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Air India to Start Delhi to Copenhagen in May 2017

Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:44 am

Air India to start 4 weekly DEL - CPH flights from May 2017 using a B787.

Source: Air India Twitter account
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Re: Air India to Start Delhi to Copanhagen in May 2017

Mon Jan 16, 2017 2:42 pm

Would it codeshare with SAS and use feed their feed from SK's Scandinavian destinations?
 
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Re: Air India to Start Delhi to Copanhagen in May 2017

Mon Jan 16, 2017 2:45 pm

Copenhagen even.
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Re: Air India to Start Delhi to Copanhagen in May 2017

Mon Jan 16, 2017 4:06 pm

nothing published on sabre as yet for DEL CPH nor DEL IAD by AI
 
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Re: Air India to Start Delhi to Copanhagen in May 2017

Mon Jan 16, 2017 4:58 pm

behramjee wrote:
nothing published on sabre as yet for DEL CPH nor DEL IAD by AI

They have not announced the flight numbers yet.
 
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Re: Air India to Start Delhi to Copanhagen in May 2017

Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:59 pm

behramjee wrote:
nothing published on sabre as yet for DEL CPH nor DEL IAD by AI


True, but it is officially announced fro their corporate communications department.
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Re: Air India to Start Delhi to Copanhagen in May 2017

Mon Jan 16, 2017 7:37 pm

ojas wrote:
Air India to start 4 weekly DEL - CPH flights from May 2017 using a B787.

Source: Air India Twitter account


Do you know it will be 4x weekly? I have not seen anything official posted about schedule and/or frequency yet...
 
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Re: Air India to Start Delhi to Copanhagen in May 2017

Mon Jan 16, 2017 7:48 pm

Here is another source with link to their twitter account:

https://www.businesstraveller.com/busin ... n-service/
 
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Re: Air India to Start Delhi to Copenhagen in May 2017

Mon Jan 16, 2017 8:08 pm

Damn! Had hoped they'd choose ARN. But glad to see AI expand internationally either way. Hope it workes out well for them.
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Re: Air India to Start Delhi to Copanhagen in May 2017

Tue Jan 17, 2017 4:27 am

sas767 wrote:
ojas wrote:
Air India to start 4 weekly DEL - CPH flights from May 2017 using a B787.

Source: Air India Twitter account


Do you know it will be 4x weekly? I have not seen anything official posted about schedule and/or frequency yet...


Air India's twitter account is very much official.
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Re: Air India to Start Delhi to Copanhagen in May 2017

Tue Jan 17, 2017 4:57 am

ojas wrote:
sas767 wrote:
ojas wrote:
Air India to start 4 weekly DEL - CPH flights from May 2017 using a B787.

Source: Air India Twitter account


Do you know it will be 4x weekly? I have not seen anything official posted about schedule and/or frequency yet...


Air India's twitter account is very much official.


Yes but I can't see anything about frequency of 4x Weekly in the Tweet from Air India.
 
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Re: Air India to Start Delhi to Copenhagen in May 2017

Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:40 pm

Hope this will blossom into a long term partnership with Norwegian. Without much cooperation from LH/UA at FRA, *A membership going nowhere.

AI (or even AIX) operating B787 with onward TATL connections on Norwegian would be a great opportunity. Hope AI doesn't drag its feet and DY is willing to join.
 
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Re: Air India to Start Delhi to Copenhagen in May 2017

Tue Jan 17, 2017 3:03 pm

Is there a significant diaspora or corporate connections between India and Denmark to support this flight? ArcelorMittal? Larsen & Toubro?
 
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Re: Air India to Start Delhi to Copenhagen in May 2017

Tue Jan 17, 2017 7:12 pm

dtw2hyd wrote:
Hope this will blossom into a long term partnership with Norwegian. Without much cooperation from LH/UA at FRA, *A membership going nowhere.

AI (or even AIX) operating B787 with onward TATL connections on Norwegian would be a great opportunity. Hope AI doesn't drag its feet and DY is willing to join.


Umm...SAS.

