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OAG Changes 4/30/2017: DL Closes BGI, QR Delays LAS, 3M Drops RSW-NAS

Sun Apr 30, 2017 12:46 pm

FAQ

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares departures for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).

THE SCHEDULES SHOWN HERE CHANGE AFTER YOU POST???
-To improve is to change; to be perfect is to change often---Winston Churchill. This is data the carriers filed at the point in time it was captured. It's changed since then. You are just going to have to live with it.

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 ; means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months were changed. I only list one direction, although it is possible the listed change is only one way. It is too difficult to average the two directions. I assume the change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

WHERE ARE SEATS SHOWN?
They aren't. This only shows departures.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Flights that do not operate every day of the month create fractional service. In most cases flights are rounded, but in the case of international service or markets with low frequency, fractions are shown. For example, if a flight operates 4 times in April it will show 4/30=0.133=0.1. Also , a flight that only operates once per week may vary between 0.1 and 0.2 because a weekday may repeat either 4 or 5 times depending on the month.

WHAT ABOUT CARRIERS THAT DON'T PUBLISH A SCHEDULE 9 MONTHS IN ADVANCE?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This report covers the next 9 months. That avoids seeing schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their schedules less than 9 months into the future. I remove the schedule adds if I see them and show a year over year (YOY) comparison if I notice them.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE SKYWEST
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THIS LOOKS LIKE AN ERROR?
The carriers file the schedules. They do make mistakes. Most of the mistakes I have seen are either related to code shares not being marked as "duplicates" or carriers filing flights with invalid data such as equipment codes that are not standard. This causes flights to not appear.

CHARTERS?
Lately charters have been showing up in the database. I have no idea if that will continue.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".

2O ADQ-KLN JUN 1.9>3 JUL 1.8>3 AUG 1.9>3 SEP 1.9>3 OCT 1.8>3 NOV 1.9>3 DEC 1.8>3 JAN 1.9>3

*3M RSW-NAS JUN 0.3>0 JUL 0.3>0 AUG 0.3>0 SEP 0.3>0 OCT 0.3>0 NOV 0.3>0 DEC 0.3>0 JAN 0.3>0

4B ABQ-CNM JUN 0>0.9 JUL 0>0.8
4B ABQ-SVC JUN 0>3 JUL 0>3
4B ATL-MSL JUL 0>3
4B BNA-GLH JUL 0>1.7
4B BNA-MSL JUL 0>0.8
4B CNM-DFW JUN 0>0.9 JUL 0>0.8
4B DFW-GLH JUL 0>0.8
4B PHX-SOW JUN 0>3 JUL 0>3
4B PHX-SVC JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0

9X BFD-PIT JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5 AUG 4>5 SEP 4>5 OCT 4>5 NOV 4>5 DEC 4>5
9X BNA-MEM JUN 1.6>3 JUL 1.5>3 AUG 1.6>3 SEP 1.5>3 OCT 1.6>3 NOV 1.6>3 DEC 1.5>3
9X BWI-HGR JUN 1.9>3 JUL 1.8>3 AUG 1.9>3 SEP 1.8>3 OCT 1.9>3 NOV 1.9>3 DEC 1.8>3
9X BWI-LNS JUN 1.7>4 JUL 1.7>4 AUG 1.7>4 SEP 1.7>4 OCT 1.7>4 NOV 1.7>4 DEC 1.7>4 JAN 0>1.2
9X FKL-PIT JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4 SEP 3>4 OCT 3>4 NOV 3>4 DEC 3>4
9X IAD-JST JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4 SEP 3>4 OCT 3>4 NOV 3>4 DEC 3>4
9X JHW-PIT JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5 AUG 4>5 SEP 4>5 OCT 4>5 NOV 4>5 DEC 4>5 JAN 0>0.7
9X JST-PIT JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4 SEP 3>4 OCT 3>4 NOV 3>4 DEC 3>4
9X LNS-PIT JUN 3>5 JUL 3>5 AUG 3>5 SEP 3>5 OCT 3>5 NOV 3>5 DEC 3>5 JAN 0>1.1
9X MGW-PIT JUN 3>5 JUL 3>5 AUG 3>5 SEP 3>5 OCT 3>5 NOV 3>5 DEC 3>5 JAN 0>1.1

AA CLT-LIT SEP 3>4 OCT 3>4
AA CLT-OKC SEP 2>3 OCT 2>3
AA CLT-PDX SEP 1.0>1.8 OCT 1.0>1.9
AA CLT-SMF SEP 1.0>1.8 OCT 1.0>1.9
AA CLT-TUL SEP 2>3 OCT 2>3
AA CLT-XNA SEP 3>4 OCT 3>4
AA DCA-BGR SEP 3>4
*AA DFW-BZN OCT 0.1>1.0 NOV 0>1.0
AA LAX-LIH DEC 1.7>3 JAN 1.4>3
AA PHX-HNL DEC 3>1.5

AD FLL-VCP JUL 1.3>1.4 AUG 1.3>1.4

AF BOS-CDG JAN 1.0>0.9

This is an Apple charter
AS ORD-PVR SEP 0>0.2 OCT 0>0.1
AS PDX-BOS SEP 1.0>2 OCT 1.0>2
AS PDX-DFW SEP 2>1.0 OCT 2>1.0
AS PDX-LAX SEP 8>7 OCT 8>7
AS PDX-STS SEP 1.0>2 OCT 1.0>1.9
SLC focus city slowly fades away
*AS SAN-SLC SEP 2>1.0 OCT 2>1.0
AS SEA-ABQ NOV 1.0>2 DEC 1.0>2 JAN 1.0>2
AS SEA-ANC SEP 15>17
AS SEA-GEG SEP 15>14 OCT 15>14
AS SEA-LAX OCT 13>12
AS SEA-PDX SEP 26>25 OCT 26>25
AS SEA-SAN SEP 7>8 OCT 7>8
AS SEA-SFO SEP 8>11 OCT 8>11
AS SJC-GDL SEP 1.0>0.7 OCT 1.0>0.7

AT JFK-CMN NOV 1.8>1.7 DEC 1.9>1.7 JAN 1.9>1.7

B6 BOS-AUA NOV 1.3>1.5 DEC 1.3>1.6
B6 BOS-MSY NOV 1.0>1.9
B6 JFK-STI SEP 5>6

BW FLL-POS SEP 1.0>0.8 OCT 1.0>0.7 NOV 1.0>0.8

DL ATL-AGS OCT 8>7
DL ATL-AVL JAN 7>6
Station appears to be closed with no resumption, even for March.
**DL ATL-BGI DEC 0.1>0 JAN 0.2>0
DL ATL-CAE SEP 9>8 OCT 9>8
DL ATL-CAK JAN 4>3
DL ATL-CHO OCT 4>5 NOV 4>5 JAN 5>4
DL ATL-DAB JAN 5>4
DL ATL-HSV OCT 9>8
DL ATL-ORD OCT 12>11
DL ATL-TLH OCT 7>6
DL ATL-YVR SEP 0.2>0.1
Bookings must have been really weak out of the gate
*DL BOS-JAX SEP 0.7>0.5 OCT 1.0>0.7 DEC 0.6>0.5 JAN 0.9>0.7
DL DTW-LIT DEC 0.8>0.5
DL FLL-MSP SEP 1.0>0.7
DL HNL-NGO DEC 0.9>0.7
DL IAH-MSP OCT 6>5 DEC 6>5
Is KL dropping a flight?
*DL JFK-AMS JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3 SEP 2>3 OCT 2.0>3 NOV 1.5>3 DEC 1.6>3 JAN 1.6>3
DL MIA-LGA OCT 6>5
DL MSP-RST JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4 SEP 3>4 OCT 3>4 NOV 3>4 JAN 3>4
DL MSP-YYZ SEP 4>3 OCT 4>3 NOV 4>3
DL SEA-SAN OCT 4>5 NOV 4>5
DL SLC-MSO SEP 4>3

