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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2017

Wed May 24, 2017 6:51 am

China Airlines is reducing MEL to 2x weekly between 20 August and 28 October 2017, suspending the Sunday (ex-Taipei) service (Monday ex-Melbourne).

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... e-changes/
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2017

Wed May 24, 2017 7:13 am

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China Airlines is reducing MEL to 2x weekly between 20 August and 28 October 2017, suspending the Sunday (ex-Taipei) service (Monday ex-Melbourne).

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... e-changes/


I hadn't realised they were year round to MEL now.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2017

Wed May 24, 2017 7:55 am

Hi Vapour Trails, thank you for quoting from a quoted source that some of us can't access, appreciate it mate.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2017

Wed May 24, 2017 11:40 pm

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If QF want something that is truly Australian in the 21st century, what about #HalalSnackPack? :lol: :duck:


Its probably not on a trademark register though only Sam Dastyari could submit it as it (I think) was his creation, which is pretty provable.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2017

Wed May 24, 2017 11:48 pm

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Vegemite is pushing the name the Dreamliner quite hard. I hope we don't have a QF 787 looking like this. :eyebrow:

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Yeah, the publicity this is getting is really quite effective, I for one cannot wait to see what the names will be! :profile:

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Hi Vapour Trails, thank you for quoting from a quoted source that some of us can't access, appreciate it mate.


Hi TN486, thanks for the feedback. I find that links break after a time and you are left with no info, so for respective reasons it is also really good to have some of the info as text in the thread/post. Some links are also blocked by a paywall so some of us can't see them, which may be what you are experiencing as well here.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2017

Thu May 25, 2017 3:22 pm

LA to operate 788 on SCL-AKL-SYD between 30 September and 15 November 2017

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... t-changes/
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2017

Thu May 25, 2017 7:18 pm

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smallvoyageur wrote:
If QF want something that is truly Australian in the 21st century, what about #HalalSnackPack? :lol: :duck:


Its probably not on a trademark register though only Sam Dastyari could submit it as it (I think) was his creation, which is pretty provable.


Any trade court would say that the term as become so generic to what it is that anyone trying to trademark it would have that thrown out.

I was only joking, I thought it would be a nice humorous suggestion.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2017

Thu May 25, 2017 8:05 pm

CZ opens reservations for MEL-SZX, due to begin in just a weeks time! Is this the fastest launch period for an international flight in Australia?

CZ3074 MEL 08:00 - 15:35 SZX A332 257
CZ3073 SZX 19:05 - 06:20+1 MEL A332 146
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2017

Thu May 25, 2017 8:50 pm

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LA to operate 788 on SCL-AKL-SYD between 30 September and 15 November 2017

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... t-changes/


Must be low season for them? I guess its better to downgrade to an 788 than going less than daily.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2017

Fri May 26, 2017 12:14 am

JL announced NRT-MEL

http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Consume ... lia-Hawaii

Surprised around CZ and SZX - didn't CA announce then cancel, then only recently announce again? They won't be able to fly this route now will they? With CAAC one airline per route policy.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2017

Fri May 26, 2017 12:16 am

Not much detail but the West is reporting an emergency landing at PER this morning. Skippers aviation aircraft was reported to be having engine problems shortly after take off. From the scant details, I'm guessing it was one of their Dash-8 300s.

https://thewest.com.au/travel/air-aviat ... b88488030z
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2017

Fri May 26, 2017 12:17 am

Malindo eyes nonstop KUL-BNE flights with A330's from December

https://www.ausbt.com.au/malindo-air-ey ... owth-plans
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2017

Fri May 26, 2017 1:55 am

TT to offer BNE-CBR flights, 3 weekly from 14 September

http://australianaviation.com.au/2017/0 ... a-flights/
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2017

Fri May 26, 2017 2:01 am

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qf789 wrote:
LA to operate 788 on SCL-AKL-SYD between 30 September and 15 November 2017

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... t-changes/


Must be low season for them? I guess its better to downgrade to an 788 than going less than daily.


SCL-MEL starts on 5th October so perhaps that has something to do with temporary downgrade
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2017

Fri May 26, 2017 2:09 am

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TT to offer BNE-CBR flights, 3 weekly from 14 September

http://australianaviation.com.au/2017/0 ... a-flights/


Fantastic news!
Slowly building and being well supported by Canberrans. ADL would be a good next step especially on a saturday as there are currently no direct flights. Probably OOL to be replaced by TR when VAs e190s are gone too.

