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Re: Westjet orders 10 787-9

Tue May 02, 2017 6:04 pm

This is great news. The 787 is the prefect choice. I hope this brings more direct options to Europe from western Canada. I wonder how this may affect Air Transat or are they already so well established in Europe?
 
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Re: Westjet orders 10 787-9

Tue May 02, 2017 6:05 pm

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sagechan wrote:
10 frames is not a lot.

From 4 widebody aircraft to 10 and possibly 20 is not a lot? To me that looks like a huge expansion.


For some reason i thought they had 6 767s. Though 10 frames still isnt a lot in my opinion, though for WS it may very well be appropriate.
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Tue May 02, 2017 6:20 pm

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Which 737s did they convert to options? MAX7?


Previous Max order was 25 7s, 30 Max8s and 10 Max9s.......now 20 Max7s, 23 Max8s and 7 Max9s...
 
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Re: Westjet orders 10 787-9

Tue May 02, 2017 6:25 pm

I thought they would go to the 787, but I would have put money on that they would have taken the -8 first. Build up a fleet of -8's, maybe 10 and add the -9 where needed. I guess go big or go home.
 
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Re: Westjet orders 10 787-9

Tue May 02, 2017 6:40 pm

I wonder if the 737MAXs that were turned into options may be converted to 737-10s if that plane launches? They shrunk the order for larger 737-8/9s.
 
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Re: Westjet orders 10 787-9

Tue May 02, 2017 6:57 pm

I expect they are planning to go head to head against AC. mainline with emphasis on YVR/YOW/YYC. to Asia and Europe . I don't see this plane as the vehicle to go against Air Transat, they have the 767's for this. When they disclose the cabin configuration it may become clearer. I don't see this airplane on vacation routes unless they set it up like JQ's 788 but with something like 340 to 350 seats. They could get smart and offer a section with more Y space than AC by doing as UA and AA do ; by putting in a section with 35" seat pitch.
 
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Tue May 02, 2017 7:10 pm

OA940 wrote:
I don't think they're gonna launch J, but a more modern W and personal IFE would go a long way.

PanzerPowner wrote:
Let me throw this out here now. YVR-MNL let's see some competition for once.

The demand is there...and a W & Y offering may just be the ticket to overcome western airlines' avoidance of MNL due to being low-yielding. The 789 could be the best platform to bring this idea from out of left field into reality. :airplane: Now, if they could just get a good slot at NAIA..... :scratchchin:
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Tue May 02, 2017 8:22 pm

sunrisevalley wrote:
I expect they are planning to go head to head against AC. mainline with emphasis on YVR/YOW/YYC. to Asia and Europe . I don't see this plane as the vehicle to go against Air Transat, they have the 767's for this. When they disclose the cabin configuration it may become clearer. I don't see this airplane on vacation routes unless they set it up like JQ's 788 but with something like 340 to 350 seats. They could get smart and offer a section with more Y space than AC by doing as UA and AA do ; by putting in a section with 35" seat pitch.


I don't know how much YOW there is going to be, given the market size just isn't massive, and AC already being there on what routes are viable. I think YYZ will likely see the most 787 service, with YYC coming close behind, it follows everything they have done recently and those two are their largest hubs. Just look at the 767, how it has rapidly become YYZ and YYC centric.
 
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Re: Westjet orders 10 787-9

Tue May 02, 2017 8:27 pm

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Looks like WS wants to resurrect CP.

Looking how CP was created from PWA and CPair now WS appears headed same direction?

It would appear AC has a real fight for survival....or maybe not?


CP Air? Never could have imagined that popping up. Now, I know you probably mean business structure and such, but how I'd love to see an orange-and-red donned 787. :hyper:
Great to see WS expanding!
 
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Re: Westjet orders 10 787-9

Tue May 02, 2017 10:52 pm

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I feel like India could be a possible destination for them!


The big Asian money in Canada (or almost anywhere) is Chinese. Indian traffic is largely VFR guest workers, parents and their extended families who just do not have the financial muscle of the vast Chinese upper class. Maybe in 25 years, but China would be way ahead even then..
 
