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Re: India Aviation Thread - 2017

Tue Sep 26, 2017 5:51 am

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... 17-launch/

I guess Air Asia will have a lot of catching up to do in Mumbai since even Air Asia India does not serve Mumbai. With only Air Aisa Indonesia serving Mumbai, I doubt Mumbai will ever be on their priority.
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - 2017

Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:55 am

srbom wrote:
http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/274889/thai-lion-air-plans-mumbai-late-sep-2017-launch/

I guess Air Asia will have a lot of catching up to do in Mumbai since even Air Asia India does not serve Mumbai. With only Air Aisa Indonesia serving Mumbai, I doubt Mumbai will ever be on their priority.


The low cost terminal at Mumbai can barely accomodate more humans, forget about planes!!
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - 2017

Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:48 pm

Mahan Air increase DEL 4 x week from November https://twitter.com/aviationirancom/sta ... gr%5Etweet plan BOM and HYD service. https://twitter.com/aviationirancom/sta ... 5052186624
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - 2017

Mon Oct 16, 2017 9:42 pm

IndiGo announces ATR operations from Hyderabad, with the first 3 aircraft to be based at the city progressively from 21DEC17.

1 daily Hyderabad-Mangalore effective 21DEC

6E7101 HYD0640 - 0840IXE AT7 D

6E7102 IXE1350 - 1540HYD AT7 D

1 daily Chennai-Mangalore effective 21DEC

6E7102 MAA1135 - 1330IXE AT7 D

6E7101 IXE0905 - 1105MAA AT7 D

1 daily Hyderabad-Nagpur effective 21DEC

6E7103 HYD1615 - 1810NAG AT7 D

6E7104 NAG1830 - 2025HYD AT7 D

3 daily Hyderabad-Tirupati effective 09JAN

6E7105 HYD0625 - 0750TIR AT7 D
6E7112 HYD1240 - 1405TIR AT7 D
6E7114 HYD1925 - 2050TIR AT7 D

6E7108 TIR1055 - 1205HYD AT7 D
6E7115 TIR1735 - 1850HYD AT7 D
6E7117 TIR2110 - 2235HYD AT7 D

2 daily Bengaluru-Tirupati effective 09JAN

6E7107 BLR0940 - 1035TIR AT7 D
6E7114 BLR1620 - 1715TIR AT7 D

6E7106 TIR0810 - 0915BLR AT7 D
6E7113 TIR1425 - 1530BLR AT7 D

2 daily Hyderabad-Rajahmundry effective 16JAN

6E7118 HYD0705 - 0820RJA AT7 D
6E7123 HYD1435 - 1550RJA AT7 D

6E7122 RJA1250 - 1405HYD AT7 D
6E7126 RJA2010 - 2125HYD AT7 D

1 daily Bengaluru-Rajahmundry effective 16JAN

6E7121 BLR1045 - 1230RJA AT7 D

6E7119 RJA0840 - 1025BLR AT7 D

1 daily Chennai-Rajahmundry effective 16JAN

6E7125 MAA1755 - 1940RJA AT7 D

6E7124 RJA1610 - 1735MAA AT7 D

Bookings have commenced for all sectors with fares starting at ₹999/-
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - 2017

Mon Oct 16, 2017 9:49 pm

atal17 wrote:
IndiGo announces ATR operations from Hyderabad, with the first 3 aircraft to be based at the city progressively from 21DEC17.

