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Re: Turkish Aviation May 2017

Mon May 08, 2017 4:12 pm

News that Pegasus has sold Air Lease Corp 11 737s as it speeds up transition to 320NEO fleet. 5 of the 737s will be turned over to ALC by summer.

mafaky wrote:
When the subject is ESB originating flights say to Europe & Middle East TK and other airlines have to think twice about the passenger portfolio. ESB pax are not only common people. There are diplomats, politicians, bureucrats, some holding owners and executives (a frequent contributor in this topic TK105 should be one of these latter...) who will be more willing/affording to fly on business class even for 3-4 hr. duration flights.


Your theory is not borne out by the numbers. Fact is fares(the yield generated) on IST segments are higher than ESB flights to similar destination pairs. I have posted this several times over the years, Simply put, the money with the Istanbul traveler, not Ankara.
Also folks like diplomats, politicians and bureaucrats hardly ever pay premium fares. They operate under either under corporate like discount agreements their governments negotiate, or in case of Turkish civil servants(and military) only pay a small fraction of the regular price TK charges. Also airline like TK must wait months, if not even a year to be reimbursed for the travel from Turkish treasury. ESB also tends to get disproportionate amount of Anatolian isci traffic further driving down yields.
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Re: Turkish Aviation May 2017

Mon May 08, 2017 5:25 pm

Your theory is not borne out by the numbers.

I've always wondered about these analysis. I do not see any report on seat revenue per airport by TK.

By the way, if I remember right, your own analysis on TK TR-US flights proved ESB as more profitable than IST.


Fact is fares(the yield generated) on IST segments are higher than ESB flights to similar destination pairs.

There is no way to justify this as there is almost no city pairs exists (other than few like MUC, DOH, etc). For all other cities, price for XXX-IST-ESB is always expensive than XXX-IST.

As Mafaky rightly mentioned, it is difficult to find a J seat on QR ESB-DOH flights. And for ESB-MUC flights, generally LH ESB-MUC price is more expensive that TK ESB-IST-MUC or LH ESB-MUC-XXX prices. So LH makes the best out of ESB-MUC.

Also J seats of TK IST-ESB flights are mostly international connecting passengers (if they are not politicians).


I have posted this several times over the years, Simply put, the money with the Istanbul traveler, not Ankara.

Are you an advisor? I'm wondering. Deep TK ?


Also folks like diplomats, politicians and bureaucrats hardly ever pay premium fares. They operate under either under corporate like discount agreements their governments negotiate,

Are you kidding me?

Even if this is the case, they will make the same detour via IST any way, what is the difference?


or in case of Turkish civil servants (and military) only pay a small fraction of the regular price TK charges. Also airline like TK must wait months, if not even a year to be reimbursed for the travel from Turkish treasury.

Again, the situation remains the same for XXX-IST-ESB detour. As rich Istanbulains can spend a lot of money in cash for IST-ESB flights, let's free these flights from government civil servants that are paying a year after a small fraction, and fly them directly to their destinations to reduce financial costs.

By the way, most of the civil servants travel on account of a private company. So they are also paid in cash.

And military use their own ferry flights. They mostly have their own scheduled services to each international post (Afghanistan, Africa, etc).


ESB also tends to get disproportionate amount of Anatolian isci traffic further driving down yields.

Again, the situation is the same for XXX-IST-ESB traffic. Moreover situation has changed over the years. Perhaps in 1990s, isci traffic was an important percentage but now their share is much smaller. By the way, that isci traffic made it possible what TK is today, so TK better be respectful to them.
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Re: Turkish Aviation May 2017

Mon May 08, 2017 6:41 pm

Yet again I will try to explain this....

TK105 wrote:
There is no way to justify this as there is almost no city pairs exists (other than few like MUC, DOH, etc). For all other cities, price for XXX-IST-ESB is always expensive than XXX-IST.


Here are the actual average fare and yield TK derived from 3 top European cities from ESB and IST for 12-month period ending June 2016...

CITY / ESB FARE€ / ESB YIELD / IST FARE €/ IST YIELD
CDG - 164 / 10.1 / 175 / 12.6
FRA - 149 / 10.9 / 163 / 14.1
LHR - 204 / 11.4 / 211 / 13.5

As you can see, TK not only earned more in the average fare for IST O&D clients, there is a stark (~20%) difference in in the yield IST generated versus ESB.