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Re: Westjet orders 10 787-9

Tue May 02, 2017 10:58 pm

Curious: would WS ever consider taking on AC or LY on the YYZ-TLV line? This could open up that market and provide more capacity than LY provides now using 767s.
 
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Wed May 03, 2017 1:31 am

Devilfish wrote:
OA940 wrote:
I don't think they're gonna launch J, but a more modern W and personal IFE would go a long way.

PanzerPowner wrote:
Let me throw this out here now. YVR-MNL let's see some competition for once.

The demand is there...and a W & Y offering may just be the ticket to overcome western airlines' avoidance of MNL due to being low-yielding. The 789 could be the best platform to bring this idea from out of left field into reality. :airplane: Now, if they could just get a good slot at NAIA..... :scratchchin:


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Wed May 03, 2017 4:30 am

Polot wrote:
MartijnNL wrote:
sagechan wrote:
10 frames is not a lot.

From 4 widebody aircraft to 10 and possibly 20 is not a lot? To me that looks like a huge expansion.

Especially since, unless Westjet goes all out and introduces a proper J, their 789s will seat a lot more than their 763s.


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Wed May 03, 2017 6:15 am

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I wonder if the 737MAXs that were turned into options may be converted to 737-10s if that plane launches? They shrunk the order for larger 737-8/9s.


Perhaps, but they dropped some of all three models, and the least dropped in number were the largest. I'm actually wondering if they MAX 10 might be a bit on the large side for WS?
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Wed May 03, 2017 6:59 am

Devilfish wrote:
OA940 wrote:
I don't think they're gonna launch J, but a more modern W and personal IFE would go a long way.

PanzerPowner wrote:
Let me throw this out here now. YVR-MNL let's see some competition for once.

The demand is there...and a W & Y offering may just be the ticket to overcome western airlines' avoidance of MNL due to being low-yielding. The 789 could be the best platform to bring this idea from out of left field into reality. :airplane: Now, if they could just get a good slot at NAIA..... :scratchchin:


I think YYC-MNL is a very good possibility. Over the last decade, there has been a huge insurgence of immigrants into Alberta, from the Philippines.
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Wed May 03, 2017 7:08 am

First routes, Australia and Europe, with a possible Asia (China) route?
 
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Wed May 03, 2017 12:18 pm

b747400erf wrote:
First routes, Australia and Europe, with a possible Asia (China) route?


Perhaps YYC-AKL with feeds from central and eastern Canada. Or a longshot YYC-AKL-MEL and return.
 
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Re: Westjet orders 10 787-9

Wed May 03, 2017 1:13 pm

ZyreaxPlayz wrote:
bmacleod wrote:
Looks like WS wants to resurrect CP.

Looking how CP was created from PWA and CPair now WS appears headed same direction?

It would appear AC has a real fight for survival....or maybe not?


CP Air? Never could have imagined that popping up. Now, I know you probably mean business structure and such, but how I'd love to see an orange-and-red donned 787. :hyper:
Great to see WS expanding!


I was actually referring to Canadian Airlines - which used the airline code CP.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Airlines
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Re: Westjet orders 10 787-9

Wed May 03, 2017 2:31 pm

bmacleod wrote:
ZyreaxPlayz wrote:
bmacleod wrote:
Looks like WS wants to resurrect CP.

Looking how CP was created from PWA and CPair now WS appears headed same direction?

It would appear AC has a real fight for survival....or maybe not?


CP Air? Never could have imagined that popping up. Now, I know you probably mean business structure and such, but how I'd love to see an orange-and-red donned 787. :hyper:
Great to see WS expanding!


I was actually referring to Canadian Airlines - which used the airline code CP.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Airlines

CP Air was an airline that eventually merged to become Canadian Airlines. CP Air (also known as Canadian Pacific Air Lines) also used the airline code CP. Why phrase it as CP Air, if you mean Canadian Airlines. Sorry, I was just confused by that [CPair]. :laughing: Still, a Canadian Airlines livery on a 789! That too, would be awesome.
 
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Re: Westjet orders 10 787-9

Wed May 03, 2017 3:54 pm

If they do full J on the new 787s will they retrofit their 737s with J aswell or atleast something more than a Y seat with a a blocked middle seat? I have to imagine they have to if they want to attract any connecting business traffic.
 