1 daily Hyderabad-Mangalore effective 21DEC

6E7101 HYD0640 - 0840IXE AT7 D

6E7102 IXE1350 - 1540HYD AT7 D

1 daily Chennai-Mangalore effective 21DEC

6E7102 MAA1135 - 1330IXE AT7 D

6E7101 IXE0905 - 1105MAA AT7 D

1 daily Hyderabad-Nagpur effective 21DEC

6E7103 HYD1615 - 1810NAG AT7 D

6E7104 NAG1830 - 2025HYD AT7 D

3 daily Hyderabad-Tirupati effective 09JAN

6E7105 HYD0625 - 0750TIR AT7 D
6E7112 HYD1240 - 1405TIR AT7 D
6E7114 HYD1925 - 2050TIR AT7 D

6E7108 TIR1055 - 1205HYD AT7 D
6E7115 TIR1735 - 1850HYD AT7 D
6E7117 TIR2110 - 2235HYD AT7 D

2 daily Bengaluru-Tirupati effective 09JAN

6E7107 BLR0940 - 1035TIR AT7 D
6E7114 BLR1620 - 1715TIR AT7 D

6E7106 TIR0810 - 0915BLR AT7 D
6E7113 TIR1425 - 1530BLR AT7 D

2 daily Hyderabad-Rajahmundry effective 16JAN

6E7118 HYD0705 - 0820RJA AT7 D
6E7123 HYD1435 - 1550RJA AT7 D

6E7122 RJA1250 - 1405HYD AT7 D
6E7126 RJA2010 - 2125HYD AT7 D

1 daily Bengaluru-Rajahmundry effective 16JAN

6E7121 BLR1045 - 1230RJA AT7 D

6E7119 RJA0840 - 1025BLR AT7 D

1 daily Chennai-Rajahmundry effective 16JAN

6E7125 MAA1755 - 1940RJA AT7 D

6E7124 RJA1610 - 1735MAA AT7 D

Bookings have commenced for all sectors with fares starting at ₹999/-


Wonder if this will be the demise of TruJet. SG will probably be okay given their entrenched hub presence in HYD.
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - 2017

Wed Oct 25, 2017 12:28 am

Go Air was supposed to start flights to Maldives and Phuket from October, but it seems Maldives has been pushed to December. No idea about Phuket.
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - 2017

Fri Oct 27, 2017 5:13 pm

Air India postpones LAX launch to Summer 2018. 'Non Availability' of favourable slots being one of the reasons.

https://m.economictimes.com/industry/tr ... 276917.cms
 
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - 2017

Sun Oct 29, 2017 12:15 pm

Jet Airways launched its daily non-stop BLR-AMS-BLR today with A333 VT-JWR operating the first service:

https://www.flightradar24.com/JAI235/f5d2c18
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - 2017

Sun Oct 29, 2017 3:26 pm

anairliner wrote:
Air India postpones LAX launch to Summer 2018. 'Non Availability' of favourable slots being one of the reasons.

https://m.economictimes.com/industry/tr ... 276917.cms

Short of aircraft, crew, and slots. Sounds like poor planning and just coming up with every excuse. An interesting route, but the devil is in the details and AI isn't known for planning details timely. The problem with a political run instead of business run venture.
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Re: India Aviation Thread - 2017

Sun Oct 29, 2017 6:44 pm

lightsaber wrote:
anairliner wrote:
Air India postpones LAX launch to Summer 2018. 'Non Availability' of favourable slots being one of the reasons.

https://m.economictimes.com/industry/tr ... 276917.cms

Short of aircraft, crew, and slots. Sounds like poor planning and just coming up with every excuse. An interesting route, but the devil is in the details and AI isn't known for planning details timely. The problem with a political run instead of business run venture.


GST could be another issue. 10%-12% markup on near break-even/near loss ULH routes is an issue, but no one is going complaint about mom. AI took deliveries of all 788s and only one more 77W will join the fleet. Short of aircraft comment doesn't make any sense.
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Re: India Aviation Thread - 2017

Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:05 pm

Cochin will have a few one off flights to Manchester, London Gatwick and Birmingham next winter as part of a series of cruises for TUI.

Flights will use a B787.
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - 2017

Mon Oct 30, 2017 7:38 pm

dtw2hyd wrote:
AI took deliveries of all 788s and only one more 77W will join the fleet. Short of aircraft comment doesn't make any sense.


That's hardly a fait accompli. AI still owns all 3 production slots, and while no one has spoken out about GOI's plans for the "presidential fleet" after AI's sale, wouldn't any prospective buyer assume that they would be able to use those two additional frames for commercial flights? Besides, the Indian Army has bought military helicopters from Boeing via direct Government to Government deal, wouldn't the Air Force also be able to acquire two aircraft via a similar process or perhaps via BBJ? I am assuming that the Indian Air Force would own and operate those aircraft, as I don't really see any prospective buyer willing to get into a situation where they'd have to own and operate AI1/2.

Are the bid documents public yet?
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - 2017

Mon Oct 30, 2017 8:44 pm

dtw2hyd wrote:
GST could be another issue. 10%-12% markup on near break-even/near loss ULH routes is an issue, but no one is going complaint about mom. AI took deliveries of all 788s and only one more 77W will join the fleet. Short of aircraft comment doesn't make any sense.