If they implement the electronics restrictions for UK, I expect DY will be least impacted
DY BOS-LGW NOV 0.6>0.7 DEC 0.6>0.7 JAN 0.6>0.7
DY FLL-LGW NOV 0.4>0.6 DEC 0.5>0.6 JAN 0.4>0.6
DY LAX-LGW NOV 0.7>1.0 DEC 0.7>1.0 JAN 0.7>1.0
DY MCO-LGW NOV 0.1>0.3 DEC 0.2>0.3 JAN 0.1>0.3
DY OAK-LGW NOV 0.4>0.6 DEC 0.4>0.6 JAN 0.4>0.5

EI SFO-DUB NOV 0.7>0.9 DEC 0.6>0.8

G4 ABE-MYR OCT 0.3>0.0
G4 ABE-SFB OCT 0.8>0.2 NOV 0.9>0.1 DEC 0.9>0.1 JAN 0.8>0.2
G4 AUS-LAS OCT 0.6>0.2 NOV 0.6>0.1 DEC 0.6>0.1 JAN 0.5>0.2
G4 AVL-FLL OCT 0.7>0.0 NOV 0.7>0 DEC 0.7>0 JAN 0.7>0
G4 BLI-LAS OCT 3>0.6 NOV 3>0.4 DEC 3>0.4 JAN 3>0.5
G4 BLI-OAK OCT 0.5>0.3 NOV 0.6>0.3 DEC 0.6>0.3 JAN 0.6>0.3
G4 BLV-VPS OCT 0.6>0.0
G4 CVG-EWR OCT 0.7>0 NOV 0.7>0 DEC 0.7>0 JAN 0.7>0
G4 CVG-LAS OCT 0.6>0.0
G4 CVG-PGD OCT 0.8>0.2 NOV 0.9>0.1 DEC 0.9>0.1 JAN 0.8>0.2
G4 CVG-PIE OCT 0.8>0.2 NOV 0.9>0.1 DEC 0.9>0.1 JAN 0.8>0.2
G4 CVG-SFB OCT 1.0>0.2 NOV 1.0>0.1 DEC 1.0>0.1 JAN 1.0>0.2
G4 CVG-VPS OCT 0.4>0.0
G4 DSM-LAS OCT 0.6>0.0
G4 FAT-LAS OCT 1.1>0.2 NOV 1.1>0.1 DEC 1.2>0.1 JAN 1.1>0.2
G4 FLL-USA OCT 0.6>0.3 NOV 0.6>0.3 DEC 0.6>0.3 JAN 0.5>0.3
G4 HTS-MYR OCT 0.5>0.3 NOV 0.4>0.3 DEC 0.4>0.3 JAN 0.4>0.3
G4 IND-LAS OCT 0.3>0.0
G4 LAS-MFE OCT 0.6>0.0
G4 LAS-OAK OCT 0.7>0.1 NOV 0.7>0 DEC 0.7>0 JAN 0.7>0
G4 LAS-PSC OCT 0.3>0.0
G4 LAS-SCK OCT 1.4>0.4 NOV 1.4>0.3 DEC 1.5>0.3 JAN 1.4>0.3
G4 LCK-MYR OCT 0.3>0.0
G4 LEX-SFB OCT 0.8>0.0 NOV 0.9>0 DEC 0.9>0 JAN 0.8>0
G4 MYR-SWF OCT 0.5>0.3 NOV 0.4>0.3 DEC 0.4>0.3 JAN 0.4>0.3
G4 SFB-SJU OCT 0.3>0 NOV 0.3>0 DEC 0.3>0 JAN 0.3>0
G4 SFB-TYS OCT 1.0>0.2 NOV 1.0>0.1 DEC 1.0>0.1 JAN 1.0>0.2

HY JFK-RIX AUG 0.3>0.1 SEP 0.3>0.1 OCT 0.3>0.1
HY JFK-TAS AUG 0>0.2 SEP 0>0.1 OCT 0>0.1

J1 BDL-PIT JUN 0.1>1.5 JUL 0>1.4 AUG 0>1.5 SEP 0>1.4
J1 CVG-PIT JUN 0.1>1.5 JUL 0>1.4 AUG 0>1.5 SEP 0>1.4
J1 IND-PIT JUN 0.1>1.5 JUL 0>1.4 AUG 0>1.5 SEP 0>1.4
J1 MKE-PIT JUL 0>0.7 AUG 0>0.7 SEP 0>0.7
J1 PIT-RIC JUN 0.1>1.5 JUL 0>1.4 AUG 0>1.5 SEP 0>1.4
J1 PIT-SDF JUN 0.1>1.5 JUL 0>1.4 AUG 0>1.5 SEP 0>1.4

JU JFK-BEG OCT 0.5>0.3

NK LAX-OAK JUL 4>3 AUG 4>3

PD BOS-YTZ JAN 1.0>5
PD EWR-YTZ JAN 3>11
PD IAD-YTZ JAN 0.8>3
PD MDW-YTZ JAN 0.8>5
PD PIT-YTZ JAN 0.2>1.0

Start was delayed to an unknown date in 2Q2018
*QR LAS-DOH JAN 0.5>0

TS MCO-YQB DEC 0.1>0.0
TS MCO-YUL NOV 0.3>0.2

UA DEN-CUN SEP 0.4>0.3 OCT 1.2>1.0
UA EWR-CUN OCT 1.7>1.6
*UA EWR-MYR SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0
UA IAD-CUN SEP 0.4>0.3
UA IAH-PVR SEP 1.4>1.1
UA ORD-JAC JAN 0>1.0
UA SFO-ORD DEC 14>13

VC BKW-CLT JUN 1.2>0.6 JUL 1.1>0.6 AUG 1.2>0.6 SEP 1.1>0.6
*VC BWI-CKB JUN 1.7>0 JUL 1.7>0 AUG 1.7>0 SEP 1.7>0
VC CLT-LWB OCT 0>1.4 NOV 0>1.4 DEC 0>1.4 JAN 0>1.5
VC CLT-SHD OCT 0>1.1 NOV 0>1.2 DEC 0>1.1 JAN 0>1.2

VS MCO-LGW DEC 1.7>1.5 JAN 1.7>1.6

VW MFE-MEX JUN 0.9>0.7 JUL 0.9>0.7 AUG 0.8>0.7 SEP 0.9>0.7 OCT 0.8>0.7 NOV 0.9>0.7 DEC 0.9>0.7 JAN 0.8>0.7
VW TUS-HMO JUN 0.6>0.7 JUL 0.6>0.7 AUG 0.5>0.7 SEP 0.6>0.7 OCT 0.6>0.7 NOV 0.6>0.7 DEC 0.6>0.7 JAN 0.5>0.7

VX PSP-SFO NOV 2>3 JAN 2>3

WN LAS-LGB AUG 0.8>0.5
WN LAS-PHL JUL 1.1>1.9
WN LAS-RDU JUL 1.1>1.8

WP HNL-KOA JUN 11>10 JUL 11>12 AUG 11>12 SEP 11>12 OCT 11>12 NOV 11>12 DEC 11>12 JAN 11>12
WP HNL-LIH JUN 13>10 JUL 13>10 AUG 13>10 SEP 13>10 OCT 13>10 NOV 13>10 DEC 13>10 JAN 13>10
WP HNL-OGG JUN 16>12 JUL 16>14 AUG 16>14 SEP 16>14 OCT 16>14 NOV 16>14 DEC 16>14 JAN 16>14

*WW ORD-KEF NOV 0>0.6 DEC 0>0.5 JAN 0>0.6
WW PIT-KEF NOV 0>0.6 DEC 0>0.5 JAN 0>0.6
 
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Re: OAG Changes 4/30/2017: DL Closes BGI, QR Delays LAS, 3M Drops RSW-NAS

Sun Apr 30, 2017 12:58 pm

enilria wrote:
*AA DFW-BZN OCT 0.1>1.0 NOV 0>1.0


Very happy to see BZN continue to expand - including not just the seasonal extension above, but also going to double-daily (with one mainline) to DFW, plus ORD, this summer. It looks like BZN is now going to be scheduled similarly to JAC, with coverage in the summer/winter peaks and just not during shoulders - makes sense, as they're obviously similar types of markets. And of course that's all on top of BIL which, when it starts in June, is planned (at least as of now) to be year-round. Great to see DFW-Montana continue to grow.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 4/30/2017: DL Closes BGI, QR Delays LAS, 3M Drops RSW-NAS