Will JQ look at entering this market now?
 
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Fri May 26, 2017 6:15 am

Fantastic news!
Slowly building and being well supported by Canberrans. ADL would be a good next step especially on a saturday as there are currently no direct flights. Probably OOL to be replaced by TR when VAs e190s are gone too.

Will JQ look at entering this market now?


Interesting that VA are expanding TT in a different manner compared with QF's treatment of JQ. VA appear to be consciously avoiding putting TT into too much direct competition against its parent as well as making sure there can be no confusion between the product offerings of the two. For example there is no codesharing and definitely no ability to earn Velocity points or access lounges when flying TT. In contrast, JQ has significant wingtip flying against QF as well as codesharing and letting pax earn QFF points/status credits and access Qantas Clubs. I can see arguments for and against both approaches.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2017

Fri May 26, 2017 6:32 am

qantas747 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
TT to offer BNE-CBR flights, 3 weekly from 14 September

http://australianaviation.com.au/2017/0 ... a-flights/


Fantastic news!
Slowly building and being well supported by Canberrans. ADL would be a good next step especially on a saturday as there are currently no direct flights. Probably OOL to be replaced by TR when VAs e190s are gone too.

Will JQ look at entering this market now?


OOL-CBR is operated by 737's as frequently, if not more, that it is by E190s so I wouldn't be so sure that it'll get the chop once the E190s go... though I would agree that it would make sense for TT to take over the route.

I'd be surprised if JQ did, they've been held out of CBR for 13 years now by QF and I don't think that'll change. I dont think a daily service from MEL and a 3x weekly from BNE is enough to scare QF/JQ into changing their current strategy.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2017

Fri May 26, 2017 6:34 am

tullamarine wrote:
Fantastic news!
Slowly building and being well supported by Canberrans. ADL would be a good next step especially on a saturday as there are currently no direct flights. Probably OOL to be replaced by TR when VAs e190s are gone too.

Will JQ look at entering this market now?


Interesting that VA are expanding TT in a different manner compared with QF's treatment of JQ. VA appear to be consciously avoiding putting TT into too much direct competition against its parent as well as making sure there can be no confusion between the product offerings of the two. For example there is no codesharing and definitely no ability to earn Velocity points or access lounges when flying TT. In contrast, JQ has significant wingtip flying against QF as well as codesharing and letting pax earn QFF points/status credits and access Qantas Clubs. I can see arguments for and against both approaches.


As can I, but I think it's fair to say these are all the reasons that JQ is very unlikely to show up in CBR, at least in the foreseeable future.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2017

Fri May 26, 2017 7:27 am

Schedule for the JAL flights to Melbourne
http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... -sep-2017/

BTW, I've posted this twice before yet it's been deleted. Can someone tell me why, Thanks.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2017

Fri May 26, 2017 7:28 am

tullamarine wrote:
Fantastic news!
Slowly building and being well supported by Canberrans. ADL would be a good next step especially on a saturday as there are currently no direct flights. Probably OOL to be replaced by TR when VAs e190s are gone too.

Will JQ look at entering this market now?


Interesting that VA are expanding TT in a different manner compared with QF's treatment of JQ. VA appear to be consciously avoiding putting TT into too much direct competition against its parent as well as making sure there can be no confusion between the product offerings of the two. For example there is no codesharing and definitely no ability to earn Velocity points or access lounges when flying TT. In contrast, JQ has significant wingtip flying against QF as well as codesharing and letting pax earn QFF points/status credits and access Qantas Clubs. I can see arguments for and against both approaches.


Going back in time, when JQ first commenced flying and for quite some years afterwards "QF consciously avoided putting JQ into ANY direct competition against its parent as well as making sure there could be no confusion between the product offerings of the two". ditto to codesharing,ff points and lounges. So once TT flying "matures" on expansion in the coming years, I expect to see VA/TT wingtip flying and the rest becoming the norm vis a vis QF/JQ.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2017

Fri May 26, 2017 8:41 am

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zkncj wrote:
qf789 wrote:
LA to operate 788 on SCL-AKL-SYD between 30 September and 15 November 2017

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... t-changes/


Must be low season for them? I guess its better to downgrade to an 788 than going less than daily.


