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United and Dr. Dao reach settlement

Thu Apr 27, 2017 8:33 pm

No terms announced, as would be expected.

An expedited settlement seems like a good move by UA.


http://money.cnn.com/2017/04/27/news/co ... index.html
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Re: uNITED AND dR. dAO REACH SETTLEMENT

Thu Apr 27, 2017 8:35 pm

I'm sure it was for more than he deserved but not as much as he was hoping. Avoiding a trial and all the discovery of his past behaviors being made public was good for him.
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Re: United and Dr. Dao reach settlement

Thu Apr 27, 2017 8:50 pm

alfa164 wrote:
No terms announced, as would be expected.

An expedited settlement seems like a good move by UA.


http://money.cnn.com/2017/04/27/news/co ... index.html


Prolly change the name to Dr. Dao Airlines. His picture on the vertical stabilizer of every UA aircraft a la Frontier. Might not be a bad idea, at that...
 
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Re: United and Dr. Dao reach settlement

Thu Apr 27, 2017 9:00 pm

In a completely unrelated story, United has decided to sell two 737-900s and their lounge at IAD.
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Re: United and Dr. Dao reach settlement

Thu Apr 27, 2017 9:00 pm

BN727227Ultra wrote:
alfa164 wrote:
No terms announced, as would be expected.

An expedited settlement seems like a good move by UA.


http://money.cnn.com/2017/04/27/news/co ... index.html


Prolly change the name to Dr. Dao Airlines. His picture on the vertical stabilizer of every UA aircraft a la Frontier. Might not be a bad idea, at that...


Will the picture be before, during, or after? :duck:
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Re: United and Dr. Dao reach settlement

Thu Apr 27, 2017 9:13 pm

I am guessing he settled for a very low seven figure number. He is lucky to have the vast majority of public opinion on his side (the potential jury pool likely wasn't going to be pro-United), not to mention the various videos all depicted him as being the victim in this case from every angle, as well as the fact he had the law on his side to begin with.

Those things all managed to gather enough steam for Dr. Dao and company that they forced United's legal team to settle ahead of what could've been a very tedious and emotionally tiresome trial for Dr. Dao and his public image, and would've no doubt been tough on his family and personal life. I am happy for he and his family's sake that they reached an amicable settlement so soon.

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Re: uNITED AND dR. dAO REACH SETTLEMENT

Thu Apr 27, 2017 9:38 pm

ikramerica wrote:
I'm sure it was for more than he deserved but not as much as he was hoping. Avoiding a trial and all the discovery of his past behaviors being made public was good for him.


Oh i think he got more then he imagined, his lawyers were probably setting the number and not budging too much. His legal team holds all the winning cards, united had NOTHING to play. United knows they would loose in court, the publicity would be hurting them everyday. They just want to move on, and this is still a headline grabbing story, his lawyers know they are winning in the end, united wants to move on ASAP. The video of him being dragged down the isle IS the average persons image of United Airlines right now.

I am sure he is not allowed to say as part of the agreement. His lawyers knew this was a slam dunk and would be the worst PR ever to go to trial. I think United dug in really deep here to stay out of court, they have to move on from this story. United didn't settle for cheap, im sure his legal team was extremely confident here, they have already won.
 
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Re: United and Dr. Dao reach settlement

Thu Apr 27, 2017 9:50 pm

No indication of if or when the City of Chicago is going to settle with the "security guards" bashing Dr. Dao's face and knocking his teeth out at United's directions.

More still to come I am thinking.

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Re: United and Dr. Dao reach settlement

Thu Apr 27, 2017 9:58 pm

I thought they had already reached an agreement - they would stop punching him in the face if he got off the plane.
 
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Re: United and Dr. Dao reach settlement

Thu Apr 27, 2017 10:15 pm

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Re: United and Dr. Dao reach settlement

Thu Apr 27, 2017 10:17 pm

OMP777X wrote:
I am guessing he settled for a very low seven figure number.


I'm guessing it was higher than you think it was. But, then again, we're all guessing.
 
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Re: United and Dr. Dao reach settlement

Thu Apr 27, 2017 10:33 pm

My guess is he opened at 25 million. They replied with a confidentiality agreement and $500,000.

My guess is it was 2-5 million, but it could be more like 8-9. In any case, it is vital that United put this behind them, and the confidentiality suits both parties, we might guess. Both are weary of the attention.
 
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Re: United and Dr. Dao reach settlement

Thu Apr 27, 2017 10:37 pm

Does settlement with United cover Republic?
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Re: United and Dr. Dao reach settlement

Thu Apr 27, 2017 10:38 pm

I'd be happy with free flights for me and my family until all of my family members are dead.
 