Sun Apr 30, 2017 1:02 pm

AS PDX-BOS SEP 1.0>2 OCT 1.0>2
Nice increase, I think this is the first time AS will be running 2x daily BOS-PDX

*DL BOS-JAX SEP 0.7>0.5 OCT 1.0>0.7 DEC 0.6>0.5 JAN 0.9>0.7
This route has never worked for them, I don't know why they insist on flying it. They'd be better off putting that E170 on BOS-STL.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 4/30/2017: DL Closes BGI, QR Delays LAS, 3M Drops RSW-NAS

Sun Apr 30, 2017 1:09 pm

While not showing in the above, but related to the September schedule changes, AS is going mainline on SBA-SEA replacing the 175. Flight is 1X per day.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 4/30/2017: DL Closes BGI, QR Delays LAS, 3M Drops RSW-NAS

Sun Apr 30, 2017 1:11 pm

enilria wrote:
G4 CVG-EWR OCT 0.7>0 NOV 0.7>0 DEC 0.7>0 JAN 0.7>0
G4 CVG-LAS OCT 0.6>0.0
G4 CVG-PGD OCT 0.8>0.2 NOV 0.9>0.1 DEC 0.9>0.1 JAN 0.8>0.2
G4 CVG-PIE OCT 0.8>0.2 NOV 0.9>0.1 DEC 0.9>0.1 JAN 0.8>0.2
G4 CVG-SFB OCT 1.0>0.2 NOV 1.0>0.1 DEC 1.0>0.1 JAN 1.0>0.2
G4 CVG-VPS OCT 0.4>0.0


I think these G4 "reductions" are mistakes, just checking G4's website, none of these routes have been reduced. In addition, their schedule only goes to November. I have a feeling the DEC/JAN frequencies are just a dummy schedule and not what they actually plan to do. I only checked for CVG, but I think these are the same for all of the other cities.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 4/30/2017: DL Closes BGI, QR Delays LAS, 3M Drops RSW-NAS

Sun Apr 30, 2017 1:18 pm

aaflyer777 wrote:
AS PDX-BOS SEP 1.0>2 OCT 1.0>2
Nice increase, I think this is the first time AS will be running 2x daily BOS-PDX

*DL BOS-JAX SEP 0.7>0.5 OCT 1.0>0.7 DEC 0.6>0.5 JAN 0.9>0.7
This route has never worked for them, I don't know why they insist on flying it. They'd be better off putting that E170 on BOS-STL.

I assume the BOS change is retaliation? I haven't been following the B6-AS overlap changes.

There is something peculiar about cutting that back so fast. It could be an operational issue, maybe? Why did they even start it going into the slow season? They knew that season would be weak. Odd...
cvgComair wrote:
I think these G4 "reductions" are mistakes, just checking G4's website, none of these routes have been reduced. In addition, their schedule only goes to November. I have a feeling the DEC/JAN frequencies are just a dummy schedule and not what they actually plan to do. I only checked for CVG, but I think these are the same for all of the other cities.

I pay zero attention to those. People say they are meaningless. I could just block them out of the report, but then people would ask why G4 isn't in here. I've heard the only reason they are in the schedule database is to give Wall Street capacity guidance which would imply the total capacity is accurate?
 
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Re: OAG Changes 4/30/2017: DL Closes BGI, QR Delays LAS, 3M Drops RSW-NAS

Sun Apr 30, 2017 1:22 pm

cvgComair wrote:
enilria wrote:
G4 CVG-EWR OCT 0.7>0 NOV 0.7>0 DEC 0.7>0 JAN 0.7>0
G4 CVG-LAS OCT 0.6>0.0
G4 CVG-PGD OCT 0.8>0.2 NOV 0.9>0.1 DEC 0.9>0.1 JAN 0.8>0.2
G4 CVG-PIE OCT 0.8>0.2 NOV 0.9>0.1 DEC 0.9>0.1 JAN 0.8>0.2
G4 CVG-SFB OCT 1.0>0.2 NOV 1.0>0.1 DEC 1.0>0.1 JAN 1.0>0.2
G4 CVG-VPS OCT 0.4>0.0


I think these G4 "reductions" are mistakes, just checking G4's website, none of these routes have been reduced. In addition, their schedule only goes to November. I have a feeling the DEC/JAN frequencies are just a dummy schedule and not what they actually plan to do. I only checked for CVG, but I think these are the same for all of the other cities.


Seems unlikely they would basically drop FAT...
 
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Re: OAG Changes 4/30/2017: DL Closes BGI, QR Delays LAS, 3M Drops RSW-NAS

Sun Apr 30, 2017 1:25 pm

enilria wrote:
DL ATL-CHO OCT 4>5 NOV 4>5 JAN 5>4


Looks like bookings are staying strong for that little airport. Good for them, now they just need to add DTW back and add a JFK leg.
Save a horse, ride a Fly-boy....
 
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Re: OAG Changes 4/30/2017: DL Closes BGI, QR Delays LAS, 3M Drops RSW-NAS

Sun Apr 30, 2017 1:32 pm

aaflyer777 wrote:
AS PDX-BOS SEP 1.0>2 OCT 1.0>2
Nice increase, I think this is the first time AS will be running 2x daily BOS-PDX.


That's a nice increase. B6 will need to step up its game - PDXBOS is only flown seasonally during the summer.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 4/30/2017: DL Closes BGI, QR Delays LAS, 3M Drops RSW-NAS

Sun Apr 30, 2017 1:35 pm

Nice smaller add and from CLT-SMF/PDX. Last time I flew the CLT-SMF leg it was pretty decently full, even for a red eye (waaay back in the US days. Apparently it's a 321 now)

SFO-DUB seems to be doing nicely. Would've thought of all EI's routes that that one would be the one to crash.

HV is just separating all but one of the TAS-RIX-JFK now? I guess Due to 787 capabilities? (Now AirBaltic needs a Bomabrdier wifebody...)
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Re: OAG Changes 4/30/2017: DL Closes BGI, QR Delays LAS, 3M Drops RSW-NAS

Sun Apr 30, 2017 1:46 pm

enilria wrote:
*3M RSW-NAS JUN 0.3>0 JUL 0.3>0 AUG 0.3>0 SEP 0.3>0 OCT 0.3>0 NOV 0.3>0 DEC 0.3>0 JAN 0.3>0

Silver can't catch a break.
enilria wrote:
9X BFD-PIT JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5 AUG 4>5 SEP 4>5 OCT 4>5 NOV 4>5 DEC 4>5
9X BNA-MEM JUN 1.6>3 JUL 1.5>3 AUG 1.6>3 SEP 1.5>3 OCT 1.6>3 NOV 1.6>3 DEC 1.5>3
9X BWI-HGR JUN 1.9>3 JUL 1.8>3 AUG 1.9>3 SEP 1.8>3 OCT 1.9>3 NOV 1.9>3 DEC 1.8>3
9X BWI-LNS JUN 1.7>4 JUL 1.7>4 AUG 1.7>4 SEP 1.7>4 OCT 1.7>4 NOV 1.7>4 DEC 1.7>4 JAN 0>1.2
9X FKL-PIT JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4 SEP 3>4 OCT 3>4 NOV 3>4 DEC 3>4
9X IAD-JST JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4 SEP 3>4 OCT 3>4 NOV 3>4 DEC 3>4
9X JHW-PIT JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5 AUG 4>5 SEP 4>5 OCT 4>5 NOV 4>5 DEC 4>5 JAN 0>0.7
9X JST-PIT JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4 SEP 3>4 OCT 3>4 NOV 3>4 DEC 3>4
9X LNS-PIT JUN 3>5 JUL 3>5 AUG 3>5 SEP 3>5 OCT 3>5 NOV 3>5 DEC 3>5 JAN 0>1.1
9X MGW-PIT JUN 3>5 JUL 3>5 AUG 3>5 SEP 3>5 OCT 3>5 NOV 3>5 DEC 3>5 JAN 0>1.1

enilria wrote:
J1 BDL-PIT JUN 0.1>1.5 JUL 0>1.4 AUG 0>1.5 SEP 0>1.4
J1 CVG-PIT JUN 0.1>1.5 JUL 0>1.4 AUG 0>1.5 SEP 0>1.4
J1 IND-PIT JUN 0.1>1.5 JUL 0>1.4 AUG 0>1.5 SEP 0>1.4
J1 MKE-PIT JUL 0>0.7 AUG 0>0.7 SEP 0>0.7
J1 PIT-RIC JUN 0.1>1.5 JUL 0>1.4 AUG 0>1.5 SEP 0>1.4
J1 PIT-SDF JUN 0.1>1.5 JUL 0>1.4 AUG 0>1.5 SEP 0>1.4

Does anybody else find it odd that PIT has all this oddball stuff? I don't consider PIT much different than RDU, and DL/AA operate this sort of stuff from RDU. PIT is sort of shut out from that...except for a very few Eagle holdovers from the demised US PIT hub.