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Re: Westjet orders 10 787-9

Wed May 03, 2017 4:02 pm

What I've heard from a WS FA friend is they're installing ovens on the 737s in economy - she goes into training in September- and turning Plus into a more premium experience. I don't know what that entails but I'd imagine moving to a true J cabin. As for ovens in economy, I suppose that means hot meals for purchase? Doesn't the 767 have hot meals for purchase? I mean...they wouldn't be so crazy as to introduce free meals on long sectors would they? Because that would be game-changing.
 
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Wed May 03, 2017 4:23 pm

My guess is that the Westjet 767 configuration will look a lot like Norwegian 787s. The seating dimensions with a premium economy and standard economy along with buy on board hot meals makes sense for the Canadian market. 2-3-2 premium seating with pitch in the 40s and 30-32 inch economy seat pitch with slimline seats. I would expect ovens installed just like they have on the 767s.
 
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Wed May 03, 2017 4:38 pm

Newbiepilot wrote:
My guess is that the Westjet 767 configuration will look a lot like Norwegian 787s. The seating dimensions with a premium economy and standard economy along with buy on board hot meals makes sense for the Canadian market. 2-3-2 premium seating with pitch in the 40s and 30-32 inch economy seat pitch with slimline seats. I would expect ovens installed just like they have on the 767s.



I keep hearing it will be 3 class J/Y+/Y with flat beds in J. I believe their CEO also mentioned this
 
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Wed May 03, 2017 4:41 pm

I would like to travel in economy but be able to pre-purchase a business class meal and wines for a fixed price.
 
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Wed May 03, 2017 6:01 pm

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: Still, a Canadian Airlines livery on a 789! That too, would be awesome.


Better yet, an ORANGE 787-9, a year 2000 GOOSE on a 777, a 1960s GOOSE on a 767-300, rounding out with a 50s BRITANNIA style red stripe on an A321.
 
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Re: Westjet orders 10 787-9

Wed May 03, 2017 6:02 pm

obelau24 wrote:
What I've heard from a WS FA friend is they're installing ovens on the 737s in economy - she goes into training in September- and turning Plus into a more premium experience. I don't know what that entails but I'd imagine moving to a true J cabin. As for ovens in economy, I suppose that means hot meals for purchase? Doesn't the 767 have hot meals for purchase? I mean...they wouldn't be so crazy as to introduce free meals on long sectors would they? Because that would be game-changing.


The B737MAX are coming with ovens installed, so far only the B738NGs are getting ovens installed...
 
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Wed May 03, 2017 7:27 pm

whywhyzee wrote:
sunrisevalley wrote:
I expect they are planning to go head to head against AC. mainline with emphasis on YVR/YOW/YYC. to Asia and Europe . I don't see this plane as the vehicle to go against Air Transat, they have the 767's for this. When they disclose the cabin configuration it may become clearer. I don't see this airplane on vacation routes unless they set it up like JQ's 788 but with something like 340 to 350 seats. They could get smart and offer a section with more Y space than AC by doing as UA and AA do ; by putting in a section with 35" seat pitch.


I don't know how much YOW there is going to be, given the market size just isn't massive, and AC already being there on what routes are viable. I think YYZ will likely see the most 787 service, with YYC coming close behind, it follows everything they have done recently and those two are their largest hubs. Just look at the 767, how it has rapidly become YYZ and YYC centric.


YOW can definitely support a few weeklies on a 789 to LGW at the very least. However, ideally WS will give YOW a daily 737-7 or -8MAX to LGW, GLA and DUB. If YYT can fill a 737 daily to DUB, YOW and the Ottawa Valley region's strong cultural ties to Ireland can too with ease. YOW has had GLA service in the past with Zoom.

Unfortunately the NG is out of range but the MAX will have no issues. YOW-LGW nonstop on WS will happen. It's just a question of how long after the right equipment is on property will it launch. They wouldn't have set up YYT-LGW to 1-stop, same-plane out of YOW if the long-term plan wasn't to make YOW nonstop. But you're right the 789s will be at YYC, YYZ and YVR 90% of the time and at YEG and YWG the other 10%.
 