SCL-MEL starts on 5th October so perhaps that has something to do with temporary downgrade


I'd say 789 maintanence, 1 needed for 3 weekly MEL and the other out for maintanence? And probably a slowish period aswell.

JL773/774 were the old AKL flights way back.
 
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Fri May 26, 2017 8:49 am

TN486 wrote:
tullamarine wrote:
Fantastic news!
Slowly building and being well supported by Canberrans. ADL would be a good next step especially on a saturday as there are currently no direct flights. Probably OOL to be replaced by TR when VAs e190s are gone too.

Will JQ look at entering this market now?


Interesting that VA are expanding TT in a different manner compared with QF's treatment of JQ. VA appear to be consciously avoiding putting TT into too much direct competition against its parent as well as making sure there can be no confusion between the product offerings of the two. For example there is no codesharing and definitely no ability to earn Velocity points or access lounges when flying TT. In contrast, JQ has significant wingtip flying against QF as well as codesharing and letting pax earn QFF points/status credits and access Qantas Clubs. I can see arguments for and against both approaches.


Going back in time, when JQ first commenced flying and for quite some years afterwards "QF consciously avoided putting JQ into ANY direct competition against its parent as well as making sure there could be no confusion between the product offerings of the two". ditto to codesharing,ff points and lounges. So once TT flying "matures" on expansion in the coming years, I expect to see VA/TT wingtip flying and the rest becoming the norm vis a vis QF/JQ.


Also I've heard rumours of JQ and QF cancelling flights due to low load factors and rebooking people on the others flights. Equally they now do this during disrupts which they never used too- it was always completely seperate.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2017

Fri May 26, 2017 12:25 pm

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Also I've heard rumours of JQ and QF cancelling flights due to low load factors and rebooking people on the others flights. Equally they now do this during disrupts which they never used too- it was always completely seperate.


When did "now" start? They have been cross booking during IRROPS for years.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2017

Sun May 28, 2017 1:39 am

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qf2220 wrote:
smallvoyageur wrote:
If QF want something that is truly Australian in the 21st century, what about #HalalSnackPack? :lol: :duck:


Its probably not on a trademark register though only Sam Dastyari could submit it as it (I think) was his creation, which is pretty provable.


Any trade court would say that the term as become so generic to what it is that anyone trying to trademark it would have that thrown out.

I was only joking, I thought it would be a nice humorous suggestion.


Yes, sorry I meant for mine to be a bit of a tounge in cheek comment too! Didnt put enough smilies on it sorry!
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2017

Sun May 28, 2017 11:37 pm

UL to Melbourne Confirmed from October 29th

UL604 CMB 23:50 - 15:25+1 MEL A333 D
UL605 MEL 16:55 - 22:15 CMB A333 D

https://www.ausbt.com.au/srilankan-airl ... om-october

Melbourne has now added AC, JL and UL within just a few weeks
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2017

Mon May 29, 2017 1:41 pm

smi0006 wrote:
TN486 wrote:
tullamarine wrote:

Interesting that VA are expanding TT in a different manner compared with QF's treatment of JQ. VA appear to be consciously avoiding putting TT into too much direct competition against its parent as well as making sure there can be no confusion between the product offerings of the two. For example there is no codesharing and definitely no ability to earn Velocity points or access lounges when flying TT. In contrast, JQ has significant wingtip flying against QF as well as codesharing and letting pax earn QFF points/status credits and access Qantas Clubs. I can see arguments for and against both approaches.


Going back in time, when JQ first commenced flying and for quite some years afterwards "QF consciously avoided putting JQ into ANY direct competition against its parent as well as making sure there could be no confusion between the product offerings of the two". ditto to codesharing,ff points and lounges. So once TT flying "matures" on expansion in the coming years, I expect to see VA/TT wingtip flying and the rest becoming the norm vis a vis QF/JQ.


Also I've heard rumours of JQ and QF cancelling flights due to low load factors and rebooking people on the others flights. Equally they now do this during disrupts which they never used too- it was always completely seperate.