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Re: United and Dr. Dao reach settlement

Thu Apr 27, 2017 10:46 pm

UNITED admits all fault, City of Chicago is released and cannot be sued per the agreement.
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Re: United and Dr. Dao reach settlement

Thu Apr 27, 2017 10:47 pm

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Does settlement with United cover Republic?


I have no idea, but based on how everything went down, I don't think he'll be bringing a case against Republic. UA probably accepted full responsibility for the "United"-branded part of it, paid him out, and that's that. Republic really had no direct involvement in it from what we can tell and I doubt at this stage he'd waste his time trying to get blood from that bankrupt turnip.
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Re: United and Dr. Dao reach settlement

Thu Apr 27, 2017 10:48 pm

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I'd be happy with free flights for me and my family until all of my family members are dead.


I'm guessing next time he'll fly someone else.
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Re: United and Dr. Dao reach settlement

Thu Apr 27, 2017 10:49 pm

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UNITED admits all fault, City of Chicago is released and cannot be sued per the agreement.


Smart move on their part. Better to cough up some dough now and get it out of the news cycle than to have it played out all over again when he goes to court with the city.
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Re: United and Dr. Dao reach settlement

Thu Apr 27, 2017 10:52 pm

I wouldn't have given this clown a dime. Go talk with the City of Chicago PD who did the damage. All this is going to do is encourage others to try the same thing. You should see all the crap airline employee's have to put up with since this happened. Its ridiculous the garbage they now encounter.
 
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Re: United and Dr. Dao reach settlement

Thu Apr 27, 2017 10:55 pm

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I wouldn't have given this clown a dime. Go talk with the City of Chicago PD who did the damage. All this is going to do is encourage others to try the same thing. You should see all the crap airline employee's have to put up with since this happened. Its ridiculous the garbage they now encounter.


You are obviously not in the legal department or loss prevention. :-)
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Re: United and Dr. Dao reach settlement

Thu Apr 27, 2017 10:59 pm

FlyingSicilian wrote:
UNITED admits all fault, City of Chicago is released and cannot be sued per the agreement

Okay, thanks the linked article was short on details.



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I'd be happy with free flights for me and my family until all of my family members are dead.


Just a wild guess that the settlement was high enough that the Dr. and his family will be flying NetJets in the future at United's expense.

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Re: United and Dr. Dao reach settlement

Thu Apr 27, 2017 11:09 pm

Flighty wrote:
My guess is he opened at 25 million. They replied with a confidentiality agreement and $500,000.

My guess is it was 2-5 million, but it could be more like 8-9. In any case, it is vital that United put this behind them, and the confidentiality suits both parties, we might guess. Both are weary of the attention.

I would imagine the low end of your first estimate to be accurate, but as we already agree we are all just guesstimating. Keep in mind most cases involving loss of life don't even see awards of $8-9 million. In Chicago when CPD officer Van Dyke shot Laquan McDonald to death the city awarded his family $5 million, IIRC. I hope Dr. Dao has a speedy recovery, and no lasting damage in his sinus cavities, or lingering damage from his concussion. Either way, hopefully whatever amount the settlement was that is awarded to the Dr., I truly hope it is enough to cover his lost wages, past and future pain, and future medical costs or lost income that he sustains from this event.
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Re: United and Dr. Dao reach settlement

Thu Apr 27, 2017 11:43 pm

This was a great settlement it keeps all the news that he was convicted of trading prescriptions for sex away from the national media.
 
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Re: United and Dr. Dao reach settlement

Thu Apr 27, 2017 11:49 pm

Part of the agreement is UA has to name a plane of their choosing after Dr. Dao.

After which UA will ground it, retire it from service, and send it to VCV to be scrapped. ;)
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Re: United and Dr. Dao reach settlement

Fri Apr 28, 2017 12:58 am

This reminds me of how quickly Disney settled with the alligator kid family. But why was there not as much hatred against Disney?
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Re: United and Dr. Dao reach settlement

Fri Apr 28, 2017 1:08 am

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This reminds me of how quickly Disney settled with the alligator kid family. But why was there not as much hatred against Disney?


Disney is a very well respected company that has an incredible brand that in all honesty is there actual product they do just about anything to protect it. Also its harder to say that Disney was negligent, even if they were, as the general public kind of looked at the entire situation and went...an alligator in a Florida swamp...who ever would have guessed. Obviously it's horrible what happened in WDW and it should not have but its more understandable.