GST is 5% for economy, and 12% for business class. And companies purchasing business class ticket can claim input credit on the taxes paid. GST impact on airlines tickets has been pretty marginal according to many.
 
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Tue Oct 31, 2017 2:04 am

devmapper wrote:
That's hardly a fait accompli. AI still owns all 3 production slots, and while no one has spoken out about GOI's plans for the "presidential fleet" after AI's sale, wouldn't any prospective buyer assume that they would be able to use those two additional frames for commercial flights? Besides, the Indian Army has bought military helicopters from Boeing via direct Government to Government deal, wouldn't the Air Force also be able to acquire two aircraft via a similar process or perhaps via BBJ? I am assuming that the Indian Air Force would own and operate those aircraft, as I don't really see any prospective buyer willing to get into a situation where they'd have to own and operate AI1/2.

Are the bid documents public yet?


This kind of reasoning screwed the pooch.

AI wouldn't need any 77Ws in 2018.
AI would have swapped these for 9 x 737MAX.
AI taking a loan for $555M. Too much for 3x Civilian 77Ws
AI paid $4M to Thales because IFE contract for these 3 planes expired last year.

Indian VVIPs have 3xBBJs, 6xE-Jets, 12xMi-17 V5s. Close to $3 Billion worth of equipment.
3x IAF owned and operated 77Ws would cost another $1B
Why waste defense budget, when you can send the kid (AI) with the backpack and shopping list. It will borrow and buy planes VVIPs can enjoy.
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Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:15 pm

blrsea wrote:
GST is 5% for economy, and 12% for business class. And companies purchasing business class ticket can claim input credit on the taxes paid. GST impact on airlines tickets has been pretty marginal according to many.


My comment was about GST on AI operational expenses. ULH is a low/no margin operation, any additional tax will push routes into red category.
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Re: India Aviation Thread - 2017

Thu Nov 02, 2017 3:43 pm

dtw2hyd wrote:
This kind of reasoning screwed the pooch.

AI wouldn't need any 77Ws in 2018.
AI would have swapped these for 9 x 737MAX.
AI taking a loan for $555M. Too much for 3x Civilian 77Ws
AI paid $4M to Thales because IFE contract for these 3 planes expired last year.

Indian VVIPs have 3xBBJs, 6xE-Jets, 12xMi-17 V5s. Close to $3 Billion worth of equipment.
3x IAF owned and operated 77Ws would cost another $1B
Why waste defense budget, when you can send the kid (AI) with the backpack and shopping list. It will borrow and buy planes VVIPs can enjoy.


AI just postponed the DEL-LAX flight to Summer 2018 because, among other things, it doesn't have suitable aircraft. Considering the majority of its 77W fleet does not have the latest PIPs and weight reduction measures and have to take a weight penalty on the longest routes, I'd assume AI would be looking forward to new aircraft that does not have to have seats blocked off while also enabling it to increase capacity on the DEL-SFO route, while the 77Ls are used to start the DEL-LAX route.

AI doesn't operate any narrowbody 737, AIX does. All AIX aircraft are leased directly from lessors. There has been no indications that operating model is going to change anytime soon. I call #fakenews on the 737Max swap. There are 4 Max models, which one was being swapped for the 77Ws?
 
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Thu Nov 02, 2017 4:28 pm

devmapper wrote:
AI just postponed the DEL-LAX flight to Summer 2018 because, among other things, it doesn't have suitable aircraft. Considering the majority of its 77W fleet does not have the latest PIPs and weight reduction measures and have to take a weight penalty on the longest routes, I'd assume AI would be looking forward to new aircraft that does not have to have seats blocked off while also enabling it to increase capacity on the DEL-SFO route, while the 77Ls are used to start the DEL-LAX route.


Now you are just making up stuff to justify your position.