Yes this is mostly JQ (since QF customers obviously don't want to fly JQ). The JQ flight gets cancelled and they get upgraded to the QF flight for free. In the meantime JQ saves a stack of money by not operating the service and QF wears the cost of taking those passengers for free (this along with freight quotas is one of the ways costs are shifted within the Qantas Group).
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2017

Mon May 29, 2017 1:46 pm

log0008 wrote:
UL to Melbourne Confirmed from October 29th

UL604 CMB 23:50 - 15:25+1 MEL A333 D
UL605 MEL 16:55 - 22:15 CMB A333 D

https://www.ausbt.com.au/srilankan-airl ... om-october

Melbourne has now added AC, JL and UL within just a few weeks


I was hoping UL would perhaps consider PER over MEL and launch a codeshare with VA or QF to funnel pax to the Eastern states, similar to SA and MK. But I guess the O&D demand is too small to warrant this.

Will be interesting to see if KQ's plans to service PER ever materialize. Perhaps ET could be a better contender? Surely a 3 x weekly ADD-PER service could work.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2017

Mon May 29, 2017 1:55 pm

Zkpilot wrote:
smi0006 wrote:
TN486 wrote:

Going back in time, when JQ first commenced flying and for quite some years afterwards "QF consciously avoided putting JQ into ANY direct competition against its parent as well as making sure there could be no confusion between the product offerings of the two". ditto to codesharing,ff points and lounges. So once TT flying "matures" on expansion in the coming years, I expect to see VA/TT wingtip flying and the rest becoming the norm vis a vis QF/JQ.


Also I've heard rumours of JQ and QF cancelling flights due to low load factors and rebooking people on the others flights. Equally they now do this during disrupts which they never used too- it was always completely seperate.

Yes this is mostly JQ (since QF customers obviously don't want to fly JQ). The JQ flight gets cancelled and they get upgraded to the QF flight for free. In the meantime JQ saves a stack of money by not operating the service and QF wears the cost of taking those passengers for free (this along with freight quotas is one of the ways costs are shifted within the Qantas Group).


There is no way in hell QF is carrying JQ passengers for free ! They will bill them for every possible cent and then an extra handling fee for doing it, plus probably an accounting fee for issuing an invoice. If you think just because they are owned by QF, JQ gets anything for free from them, you are living in a dark past. Those sort of activities ceased long ago and every division will bill every other division on an agreed inter company rate, but it certainly will not be for free.
 
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Mon May 29, 2017 10:15 pm

Zkpilot wrote:
smi0006 wrote:
TN486 wrote:

Going back in time, when JQ first commenced flying and for quite some years afterwards "QF consciously avoided putting JQ into ANY direct competition against its parent as well as making sure there could be no confusion between the product offerings of the two". ditto to codesharing,ff points and lounges. So once TT flying "matures" on expansion in the coming years, I expect to see VA/TT wingtip flying and the rest becoming the norm vis a vis QF/JQ.


Also I've heard rumours of JQ and QF cancelling flights due to low load factors and rebooking people on the others flights. Equally they now do this during disrupts which they never used too- it was always completely seperate.

Yes this is mostly JQ (since QF customers obviously don't want to fly JQ). The JQ flight gets cancelled and they get upgraded to the QF flight for free. In the meantime JQ saves a stack of money by not operating the service and QF wears the cost of taking those passengers for free (this along with freight quotas is one of the ways costs are shifted within the Qantas Group).


Good to see the old conspiracies are alive and well...... Come on, QF is far more businesslike than you give it credit for.
 
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Mon May 29, 2017 11:17 pm

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I was hoping UL would perhaps consider PER over MEL and launch a codeshare with VA or QF to funnel pax to the Eastern states, similar to SA and MK. But I guess the O&D demand is too small to warrant this.

Will be interesting to see if KQ's plans to service PER ever materialize. Perhaps ET could be a better contender? Surely a 3 x weekly ADD-PER service could work.


That's sort of poor business, MEL-CMB one-stop has a lot of competition through SIN, BKK, KUL etc.. UL won't be competitive by offering a domestic connection via PER. They already offer this via SIN and KUL so why go to the trouble and launch PER? Half of the Sri Lankan community reside in Victoria so it makes perfect sense to fly where demand is most, they are also looking at capturing Indian connection traffic so that is also another point in MEL's favour.

MEL has its eyes on ET, there were a few meeting just a month ago, ET's CEO even stated that he was looking to launch MEL.
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Mon May 29, 2017 11:52 pm

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I was hoping UL would perhaps consider PER over MEL and launch a codeshare with VA or QF to funnel pax to the Eastern states, similar to SA and MK. But I guess the O&D demand is too small to warrant this.

Will be interesting to see if KQ's plans to service PER ever materialize. Perhaps ET could be a better contender? Surely a 3 x weekly ADD-PER service could work.