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yycdel wrote:
Newbiepilot wrote:
My guess is that the Westjet 767 configuration will look a lot like Norwegian 787s. The seating dimensions with a premium economy and standard economy along with buy on board hot meals makes sense for the Canadian market. 2-3-2 premium seating with pitch in the 40s and 30-32 inch economy seat pitch with slimline seats. I would expect ovens installed just like they have on the 767s.



I keep hearing it will be 3 class J/Y+/Y with flat beds in J. I believe their CEO also mentioned this

He did in a CBC interview. Also mentioned Europe, Asia and South America.
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Adipocere wrote:
anshabhi wrote:
I feel like India could be a possible destination for them!


The big Asian money in Canada (or almost anywhere) is Chinese. Indian traffic is largely VFR guest workers, parents and their extended families who just do not have the financial muscle of the vast Chinese upper class. Maybe in 25 years, but China would be way ahead even then..


= I would disagree. Chinese money in Canada is mostly around illegally parked money of mainland Chinese. Indian diaspora has changed form significantly over the last few years. Note the new ULR flights of AC, and their sustained capacity expansion. Having said that, WS would be foolish to start with India or China ...

OA940 wrote:
Damn, they really go for it. I don't think they're gonna launch J, but a more modern W and personal IFE would go a long way.


= They will definitely launch a full flat J. Economics will not help otherwise.

These are good, bold, and long overdue moves by WestJet. The challenge I think is going to be the execution risk. Their organization is still VERY Canadian with most senior management positions being held by Canadians. I know the guy from AirNZ is joining, but most others have Canadian or US experience. To be successful, they need to make some strategic commercial and operational hires fast. I'd hope Gregg and their recruiting teams are looking at talent at airlines such as Norwegian and AirAsia X who can bring in expertise and ensure that WS long haul is done the right way.

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Thu May 04, 2017 10:14 am

abrelosojos wrote:

These are good, bold, and long overdue moves by WestJet. The challenge I think is going to be the execution risk. Their organization is still VERY Canadian with most senior management positions being held by Canadians. I know the guy from AirNZ is joining, but most others have Canadian or US experience. To be successful, they need to make some strategic commercial and operational hires fast. I'd hope Gregg and their recruiting teams are looking at talent at airlines such as Norwegian and AirAsia X who can bring in expertise and ensure that WS long haul is done the right way.

Saludos,
Alex


They should just hire Arik De who is now chief commercial head of AirAsia X and who spent 3 years managing network planning at WestJet.

http://airasiax.listedcompany.com/management.html
 
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abrelosojos wrote:
Adipocere wrote:
anshabhi wrote:
I feel like India could be a possible destination for them!


The big Asian money in Canada (or almost anywhere) is Chinese. Indian traffic is largely VFR guest workers, parents and their extended families who just do not have the financial muscle of the vast Chinese upper class. Maybe in 25 years, but China would be way ahead even then..


= I would disagree. Chinese money in Canada is mostly around illegally parked money of mainland Chinese. Indian diaspora has changed form significantly over the last few years. Note the new ULR flights of AC, and their sustained capacity expansion. Having said that, WS would be foolish to start with India or China ...

OA940 wrote:
Damn, they really go for it. I don't think they're gonna launch J, but a more modern W and personal IFE would go a long way.


= They will definitely launch a full flat J. Economics will not help otherwise.

These are good, bold, and long overdue moves by WestJet. The challenge I think is going to be the execution risk. Their organization is still VERY Canadian with most senior management positions being held by Canadians. I know the guy from AirNZ is joining, but most others have Canadian or US experience. To be successful, they need to make some strategic commercial and operational hires fast. I'd hope Gregg and their recruiting teams are looking at talent at airlines such as Norwegian and AirAsia X who can bring in expertise and ensure that WS long haul is done the right way.

Saludos,
Alex


Idk though, bc they are an LCC, and Norwegian, probably the most successful low-cost-long-haul airline, don't have a fully (or even angled) flat J. The biggest chance I see is a recliner. Angled-flat tops. But no way lie-flat. IFE will 99% be available.
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-I tried to book a trip to Calgary/Banff/Vancouver this June. No rental cars available and all high end hotels booked solid. The Asian tourists are pushing demand beyond capacity I believe. Will WestJet try to tap into this? BTW-we're going to NF instead.


