: AA orders additional E175s

Sat Apr 29, 2017 11:06 pm

cheapgreek wrote:
ericm2031 wrote:
commavia wrote:

Should have been more explicit ... more 175s, less CRJ200s. :) Personally, I'll take any seat on a 175 over a CRJ200 any day.


Except on UA I'd prefer a CRJ200 over a 175. E+ is sure nice, but the seats are so uncomfortable on the 175's on the United Express fleet. The cushion is basically non-existent


Years ago flew ORH-ORD on AA ERJ-145, the seat cushion felt like a piece of plywood. Worse seat ever.


So? EJet is not an ERJ.
 
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Re: AA orders additional E175s

Sat Apr 29, 2017 11:25 pm

PlanesNTrains wrote:
Boeing778X wrote:
PlanesNTrains wrote:

My exact experience.



Well, I am happy that you are comfortable. The entire flight I was on recently with them, the two people in front of us were reclined. The seat was resting on my knees much of the time as sitting at an angle wasn't comfortable. When the passenger - invariably - would reposition in his seat, it'd press even more on my knees. My wife had a laptop which she frequently uses when we travel. She couldn't even open it fully to see her screen.

It wasn't torture, but it was uncomfortable, claustrophobic, and not an option we'll choose again (I'm talking 30" pitch - I'm a fan of the Ejet in general).


I did some measuring, and the Main Cabin seats on my 175s are relatively wide for coach (A little over 19in with with a 30" pitch in Main Cabin). Did you find the seat width inadequate? I admit it is a little cramped in terms of legroom if you're tall. I'm 6'0" on the dot and I have little trouble.

Putting something under the seat in front of you doesn't really help either.


The seat width was fine. I'm shorter though my legs are a bit longer. I had nothing under my seat. It simply was uncomfortable and claustrophobic for my wife and I, and neither of us are tall by any stretch. But again, I like the aircraft and chose it specifically on this trip thinking it would be better than a mainline plane. Instead I felt bad since my wife felt so cramped in her space.

Honestly, one thing that would make these tight pitches better would be either disabling recline or introducing seats that when you recline they don't enter the space of the passenger behind you. I'm not a recline person, but for whatever reason every_single_flight I'm on the person in front of me is reclined the entire trip.


Ugh! I know! Every other Deadhead I do, usually someone reclines.

It's a great plane, really! Next time you have a chance, try MCE. The additional legroom is quite generous.
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Re: AA orders additional E175s

Sat Apr 29, 2017 11:32 pm

INFINITI329 wrote:
DiamondFlyer wrote:
masseybrown wrote:
The size of the order leads me to suspect Embraer had some kind of hiccup in their production/delivery schedule and sold these at a great price for AA.

Might be, might be labor related. Envoy pilots had some clauses of their contract that only took effect when there were more than 40 175s on property.


I wonder what that clause could be


Entirely labor/scope related. Involves SAp/PBS bidding at MQ
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Re: AA orders additional E175s

Sun Apr 30, 2017 3:32 am

Varsity1 wrote:
INFINITI329 wrote:
DiamondFlyer wrote:
Might be, might be labor related. Envoy pilots had some clauses of their contract that only took effect when there were more than 40 175s on property.


I wonder what that clause could be


Entirely labor/scope related. Involves SAp/PBS bidding at MQ


Is something that is mutually beneficial or does it really benefit one side?
 
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Re: AA orders additional E175s

Sun Apr 30, 2017 3:37 am

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Embraer says American Airlines has signed order for 4 additional E175 jets.
Deliveries start Q4 2017 and aircraft to be operated by Envoy.

Embraer and American Airlines Sign a Contract for Four Additional E175s
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/embraer- ... 00753.html

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This brings AA direct E175 order book to 64.


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Re: AA orders additional E175s

Sun Apr 30, 2017 11:44 am

INFINITI329 wrote:
Varsity1 wrote:
INFINITI329 wrote:

I wonder what that clause could be


Entirely labor/scope related. Involves SAp/PBS bidding at MQ


Is something that is mutually beneficial or does it really benefit one side?


Going to a PBS system over their current SAP type system totally benefits the company.
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Re: AA orders additional E175s

Sun Apr 30, 2017 12:01 pm

INFINITI329 wrote:
Varsity1 wrote:
INFINITI329 wrote:

I wonder what that clause could be


Entirely labor/scope related. Involves SAp/PBS bidding at MQ


Is something that is mutually beneficial or does it really benefit one side?


100% the company. They would lose transitional conflicts, as well as vacation conflicts amongst others. Plus, take an already crappy flight file, throw it into PBS, and a crappy bid still comes out. The pilots would lose bigly.
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