On another note, both AA and DL make an effort to use point-to-point regional routes to build up strength in markets like CVG/RDU/IND/BOS/etc. If I'm not mistaken, UA does basically none of that sort of point-to-point flying. Is that part of why UA is weaker than DL in terms of earnings and maybe passenger/corporate loyalty?
 
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Sun Apr 30, 2017 1:56 pm

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On another note, both AA and DL make an effort to use point-to-point regional routes to build up strength in markets like CVG/RDU/IND/BOS/etc. If I'm not mistaken, UA does basically none of that sort of point-to-point flying. Is that part of why UA is weaker than DL in terms of earnings and maybe passenger/corporate loyalty?


AA does "basically none of that sort of point-to-point flying," either - that's pretty much all Delta. With a few notable exceptions - that, in all likelihood, won't be around much longer - AA, like United, is pretty much entirely focused on its hubs these days. And, given that both AA and United have hub structures centered predominantly on very large, business/premium-heavy O&D markets around the U.S., that strategy is somewhat understandable.

All that said, I think two of the most glaring gaps in AA's entire network are both point-to-point, and both touch BOS - and that's BOS-SFO and BOS-RDU. If there was on place where I think AA could make some point-to-point flying work, it would be BOS - one of the nation's most important business markets, where AA is a strong competitor. I think most of the existing BOS CRJ/DH1 point-to-point flying will end in the not too distant future, but going forward, I think AA can and should do 3x daily CR7s BOS-PIT and BOS-RDU, and 2-3x daily mainline BOS-SFO.
 
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Sun Apr 30, 2017 2:01 pm

commavia wrote:
TerminalD wrote:
On another note, both AA and DL make an effort to use point-to-point regional routes to build up strength in markets like CVG/RDU/IND/BOS/etc. If I'm not mistaken, UA does basically none of that sort of point-to-point flying. Is that part of why UA is weaker than DL in terms of earnings and maybe passenger/corporate loyalty?


AA does "basically none of that sort of point-to-point flying," either - that's pretty much all Delta. With a few notable exceptions - that, in all likelihood, won't be around much longer - AA, like United, is pretty much entirely focused on its hubs these days. And, given that both AA and United have hub structures centered almost entirely on very large, very business/premium-heavy O&D markets around the U.S., that strategy is somewhat understandable.

All that said, I think two of the most glaring gaps in AA's entire network are both point-to-point, and both touch BOS - and that's BOS-SFO and BOS-RDU. If there was on place where I think AA could make some point-to-point flying work, it would be BOS - one of the nation's most important business markets, where AA is a strong competitor. I think most of the existing BOS CRJ/DH1 point-to-point flying will end in the not too distant future, but going forward, I think AA can and should do 3x daily CR7s BOS-PIT and BOS-RDU, and 2-3x daily mainline BOS-SFO.

I would argue that AA's LGA operation is point-to-point, unlike DL's real attempt at a hub. Doesn't AA still have a few BOS routes left? AA has some point to point at RDU I think and a few rotting fruits at PIT. I'd still say that is more than UA, although a lot less than DL.
 
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Sun Apr 30, 2017 2:03 pm

SFO-DUB seems to be doing nicely. Would've thought of all EI's routes that that one would be the one to crash.

Quite the contrary. Massive feed from Silicon Valley. It's been back for three years now and the CEO said It was their most successful route launch in EI history.
 
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Sun Apr 30, 2017 2:11 pm

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I would argue that AA's LGA operation is point-to-point, unlike DL's real attempt at a hub.


I don't consider LGA point-to-point. I agree that LGA is certainly not a true connecting-oriented "hub" operation akin to what Delta operates there - that's true. But I view LGA more in the context of AA's "cornerstone" approach instead of as a true "hub." While AA may not connect a lot of people over LGA, LGA - both in isolation and especially when taken together with JFK - certainly serves a massive O&D base of NYC customers.

TerminalD wrote:
Doesn't AA still have a few BOS routes left?


Yes. AA (Eagle) still flies from BOS to MDT, PIT, ROC, SYR and - through August - BUF, plus seasonal CDG and a few seasonal Caribbean weekend routes. As said, I personally expect pretty much all of that BOS Eagle flying to end in the not too distant future as CRJs and DH1s leave AA's network. The seasonal CDG and Caribbean flights may well stick around - they're low-cost utilization flying and serve BOS-area FFs.

I still contend, though, that AA can and should make BOS-RDU and BOS-SFO work - those two markets are just too big to ignore, and when viewed in conjunction with AA's dense coverage of its hubs (which happen to be among some of BOS's largest domestic O&D markets), and AA's JV-operated longhaul flights, that would be an even more compelling proposition.

TerminalD wrote:
AA has some point to point at RDU I think and a few rotting fruits at PIT.


Aside from seasonal Saturday CUN flights and PIT-BOS, the sole remaining non-hub route on AA for AA at both PIT and RDU is the route between those two cities - and I suspect that will be gone the second Delta enters the market (probably a matter of "when," not "if").

TerminalD wrote:
I'd still say that is more than UA, although a lot less than DL.


Okay, AA may do more point-to-point flying than United, but it's still almost none - and nothing compared to what Delta does in markets as varied as RDU, CMH, CLE, BDL, MCO, MIA, LAS, etc.
 
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Sun Apr 30, 2017 2:14 pm

Thanks as always for this!

enilria wrote:
aaflyer777 wrote:
AS PDX-BOS SEP 1.0>2 OCT 1.0>2
Nice increase, I think this is the first time AS will be running 2x daily BOS-PDX


I assume the BOS change is retaliation? I haven't been following the B6-AS overlap changes.


jetbluefan1 wrote:
That's a nice increase. B6 will need to step up its game - PDXBOS is only flown seasonally during the summer.


PDX-BOS increase - if retaliation by AS/VX its not the best target - B6 BOS-PDX stops 10/13 and B6 peaks at 2 daily in summer. B6 doesn't appear to be flying it on Saturdays in the tail end of summer season too.

I think the add is to strengthen AS PDX hub. The only thing to retaliate against would be the recent B6 BOS-LAX bump or MINT service on SAN-BOS and eventually SEA-BOS. This could also be a roundabout way to stick it to DL. B6 shouldn't respond back either. One thing I'm very surprised at is that connections for BOS-Hawaii stink on AS. You think with the increase of flights to PNW over the past 5 years this wouldn't be the case.

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If they implement the electronics restrictions for UK, I expect DY will be least impacted
DY BOS-LGW NOV 0.6>0.7 DEC 0.6>0.7 JAN 0.6>0.7


This is 4 to 5 weekly right using your math? -Its not loaded yet unfortunately - fingers crossed they extend BOS-OSL for winter that way DY has a daily flight in BOS.
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Sun Apr 30, 2017 2:52 pm

AS SLC-SAN reduction is only for September-October. The morning flight comes back in November..
 
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Sun Apr 30, 2017 2:58 pm

commavia wrote:
TerminalD wrote:
I would argue that AA's LGA operation is point-to-point, unlike DL's real attempt at a hub.


I don't consider LGA point-to-point. I agree that LGA is certainly not a true connecting-oriented "hub" operation akin to what Delta operates there - that's true. But I view LGA more in the context of AA's "cornerstone" approach instead of as a true "hub." While AA may not connect a lot of people over LGA, LGA - both in isolation and especially when taken together with JFK - certainly serves a massive O&D base of NYC customers.