I'd look to a lot of Canadians choosing to vacation domestically as another cause, for the 150th birthday, the weaker Canadian dollar, and the political situation south of the border.


If the "political situation" south of the border is preventing Canadians from traveling to the U.S. they must be snowflakes listening to too much agenda driven media propaganda.
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Thu May 04, 2017 4:21 pm

OA940 wrote:
abrelosojos wrote:
Adipocere wrote:

The big Asian money in Canada (or almost anywhere) is Chinese. Indian traffic is largely VFR guest workers, parents and their extended families who just do not have the financial muscle of the vast Chinese upper class. Maybe in 25 years, but China would be way ahead even then..


= I would disagree. Chinese money in Canada is mostly around illegally parked money of mainland Chinese. Indian diaspora has changed form significantly over the last few years. Note the new ULR flights of AC, and their sustained capacity expansion. Having said that, WS would be foolish to start with India or China ...

OA940 wrote:
Damn, they really go for it. I don't think they're gonna launch J, but a more modern W and personal IFE would go a long way.


= They will definitely launch a full flat J. Economics will not help otherwise.

These are good, bold, and long overdue moves by WestJet. The challenge I think is going to be the execution risk. Their organization is still VERY Canadian with most senior management positions being held by Canadians. I know the guy from AirNZ is joining, but most others have Canadian or US experience. To be successful, they need to make some strategic commercial and operational hires fast. I'd hope Gregg and their recruiting teams are looking at talent at airlines such as Norwegian and AirAsia X who can bring in expertise and ensure that WS long haul is done the right way.

Saludos,
Alex


Idk though, bc they are an LCC, and Norwegian, probably the most successful low-cost-long-haul airline, don't have a fully (or even angled) flat J. The biggest chance I see is a recliner. Angled-flat tops. But no way lie-flat. IFE will 99% be available.


Neither do Scoot Biz nor Jetstar Business have lie flats on their 787s. Both, along with Norwegian Premium, are basically premium economy anyway. Scoot Biz doesn't even have IFE.

Airasia Premium has angled flats on its A330s but no IFE.

It'll be interesting whose longhaul business model Westjet will follow.
 
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Thu May 04, 2017 4:28 pm

With talk of Westjet starting their own ULCC I suspect Westjet is interested in pushing their product upmarket to be more equivalent to AC than Norwegian or Scoot in terms of hard product.
 
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Thu May 04, 2017 7:08 pm

Interesting times ahead. They should also look at Rouge to make some hirings.

Also, I think they will have angled flat seats. How is their frequent flyer program? Will Canadians switch to them?
 
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Thu May 04, 2017 7:24 pm

abrelosojos wrote:
Adipocere wrote:
anshabhi wrote:
These are good, bold, and long overdue moves by WestJet. The challenge I think is going to be the execution risk. Their organization is still VERY Canadian with most senior management positions being held by Canadians. I know the guy from AirNZ is joining, but most others have Canadian or US experience. To be successful, they need to make some strategic commercial and operational hires fast. I'd hope Gregg and their recruiting teams are looking at talent at airlines such as Norwegian and AirAsia X who can bring in expertise and ensure that WS long haul is done the right way.

Saludos,
Alex


Agreed. I believe that Arik De should return to WestJet and help them stabilize long-haul (not that it's doing poorly, but the hiccups last summer showed that the execution piece had some major learning challenges for WS and it would be prudent to bring back someone who has strong experience in this area). Wasn't he around for the Encore launch, and the expansion to flying markets like YYT - DUB? Pretty sure this was before he moved on...and it's been highly successful for the company.

I also would hope that he can bring some transparency to the ULCC concept which, hardly even a week in, had so many unclear goals that it almost feels like the public was distracted a few days later to learn about the 787s...
 
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Thu May 04, 2017 7:47 pm

tjwgrr wrote:
If the "political situation" south of the border is preventing Canadians from traveling to the U.S. they must be snowflakes listening to too much agenda driven media propaganda.