I could see that perhaps, in future - DY and AI considering a partnership, but that is very far off from happening. As is, DY can easily compete with AI on costs, and apply for cities to India in their own right. Why should DY compromise their ability to serve India, at lower costs, and higher yields - and feed their own network. What benefit would AI provide, save for feed at DEL and BOM - that could not better be served by a partnership with any of the Indian LCCs (who will all provide better connectivity, and likely more appealing codeshare/alliance terms to DY at the upcoming points in their growth progressions). I can actually see them getting allied to SpiceJet, or AirAsia India (with the added benefit of openining the doors to greater Air Asia participation) before heading to Indigo (as they currently possess the greatest current potential and might leverage that into less advantageous/more costly terms to DY).

AI, on the other hand - has a cost structure much more akin to SAS. Expanding the relationship with SAS would allow AI to feed the flights healthily, and considering how well Finnair does on the Asian routes, SAS should be willing to shore-up their efforts, and couple their advantages where they can take them - as DY is likely placing immense pressure on their performance as a whole, but on their long-haul destinations certainly, where SAS did allocate their highest costing products. AI likely has the cost advantage here (pending new aircraft arrivals), and this is a logical add - considering that it would connect two Star-Alliance hubs. The added benefit of being a non-stop provides a credible advantage to higher-yielding passengers.

Medium term, if AI plays it well - they should consider timing the flights to perhaps connect (or add frequencies at times in which connections would be possible) to take advantage of other parts of SAS's networks and strengths. As 9W strengthens partnership to AF/KLM and DL, AI must also take stock of that and counter when and how it can.
 
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Re: Air India to Start Delhi to Copenhagen in May 2017

Wed Jan 18, 2017 6:20 am

Adipocere wrote:
Is there a significant diaspora or corporate connections between India and Denmark to support this flight? ArcelorMittal? Larsen & Toubro?


Similar questions were popped up when DEL-VIE was announced and launched, one can only hope that these flights don't meet a quick demise the next time oil spikes up, or the economy tanks, or both.
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Re: Air India to Start Delhi to Copenhagen in May 2017

Mon May 08, 2017 1:19 pm

Anybody have any updates on this service?
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Re: Air India to Start Delhi to Copenhagen in May 2017

Tue May 09, 2017 3:51 am

Spiderguy252 wrote:
Anybody have any updates on this service?

I do!

BREAKING NEWS

To washigton from 7th july, stockkholm from 15th august and los angeles from 1st september to be followed by tel aviv, dallas and nairobi sometime later during the year 2017 itself. Air india spreads its wings far and wide.

https://facebook.com/story.php?story_fb ... =517210282

Stockholm has replaced Copenhagen.
 
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AI plans several new long hauls for 2017

Tue May 09, 2017 7:46 am

AI chairman Ashwani Lohani said in a Facebook post on Tuesday: "To Washington from 7th July; Stockholm from 15th August and Los Angeles from 1st September to be followed by Tel Aviv, Dallas and Nairobi sometime later during the year 2017 itself. Air India spreads its wings far and wide."
Apart from Washington, the other dates are tentative from when AI plans to start these flights. A senior airline official said: "There is huge demand for travel between India and the West Coast of US. We are looking at thrice a week nonstop between Delhi and Los Angeles to begin with. The plan for Stockholm is of a similar frequency and nonstop Washington service will also start as three times a week. Our nonstop product is being increasingly chosen by flyers as they want to travel direct (between India and US) and not one or two stops."

http://toi.in/5fjMJZ/a18cg

original fb post: https://www.facebook.com/ashwani.lohani ... 8820660283

This also explains why AI is adding new destinations instead of frequencies on existing routes.
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Re: AI plans several new long hauls for 2017

Tue May 09, 2017 7:59 am

Surprised MAN hasn't been announced - wasn't that one of their desired destinations?
 
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Re: AI plans several new long hauls for 2017

Tue May 09, 2017 8:21 am

Surprised no DFW?
 
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Re: AI plans several new long hauls for 2017

Tue May 09, 2017 8:25 am

klm672 wrote:
Surprised no DFW?

it is. Next after LAX.
 
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Re: AI plans several new long hauls for 2017

Tue May 09, 2017 9:00 am

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klm672 wrote:
Surprised no DFW?

it is. Next after LAX.

"AI chairman Ashwani Lohani said in a Facebook post on Tuesday: "To Washington from 7th July; Stockholm from 15th August and Los Angeles from 1st September to be followed by Tel Aviv, Dallas and Nairobi sometime later during the year 2017 itself. Air India spreads its wings far and wide." "

Sorry! I must have missed it.
 