A load controlled(block 100 Y) AI 77W will have same or more seats than a AI 77L.
15xT7s can do 10x daily ULH round trip routes with industry standard of 1.5 frames per RT.
You do the math. AI don't need a single additional 777.

devmapper wrote:
AI doesn't operate any narrowbody 737, AIX does. All AIX aircraft are leased directly from lessors. There has been no indications that operating model is going to change anytime soon. I call #fakenews on the 737Max swap. There are 4 Max models, which one was being swapped for the 77Ws?


http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/eco ... 499776.ece
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Re: India Aviation Thread - 2017

Thu Nov 02, 2017 5:45 pm

dtw2hyd wrote:
Now you are just making up stuff to justify your position.

A load controlled(block 100 Y) AI 77W will have same or more seats than a AI 77L.
15xT7s can do 10x daily ULH round trip routes with industry standard of 1.5 frames per RT.
You do the math. AI don't need a single additional 777.


AI has 12 77W frames. So that's 8 daily ULH without any spare capacity for IRROPS. Disregarding any Gulf routes currently being operated using 77W, there are 4 ULH routes to North America (on peak days). If according to plans, AI does go ahead with both LAX and Texas (DFW/IAH) flights, they would have to switch 77Ls to the Texas route, since 77Ws do not have the range to reach Texas airports from DEL. So that leaves 6 North American routes (JFK, EWR, ORD, IAD, SFO and LAX). That's 9 aircraft. Accounting for spares, in case of IRROPS, 12 aircraft seem to be sufficient.

The problem with the above analysis is that this assumes that AI will not expand or try to increase capacity on high-demand slot constrained routes (including LHR and DXB, and considering geopolitics in east Asia, perhaps NRT) over the next 2-5 years. It also does not leave much room for expansion on ULH flights (let's say YVR and/or YYZ).

I think the "presidential fleet" in India will be based on 4 AI 747s transferred to IAF. It is an established platform that is already being used in similar functions in the USAF. Also, it appears the 747-400 isn't a fly-by-wire aircraft, which I think makes it more attractive to MoD analysts. I hardly think GOI is going to be the canary in the coal mine and test the hardening of the 777's fly-by-wire system. Even the Air Force 1 replacement is based on the 747-8i.

dtw2hyd wrote:
devmapper wrote:
AI doesn't operate any narrowbody 737, AIX does. All AIX aircraft are leased directly from lessors. There has been no indications that operating model is going to change anytime soon. I call #fakenews on the 737Max swap. There are 4 Max models, which one was being swapped for the 77Ws?


http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/eco ... 499776.ece


Still doesn't cover details on which model was offered. This seems to be a half-baked idea proposed by Boeing apologists in India, coming especially after the AI board decided not to get 789s.
 
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Thu Nov 02, 2017 6:14 pm

devmapper wrote:
AI has 12 77W frames. So that's 8 daily ULH without any spare capacity for IRROPS. Disregarding any Gulf routes currently being operated using 77W, there are 4 ULH routes to North America (on peak days). If according to plans, AI does go ahead with both LAX and Texas (DFW/IAH) flights, they would have to switch 77Ls to the Texas route, since 77Ws do not have the range to reach Texas airports from DEL. So that leaves 6 North American routes (JFK, EWR, ORD, IAD, SFO and LAX). That's 9 aircraft. Accounting for spares, in case of IRROPS, 12 aircraft seem to be sufficient.

The problem with the above analysis is that this assumes that AI will not expand or try to increase capacity on high-demand slot constrained routes (including LHR and DXB, and considering geopolitics in east Asia, perhaps NRT) over the next 2-5 years. It also does not leave much room for expansion on ULH flights (let's say YVR and/or YYZ)..


Math is very simple Fleet size = Number of Daily ULH x 1.5.

Even if all six American stations(including LAX) are served daily it needs only 9 active aircraft. Now only JFK, ORD and EWR are dailies, SFO and IAD are not. Probably LAX will not be.a daily. So 9 + 1 mx + 1 standby = 11. Four more are doing what??? Why does AI need 3 more?

devmapper wrote:
I think the "presidential fleet" in India will be based on 4 AI 747s transferred to IAF. It is an established platform that is already being used in similar functions in the USAF. Also, it appears the 747-400 isn't a fly-by-wire aircraft, which I think makes it more attractive to MoD analysts. I hardly think GOI is going to be the canary in the coal mine and test the hardening of the 777's fly-by-wire system. Even the Air Force 1 replacement is based on the 747-8i..