Incase you are wondering the source, its IATA BSP/MIDT data and O&D statistics. For the record, I used 12-months till June 2016 as there is a reporting lag anyhow, plus I wanted a normalized period before the tragic events last July.

Your perceived notion that ESB-IST-XXX is always more expensive then IST-XXX is not borne out when the actual historic data is reviewed. Simply put TK earns more money on IST O&D itineraries. Obviously there are many things that drive this, such as client mix, sold fare mix, distance, etc.

TK105 wrote:
Are you an advisor? I'm wondering. Deep TK ?


I have had dealing with TK on/off since Cem Kozlu days in late 1980s, along with relationships with other Turkish carriers as well.

TK105 wrote:
Are you kidding me?
Even if this is the case, they will make the same detour via IST any way, what is the difference?


Not kidding at all. Government business is hardly magically some high revenue business. Its actually lower yielding than many corporate accounts as in many cases airlines have to bid to earn the government business, and the lowest bidder on route tends to win the contract.


TK105 wrote:
And military use their own ferry flights. They mostly have their own scheduled services to each international post (Afghanistan, Africa, etc).

Actually one of TKs biggest users is Turkish military particularly domestically. Lots of people travel around on both business and personal activity on large discounts. Not everyone waits around for the C-130 flights between bases.


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Again, the situation is the same for XXX-IST-ESB traffic. Moreover situation has changed over the years. Perhaps in 1990s, isci traffic was an important percentage but now their share is much smaller. By the way, that isci traffic made it possible what TK is today, so TK better be respectful to them.

Again the facts are that Ankara serves as the springboard to access much of Anatolia for folks. Whether this is via other flights or bus service, result is you have large portion of lower yielding clients. I am not sure why you believe TK disrespects them.
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Mon May 08, 2017 6:53 pm

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It was 450€ again in the best times. This is what a Russian tourist spends a day or less than half of KSA tourist's spending daily.

It is no secret that average Euro Tourist spending is comparable to average Syrian Refugee spending.

I think Turkish Tourism should focus new markets more and target highly populated upper medium class of India, Pakistan, Iran, Central Asia, Russia, Ukraine and Arabic Peninsula.


I have no idea what Russian tourists you are talking about but it is definitely not your average Russian tourist on a package holiday to Turkey, Bulgaria, Spain, or even the Caribbean.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation May 2017

Mon May 08, 2017 6:53 pm

I saw a Pakistani Air Force IL-78 Landing to Ataturk Airport this morning, I guess it is for IDEF, does anyone know any other special aircraft that will arrive to Istanbul in the next few days, it might be a good spotting opportunity.

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Mon May 08, 2017 7:24 pm

Is Ankara not the biggest base for AnadoluJet?
Seems like TK has not ignored Ankara at all, but made it the center of their LCC model.
Obviously, they see the lower cost model is suitable for the city than using mainline equipment.
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Mon May 08, 2017 8:13 pm

LAXintl wrote:
TK and COPA commencing codesharing. TK will initially place its code on CM flights from PTY to:


Pending governmental approvals will be expanded to cover flights to:
Cancun, Guadalajara and Mexico City Mexico;


CM will place its code on service to IST to begin with and in future add up to 22 beyond markets on TK.



Does that mean TK has abandoned their plans to finally fly to MEX with its own metal?
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Mon May 08, 2017 10:17 pm

Here are the growth numbers for the 5 biggest airports for April 16/17

APR '16 / APR '17

IST: DOM -1,7 % INT +12,6 % TOTAL +7,9 %
SAW: DOM +3,9 % INT +16,0 % TOTAL +7,7 %
ESB: DOM +6,3 % INT +33,1 % TOTAL +9,0 %
ADB: DOM +3,8 % INT +27,9 % TOTAL +7,2 %
AYT: DOM +4,2 % INT +30,1 % TOTAL +17,8 %

If the upward trend continues, 2017 won't be that bad of a year after all, even if not at full potential.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation May 2017

Tue May 09, 2017 1:42 pm

THY748i wrote:
AYT: DOM +4,2 % INT +30,1 % TOTAL +17,8 %

If the upward trend continues, 2017 won't be that bad of a year after all, even if not at full potential.