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Re: AI plans several new long hauls for 2017

Tue May 09, 2017 9:16 am

Wow thats great! Its about time there will be a nonstop LAX-DEL route! I hope they would also launch JNB, seems like a low hanging fruit.
 
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Re: AI plans several new long hauls for 2017

Tue May 09, 2017 9:22 am

Anybody want to guess where the aircraft are coming on for these legs?

They only have another 4-6 788s on order, 1 more 77W (3 come in, and two older one leave to replace Air India One) and there is talk of some 789s.

I would guess that these stations will be below daily services.
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Re: AI plans several new long hauls for 2017

Tue May 09, 2017 9:31 am

@8herveg I don't think AI will add a 3rd destination in UK. You better hope SG will start MAN. It's going long haul soon, with London being the first expected destination.

@spiderguy252 it was never official that those 2 B77W are meant for AI 1. Most likely, AI will use them for commercial service only.
 
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Re: AI plans several new long hauls for 2017

Tue May 09, 2017 12:13 pm

Great to see them expanding!
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Re: AI plans several new long hauls for 2017

Tue May 09, 2017 12:14 pm

Air India to DFW what happen to IAH? Did Air India choose DFW over IAH?
 
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Re: AI plans several new long hauls for 2017

Tue May 09, 2017 12:44 pm

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Surprised MAN hasn't been announced - wasn't that one of their desired destinations?


Much more likely to see Vistara (BOM-MAN) or Scoot (SIN-BOM-MANvv) than AI (DEL-MAN).

If AI don't plan to add a third UK destination, it will be a question of whether to stay put at BHX (where by all accounts they continue to do well) or switch to MAN (where there are no guarantees). If I were in AI's shoes, I know what I'd do.
 
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Re: AI plans several new long hauls for 2017

Tue May 09, 2017 12:52 pm

Based on past comments on a.net, DFW might not do well, already overcrowded and it appears Dallas area Indians avoid AI.

Looks like AI is deploying new A320NEO,B788s and B744s should cover domestic, ME markets. So AI will have 16-18 B777s for US routes. JFK,EWR,ORD,IAD,SFO,LAX and DFW.

AI can actually switch BOM-EWR to B788, so EWR will have 2xB788s.

Not sure whats going on at BHX. Even BHX-DXB is down quite a bit. A code share with AC at BHX will help.
 
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Re: AI plans several new long hauls for 2017

Tue May 09, 2017 1:04 pm

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Air India to DFW what happen to IAH? Did Air India choose DFW over IAH?


The DFW-India market is growing more quickly than IAH-India, owing largely to the more diversified job market in North Texas vs. Houston. The DFW-India market is also decently top-heavy, not that Houston is not, but Houston is also more sensitive to demand shifts in the oil market.

LAXDude1023 can provide better insight into this.
 
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Re: AI plans several new long hauls for 2017

Tue May 09, 2017 2:00 pm

But surely the small advantages that DFW has over IAH is surpassed by UA's Star hub with Star FF's? Can AI's 788 handle BOW-EWR nonstop (also won't 3 frames be needed for daily)? I thought the only one they could even consider changing was JFK-DEL but even that would be an issue for a 788. Can a 77W handle LAX-DEL? I am making a big assumption here (that AI's management is rational), but it seems that AI is smelling blood on the India-USA routes (I am guessing because of the laptop ban). AI always did well with the VFR crowd (and got the premium in Y be it for the nonstop or because people trusted their parents with AI more than transiting in EU or ME). The laptop ban probably pushes just enough J class tickets to make the flights viable? With so many US cities served by AI, I wonder if UA will continue to not work with AI more closely. I think AI should stick to BHX vs MAN. Leave BOM flights to 9W. That said, I think 9W needs to start the two most obvious BOM flights - BOM-MAN (using a A332 and VS codeshare) and BOM-NBO (using a 737). All I can think is the EY investment prevents them from launching?
 
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Re: AI plans several new long hauls for 2017

Tue May 09, 2017 2:16 pm

IrishAyes wrote:
aircountry wrote:
Air India to DFW what happen to IAH? Did Air India choose DFW over IAH?


The DFW-India market is growing more quickly than IAH-India, owing largely to the more diversified job market in North Texas vs. Houston. The DFW-India market is also decently top-heavy, not that Houston is not, but Houston is also more sensitive to demand shifts in the oil market.

