tphuang wrote:Okcflyer wrote:AA's 738s (and -8s) will seat 8 more than United's slimline edition. United uses a 16J front cabin with a decent-sized Economy Plus cabin.
Assuming AA keeps the same A321 cabin on the neo, looks like the -8 Max will have a lower CASM compared to the 321neo, and certainly so below 2000nm. The A321 will <should> generate a slightly higher RASM from the larger front and MCE cabins.
For those that tend to lump the 738 and A320 in the "same size" bracket, this is one example that demostrates the 738 capacity is actually quite a bit larger (at least two rows physically). Reality is, it's about halfway sized between A320 and A321. I think this is one reason so many Airbus operators are going A321neo on this buying cycle, the A320 is just a little too small for economical optimum.
Interestingly enough, the new AA configuration is likely to be more roomy then legacy European carriers with their slimline, packed out stuffing of 180pax in the A320 (different J class offsets slightly)
A320 still has wider seats than 738, which makes it easier to tolerate the less leg room. I know the Boeing fans keep telling me there is no difference, but I feel it every time I fly on a 738, even when I get those economy plus seats. And the difference between a 738 seat and E90 seat for a 4 hour or under flight is humongous.
AA will not keep A321 the same, it will install the same slimline seats and squeeze passengers even more. That's what Doug Parker and his crew have been doing for a while nowWell, Delta said it was selling 57% of its first and business class seats last year, with a goal of selling 70%. The link below cites Hauenstein for those figures.
https://skift.com/2016/03/04/delta-to-c ... es-harder/
When Delta started bragging, IIRC, United said that it was selling ~45% of its premium cabin seats but I can't find a reference for it - and I'm not going to comb earnings call transcripts.
Just 3% for AA sounds really, really improbable to me - even if you argued that domestic sell rates are lower than international.
Delta is notorious for selling more of their domestic first class seats at $100 more than the economy seats. The upgrades are completely non-existent. Their award chart is horrible. AA has been selling more of their first class seats from what I can see, but there is still a real price difference. I don't know why people are paying 3 or 4 times more for a non A321T first class seat, but that's just me. I think AA has caught on that too many EXP members are just getting free upgrades all day long and they need to remove FC inventory. They have already gone through one of the large devaluations in the frequent flyer program, I guess it's not close to finishing.
I will turn it around on you. I know Airbus fanboys will tell you that seat width is critical and pitch is secondary, but I will tell you that last week I flew on an Ejet with wider seats and 30" pitch and a 738 with narrower seats and 31" pitch, and as a shorter, rounder fellow the 738 seats were completely fine and there was no noticeable difference to me than the Ejet seat in width, at least from a comfort standpoint. The pitch literally mattered to both of us more. If you want to label me a Boeing fanboy then so be it.