This has been discussed in Mil Av forum in detailed.


dtw2hyd wrote:
Still doesn't cover details on which model was offered. This seems to be a half-baked idea proposed by Boeing apologists in India, coming especially after the AI board decided not to get 789s.


AI Group has no shortage of widebodies, it has a shortage of narrowbodies. When the swap opportunity knocked the door, GoI slammed the door, throwing the monkey wrench that VVIPs need those two 77Ws.
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Re: India Aviation Thread - 2017

Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:57 pm

6E to start BLR-IXM-BLR from Dec 29th. It will be an A320.

6E 906 BLR 1945 - 2045 IXM
6E 909 IXM 2115 - 2220 BLR

From October 4th SG started it's Q400 service between BLR and IXM.
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Re: India Aviation Thread - 2017

Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:58 pm

factsonly wrote:
Jet Airways launched its daily non-stop BLR-AMS-BLR today with A333 VT-JWR operating the first service:

https://www.flightradar24.com/JAI235/f5d2c18


Jet Airways also launched non-stop MAA-CDG-MAA from 10/29.
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Sat Nov 04, 2017 5:47 am

dtw2hyd wrote:
Math is very simple Fleet size = Number of Daily ULH x 1.5.

Even if all six American stations(including LAX) are served daily it needs only 9 active aircraft. Now only JFK, ORD and EWR are dailies, SFO and IAD are not. Probably LAX will not be.a daily. So 9 + 1 mx + 1 standby = 11. Four more are doing what??? Why does AI need 3 more?


Read my post again. What AI has works for its current schedule, but does not leave any room for expansion. Do you think SFO would have remained 6-weekly if there were more than 3 77L frames? Do you think AI would not look to convert IAD to a daily if it manages to get UA codeshare? Assuming AI does start LAX in Summer 2018, if it does reasonably well, perhaps with the aid of a UA codeshare, will it not try to fly that route daily? I am not even going to go into the DEL-Texas flight debate. YVR should be a pretty attractive target for AI, especially with AC codeshare. Just the US routes outlined by AI management a couple of months ago translate to potentially 7 daily flights, which is 10.5 frames. Adding 1 MX and 1 Standby takes the figure to 12.5.

dtw2hyd wrote:
devmapper wrote:
I think the "presidential fleet" in India will be based on 4 AI 747s transferred to IAF. It is an established platform that is already being used in similar functions in the USAF. Also, it appears the 747-400 isn't a fly-by-wire aircraft, which I think makes it more attractive to MoD analysts. I hardly think GOI is going to be the canary in the coal mine and test the hardening of the 777's fly-by-wire system. Even the Air Force 1 replacement is based on the 747-8i..


This has been discussed in Mil Av forum in detailed.


Do post the link.

dtw2hyd wrote:
devmapper wrote:
Still doesn't cover details on which model was offered. This seems to be a half-baked idea proposed by Boeing apologists in India, coming especially after the AI board decided not to get 789s.


AI Group has no shortage of widebodies, it has a shortage of narrowbodies. When the swap opportunity knocked the door, GoI slammed the door, throwing the monkey wrench that VVIPs need those two 77Ws.

It has a surplus of 788s, which do not have the range to do ULH flights. That is due to a paralysis in management ever since talks of divestment were brought up, as evidenced by their inability to convert the last 7 788s to 789s. No one from GoI slammed any doors. Besides, the 737Max were superfluous anyway, since they had already signed leases for A320neos. The VVIP monkey wrench was always a media speculation.
 
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Sat Nov 04, 2017 5:56 am

dtw2hyd wrote:
AI Group has no shortage of widebodies, it has a shortage of narrowbodies. When the swap opportunity knocked the door, GoI slammed the door, throwing the monkey wrench that VVIPs need those two 77Ws.


May I also point out that AI has not made any significant moves to increase its domestic capacity, especially on the trunk routes in the last 1 year? Could it be because AI management has decided (IMHO wisely) to not compete with the LCCs on domestic routes and instead concentrate their efforts into building an efficient feeder network for the international network? The few route expansions were mainly to Category-3 airports.
 
 
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Tue Nov 07, 2017 5:45 pm

indigo will be the first airline in India to have 1000 daily flights daily by year end.