I'd argue that both the AA and DL operations are more about building loyalty at the spoke than in NYC, although DL has much more so crossed the threshold where both are in play, plus their Shuttle routes seem generally more successful. The spokes DL serves from JFK are generally much more interesting to New Yorkers, excluding "the Shuttle". I think AA's LGA options are so weak that they clearly the benefit the spoke a lot more. One could argue that EWR is no different for UA, but I'd argue that their hub just happens to be in NYC instead of being built as a means of garnering loyalty at spokes. It's all a matter of how you look at it, however.
commavia wrote:
TerminalD wrote:
I'd still say that is more than UA, although a lot less than DL.


Okay, AA may do more point-to-point flying than United, but it's still almost none - and nothing compared to what Delta does in markets as varied as RDU, CMH, CLE, BDL, MCO, MIA, LAS, etc.

Agreed.
 
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For the last five days DL has been operating a new 3rd daily service JFK-AMS flight DL9930 timed to replace KL642 JFK-AMS.

So YES it seems DL is taking over a KL B772 frequency on JFK-AMS with a DL B764 operating.

- dep JFK 17:35 - AMS 06:55 DL9930 BOEING B-767-400 daily
- dep. AMS 13:25 - JFK 15:25 DL9929 BOEING B-767-400 daily

TOTAL DL flights at AMS = 20x
- A333 12x
- A332 4x
- B763 3x
- B764 1x
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Sun Apr 30, 2017 3:02 pm

adamh8297 wrote:
Thanks as always for this!
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factsonly wrote:
For the last five days DL has been operating a new 3rd daily service JFK-AMS flight DL9930 timed to replace KL642 JFK-AMS.

I wonder why? These types of swaps usually upset the pilots of the airline losing the flight, unless balanced with something else.
adamh8297 wrote:
PDX-BOS increase - if retaliation by AS/VX its not the best target - B6 BOS-PDX stops 10/13 and B6 peaks at 2 daily in summer. B6 doesn't appear to be flying it on Saturdays in the tail end of summer season too.

You may be right. I kind of assume that anything going on in BOS at this point is directed at B6.
adamh8297 wrote:
This is 4 to 5 weekly right using your math? -Its not loaded yet unfortunately - fingers crossed they extend BOS-OSL for winter that way DY has a daily flight in BOS.

Probably 5. If it's not on their site, it's possible it was just a transitory mis-file that already got cleaned up. You never know.
 
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Sun Apr 30, 2017 3:05 pm

TerminalD wrote:
Does anybody else find it odd that PIT has all this oddball stuff?


I would call it unique, not odd. J1 is OneJet, flying business-oriented routes with exec jets. It fills a need and OneJet is successful enough that it keeps expanding. The other line is Southern Express doing the same thing with smaller prop planes.
 
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Sun Apr 30, 2017 3:21 pm

With AS adding three frequencies to SEA-SFO, I imagine we'll see VX drop their 3 flights relatively soon.
 
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Sun Apr 30, 2017 3:23 pm

Interesting regarding BGI.

When I went there a couple of years back, it seemed that there were a ton of Canadians yet very few Americans. Is this usually the case? I've always looked at the Barbados as a more "high end" Caribbean destination when compared to AUA/PUJ/MBJ.

Anyways, this leaves BGI-CLT/MIA on AA as the last legacy carrier service to BGI.
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Sun Apr 30, 2017 3:23 pm

If the G4 reductions are true, why do they even fly? Zero flights Pasco - Las Vegas in October.
Why endure the nightmare and congestion of LAX when BUR, LGB, ONT & SNA is so much easier to fly in and out of. Same with OAK & SJC when it comes to SFO.
 
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Sun Apr 30, 2017 3:25 pm

enilria wrote:

factsonly wrote:
For the last five days DL has been operating a new 3rd daily service JFK-AMS flight DL9930 timed to replace KL642 JFK-AMS.


I wonder why? These types of swaps usually upset the pilots of the airline losing the flight, unless balanced with something else.


It seems KLM is short of a B789 airframe (PH-BHF groundhandling damage) and in addition is short of B777/789 crews, so DL has either agreed to help out or the two airlines have agreed to a capacity swap as KL needs B772 capacity elsewhere.
 
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Sun Apr 30, 2017 3:32 pm

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AS PDX-BOS SEP 1.0>2 OCT 1.0>2
Nice increase, I think this is the first time AS will be running 2x daily BOS-PDX.

I believe in the summer of 2013, AS added a bunch of capacity from both PDX and SEA to BOS. (I just checked and it was never reflected in AS's .pdf timetables but I'm sure I remember it happening, probably for only a few summer months.) There might have been some sort of battle between AS and B6 that year; I do know that AS began BOS-SAN in March of 2013, stepping on Blue's toes in that market...

amcnd wrote:
AS SLC-SAN reduction is only for September-October. The morning flight comes back in November..

Or not... November is prolly just still a ghost schedule at this point. I'm just getting started going over AAG's late summer/fall skeds but I'd bet November hasn't really been started on yet. (You'll note that most of the AS changes reflected here in the OAG-thread are for Sept and Oct...)

I've heard that the SAN-SLC route, overall, hasn't exactly done gangbusters over the 3 years it's operated (since summer '14), but it has remained at ~2x a day throughout, with fairly minor time adjustments. (It's also always been 1 RJ and 1 737; I would think if the route was doing that badly, AS might downgraded the 737 to a QX/OO a/c before discontinuing a flight entirely.)

After all, they are competing with DL in the market, PLUS WN is starting on the route this summer! I'm sure AAG would rather not back down to either of those cx, assuming their own flights are still anything but dismal!

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Sun Apr 30, 2017 3:35 pm

Is this the first time AA will fly CLT-TUL / OKC 3x daily?

Seems these routes are doing well!
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Sun Apr 30, 2017 4:08 pm

I highly suspect those G4 changes are legit. Especially when they show pulling off of LAS-DSM. Plus I thought BLV/CVG-VPS was year round. Other reductions in the CVG station dont make a lot of sense either since it is a focus city for them. I bet it will be corrected later.
 
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Sun Apr 30, 2017 4:12 pm

USAirALB wrote:
Interesting regarding BGI.

When I went there a couple of years back, it seemed that there were a ton of Canadians yet very few Americans. Is this usually the case? I've always looked at the Barbados as a more "high end" Caribbean destination when compared to AUA/PUJ/MBJ.

Anyways, this leaves BGI-CLT/MIA on AA as the last legacy carrier service to BGI.


I think BGI has historically also been far more popular with Brits than Americans as well. In general, it seems like BGI has never really been particularly strong for U.S. network carriers - except AA's historical presence, obviously, plus now JetBlue. Between those two carriers, with the two most important markets (MIA and JFK) still getting multiple daily nonstops, plus various other seasonal and/or lower-frequency/-capacity nonstops to CLT, FLL, BOS and EWR, it seems like BGI is sufficiently covered from the U.S.
 
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Sun Apr 30, 2017 4:24 pm

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While not showing in the above, but related to the September schedule changes, AS is going mainline on SBA-SEA replacing the 175. Flight is 1X per day.


With the 737? If true, SBA will now have mainline equipment from all three airlines that operate at SBA: UA (1x SBA-SFO), AA (1x SBA-DFW) and now AS (1x SBA-SEA). SBA has gone from zero mainline flights to 3x daily in a very short time period. Although, AA's SBA-DFW flight appears to go back to the CR9 in August, unless the schedule has not been updated.
 
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Sun Apr 30, 2017 4:56 pm

AS is really adding a lot of capacity to ABQ. From 1x SEA now, they will be 2x SEA and 1x PDX, SFO, SNA, and SAN in just a matter of months.

It'll be interesting to see how it all works for them. ABQ isn't growing very quickly and nobody else seems to be adding much capacity except for Allegiant's entrance.
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Sun Apr 30, 2017 5:05 pm

"G4 IND-LAS OCT 0.3>0.0"

Is G4 in the process of pulling out of IND? Last update they were ending MYR I believe in addition to cutting back 3 or 4 other routes to 0.1.
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Sun Apr 30, 2017 5:18 pm

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Is this the first time AA will fly CLT-TUL / OKC 3x daily?

Seems these routes are doing well!


Its the region - CLT/SGF is also seeing an additional flight. Just wondering when ICT-CLT gets added.