Any increase is welcome. Hopefully the numbers will be up to 2014 numbers again:
Russian arrivals:
-2014: 4,479,049
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Tue May 09, 2017 6:24 pm

pzurita1 wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
TK and COPA commencing codesharing. TK will initially place its code on CM flights from PTY to:


Pending governmental approvals will be expanded to cover flights to:
Cancun, Guadalajara and Mexico City Mexico;


CM will place its code on service to IST to begin with and in future add up to 22 beyond markets on TK.



Does that mean TK has abandoned their plans to finally fly to MEX with its own metal?

Let's hope so. That would be the third money-bleeding route in northern Latin America (joining BOG/PTY and HAV/CCS.
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Wed May 10, 2017 8:55 pm

Interesting news from Bloomberg that Malaysia Airports Holdings considering sale of its stake in SAW.

Suppose this would give TAV second chance to buy into the airport. Its 2014 bid to buy 40% stake held by Limak Holding was beat out by Malaysia Airports Holdings who sought to become sole owner of the facility at the time.

pzurita1 wrote:
Does that mean TK has abandoned their plans to finally fly to MEX with its own metal?


Not at all.
TK codeshare to many existing destinations via multiple points, so code sharing to MEX on CM via PTY hardly precludes own flights to MEX. If anything it will encourages it, as it helps build TK presence in the market and provides a 1-stop MEX flight GDS display listing with TK flight number.
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Thu May 11, 2017 5:22 pm

Interesting news from Bloomberg that Malaysia Airports Holdings considering sale of its stake in SAW.

Suppose this would give TAV second chance to buy into the airport. Its 2014 bid to buy 40% stake held by Limak Holding was beat out by Malaysia Airports Holdings who sought to become sole owner of the facility at the time.


The most recent rumors I have heard is that MAH is interested to release a minority share (which may be anything up to 49%) to a new party but not to release all... Naturally TAV will be the biggest (if not the sole) interested party!...

My gutfeel is that:
a) They will make it happen that TAV gets this "minority share",
b) TAV will be the constructor of the Terminal Extension at the present Terminal at SAW,
c) A "formula will be devised" that TAV will eventually build the New (2nd) Terminal at SAW using its own financial resources and the State will later pay for it!...
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Re: Turkish Aviation May 2017

Thu May 11, 2017 11:07 pm

I can't agree more on the TK issue and the premium traffic ESB has as a capital city, that is normal...However you should note that ESB was the last destination TK introduced Business Class in the domestic market due to amount of free pass to Turkish elite. In my opinion we should see Turkish Aviation Authority open up IST ESB sector to airlines other than TK and this will be a positive step...




mafaky wrote:
Sure Pegasus could do it too, not the North America segment though....


When the subject is ESB originating flights say to Europe & Middle East TK and other airlines have to think twice about the passenger portfolio. ESB pax are not only common people. There are diplomats, politicians, bureucrats, some holding owners and executives (a frequent contributor in this topic TK105 should be one of these latter...) who will be more willing/affording to fly on business class even for 3-4 hr. duration flights. I'm pretty sure that the 16 seat J cabin of QR's daily a320 flights show high load factors, from EB. If TK wants to open a third and lasting hub here at ESB, they have to be careful and consistent in their J Class product Assuming they have to operate only with narrow bodies (738 and 321s) they really must allocate planes with real J Class hardware: not the so-called J Class with 3+3 seats abreast with middle seats left empty. They definitely must use 2+2 abreast, good-reclining and wide seats with adequate pitch.

In this sense Pegasus is out of the game, anyway!... They can only serve the LCC pax, from ESB if there's a big demand.
 
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Sat May 13, 2017 1:32 am

Any idea why those masses on flights from Russia/Ukraine particularly this morning to AYT??? Huge capacities are flown in. TK with 4-5x 330's from MOW; KK, 8Q and of course all the RUS/UKR airlines as well.
 
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Sat May 13, 2017 8:51 am

PC will start serving CRL (Brussels' second airport) from ESB 1 weekly this summer.
 