= Agreed. How absurd. I think Canadians are not traveling to the U.S. because the Canadian Dollar (like, a lot of currencies) have really taken a beating. Besides, other than seasonal demand fluctuations, WS should more importantly serve U.S. markets with more 737's and their new ULCC (now, that is a dumb idea) than use the 787's.

carlokiii wrote:
IAirasia Premium has angled flats on its A330s but no IFE.

It'll be interesting whose longhaul business model Westjet will follow.


= AirAsia Premium product has IFE's. I have not flown them in a bit, but I know they announced a new IFE system last year, and Wi-Fi is rolled out this year.

IrishAyes wrote:
Agreed. I believe that Arik De should return to WestJet and help them stabilize long-haul (not that it's doing poorly, but the hiccups last summer showed that the execution piece had some major learning challenges for WS and it would be prudent to bring back someone who has strong experience in this area). Wasn't he around for the Encore launch, and the expansion to flying markets like YYT - DUB? Pretty sure this was before he moved on...and it's been highly successful for the company.

I also would hope that he can bring some transparency to the ULCC concept which, hardly even a week in, had so many unclear goals that it almost feels like the public was distracted a few days later to learn about the 787s...


= Funny name you should mention! I will try to find the link somewhere from Aviation magazine on Arik. He mentioned something like he was grateful WestJet happened early on in his career and that it was a place he learned a lot from especially senior management. As much as it would be an interesting choice, why would he come back though? I saw him at CAPA last year (http://www.centreforaviation.tv/ceo-upd ... x-update-2). See the interview yourself. Seems like he is enjoying his time at AirAsia X and has his hands full. The Big Middle East airlines have tried for a few years to get him and failed. Who knows?

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Re: Westjet orders 10 787-9

Fri May 05, 2017 4:15 pm

Everyone seems to think WS is this mythical LCC, ER even as in truth, while they have some aspects of a LCC, they have steadily been leaving that behind. They have plans to compete as a more full service esque carrier going foreward, this has been the internal directive for a couple years. I'm lucky to call a number of WS employees friends, and they all say the same thing, they are growing up, and trying to become a better AC. Everything they do is with the goal of taking on AC. Don't expect first class suites on the 787, but also don't expect a classic LCC configuration.
 
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Re: Westjet orders 10 787-9

Fri May 05, 2017 4:47 pm

whywhyzee wrote:
Everyone seems to think WS is this mythical LCC, ER even as in truth, while they have some aspects of a LCC, they have steadily been leaving that behind. They have plans to compete as a more full service esque carrier going foreward, this has been the internal directive for a couple years. I'm lucky to call a number of WS employees friends, and they all say the same thing, they are growing up, and trying to become a better AC. Everything they do is with the goal of taking on AC. Don't expect first class suites on the 787, but also don't expect a classic LCC configuration.


= Well written.

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Re: Westjet orders 10 787-9

Fri May 05, 2017 5:33 pm

abrelosojos wrote:
Adipocere wrote:
anshabhi wrote:
I feel like India could be a possible destination for them!


The big Asian money in Canada (or almost anywhere) is Chinese. Indian traffic is largely VFR guest workers, parents and their extended families who just do not have the financial muscle of the vast Chinese upper class. Maybe in 25 years, but China would be way ahead even then..


= I would disagree. Chinese money in Canada is mostly around illegally parked money of mainland Chinese. Indian diaspora has changed form significantly over the last few years. Note the new ULR flights of AC, and their sustained capacity expansion. Having said that, WS would be foolish to start with India or China ...

OA940 wrote:
Damn, they really go for it. I don't think they're gonna launch J, but a more modern W and personal IFE would go a long way.


= They will definitely launch a full flat J. Economics will not help otherwise.

These are good, bold, and long overdue moves by WestJet. The challenge I think is going to be the execution risk. Their organization is still VERY Canadian with most senior management positions being held by Canadians. I know the guy from AirNZ is joining, but most others have Canadian or US experience. To be successful, they need to make some strategic commercial and operational hires fast. I'd hope Gregg and their recruiting teams are looking at talent at airlines such as Norwegian and AirAsia X who can bring in expertise and ensure that WS long haul is done the right way.