Both TUL/OKC were never flown by US metal in ages and ages. I think at one point OKC was linked to LIT using Fokker 28s, which made LIT look like a "mini" connector - you had Air Midwest flying 1900s & Brasilias to MCI and MSY as well.
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Sun Apr 30, 2017 5:52 pm

commavia wrote:
USAirALB wrote:
Interesting regarding BGI.

When I went there a couple of years back, it seemed that there were a ton of Canadians yet very few Americans. Is this usually the case? I've always looked at the Barbados as a more "high end" Caribbean destination when compared to AUA/PUJ/MBJ.

Anyways, this leaves BGI-CLT/MIA on AA as the last legacy carrier service to BGI.


I think BGI has historically also been far more popular with Brits than Americans as well. In general, it seems like BGI has never really been particularly strong for U.S. network carriers - except AA's historical presence, obviously, plus now JetBlue. Between those two carriers, with the two most important markets (MIA and JFK) still getting multiple daily nonstops, plus various other seasonal and/or lower-frequency/-capacity nonstops to CLT, FLL, BOS and EWR, it seems like BGI is sufficiently covered from the U.S.


Yep, BGI is more of a VFR market from the US than a Beach market. The seats are mainly occupied by Bajans living in the US not tourists. US Tourism to Barbados tends to be very high end not high volume.

I have been to BGI twice in the last three years but I only went because the airfare was hella cheap (MSP-BGI for $240 rt!). Barbados is very expensive and the beaches aren't that nice but I did enjoy the local culture (minus all the drunk Brits)...

I am surprised that DL decided to drop BGI rather than move it to JFK...
 
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B757capt wrote:
Is this the first time AA will fly CLT-TUL / OKC 3x daily?

Seems these routes are doing well!


The 3x daily starts in July (covered in an earlier OAG thread), but yes first time.
 
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Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:14 pm

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aaflyer777 wrote:
AS PDX-BOS SEP 1.0>2 OCT 1.0>2
Nice increase, I think this is the first time AS will be running 2x daily BOS-PDX.

I believe in the summer of 2013, AS added a bunch of capacity from both PDX and SEA to BOS. (I just checked and it was never reflected in AS's .pdf timetables but I'm sure I remember it happening, probably for only a few summer months.) There might have been some sort of battle between AS and B6 that year; I do know that AS began BOS-SAN in March of 2013, stepping on Blue's toes in that market...

amcnd wrote:
AS SLC-SAN reduction is only for September-October. The morning flight comes back in November..

Or not... November is prolly just still a ghost schedule at this point. I'm just getting started going over AAG's late summer/fall skeds but I'd bet November hasn't really been started on yet. (You'll note that most of the AS changes reflected here in the OAG-thread are for Sept and Oct...)

I've heard that the SAN-SLC route, overall, hasn't exactly done gangbusters over the 3 years it's operated (since summer '14), but it has remained at ~2x a day throughout, with fairly minor time adjustments. (It's also always been 1 RJ and 1 737; I would think if the route was doing that badly, AS might downgraded the 737 to a QX/OO a/c before discontinuing a flight entirely.)

After all, they are competing with DL in the market, PLUS WN is starting on the route this summer! I'm sure AAG would rather not back down to either of those cx, assuming their own flights are still anything but dismal!

bb


I'm wondering if they are still tweaking it. FAT is not showing an early morning flight from SAN nor a mid-morning flight to SEA, meaning they have 2X to SAN but only 1X from, and 3X from SEA but only 2X to. In other words, seem to be missing a SAN-FAT-SEA trip. Seems like they would drop flights in pairs (although UA has one more flight to SFO and from LAX), so maybe the schedules just aren't correct yet? Same for SLC too?
 
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Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:46 pm

SANFan wrote:
aaflyer777 wrote:
AS PDX-BOS SEP 1.0>2 OCT 1.0>2
Nice increase, I think this is the first time AS will be running 2x daily BOS-PDX.

I believe in the summer of 2013, AS added a bunch of capacity from both PDX and SEA to BOS. (I just checked and it was never reflected in AS's .pdf timetables but I'm sure I remember it happening, probably for only a few summer months.)

bb


AS PDX-BOS has never been 2x daily.
Perhaps this is to keep Delta out of PDX-BOS. And also to keep B6 out of the market year round. I still don't understand why B6 hasn't made PDX-BOS year round yet.
 
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Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:58 pm

usxguy wrote:
B757capt wrote:
Is this the first time AA will fly CLT-TUL / OKC 3x daily?

Seems these routes are doing well!


Its the region - CLT/SGF is also seeing an additional flight. Just wondering when ICT-CLT gets added.

Both TUL/OKC were never flown by US metal in ages and ages. I think at one point OKC was linked to LIT using Fokker 28s, which made LIT look like a "mini" connector - you had Air Midwest flying 1900s & Brasilias to MCI and MSY as well.


And XNA and LIT are getting an additional frequency as well. Looks like an overall buildup of the area from CLT.
 
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Sun Apr 30, 2017 8:06 pm

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For the last five days DL has been operating a new 3rd daily service JFK-AMS flight DL9930 timed to replace KL642 JFK-AMS.

So YES it seems DL is taking over a KL B772 frequency on JFK-AMS with a DL B764 operating.

- dep JFK 17:35 - AMS 06:55 DL9930 BOEING B-767-400 daily
- dep. AMS 13:25 - JFK 15:25 DL9929 BOEING B-767-400 daily


If this is indeed true, DL will have 33 Atlantic flights from JFK this summer. AA will have 14 Atlantic flights from JFK this summer, and UA will have 36 Atlantic flights from EWR this summer..
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Re: OAG Changes 4/30/2017: DL Closes BGI, QR Delays LAS, 3M Drops RSW-NAS

Sun Apr 30, 2017 8:17 pm

TerminalD wrote:
enilria wrote:
9X FKL-PIT JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4 SEP 3>4 OCT 3>4 NOV 3>4 DEC 3>4
9X IAD-JST JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4 SEP 3>4 OCT 3>4 NOV 3>4 DEC 3>4
9X JHW-PIT JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5 AUG 4>5 SEP 4>5 OCT 4>5 NOV 4>5 DEC 4>5 JAN 0>0.7
9X JST-PIT JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4 SEP 3>4 OCT 3>4 NOV 3>4 DEC 3>4
9X LNS-PIT JUN 3>5 JUL 3>5 AUG 3>5 SEP 3>5 OCT 3>5 NOV 3>5 DEC 3>5 JAN 0>1.1
9X MGW-PIT JUN 3>5 JUL 3>5 AUG 3>5 SEP 3>5 OCT 3>5 NOV 3>5 DEC 3>5 JAN 0>1.1

enilria wrote:
J1 BDL-PIT JUN 0.1>1.5 JUL 0>1.4 AUG 0>1.5 SEP 0>1.4
J1 CVG-PIT JUN 0.1>1.5 JUL 0>1.4 AUG 0>1.5 SEP 0>1.4
J1 IND-PIT JUN 0.1>1.5 JUL 0>1.4 AUG 0>1.5 SEP 0>1.4
J1 MKE-PIT JUL 0>0.7 AUG 0>0.7 SEP 0>0.7
J1 PIT-RIC JUN 0.1>1.5 JUL 0>1.4 AUG 0>1.5 SEP 0>1.4
J1 PIT-SDF JUN 0.1>1.5 JUL 0>1.4 AUG 0>1.5 SEP 0>1.4

Does anybody else find it odd that PIT has all this oddball stuff? I don't consider PIT much different than RDU, and DL/AA operate this sort of stuff from RDU. PIT is sort of shut out from that...except for a very few Eagle holdovers from the demised US PIT hub.


Two completely separate things going on with these.

The first is a flock of EAS markets which are operated by 8-9 seat Sun Air/Southern Airways Express aircraft. They are linked to PIT because that's where the winning EAS airline has chosen to fly in their bid, and there's long-standing historical access to PIT. Unfortunately these are among the least-used EAS flights in the lower 48. I've been playing with some EAS numbers from 2016 lately and these Sun Air/Southern Airways Express routes are about bottom. Here are the average passengers per flight and load factor in most of the 8-9 seat EAS markets in the lower 48. I excluded a few markets (mostly SeaPort) who saw big service disruption and have not yet recovered.