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Sat May 13, 2017 9:19 am

Hi all after years,
I experienced IAP 333 last week, TC-LOD
Seats were uncomfortable, so thin and pich was 30 cm, so difficulat for me with 183 height. BC Seats were like 739ER seats, on the other hand if these birds are utilized at cheap priced routes then they should not be an issue
 
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Sat May 13, 2017 9:21 am

I saw ex-kingfisher 333 TC-LNA is schedules for TK 68 BKk for 14 of may at flightradar 24.Seems strange for me, does it have crew rest or perhaps a mistake . i will follow tomorrow
 
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Sat May 13, 2017 9:31 am

ist2014 wrote:
I saw ex-kingfisher 333 TC-LNA is schedules for TK 68 BKk for 14 of may at flightradar 24.Seems strange for me, does it have crew rest or perhaps a mistake . i will follow tomorrow

Kingfisher never had a333s. It was probably ex Skymark or ntu Skymark.
 
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Sat May 13, 2017 9:55 am

Sorry typo erros, a332, 2 frames at TK with PW engines joined TK in 2015
 
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Sat May 13, 2017 11:27 am

Actually there is time for wb order but under current circumstances it will not be materialized although according to Ugur Cebeci TK is analyzing B789 and A350
My dream list is :
20 B788 for thin long routes and new routes, replacing all 332, new routes in America and Africa, immediate need
10 B789
10 B781 for European trunck routes and some ER flights, replacing 340,
30 359 to replace 333 (after 2020-2025)
7 359 ULR for Syd, mel
20-30 779 and 778 to replace 77w after 2025
If Boeing launches MOM, 20-30 would be ordered for African routes

Again it is a wishlist for 2020-2025 but I see 788 an urgent need to replace 332s but under current circumstances I do not have any hope but lets discuss and motivate ourself
 
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Sat May 13, 2017 11:36 am

Does any body know loads at mnl and tpe routes
 
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Sat May 13, 2017 11:36 am

Does any body know loads at mnl and tpe routes
 
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Sat May 13, 2017 11:37 am

i saw number of 332 planned as 15 for May 17 at Skylife
 
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Sat May 13, 2017 12:27 pm

The 7th and final ex-Skymark A330 has been delivered to TK.

Intrepid Announces Delivery of 7th A330-300 To Turkish Airlines
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Sat May 13, 2017 12:55 pm

TheGeordielad wrote:
ist2014 wrote:
I saw ex-kingfisher 333 TC-LNA is schedules for TK 68 BKk for 14 of may at flightradar 24.Seems strange for me, does it have crew rest or perhaps a mistake . i will follow tomorrow

Kingfisher never had a333s. It was probably ex Skymark or ntu Skymark.


Do the Ex Skymark or Kingfisher A332 have the same layout and seats for business class as the original TK planes used to BKK.
I'm flying on 17 May IST - BKK (TK68) in business class.
 
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Sat May 13, 2017 1:13 pm

Hi Thaiflyer

Ex Skymarks333 are condensed but not used for BKK flights, they are uaed for europe, middleeast and some african destinations
For kingfisher I do not have any idea
I hope yoh fly with original TK equipment
Let us know your flight experience
 
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Sat May 13, 2017 2:01 pm

ist2014 wrote:
Hi Thaiflyer

Ex Skymarks333 are condensed but not used for BKK flights, they are uaed for europe, middleeast and some african destinations
For kingfisher I do not have any idea
I hope yoh fly with original TK equipment
Let us know your flight experience


Thanks for the information.
But i believe they used a ex Skymark today for the BKK flight. Please correct me if i'm wrong.
I fly this route 2 times a month and normally indeed on TK own equipment (333 or 777)
Seats and cabin are fine but the service is doing down a little bit over the last year or so and it is not consistent.
Specially the food service is now simpler then before and less choices.
Quality is good as always.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation May 2017

Sat May 13, 2017 3:19 pm

Here is list of recent tails that operated to BKK.

THY64
06MAY - TCJNL
07MAY - TCJNI
08MAY - TCLNE
10MAY - TCJNJ
11MAY - TCJNM
12MAY - TCJNP

THY68
07MAY - TCJOK
08MAY - TCJNK
09MAY - TCJNO
10MAY - TCJNM
11MAY - TCJNP
12MAY - TCJNI
13MAY - TCJNJ

For reference the ex Skymark A333s are registered TC-LOx
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Sat May 13, 2017 4:21 pm

ist2014 wrote:
Hi all after years,
I experienced IAP 333 last week, TC-LOD
Seats were uncomfortable, so thin and pich was 30 cm, so difficulat for me with 183 height. BC Seats were like 739ER seats, on the other hand if these birds are utilized at cheap priced routes then they should not be an issue


I wonder which makers' seats they have used while reconfiguring the cabins of these 7 ex-Skymark frames.