LAXDude1023 can provide better insight into this.


Ill be honest, I would have expected IAH first simply because of the Star Hub and nothing else.

DFW has a larger and much faster growing Indian community and the business ties that DFW has with India are growing exponentially. If you spend time in a place like Irving or Plano, its pretty overwhelming. Its not New Jersey or the Silicon Valley, but its about on par with places in the Chicago area.

Houston has Sugar Land, Missouri City, and Stafford which have very large Indian communities and the Westchase area has a ton of Indian businesses, but its got nothing on the suburbs north of Dallas.
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Re: AI plans several new long hauls for 2017

Tue May 09, 2017 2:30 pm

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Ill be honest, I would have expected IAH first simply because of the Star Hub and nothing else.

DFW has a larger and much faster growing Indian community and the business ties that DFW has with India are growing exponentially. If you spend time in a place like Irving or Plano, its pretty overwhelming. Its not New Jersey or the Silicon Valley, but its about on par with places in the Chicago area.

Houston has Sugar Land, Missouri City, and Stafford which have very large Indian communities and the Westchase area has a ton of Indian businesses, but its got nothing on the suburbs north of Dallas.


Even still wouldn't you expect them to get better feed at IAH? Wasn't there some news of AI exploring a codeshare with UA a month or so back? IIRC, they said they would were looking at a April time frame for something to be put in place? What's happening with that?
 
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Re: AI plans several new long hauls for 2017

Tue May 09, 2017 2:49 pm

If you read between lines by UA apologists, AI is always welcome to place its codes on UA operated flights, but UA will never have a broad code share agreement with AI.

LH and unions are two major culprits.
 
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Re: AI plans several new long hauls for 2017

Tue May 09, 2017 3:50 pm

Does AI have interline ageement with AA? I remember someone posting earlier that AA had terminated the interline agreement with AI. Would be good for onward passengers if AI has interline agreement with AA
 
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Re: AI plans several new long hauls for 2017

Tue May 09, 2017 4:11 pm

LAXdude1023 wrote:
IrishAyes wrote:
aircountry wrote:
Air India to DFW what happen to IAH? Did Air India choose DFW over IAH?


The DFW-India market is growing more quickly than IAH-India, owing largely to the more diversified job market in North Texas vs. Houston. The DFW-India market is also decently top-heavy, not that Houston is not, but Houston is also more sensitive to demand shifts in the oil market.

LAXDude1023 can provide better insight into this.


Ill be honest, I would have expected IAH first simply because of the Star Hub and nothing else.

DFW has a larger and much faster growing Indian community and the business ties that DFW has with India are growing exponentially. If you spend time in a place like Irving or Plano, its pretty overwhelming. Its not New Jersey or the Silicon Valley, but its about on par with places in the Chicago area.

Houston has Sugar Land, Missouri City, and Stafford which have very large Indian communities and the Westchase area has a ton of Indian businesses, but its got nothing on the suburbs north of Dallas.


I completely agree because of the Star Hub connectivity.

I'm intrigued about Dallas having that many more Indians than Houston. It's hard to find numbers on this. This article from 2015 pegs the Houston number at 150,000. http://blogs.economictimes.indiatimes.c ... -in-texas/

2010 Census had the DFW metro at 107,000. Surely they're more comparable than Houston not being close to Dallas?
 
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Re: AI plans several new long hauls for 2017

Tue May 09, 2017 4:23 pm

What I heard from friends is Dallas is a good homestead for traveling IT consultants. They can cover east and west with good air connectivity, enjoy good weather and reasonable housing market.
 
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Re: AI plans several new long hauls for 2017

Tue May 09, 2017 4:42 pm

wilcal wrote:
LAXdude1023 wrote:
IrishAyes wrote:

The DFW-India market is growing more quickly than IAH-India, owing largely to the more diversified job market in North Texas vs. Houston. The DFW-India market is also decently top-heavy, not that Houston is not, but Houston is also more sensitive to demand shifts in the oil market.

LAXDude1023 can provide better insight into this.


Ill be honest, I would have expected IAH first simply because of the Star Hub and nothing else.

DFW has a larger and much faster growing Indian community and the business ties that DFW has with India are growing exponentially. If you spend time in a place like Irving or Plano, its pretty overwhelming. Its not New Jersey or the Silicon Valley, but its about on par with places in the Chicago area.