Before people jump in and say things like "Jamestown isn't that far from Buffalo" or "Pittsburgh isn't a hub anymore" it's worth worth considering that many of the EAS markets doing better are also not exceptionally remote and/or are linked to airports without massive hubs. It's hard to know if these EAS markets linked to PIT do so much worse because of unique factors or if it's things like reliability, pricing, marketing and convenience. But whatever the reason they are the emptiest 8/9-seat EAS markets.

EAS passenger per flight in 2016 in markets served by 8/9 seat aircraft
...pax........LF......
6.75 ….. 84.40% ….. Thief River Falls MN
6.31 ….. 78.87% ….. Cortez CO
5.96 ….. 73.70% ….. Merced CA
5.62 ….. 69.49% ….. Chadron NE
5.56 ….. 61.40% ….. Rockton ME
5.53 ….. 61.50% ….. Ironwood MI
5.45 ….. 66.00% ….. Greenville MS
5.30 ….. 58.60% ….. Bar Harbor ME
5.26 ….. 64.80% ….. Show Low AZ
5.24 ….. 64.90% ….. Clovis NM
5.03 ….. 55.41% ….. Wolf Point MT
5.00 ….. 56.60% ….. Mason City IA
5.00 ….. 55.40% ….. Massena NY
4.97 ….. 54.30% ….. Fort Dodge IA
4.96 ….. 54.92% ….. Jonesboro AR
4.96 ….. 54.67% ….. Sidney MT
4.95 ….. 61.60% ….. Muscle Shoals AL
4.95 ….. 54.80% ….. Burlington IA
4.93 ….. 54.30% ….. Rutland VT
4.92 ….. 60.70% ….. Carlsbad NM
4.92 ….. 54.24% ….. Glasgow MT
4.90 ….. 54.00% ….. Ogdensburg NY
4.88 ….. 61.00% ….. Alamosa CO
4.82 ….. 53.20% ….. Lebanon NH
4.81 ….. 53.02% ….. Fort Leonard Wood MO
4.80 ….. 59.47% ….. Alliane NE
4.79 ….. 52.79% ….. Marion IL
4.61 ….. 50.80% ….. Saranac Lake NY
4.55 ….. 50.30% ….. Kirksville MO
4.54 ….. 50.40% ….. Prescott AZ
4.52 ….. 55.80% ….. Vernal UT
4.50 ….. 55.70% ….. Silver City NM
4.43 ….. 48.90% ….. Augusta ME
4.20 ….. 46.80% ….. Deactur IL
4.20 ….. 46.34% ….. Quincy MO
4.03 ….. 44.40% ….. Cape Girardeau MO
3.95 ….. 48.80% ….. Moab UT
3.90 ….. 43.10% ….. Jaksonn TN
3.83 ….. 42.19% ….. Owensboro KY
3.75 ….. 41.70% ….. Page UT
3.57 ….. 39.41% ….. Havre MT
3.52 ….. 38.83% ….. Glendive MT
3.42 ….. 42.30% ….. Hagerstown MD
3.39 ….. 37.90% ….. Bradford PA
2.96 ….. 37.30% ….. Lancaster PA
2.20 ….. 25.10% ….. Jamestown NY
1.78 ….. 21.00% ….. Altoona PA
1.77 ….. 21.00% ….. Franklin PA


As for the OneJet (J1) and their 7-seat business jet flying, the Pittsburgh business community has ponied up money to support their build of PIT into their primary operating base. When OneJet started in spring of 2015 they were all about Indianapolis as a focus city, and later announced (but didn't end up starting) some Louisville flights. But then a year in they declared their first "pilot" year successful, changed flight vendors (leading to several weeks of no flying) and launched anew at PIT.

One might say they "chased the money" to pull up stakes in Indianapolis and move to Pittsburgh, which might seem questionable. But one could also view it that the Pittsburgh business community has invested money to gain nonstop flights to several markets which would otherwise be connecting only. Comparing PIT to RDU is somewhat off because Raleigh is rather unusual to have the point-to-point flying they do. Most medium, nonhub cities have little if any point-to-point flying. If OneJet succeeds at PIT and can turn a buck without external support there are scores of unserved city pairs with enough potential high-fare traffic to support their service.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 4/30/2017: DL Closes BGI, QR Delays LAS, 3M Drops RSW-NAS

Sun Apr 30, 2017 8:34 pm

flyfresno wrote:
SANFan wrote:
aaflyer777 wrote:
AS PDX-BOS SEP 1.0>2 OCT 1.0>2
Nice increase, I think this is the first time AS will be running 2x daily BOS-PDX.

I believe in the summer of 2013, AS added a bunch of capacity from both PDX and SEA to BOS. (I just checked and it was never reflected in AS's .pdf timetables but I'm sure I remember it happening, probably for only a few summer months.) There might have been some sort of battle between AS and B6 that year; I do know that AS began BOS-SAN in March of 2013, stepping on Blue's toes in that market...

amcnd wrote:
AS SLC-SAN reduction is only for September-October. The morning flight comes back in November..

Or not... November is prolly just still a ghost schedule at this point. I'm just getting started going over AAG's late summer/fall skeds but I'd bet November hasn't really been started on yet. (You'll note that most of the AS changes reflected here in the OAG-thread are for Sept and Oct...)

I've heard that the SAN-SLC route, overall, hasn't exactly done gangbusters over the 3 years it's operated (since summer '14), but it has remained at ~2x a day throughout, with fairly minor time adjustments. (It's also always been 1 RJ and 1 737; I would think if the route was doing that badly, AS might downgraded the 737 to a QX/OO a/c before discontinuing a flight entirely.)

After all, they are competing with DL in the market, PLUS WN is starting on the route this summer! I'm sure AAG would rather not back down to either of those cx, assuming their own flights are still anything but dismal!

bb


I'm wondering if they are still tweaking it. FAT is not showing an early morning flight from SAN nor a mid-morning flight to SEA, meaning they have 2X to SAN but only 1X from, and 3X from SEA but only 2X to. In other words, seem to be missing a SAN-FAT-SEA trip. Seems like they would drop flights in pairs (although UA has one more flight to SFO and from LAX), so maybe the schedules just aren't correct yet? Same for SLC too?


With an OO MX base at FAT, unbalanced could be the "norm" for that period until such time QX picks up more flying. The September schedule has only one QX trip and the balance OO and there's a ton of new 175 routes on the books that may be taking priority over the existing secondary (read: non-WN markets) FAT and SBA. Doesn't QX have a pilot shortage as well? SBA just happens to pick up a 738 for their single SEA RT and FAT gets unbalanced to/fr SEA and SAN gets downgraded during the two months that traffic dives between those markets. The big hole for AS that I see is that there's nothing in the morning from SEA to FAT, which happened last year at this time during the draw down of the 700's. They do, by moving PDX to mid-afternoon, create a 3rd opportunity for FAT-SEA traffic that's right in the middle of the gap between the morning and evening departures to SEA. Could be worse, but AS just moved into the #3 spot from #2 at FAT by trimming capacity.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 4/30/2017: DL Closes BGI, QR Delays LAS, 3M Drops RSW-NAS

Sun Apr 30, 2017 9:00 pm

whatusaid wrote:
flyfresno wrote:
SANFan wrote:
I believe in the summer of 2013, AS added a bunch of capacity from both PDX and SEA to BOS. (I just checked and it was never reflected in AS's .pdf timetables but I'm sure I remember it happening, probably for only a few summer months.) There might have been some sort of battle between AS and B6 that year; I do know that AS began BOS-SAN in March of 2013, stepping on Blue's toes in that market...


Or not... November is prolly just still a ghost schedule at this point. I'm just getting started going over AAG's late summer/fall skeds but I'd bet November hasn't really been started on yet. (You'll note that most of the AS changes reflected here in the OAG-thread are for Sept and Oct...)

I've heard that the SAN-SLC route, overall, hasn't exactly done gangbusters over the 3 years it's operated (since summer '14), but it has remained at ~2x a day throughout, with fairly minor time adjustments. (It's also always been 1 RJ and 1 737; I would think if the route was doing that badly, AS might downgraded the 737 to a QX/OO a/c before discontinuing a flight entirely.)