That's sort of poor business, MEL-CMB one-stop has a lot of competition through SIN, BKK, KUL etc.. UL won't be competitive by offering a domestic connection via PER. They already offer this via SIN and KUL so why go to the trouble and launch PER? Half of the Sri Lankan community reside in Victoria so it makes perfect sense to fly where demand is most, they are also looking at capturing Indian connection traffic so that is also another point in MEL's favour.

MEL has its eyes on ET, there were a few meeting just a month ago, ET's CEO even stated that he was looking to launch MEL.


Not only does Victoria have the most significant Sri Lankan community we also have the largest Indian population (and Indian student market) and considering Australia's Indian population has a tendency to be from the lower half of India UL should be able to grab some of that market, currently dominated by SIN & KUL ahead of DEL.
 
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Tue May 30, 2017 1:10 am

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Zkpilot wrote:
smi0006 wrote:

Also I've heard rumours of JQ and QF cancelling flights due to low load factors and rebooking people on the others flights. Equally they now do this during disrupts which they never used too- it was always completely seperate.

Yes this is mostly JQ (since QF customers obviously don't want to fly JQ). The JQ flight gets cancelled and they get upgraded to the QF flight for free. In the meantime JQ saves a stack of money by not operating the service and QF wears the cost of taking those passengers for free (this along with freight quotas is one of the ways costs are shifted within the Qantas Group).


Good to see the old conspiracies are alive and well...... Come on, QF is far more businesslike than you give it credit for.

Yes very businesslike... there is a reason that this is done - moves costs around for various benefits and of course it looks better for the banks and investors.
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Tue May 30, 2017 4:06 am

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qf2220 wrote:
Zkpilot wrote:
Yes this is mostly JQ (since QF customers obviously don't want to fly JQ). The JQ flight gets cancelled and they get upgraded to the QF flight for free. In the meantime JQ saves a stack of money by not operating the service and QF wears the cost of taking those passengers for free (this along with freight quotas is one of the ways costs are shifted within the Qantas Group).


Good to see the old conspiracies are alive and well...... Come on, QF is far more businesslike than you give it credit for.

Yes very businesslike... there is a reason that this is done - moves costs around for various benefits and of course it looks better for the banks and investors.


You initially claimed they did it for free but now agree they don't but it's still some sort of conspiracy? Makes sense...
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2017

Tue May 30, 2017 7:46 am

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I was hoping UL would perhaps consider PER over MEL and launch a codeshare with VA or QF to funnel pax to the Eastern states, similar to SA and MK. But I guess the O&D demand is too small to warrant this.

Will be interesting to see if KQ's plans to service PER ever materialize. Perhaps ET could be a better contender? Surely a 3 x weekly ADD-PER service could work.


That's sort of poor business, MEL-CMB one-stop has a lot of competition through SIN, BKK, KUL etc.. UL won't be competitive by offering a domestic connection via PER. They already offer this via SIN and KUL so why go to the trouble and launch PER? Half of the Sri Lankan community reside in Victoria so it makes perfect sense to fly where demand is most, they are also looking at capturing Indian connection traffic so that is also another point in MEL's favour.

MEL has its eyes on ET, there were a few meeting just a month ago, ET's CEO even stated that he was looking to launch MEL.


Does Melbourne have a reasonable size Ethiopian community? I fee anecdotal their is a growing African despora which ET could tap into, could a 789 make the route non-stop?
 
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Tue May 30, 2017 9:11 am

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Does Melbourne have a reasonable size Ethiopian community? I fee anecdotal their is a growing African despora which ET could tap into, could a 789 make the route non-stop?


The Ethiopian diaspora - note spelling - in Melbourne is not huge. While it may be possible to argue a case that a 3 x weekly from MEL could perhaps be made to work, I expect it would be to NBO rather than ADD. Such a route would rely heavily on the tourist market and there is almost none to Ethiopia, the great (accessible) game reserves are in Kenya. There is some Christian tourism, but that doesn't account for much.

And ultimately, I think that even NBO-MEL might be a strain for an airline

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2017

Tue May 30, 2017 9:23 am

Interline rates due to IRROPS are controlled by IATA, QF can't give those seats away even if they wanted to.
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Does Melbourne have a reasonable size Ethiopian community? I fee anecdotal their is a growing African despora which ET could tap into, could a 789 make the route non-stop?