Saludos,
Alex

That first part is an extremely racist thing to say. He vast majority of travelers and money in the Chinese Canadian community are from those born in Canada and first generation immigrants.
 
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Re: Westjet orders 10 787-9

Fri May 05, 2017 5:47 pm

whywhyzee wrote:
Everyone seems to think WS is this mythical LCC, ER even as in truth, while they have some aspects of a LCC, they have steadily been leaving that behind. They have plans to compete as a more full service esque carrier going foreward, this has been the internal directive for a couple years. I'm lucky to call a number of WS employees friends, and they all say the same thing, they are growing up, and trying to become a better AC. Everything they do is with the goal of taking on AC. Don't expect first class suites on the 787, but also don't expect a classic LCC configuration.


Completely agree. I expect a move like Mint from JetBlue. Both for the branding and halo effect, but as well as competing directly with AC's premium product the same way Mint took on the legacies. My guess is reverse herringbone on the 787.

tphuang wrote:
abrelosojos wrote:
Adipocere wrote:

The big Asian money in Canada (or almost anywhere) is Chinese. Indian traffic is largely VFR guest workers, parents and their extended families who just do not have the financial muscle of the vast Chinese upper class. Maybe in 25 years, but China would be way ahead even then..


= I would disagree. Chinese money in Canada is mostly around illegally parked money of mainland Chinese. Indian diaspora has changed form significantly over the last few years. Note the new ULR flights of AC, and their sustained capacity expansion. Having said that, WS would be foolish to start with India or China ...

OA940 wrote:
Damn, they really go for it. I don't think they're gonna launch J, but a more modern W and personal IFE would go a long way.


= They will definitely launch a full flat J. Economics will not help otherwise.

These are good, bold, and long overdue moves by WestJet. The challenge I think is going to be the execution risk. Their organization is still VERY Canadian with most senior management positions being held by Canadians. I know the guy from AirNZ is joining, but most others have Canadian or US experience. To be successful, they need to make some strategic commercial and operational hires fast. I'd hope Gregg and their recruiting teams are looking at talent at airlines such as Norwegian and AirAsia X who can bring in expertise and ensure that WS long haul is done the right way.

Saludos,
Alex

That first part is an extremely racist thing to say. He vast majority of travelers and money in the Chinese Canadian community are from those born in Canada and first generation immigrants.

He's talking about Chinese, not Chinese-Canadians.
 
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Re: Westjet orders 10 787-9

Fri May 05, 2017 5:51 pm

¿options of Westjet to Spain?
 
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Re: Westjet orders 10 787-9

Fri May 05, 2017 6:29 pm

keitherson wrote:
whywhyzee wrote:
Everyone seems to think WS is this mythical LCC, ER even as in truth, while they have some aspects of a LCC, they have steadily been leaving that behind. They have plans to compete as a more full service esque carrier going foreward, this has been the internal directive for a couple years. I'm lucky to call a number of WS employees friends, and they all say the same thing, they are growing up, and trying to become a better AC. Everything they do is with the goal of taking on AC. Don't expect first class suites on the 787, but also don't expect a classic LCC configuration.


Completely agree. I expect a move like Mint from JetBlue. Both for the branding and halo effect, but as well as competing directly with AC's premium product the same way Mint took on the legacies. My guess is reverse herringbone on the 787.

Having flown both a lot, Jetblue easily has better product than WS.

tphuang wrote:
abrelosojos wrote:

= I would disagree. Chinese money in Canada is mostly around illegally parked money of mainland Chinese. Indian diaspora has changed form significantly over the last few years. Note the new ULR flights of AC, and their sustained capacity expansion. Having said that, WS would be foolish to start with India or China ...



= They will definitely launch a full flat J. Economics will not help otherwise.

These are good, bold, and long overdue moves by WestJet. The challenge I think is going to be the execution risk. Their organization is still VERY Canadian with most senior management positions being held by Canadians. I know the guy from AirNZ is joining, but most others have Canadian or US experience. To be successful, they need to make some strategic commercial and operational hires fast. I'd hope Gregg and their recruiting teams are looking at talent at airlines such as Norwegian and AirAsia X who can bring in expertise and ensure that WS long haul is done the right way.