New flights announced Monday are maiden flights on sectors like Lucknow-Sharjah, Hyderabad-Sharjah, Lucknow-Srinagar, Hyderabad-Ranchi and Lucknow-Dehradun. The schedule will also see additional frequencies connecting Kolkata, Bengaluru and Chennai with places like Guwahati, Bhubaneswar and Kochi.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/bus ... 533190.cms
 
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Tue Nov 07, 2017 7:12 pm

AirAsia X will start direct services from KL to Jaipur with four-time weekly flights effective Feb 5, 2018.

http://www.themalaymailonline.com/trave ... -next-year
 
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Sat Nov 11, 2017 10:16 pm

So well in regards to the whole Indigo Fiasco, this is what Jet Airways and Air India have to say

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Mon Nov 13, 2017 2:48 pm

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There is nothing management can do if owner asks them to borrow $400 Million for their private rides. Indian VVIPs never traveled Indian-USA non-stop. They always stop in Europe. Two more 737MAX BBJs by IAF would be more than enough.

So the $9.5B question. Why would any owner add $535M additional debt while the entity is already on the block.
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Re: India Aviation Thread - 2017

Tue Nov 14, 2017 8:17 pm

Indigo goes to court regarding the Delhi Airport terminal situation

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/in ... 647056.cms
 
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Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:58 am

Malindo opens booking for 2x weekly(Sun& Thursday) between Bengaluru & Kuala Lumpur wef 21st December.
OD241 KUL 2040 BLR 2210
OD242 BLR 2315 KUL 0600
 
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Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:12 am

Also BIAL is in talks with a 'Western European' carrier and wants them to start flights from BLR from WS'18.
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - 2017

Sun Nov 19, 2017 3:23 am

Domestic passengers growth rebounds; grows 20.52% in October

source : https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/in ... 690543.cms

ps : Its 38th month of double digit growth despite NEO issues and airport constrains.
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - 2017

Sun Nov 19, 2017 3:40 am

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Also BIAL is in talks with a 'Western European' carrier and wants them to start flights from BLR from WS'18.


VS or KL ?
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Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:07 am

I am not aware of the airline in talks... :)
 
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Sun Nov 19, 2017 8:15 am

I wonder which Western European airline would be interested in Banglore.

Norwegian was planning to launch flights to DEL, but that also has not been finalised.

I can only think of VS the only "Western European" carrier to start flights to BLR, even though the chances are less of that.
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - 2017

Sun Nov 19, 2017 10:14 am

JOYA380B747 wrote:
sand26391 wrote:
Also BIAL is in talks with a 'Western European' carrier and wants them to start flights from BLR from WS'18.


VS or KL ?


Forget VS - Cant see them dropping one of their existing flights and LHR slots to try and get BLR to work. Heck they couldn't even get BOM to work.
 
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Sun Nov 19, 2017 11:02 am

anstar wrote:
JOYA380B747 wrote:
sand26391 wrote:
Also BIAL is in talks with a 'Western European' carrier and wants them to start flights from BLR from WS'18.


VS or KL ?


Forget VS - Cant see them dropping one of their existing flights and LHR slots to try and get BLR to work. Heck they couldn't even get BOM to work.


Yeah even I thought of that
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - 2017

Sun Nov 19, 2017 2:15 pm

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indigo will be the first airline in India to have 1000 daily flights daily by year end.

That is impressive. What is Indigo's A320NEO delivery rate now that PW1100G engine deliveries are increased?

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Re: India Aviation Thread - 2017

Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:25 pm

anstar wrote:
JOYA380B747 wrote:
sand26391 wrote:
Also BIAL is in talks with a 'Western European' carrier and wants them to start flights from BLR from WS'18.


VS or KL ?


Forget VS - Cant see them dropping one of their existing flights and LHR slots to try and get BLR to work. Heck they couldn't even get BOM to work.


I honestly wish I had an idea of which airline it is, very unlikely it wil be a UK based.. I remember the AMS flight took like 18 months just to materialize. It may even be Swiss(thats what the buzz is is going on). Maybe "Western EU" is just a diversion tactic...anyhow... this is what i came to know from past 2 weeks... will update if I hear anything next time. Similarly BIAL is also talks with a SEAsain carrier(s).
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - 2017

Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:44 am

lightsaber wrote:
Slash787 wrote:
indigo will be the first airline in India to have 1000 daily flights daily by year end.