The Ethiopian diaspora - note spelling - in Melbourne is not huge. While it may be possible to argue a case that a 3 x weekly from MEL could perhaps be made to work, I expect it would be to NBO rather than ADD. Such a route would rely heavily on the tourist market and there is almost none to Ethiopia, the great (accessible) game reserves are in Kenya. There is some Christian tourism, but that doesn't account for much.

And ultimately, I think that even NBO-MEL might be a strain for an airline

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What about a triangular route NBO-MEL-SYD-NBO?

Though noting the presence of EK, QR and EY, it would be up against tough price competition.
 
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Tue May 30, 2017 10:55 am

In their AGM, Sydney Airport has shown a new plan to increase terminal capacity.
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Tue May 30, 2017 10:58 am

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Good to see the old conspiracies are alive and well...... Come on, QF is far more businesslike than you give it credit for.

Yes very businesslike... there is a reason that this is done - moves costs around for various benefits and of course it looks better for the banks and investors.


You initially claimed they did it for free but now agree they don't but it's still some sort of conspiracy? Makes sense...

Still do and no I don't agree they don't. If JQ is keeping the money and QF is flying their passengers for free or for a small token then that is cost shifting. Makes JQ look like it's doing better than it is and helps keep government/public sympathy on QF side when battling other airlines. A lot of this of course came to a head when QF posted huge losses and got the government to relax the QSA significantly.
Another example until recently (possibly still happens) QF "pays" JQ to carry space for a freight can onboard every flight whether it is used or not. That's multi millions of cross subsidies each year.
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Tue May 30, 2017 11:07 am

Sydney airport is currently working over the next 12 months to release a master plan which looks at development to 2039.

It will include
expansion of T1 by adding new gates, apron capacity and baggage system expansions
A new Terminal 4 which would provide international gates adjoining to T2/3
New aeronautical facilities

http://www.airlineratings.com/news/1264 ... w-terminal
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Tue May 30, 2017 7:13 pm

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What about a triangular route NBO-MEL-SYD-NBO?

Though noting the presence of EK, QR and EY, it would be up against tough price competition.


Well - maybe, although I wouldn't risk it if it were my money - LOL.

Certainly, there is a market Oz/East Africa, but the backbone of it is tourism - game parks - and as you point out it is already quite well serviced. I guess if it could be scheduled as a thru' flight - LHR-NBO-MEL - that might improve its chances, but last time I had much too do with the area the Euro/ME airlines were discounting like crazy in order to get tourist bums on seats.

There may be a way to tap into the African market - I've always thought Mauritius was overly ignored but then I went there and found out why - but I don't think anyone has really cracked it yet.

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Tue May 30, 2017 7:22 pm

Notwithstanding the fact that Qantas do charge Jetstar for passengers reaccomodated on their services, even if they didn't it really isn't much of a "cross subsidisation". We're not talking about adding extra segments here, but accessing unsold inventory on existing flights. The marginal cost of those seats is very low if the flight is going anyway. Yes, you will require some additional fuel and catering, but those seats don't need to cover your fixed costs of operating. If anything that sounds more like a "subsidy" from Jetstar to Qantas. :roll:
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Wed May 31, 2017 3:35 am

qf789 wrote:
Sydney airport is currently working over the next 12 months to release a master plan which looks at development to 2039.

It will include
expansion of T1 by adding new gates, apron capacity and baggage system expansions
A new Terminal 4 which would provide international gates adjoining to T2/3
New aeronautical facilities

http://www.airlineratings.com/news/1264 ... w-terminal


What do we think the T4 gates would be used for? Given the proximity to and ability to connect from T2 and T3, would mainly be for NZ and Pacific flights perhaps given they're sort of domestic in nature?
 
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Wed May 31, 2017 4:15 am

qf789 wrote:
Sydney airport is currently working over the next 12 months to release a master plan which looks at development to 2039.

It will include
expansion of T1 by adding new gates, apron capacity and baggage system expansions
A new Terminal 4 which would provide international gates adjoining to T2/3
New aeronautical facilities

http://www.airlineratings.com/news/1264 ... w-terminal


I stopped reading at 2039. This is third world. Beijing is building a new world's largest airport in roughly 4 years.
 
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Wed May 31, 2017 4:52 am

xiaotung wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Sydney airport is currently working over the next 12 months to release a master plan which looks at development to 2039.