Overall airlines reputations are just slightly above that of the post office and the cable companies...Even WN, VX and B6 are still just considered a seat and mode of transit from point A to point B in the public's eyes.
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Re: United and Dr. Dao reach settlement

Fri Apr 28, 2017 1:11 am

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This reminds me of how quickly Disney settled with the alligator kid family. But why was there not as much hatred against Disney?


Because it wasn't an employee that ate the kid, and it wasn't an alligator that dragged Dr. Dao off the airplane.
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Re: United and Dr. Dao reach settlement

Fri Apr 28, 2017 1:23 am

My guess, having knowledge of some of how this works in real life and the kinds of numbers that get batted around.... His lawyers asked for 10-15 million, and settled for at least 5 million. This is not just about what a court would potentially give Dr. Dao; but, how much avoiding continued massive bad publicity worth to United; and the Lawyers know that - and would try to collect part of that value too (and United understands that cost as well). United was holding a mixed hand of deuces and treys, Dr. Dao's lawyers were holding the Aces and other face cards... and United knew that.

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Re: United and Dr. Dao reach settlement

Fri Apr 28, 2017 2:26 am

2175301 wrote:
My guess, having knowledge of some of how this works in real life and the kinds of numbers that get batted around.... His lawyers asked for 10-15 million, and settled for at least 5 million. This is not just about what a court would potentially give Dr. Dao; but, how much avoiding continued massive bad publicity worth to United; and the Lawyers know that - and would try to collect part of that value too (and United understands that cost as well). United was holding a mixed hand of deuces and treys, Dr. Dao's lawyers were holding the Aces and other face cards... and United knew that.

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Yeah, case itself is not worth more than 1-2 million, but as you say, this guy almost assassinated UA's brand forever. They need to pay him his money, some multiple on the value, get him happy and get this out of the papers. The quick end and his silence are pure gold to United.
 
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Re: United and Dr. Dao reach settlement

Fri Apr 28, 2017 3:01 am

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This reminds me of how quickly Disney settled with the alligator kid family. But why was there not as much hatred against Disney?

I do not recall Disney CEO callously commenting and blaming the family for this terrible accident. Do you?

The American public is used to people killed live on TV or social media every day. TKO onboard UA3411 was not the worst we have ever seen. However it took 48+ hours to Oscar Munoz to wake up and take charge. OM's PR failure paved the way to the fastest and easiest settlement ever. He now most likely lost chairmanship whether voluntarily or not. Glad this is over.
 
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Re: United and Dr. Dao reach settlement

Fri Apr 28, 2017 3:22 am

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I wouldn't have given this clown a dime. Go talk with the City of Chicago PD who did the damage. All this is going to do is encourage others to try the same thing. You should see all the crap airline employee's have to put up with since this happened. Its ridiculous the garbage they now encounter.


Yes, and while I could care less about Dr. Dao, you should see the crap we as passengers, have to put up with crappy flight crews! It is a Two Way Street. Do you know how we have to fear about getting arrested, detained or charged with a felony, because a flight attendant is on a power trip and I dare not complain about the stain on the filthy seat of the airplane? It's one of the reasons I have restricted my flying to essential travel only. It all has to do with the degradation of society (passengers) and crews with bad attitudes because they are either on a power trip or they hate their lousy airline employer. Furthermore, this is not restricted to airlines. People have become inconsiderate everywhere and employees suck almost everywhere. Welcome to the new world and social media!
 
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Fri Apr 28, 2017 3:31 am

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Yes, and while I could care less about Dr. Dao, you should see the crap we as passengers, have to put up with crappy flight crews! It is a Two Way Street. Do you know how we have to fear about getting arrested, detained or charged with a felony, because a flight attendant is on a power trip and I dare not complain about the stain on the filthy seat of the airplane? It's one of the reasons I have restricted my flying to essential travel only. It all has to do with the degradation of society (passengers) and crews with bad attitudes because they are either on a power trip or they hate their lousy airline employer. Furthermore, this is not restricted to airlines. People have become inconsiderate everywhere and employees suck almost everywhere. Welcome to the new world and social media!


I fully encourage you as a passenger when you have that less than stellar seat experience, or interaction with crew, etc. to ask to speak to a supervisor/manager. The majority of stuff goes unreported and if nobody reports it, we can't fix it. Sure the supervisor and manager sometimes have a bad attitude to but not everyone is that way.