Can it be that they have used the original PE (W) seats that were standard in the Skymark versions, for J seats? And, can it be that they used locally made Y seats for the economy cabin? (We know these latter seats are being used in the 333s delivered factory fresh, for the last 7-8 frames....) Or, was TK left at the mercy and the "cheapest" choice of IAP, who will supposedly take back these 7 frames after an average period of seven ears?
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Sat May 13, 2017 4:24 pm

I will fly to Frankfurt on Monday. Most probabely it would be ex sky 333. i will take a picture and share with u
 
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Sat May 13, 2017 6:30 pm

Just had breakfast with a Turkish college student in NYC, he is flying to Istanbul next Monday.
He said he paid $264; one way, flying with Norwegian/Pegasus.
 
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Sat May 13, 2017 6:45 pm

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Just had breakfast with a Turkish college student in NYC, he is flying to Istanbul next Monday.
He said he paid $264; one way, flying with Norwegian/Pegasus.


Pretty impressive fare. DY do offer some pretty attractive TATL fares oneway. One thing the legacy carriers could learn from as they still use old fare systems.
 
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Sat May 13, 2017 11:26 pm

OA260 wrote:
TK787 wrote:
Just had breakfast with a Turkish college student in NYC, he is flying to Istanbul next Monday.
He said he paid $264; one way, flying with Norwegian/Pegasus.


Pretty impressive fare.


Similar dates TK's JFK-IST roundtrip Y runs around $1000 as usual. If you want to get flexible fares, like I do, it goes up to $1692.
 
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Sun May 14, 2017 4:15 am

TK787 wrote:
Just had breakfast with a Turkish college student in NYC, he is flying to Istanbul next Monday.
He said he paid $264; one way, flying with Norwegian/Pegasus.


Wow, that's impressive indeed! I presume he'll be flying on 2 separate tickets?
 
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Sun May 14, 2017 6:22 am

TK787 wrote:
Just had breakfast with a Turkish college student in NYC, he is flying to Istanbul next Monday.
He said he paid $264; one way, flying with Norwegian/Pegasus.


God help him in two consecutive flights in two sardine cans!... :ugeek:

But indeed, it's a dirt cheap price!...
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Sun May 14, 2017 6:29 am

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I will fly to Frankfurt on Monday. Most probabely it would be ex sky 333. i will take a picture and share with u


Wish you a safe and comfortable flight.

However do note that out of the four daily direct IST-FRA TK flights, only the early morning TK1587 is carried with a 333 (luckily it's not a 332 in the summer time-table). But even there, you nay come across to an original TK 333, or the TJOM or one of the seven ex-Skymark 333s. Keep your fingers crossed... :roll: (Never say never on a TK flight for any prescribed equipment, unless it's one of the no-other-choice 77W routes...)
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Sun May 14, 2017 1:33 pm

What is your idea about new MOM aircraft discussions and TK
i think it will be a perfect fit for African and CIS routes, even Indian subcontinent routes such as PK cities, Male, Kathmandu etc would be at range of aircraft
Will be something between 330s and 739er s
 
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Sun May 14, 2017 2:51 pm

Anadolujet Ankara-Diyarbakir flight; seems like a choir leads a sing along during flight:)
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Sun May 14, 2017 2:54 pm

mafaky wrote:
God help him in two consecutive flights in two sardine cans!... :ugeek:

But indeed, it's a dirt cheap price!...


I have recently heard feedback from a few friends who have used them USA-UK and they had nothing but good things to say about DY. Once you know what you are getting and know the rules then there is nothing to trip you up.
 
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Sun May 14, 2017 3:03 pm

ist2014 wrote:
What is your idea about new MOM aircraft discussions and TK
i think it will be a perfect fit for African and CIS routes, even Indian subcontinent routes such as PK cities, Male, Kathmandu etc would be at range of aircraft
Will be something between 330s and 739er s

I think most of those destinations will be covered by TK's standing A321 NEO order; with 3200nm range. If TK gets a few 321NEO-LR with 4000nm range, in 2-class 206 pax version; most everything is covered ( 90% of Africa and Asia). TK will be getting the first batch of 14 in 2018, followed each year with another 25, 22, 25 frames respectively.
 