It will include
expansion of T1 by adding new gates, apron capacity and baggage system expansions
A new Terminal 4 which would provide international gates adjoining to T2/3
New aeronautical facilities

http://www.airlineratings.com/news/1264 ... w-terminal


I stopped reading at 2039. This is third world. Beijing is building a new world's largest airport in roughly 4 years.


These master plans which the airline owners have to produce every 5 years as part of their lease agreements are largely "puff-pieces" and little more than wishlists. Go onto their last submitted plans and see how much is underway. Typically it is not much except for expanded shopping areas!!!

MEL is due to produce their next plan next year and it is fair to say that they could probably send out the same report as last time. The only significant change has been the completion of T4 which was already underway when the last report was produced. They have hinted that the next report will cover the redevelopment of T2 but like SYD's efforts it will probably be a few conceptual drawings with a timeline way into the future.

SYD are fighting a rearguard action following their failure to stymie the development of Badgery's Creek. Few believe most of these pretty pictures will turn into anything real within the next 20 years.
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Wed May 31, 2017 5:05 am

Interesting move EK to cancel their SYD-AKL 380 replaced by QF upgauging thief morning flight to a 330 daily and their PM flight six a week to 330. Wonder if the Jetconnect 737s will be redeployed as a result?

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Wed May 31, 2017 5:08 am

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Interesting move EK to cancel their SYD-AKL 380 replaced by QF upgauging thief morning flight to a 330 daily and their PM flight six a week to 330. Wonder if the Jetconnect 737s will be redeployed as a result?

https://www.ausbt.com.au/emirates-axes- ... 80-flights

Some of the mainline QF 737s were doing Jetconnect routes, so this could be to free them up.
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Wed May 31, 2017 5:14 am

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Interesting move EK to cancel their SYD-AKL 380 replaced by QF upgauging thief morning flight to a 330 daily and their PM flight six a week to 330. Wonder if the Jetconnect 737s will be redeployed as a result?

https://www.ausbt.com.au/emirates-axes- ... 80-flights


So does this mean the A380 will sit around in Sydney all day, or will the flight be re-timed. I always though EK knew these flights would never fill but found that it was more economical to keep them flying over sitting around all day.

Also this means, along with China Airlines who axed their flights from Sydney to Auckland, the 5th freedom flights between Sydney and Auckland are becoming less common leaving only LATAM Chile.

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Wed May 31, 2017 5:50 am

Some of the mainline QF 737s were doing Jetconnect routes, so this could be to free them up.


I assume the 737s will go onto the PER services previously operated by the A330s.

So does this mean the A380 will sit around in Sydney all day, or will the flight be re-timed. I always though EK knew these flights would never fill but found that it was more economical to keep them flying over sitting around all day.


I'd guess there will be a re-timing but maybe it works out cheaper from a crewing perspective to turnaround the A380 in SYD. As crew overnighted in AKL, the AKL service added 2 days to the amount of time crews are away from DXB. This is not an insignificant cost which will be removed by the cancellation of the AKL tag. This, along with the reduced cycles on the A380s, may be enough to convince EK to give up a service that was probably marginal and not necessary for EK to maintain a NZ presence now they have their non-stop service.

The next question is whether the MEL and BNE tags will also be removed.
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Wed May 31, 2017 6:21 am

tullamarine wrote:
Some of the mainline QF 737s were doing Jetconnect routes, so this could be to free them up.


I assume the 737s will go onto the PER services previously operated by the A330s.

So does this mean the A380 will sit around in Sydney all day, or will the flight be re-timed. I always though EK knew these flights would never fill but found that it was more economical to keep them flying over sitting around all day.


I'd guess there will be a re-timing but maybe it works out cheaper from a crewing perspective to turnaround the A380 in SYD. As crew overnighted in AKL, the AKL service added 2 days to the amount of time crews are away from DXB. This is not an insignificant cost which will be removed by the cancellation of the AKL tag. This, along with the reduced cycles on the A380s, may be enough to convince EK to give up a service that was probably marginal and not necessary for EK to maintain a NZ presence now they have their non-stop service.

The next question is whether the MEL and BNE tags will also be removed.


My thought wasn't that MEL/BNE tags will be removed, it's that EK now has a spare frequency trans Tasman and how are they going to use it? PER-AKL anyone? or BNE-WLG?
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