Likely Dr. Dao got a settlement in the 5-8 million range, a NDA and likely some sort of agreement that he would steer clear of UA for at least 12 calendar months in order to prevent any more bad press and retaliation on either side. I'd argue the case itself was worth probably about 3 million and the rest would be what the lawyers were able to agree upon as the fast settlement fee.
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Re: United and Dr. Dao reach settlement

Fri Apr 28, 2017 3:37 am

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Or will Chicago file chargers against him for refusing to comply with the orders of a police officer? From everything that I've ever heard about the city, they know how to play hardball.
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Fri Apr 28, 2017 3:39 am

PlanesNTrains wrote:
727LOVER wrote:
This reminds me of how quickly Disney settled with the alligator kid family. But why was there not as much hatred against Disney?


Because it wasn't an employee that ate the kid, and it wasn't an alligator that dragged Dr. Dao off the airplane.


As I understand it, it wasn't an airline employee that dragged Dao off the plane - it was the City of Chicago Department of Aviation Police. Is that incorrect?
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Fri Apr 28, 2017 3:57 am

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I wouldn't have given this clown a dime. Go talk with the City of Chicago PD who did the damage. All this is going to do is encourage others to try the same thing. You should see all the crap airline employee's have to put up with since this happened. Its ridiculous the garbage they now encounter.


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Re: United and Dr. Dao reach settlement

Fri Apr 28, 2017 3:58 am

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Smart move on their part. Better to cough up some dough now and get it out of the news cycle than to have it played out all over again when he goes to court with the city.


The downside is we will probably never find out all the actual details of the event when witnesses are under oath. I understand, right or wrong, UA needs to bury this whole episode but it'd be a shame if they caved on a settlement for expediency instead of getting all the facts out in the open that "might" exonerate them.

Unless the UA agent roughed up the passenger before the police arrived, I wouldn't think they'd have much liability for any physical harm.

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Fri Apr 28, 2017 4:01 am

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PlanesNTrains wrote:
Smart move on their part. Better to cough up some dough now and get it out of the news cycle than to have it played out all over again when he goes to court with the city.


The downside is we will probably never find out all the actual details of the event when witnesses are under oath. I understand, right or wrong, UA needs to bury this whole episode but it'd be a shame if they caved on a settlement for expediency instead of getting all the facts out in the open that "might" exonerate them.

Unless the UA agent roughed up the passenger before the police arrived, I wouldn't think they'd have much liability for any physical harm.

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Fri Apr 28, 2017 4:04 am

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As I understand it, it wasn't an airline employee that dragged Dao off the plane - it was the City of Chicago Department of Aviation Police. Is that incorrect?

Yes, but at the request of the airline. They didn't just board a random flight and drag off a passenger, they wouldn't have been there if the airline hadn't asked them to remove someone.
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Fri Apr 28, 2017 4:04 am

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ubeema wrote:
Next ATM withdrawal - City of Chicago


Or will Chicago file chargers against him for refusing to comply with the orders of a police officer? From everything that I've ever heard about the city, they know how to play hardball.

Hardball until a settlement + NDA is reached. And you and I will never know what transpired.
 
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Fri Apr 28, 2017 4:14 am

Given his injuries, I'm sure United paid for all of his medical expenses and I wouldn't be surprised if United pays for full healthcare coverage for life.

Assuming the settlement is not covered by any type of insurance, where/how do these charges appear on United's financial statements?

How are Dr Dao's proceeds from the settlement treated from a tax perspective?
 
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Fri Apr 28, 2017 4:16 am

Moose135 wrote:
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As I understand it, it wasn't an airline employee that dragged Dao off the plane - it was the City of Chicago Department of Aviation Police. Is that incorrect?

Yes, but at the request of the airline. They didn't just board a random flight and drag off a passenger, they wouldn't have been there if the airline hadn't asked them to remove someone.

Your right they wouldn't have been there but the airline never requested that the police literally drag the passenger off the plane, they just asked to have the passenger removed which they had a right to do. If the police used excessive force to do so after Dr. Dao refused that is their fault not the airlines.
 
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Re: United and Dr. Dao reach settlement

Fri Apr 28, 2017 4:31 am

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PlanesNTrains wrote:
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This reminds me of how quickly Disney settled with the alligator kid family. But why was there not as much hatred against Disney?


Because it wasn't an employee that ate the kid, and it wasn't an alligator that dragged Dr. Dao off the airplane.


As I understand it, it wasn't an airline employee that dragged Dao off the plane - it was the City of Chicago Department of Aviation Police. Is that incorrect?