After all, they are competing with DL in the market, PLUS WN is starting on the route this summer! I'm sure AAG would rather not back down to either of those cx, assuming their own flights are still anything but dismal!

bb


I'm wondering if they are still tweaking it. FAT is not showing an early morning flight from SAN nor a mid-morning flight to SEA, meaning they have 2X to SAN but only 1X from, and 3X from SEA but only 2X to. In other words, seem to be missing a SAN-FAT-SEA trip. Seems like they would drop flights in pairs (although UA has one more flight to SFO and from LAX), so maybe the schedules just aren't correct yet? Same for SLC too?


With an OO MX base at FAT, unbalanced could be the "norm" for that period until such time QX picks up more flying. The September schedule has only one QX trip and the balance OO and there's a ton of new 175 routes on the books that may be taking priority over the existing secondary (read: non-WN markets) FAT and SBA. Doesn't QX have a pilot shortage as well? SBA just happens to pick up a 738 for their single SEA RT and FAT gets unbalanced to/fr SEA and SAN gets downgraded during the two months that traffic dives between those markets. The big hole for AS that I see is that there's nothing in the morning from SEA to FAT, which happened last year at this time during the draw down of the 700's. They do, by moving PDX to mid-afternoon, create a 3rd opportunity for FAT-SEA traffic that's right in the middle of the gap between the morning and evening departures to SEA. Could be worse, but AS just moved into the #3 spot from #2 at FAT by trimming capacity.


It's certainly possible that it could stay that way, but unless there is a lot of connecting traffic through SAN (I thought it was at least 50% O&D), it seems like such a move would seriously affect the loads on the 2X SAN flights. The LAX/SFO thing on UA makes more sense as those markets are almost all connecting, and coming from the many markets that have service to both, people probably don't care if they go XXX-LAX-FAT or XXX-SFO-FAT (unless it's foggy in SFO, of course). We'll see, but you very well could be right, which would be interesting...
 
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Re: OAG Changes 4/30/2017: DL Closes BGI, QR Delays LAS, 3M Drops RSW-NAS

Sun Apr 30, 2017 10:44 pm

Many of the G4 cuts to VPS are seasonal summer routes. As for the others I've never noticed G4 going to zero before, just drops down to 0.3 or 0.1. There may be some truth to the LAS-CVG and MFE routes as the last two 757 retire. The strangest add is MYR-SWF in the winter.
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Re: OAG Changes 4/30/2017: DL Closes BGI, QR Delays LAS, 3M Drops RSW-NAS

Sun Apr 30, 2017 10:48 pm

I wouldn't trust the G4 OAG adds and drops one iota.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 4/30/2017: DL Closes BGI, QR Delays LAS, 3M Drops RSW-NAS

Mon May 01, 2017 2:03 am

usxguy wrote:
B757capt wrote:
Is this the first time AA will fly CLT-TUL / OKC 3x daily?

Seems these routes are doing well!

Both TUL/OKC were never flown by US metal in ages and ages. I think at one point OKC was linked to LIT using Fokker 28s, which made LIT look like a "mini" connector - you had Air Midwest flying 1900s & Brasilias to MCI and MSY as well.


OKC and TUL weren't in the US system until after the HP merger. I think both cities were used as a bridge at some point for Mesa's CR9s between PHX and CLT. LIT also had USX service to JAN and FYV in addition to the mentioned MCI and MSY. Plus the F28s to CLT.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 4/30/2017: DL Closes BGI, QR Delays LAS, 3M Drops RSW-NAS

Mon May 01, 2017 2:12 am

I believe CO flew to BGI at one time. Maybe it was UA. It didn't last with them either.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 4/30/2017: DL Closes BGI, QR Delays LAS, 3M Drops RSW-NAS

Mon May 01, 2017 3:03 am

Alias1024 wrote:
AS is really adding a lot of capacity to ABQ. From 1x SEA now, they will be 2x SEA and 1x PDX, SFO, SNA, and SAN in just a matter of months.

It'll be interesting to see how it all works for them. ABQ isn't growing very quickly and nobody else seems to be adding much capacity except for Allegiant's entrance.

It's really an attempt to take share from WN, who has basically dominated ABQ. Best of luck to AS.
usflyer msp wrote:
I am surprised that DL decided to drop BGI rather than move it to JFK...

I actually immediately went to check if there was DL JFK...and there isn't.
knope2001 wrote:
Two completely separate things going on with these.

EAS tends to operate almost exclusively from hub airports, so that part is weird. OneJet is unlike anything else, so...
 
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Re: OAG Changes 4/30/2017: DL Closes BGI, QR Delays LAS, 3M Drops RSW-NAS

Mon May 01, 2017 3:06 am

commavia wrote:
TerminalD wrote:
On another note, both AA and DL make an effort to use point-to-point regional routes to build up strength in markets like CVG/RDU/IND/BOS/etc. If I'm not mistaken, UA does basically none of that sort of point-to-point flying. Is that part of why UA is weaker than DL in terms of earnings and maybe passenger/corporate loyalty?


AA does "basically none of that sort of point-to-point flying," either - that's pretty much all Delta. With a few notable exceptions - that, in all likelihood, won't be around much longer - AA, like United, is pretty much entirely focused on its hubs these days. And, given that both AA and United have hub structures centered predominantly on very large, business/premium-heavy O&D markets around the U.S., that strategy is somewhat understandable.

All that said, I think two of the most glaring gaps in AA's entire network are both point-to-point, and both touch BOS - and that's BOS-SFO and BOS-RDU. If there was on place where I think AA could make some point-to-point flying work, it would be BOS - one of the nation's most important business markets, where AA is a strong competitor. I think most of the existing BOS CRJ/DH1 point-to-point flying will end in the not too distant future, but going forward, I think AA can and should do 3x daily CR7s BOS-PIT and BOS-RDU, and 2-3x daily mainline BOS-SFO.


In the other tread Commavia this is what I meant that I thought AA wasn't being proactive enough. I wish they took more of the DL approach. I concede AA better hub's so DL has needed to do some of this. Gates and opportunities are filling up and DL leading the 3 in mergers is doing now what I believe AA and UA will be doing next looking for more opportunities.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 4/30/2017: DL Closes BGI, QR Delays LAS, 3M Drops RSW-NAS

Mon May 01, 2017 5:22 am

flyjoe wrote:
usxguy wrote:
B757capt wrote:
Is this the first time AA will fly CLT-TUL / OKC 3x daily?

Seems these routes are doing well!

Both TUL/OKC were never flown by US metal in ages and ages. I think at one point OKC was linked to LIT using Fokker 28s, which made LIT look like a "mini" connector - you had Air Midwest flying 1900s & Brasilias to MCI and MSY as well.


OKC and TUL weren't in the US system until after the HP merger. I think both cities were used as a bridge at some point for Mesa's CR9s between PHX and CLT. LIT also had USX service to JAN and FYV in addition to the mentioned MCI and MSY. Plus the F28s to CLT.


Interestingly enough, OKC, TUL, BNA, CVG, and RDU are the biggest holes in AA's current route network from PHX.

All of them, except for CVG, are historically large LAA stations.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 4/30/2017: DL Closes BGI, QR Delays LAS, 3M Drops RSW-NAS

Mon May 01, 2017 5:27 am

AABB777 wrote:
whatusaid wrote:
While not showing in the above, but related to the September schedule changes, AS is going mainline on SBA-SEA replacing the 175. Flight is 1X per day.


With the 737? If true, SBA will now have mainline equipment from all three airlines that operate at SBA: UA (1x SBA-SFO), AA (1x SBA-DFW) and now AS (1x SBA-SEA). SBA has gone from zero mainline flights to 3x daily in a very short time period. Although, AA's SBA-DFW flight appears to go back to the CR9 in August, unless the schedule has not been updated.


UA will also will be sending mainline to DEN. They are Airbuses in June and switch to 737's in July. Seems to be a little battle brewing between the airlines.

AA should really send 2 E175's to DFW instead of just the 1 A319 or 1 CR9. The flight right now is poorly timed for connections and the CR9 is not the right aircraft at all for that stage length. The loads have been good though, so I don't think the 1 CR9 is what they will end up with.

Hopefully UA can upgauge some afternoon SFO flights because those get impacted the most by ATC and get the worst slots to get into SFO as a UAX flight.

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