Saludos,
Alex

That first part is an extremely racist thing to say. He vast majority of travelers and money in the Chinese Canadian community are from those born in Canada and first generation immigrants.

He's talking about Chinese, not Chinese-Canadians.


I believe he said "Chinese money in Canada is mostly around illegally parked money of mainland Chinese", responding to previous comment regarding the traffic composition of Indian vs Chinese from Canada. Amongst Canada/China air traffic, there are clearly mostly Chinese Canadians with relatives and business interest in China as well as rich Chinese family who sent their kids to China. If you use "Chinese money in Canada", the first generation Chinese Canadians will think that would include them.
 
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Re: Westjet orders 10 787-9

Fri May 05, 2017 7:35 pm

tphuang wrote:
keitherson wrote:
whywhyzee wrote:
Everyone seems to think WS is this mythical LCC, ER even as in truth, while they have some aspects of a LCC, they have steadily been leaving that behind. They have plans to compete as a more full service esque carrier going foreward, this has been the internal directive for a couple years. I'm lucky to call a number of WS employees friends, and they all say the same thing, they are growing up, and trying to become a better AC. Everything they do is with the goal of taking on AC. Don't expect first class suites on the 787, but also don't expect a classic LCC configuration.


Completely agree. I expect a move like Mint from JetBlue. Both for the branding and halo effect, but as well as competing directly with AC's premium product the same way Mint took on the legacies. My guess is reverse herringbone on the 787.

Having flown both a lot, Jetblue easily has better product than WS.

tphuang wrote:
That first part is an extremely racist thing to say. He vast majority of travelers and money in the Chinese

Canadian community are from those born in Canada and first generation immigrants.

He's talking about Chinese, not Chinese-Canadians.


I believe he said "Chinese money in Canada is mostly around illegally parked money of mainland Chinese", responding to previous comment regarding the traffic composition of Indian vs Chinese from Canada. Amongst Canada/China air traffic, there are clearly mostly Chinese Canadians with relatives and business interest in China as well as rich Chinese family who sent their kids to China. If you use "Chinese money in Canada", the first generation Chinese Canadians will think that would include them.


I think you are missing the point here. Mint is potentially comparable to where Westjet is going. The 737's are getting ovens, the new 787 is getting lie flat seats and 3 classes of service. I think mint is a fantastic comparison to what it sounds like they are going for, the modern branding, being an alternative to the established carrier(s) and offering great service. Just look at how far they have come, and with their comprehensive network, they can offer a really great product to get people in and around Canada. I welcome it, I think it's a great step and makes them a very attractive company. Much more robust then a regional LCC.
 
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Re: Westjet orders 10 787-9

Fri May 05, 2017 11:04 pm

whywhyzee wrote:
I think you are missing the point here. Mint is potentially comparable to where Westjet is going. The 737's are getting ovens, the new 787 is getting lie flat seats and 3 classes of service. I think mint is a fantastic comparison to what it sounds like they are going for, the modern branding, being an alternative to the established carrier(s) and offering great service. Just look at how far they have come, and with their comprehensive network, they can offer a really great product to get people in and around Canada. I welcome it, I think it's a great step and makes them a very attractive company. Much more robust then a regional LCC.


= Yes. Bang on. I am not sure about the ULCC within WestJet idea, but Gregg has been a great leader for WestJet and as long as he sticks around, I think they are going to be in safe hands. Let's see if they are able to pick up talent as I said from other airlines. It would be foolish to think they can execute an ULCC or a long-haul LCC by hiring people from full legacy carriers. Having said that, I have met Ed Sims from his Air NZ days, and he is pretty smart.

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Re: Westjet orders 10 787-9

Fri Sep 29, 2017 3:59 am

There may have to be a few less after a 222% tax on Boeing products entering the country.
 
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Re: Westjet orders 10 787-9

Fri Sep 29, 2017 4:27 am

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There may have to be a few less after a 222% tax on Boeing products entering the country.


Look I’m fuming at the Cseries ruling but I don’t think the Canadian govt will retaliate with such a response... it would really hurt our airlines and be political suicide for our govt. Expect to see all Boeing orders to happen as planned and should there be any hard feelings it’ll be the airlines who decide (doubtful there will be).
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