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Sun May 14, 2017 3:46 pm

Do n't u think that a wider cabin makes more sense for 5-6 hours flight
I think MOM would be ready toward 2023-2025
 
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Sun May 14, 2017 4:29 pm

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Do n't u think that a wider cabin makes more sense for 5-6 hours flight
I think MOM would be ready toward 2023-2025

ha ha ha.
I live in the US. We are used to fly single aisle planes coast to coast, bring our own food on board and get dragged out by force when the flight is overbooked :)
 
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The 7th and final ex-Skymark A330 has been delivered to TK.

Intrepid Announces Delivery of 7th A330-300 To Turkish Airlines


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Sun May 14, 2017 6:27 pm

I hope this is not inappropriate, i put together a slideshow of the business flights i had with TK just for fun. Enjoy :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kduE9R7zCTg
 
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Sun May 14, 2017 6:47 pm

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ist2014 wrote:
What is your idea about new MOM aircraft discussions and TK
i think it will be a perfect fit for African and CIS routes, even Indian subcontinent routes such as PK cities, Male, Kathmandu etc would be at range of aircraft
Will be something between 330s and 739er s

I think most of those destinations will be covered by TK's standing A321 NEO order; with 3200nm range. If TK gets a few 321NEO-LR with 4000nm range, in 2-class 206 pax version; most everything is covered ( 90% of Africa and Asia). TK will be getting the first batch of 14 in 2018, followed each year with another 25, 22, 25 frames respectively.


I was wondering why they ordered the B737 MAX 9 anyway? Why build up a sub-fleet of 10 aircraft? IMHO I could think of changing that order to MAX 8 and instead order some A321 NEO LRs.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation May 2017

Mon May 15, 2017 8:48 am

Hello all
TK original 333, comfortable seat
Ontime, safe and comfortable flight
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation May 2017

Mon May 15, 2017 11:17 am

Hi guys,
I flew two long-routes with TK in J over the last 2 weeks. IST-MIA-IST, and IST-GRU-EZE-GRU-IST both in 773, load factors +85% in J and +95% in Y. Overall great service
Cabin crew were speculating about IST-EZE-IST flights to be operated by 333 in future, Sao Paolo flights getting a tag at Rio de Jenario with 777 equipment

On a seperate note, does anyone know how is SAW construction progressing for the 2nd run-way, said to be in service by 2019
This was the news from 2014, http://www.kokpit.aero/sabiha-gokcen-ye ... ekim-temel
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation May 2017

Mon May 15, 2017 11:34 am

TheKacaman wrote:
Hi guys,
I flew two long-routes with TK in J over the last 2 weeks. IST-MIA-IST, and IST-GRU-EZE-GRU-IST both in 773, load factors +85% in J and +95% in Y. Overall great service
Cabin crew were speculating about IST-EZE-IST flights to be operated by 333 in future, Sao Paolo flights getting a tag at Rio de Jenario with 777 equipment

On a seperate note, does anyone know how is SAW construction progressing for the 2nd run-way, said to be in service by 2019
This was the news from 2014, http://www.kokpit.aero/sabiha-gokcen-ye ... ekim-temel

Is IST-EZE even doable nonstop with a 333, without weight penalties? Or did I understand you wrong? Would there be another stop?
 
ist2014
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Re: Turkish Aviation May 2017

Mon May 15, 2017 11:37 am

I di not think 333 or even 332 has enough range for EZE or GRU or Rio
Thas the reason I am insisting about the need for 788 but no action :(
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation May 2017

Mon May 15, 2017 11:40 am

Cabin crew were speculating about IST-EZE-IST flights to be operated by 333 in future, Sao Paolo flights getting a tag at Rio de Jenario with 777 equipment


Most of the time cabin crew knows less than a regular a.nutter :)
There is no way A333 can do IST-EZE, not even a A330-200. This is one of the reasons TK should be looking into 787/350 size aircraft for these thin/long routes.

ha ha ha, "tam pisti olmus" with ist2014's post :)

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