That's factually correct, but in the court of public opinion it was UA.
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Re: United and Dr. Dao reach settlement

Fri Apr 28, 2017 4:36 am

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Given his injuries, I'm sure United paid for all of his medical expenses and I wouldn't be surprised if United pays for full healthcare coverage for life. Assuming the settlement is not covered by any type of insurance, where/how do these charges appear on United's financial statements? How are Dr Dao's proceeds from the settlement treated from a tax perspective?


While UA undoubtedly carries a huge umbrella policy, I doubt the settlement was paid by insurance; they would have fought it (and they would have every right to fight it) if it was considered excessive. I would bet that most - if not all - will be paid by UA; that means it might be possible for a really good financial sleuth to determine (at least approximately) the amount paid, once the next public financial reports are filed. On the other hand, it may very well be that the settlement will be paid over an extended period of time; if that is the case, it may be small enough each quarter to be obscured in the mandatory financial filings.

Tax liability will be determined by whether the settlement is structured as compensatory damages (such as damages for medical expenses, pain and suffering, etc) which are not generally taxable, or punitive damages/exemplary damages, which generally are taxable. A good plaintiff's attorney will know how to word the settlement to avoid tax liability.

The one monkey wrench might be that, if the settlement is truly huge, the IRS might want to take a look to see that the damages are actually non-taxable, and not just structured to avoid taxation. They have a habit of being less-friendly than even the group that dragged Mr. Dao off the plane in the first place. ;)
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Re: United and Dr. Dao reach settlement

Fri Apr 28, 2017 4:44 am

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Assuming the settlement is not covered by any type of insurance, where/how do these charges appear on United's financial statements?

Most corporations have insurance for legal issues in the normal course of business. Also with NDA in place this will under wrap regardless. They settle/litigate business disputes all the time that's the job of inside Counsel. Would be a different issue if we were talking multiple billion dollars payout a la BP, GM, or VW. In which case they would make provisions ahead and definitely would be disclosed in financial statements.
 
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Re: United and Dr. Dao reach settlement

Fri Apr 28, 2017 6:14 am

Getting bashed and drag was probably the greatest thing that has/will happen to this dude. Fuggim.

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Might want to take care to never be on the same plane at the same time then... I mean, insurance would cover deaths in a crash; and that's a lot of potential liability eliminated, with no CapEx required. Just sayin'.
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Re: United and Dr. Dao reach settlement

Fri Apr 28, 2017 6:37 am

One things for sure, whatever the amount, UA made that much (if not more) in profit since the OP started this thread.

The legal knew this when Oscar owned up.

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Fri Apr 28, 2017 6:42 am

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ubeema wrote:
Next ATM withdrawal - City of Chicago


Or will Chicago file chargers against him for refusing to comply with the orders of a police officer? From everything that I've ever heard about the city, they know how to play hardball.


They were not "Police" and had been told by the City to stop wearing anything that said "police" on it (but, the city knew that some of them still did them). If the ones involved were wearing clothing that said Police... (I don't recall and am not going back to look at the video); not only are they "impersonating a police officer" (and should be charged by the DA for that); but the City has known about this.. (and why has not the DA office previously charged said people). City play hardball... and this lands in court where the City has little chance. Knowingly letting people impersonate police; people not following procedures and protocol, etc. "he swung first" has no legal meaning if the person is defending himself and preventing forced removal (kidnapping?) from people who have no legal right to even ask him to leave (or perhaps theft of ticketed property). I want to watch this go to trial if the City plays hardball...

Now the City of Chicago has a history of blaming the victim and claiming that their employees did no major wrongs; even when they have video taped evidence to the contrary (and even when it took over a year long legal battle to get those video tapes public); and they like to make the appearance of playing hardball... But, put them against real ball players and they embarrass themselves...

No, the City will quickly settle this... as they don't even want it to come even close to a courtroom.

Have a great day,
 
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Re: United and Dr. Dao reach settlement

Fri Apr 28, 2017 6:56 am

What ever the out come, his legal team could probably put their feet up for the rest of the year down at Key West, sipping a cool one. :dollarsign: :dollarsign: :dollarsign:
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Re: United and Dr. Dao reach settlement

Fri Apr 28, 2017 7:47 am

peterinlisbon wrote:
I thought they had already reached an agreement - they would stop punching him in the face if he got off the plane.

Bwaahahaha! Should not read this while drinking coffee! :rotfl: Have to wipe my screen now!
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Re: United and Dr. Dao reach settlement

Fri Apr 28, 2017 8:07 am

The figure circling in Chinese social media is he got $140 million. Is that even possible?

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