That is impressive. What is Indigo's A320NEO delivery rate now that PW1100G engine deliveries are increased?

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I have no idea regarding that, Karel would be knowing it, but I do keep on seeing pictures of Indigo aircrafts frequently on the A320neo Production thread.
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - 2017

Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:50 am

SpiceJet to start daily Ahmedabad-Bangkok flight from 7th December

http://www.livemint.com/Companies/MbHy2 ... -Dece.html
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - 2017

Sat Nov 25, 2017 12:18 pm

Hi, any news about IndiGo launching to Colombo?
I was told that the airline has filed for BLR to CMB....
*The Flight departs BLR at 2040hrs and arrives back at BLR at 0005hrs(+1) as 6E2205.*
If im not wrong Sri Lankan departs BLR around the same time ~2100hrs to Colombo.
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - 2017

Fri Dec 22, 2017 6:02 pm

Does Indigo only have 1 ATR plane at the moment? What if there's a maintenance issue and it needs to be taken off the schedule?
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - 2017

Sat Dec 23, 2017 8:04 am

wintertiger wrote:
Does Indigo only have 1 ATR plane at the moment? What if there's a maintenance issue and it needs to be taken off the schedule?


The plane has just been delivered - why would it fall into maintenance.

Besides, 6E has received their 2nd ATR72 today.

In other 6E ATR news - 6E opens bookings for their 50th destination, Vijayawada eff 02MAR18

[*] 3 daily Hyderabad-Vijayawada

6E7201 HYD0630 - 0735VGA AT7 D
6E7205 HYD1350 - 1455VGA AT7 D
6E7211 HYD2010 - 2115VGA AT7 D

6E7202 VGA1210 - 1310HYD AT7 D
6E7209 VGA1845 - 1945HYD AT7 D
6E7206 VGA2135 - 2235HYD AT7 D

[*] 1 daily Bengaluru-Vijayawada

6E7204 BLR1015 - 1150VGA AT7 D

6E7203 VGA0800 - 0935BLR AT7 D

[*] 1 daily Chennai-Vijayawada

6E7208 MAA1655 - 1825VGA AT7 D

6E7207 VGA1515 - 1635MAA AT7 D

6E is also commencing their 49th destination - Colombo effective 20JAN18

[*] 2 daily Chennai-Colombo

6E1201 MAA0655 - 0815CMB 320 D
6E1203 MAA1200 - 1325CMB 320 D

6E1202 CMB0915 - 1100MAA 320 D
6E1204 CMB2030 - 2155MAA 320 D

[*] 1 daily Bengaluru-Colombo

6E1205 BLR1800 - 1930CMB 320 D

6E1206 CMB1425 - 1555BLR 320 D
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - 2017

Wed Dec 27, 2017 7:34 am

AI seems to have improved its operations slightly to post a small EBITDA profit:

http://www.livemint.com/Companies/N7TmhyUAoYaouU2rYX28VI/Will-Air-India-be-sold-in-2018.html
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - 2017

Thu Dec 28, 2017 2:26 am

devmapper wrote:
AI seems to have improved its operations slightly to post a small EBITDA profit:

http://www.livemint.com/Companies/N7TmhyUAoYaouU2rYX28VI/Will-Air-India-be-sold-in-2018.html


The issue was never operational profits. They have been making operational profits since 2012 or so. The issue is with the debt burden, much of it Govt imposed, which pushes overall financials in the red.

AI have just borrowed 500m or so to finance the VVIP conversion of some aircraft, not sure which. Why is AI having to pay for the conversion rather than the Govt?
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Re: India Aviation Thread - 2017

Fri Dec 29, 2017 3:47 am

BawliBooch wrote:
The issue was never operational profits. They have been making operational profits since 2012 or so. The issue is with the debt burden, much of it Govt imposed, which pushes overall financials in the red.

AI have just borrowed 500m or so to finance the VVIP conversion of some aircraft, not sure which. Why is AI having to pay for the conversion rather than the Govt?


For me, the operational profit growth indicates that their strategy to focus on international operations has generally been correct. When AI gets sold, hopefully the new owners would keep (and perhaps expand) the international routes, especially the long-haul routes.
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - 2017

Tue Jan 09, 2018 1:27 pm

India Aviation Thread 2018 now open, refer to

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