Houston has Sugar Land, Missouri City, and Stafford which have very large Indian communities and the Westchase area has a ton of Indian businesses, but its got nothing on the suburbs north of Dallas.


I completely agree because of the Star Hub connectivity.

I'm intrigued about Dallas having that many more Indians than Houston. It's hard to find numbers on this. This article from 2015 pegs the Houston number at 150,000. http://blogs.economictimes.indiatimes.c ... -in-texas/

2010 Census had the DFW metro at 107,000. Surely they're more comparable than Houston not being close to Dallas?


The Census numbers from 2015 tell a different story (source American Factfinder (an arm of the census):

DFW number of Indians: 162,098
Houston number of Indians: 124,259

Also, per numbers from DHS, Dallas is gaining quite a few more Indian immigrants.
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Re: AI plans several new long hauls for 2017

Tue May 09, 2017 5:44 pm

LAXdude1023 wrote:
The Census numbers from 2015 tell a different story (source American Factfinder (an arm of the census):

DFW number of Indians: 162,098
Houston number of Indians: 124,259

Also, per numbers from DHS, Dallas is gaining quite a few more Indian immigrants.


LAXdude1023, please post the URLs as well, it would be an invaluable source.
 
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Re: AI plans several new long hauls for 2017

Tue May 09, 2017 5:49 pm

devmapper wrote:
LAXdude1023 wrote:
The Census numbers from 2015 tell a different story (source American Factfinder (an arm of the census):

DFW number of Indians: 162,098
Houston number of Indians: 124,259

Also, per numbers from DHS, Dallas is gaining quite a few more Indian immigrants.


LAXdude1023, please post the URLs as well, it would be an invaluable source.


Here you go! Just hit the "geographies" tab and go crazy.

https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/nav ... ?refresh=t
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Re: AI plans several new long hauls for 2017

Tue May 09, 2017 5:50 pm

wilcal wrote:
I'm intrigued about Dallas having that many more Indians than Houston. It's hard to find numbers on this. This article from 2015 pegs the Houston number at 150,000. http://blogs.economictimes.indiatimes.c ... -in-texas/

2010 Census had the DFW metro at 107,000. Surely they're more comparable than Houston not being close to Dallas?


Dallas has a large number of backoffices for financial services firms, and the services sector is generally diversified. Houston is much more dependent on the oil industry.

Also, Dallas is preferred by people from Austin, which happens to be a significant technology hubs with a growing Indian diaspora.
 
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Tue May 09, 2017 5:51 pm

LAXdude1023 wrote:
Here you go! Just hit the "geographies" tab and go crazy.

https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/nav ... ?refresh=t


Thank you
 
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Re: AI plans several new long hauls for 2017

Tue May 09, 2017 5:53 pm

It is interesting that TLV was included in the announcement because I just read this article from today that they are "reconsidering" TLV because they have been denied overflight permission from Saudia Arabia and other Arab states. This is weird because surely every airline knows that they cannot get overflight rights from Saudia Arabia to TLV and it would have been factored into their decision to launch the route?

Also, story quotes an "Air India official" but the report does not include a quote or byline.

http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-air- ... 1001187941
 
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AI to start DEL-LAX from 1 SEP

Tue May 09, 2017 6:03 pm

LAX seems interesting considering they are just starting DC and all 77Ls are used up. What aircraft, then, will AI use for DEL-LAX?
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Re: AI plans several new long hauls for 2017

Tue May 09, 2017 6:07 pm

devmapper wrote:
wilcal wrote:
I'm intrigued about Dallas having that many more Indians than Houston. It's hard to find numbers on this. This article from 2015 pegs the Houston number at 150,000. http://blogs.economictimes.indiatimes.c ... -in-texas/

2010 Census had the DFW metro at 107,000. Surely they're more comparable than Houston not being close to Dallas?


Dallas has a large number of backoffices for financial services firms, and the services sector is generally diversified. Houston is much more dependent on the oil industry.

Also, Dallas is preferred by people from Austin, which happens to be a significant technology hubs with a growing Indian diaspora.


Dallas doesnt really get a whole bunch of Indians from Austin. Most are from India itself.
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Re: AI to start DEL-LAX from 1 SEP

Tue May 09, 2017 6:15 pm

Irehdna wrote:
LAX seems interesting considering they are just starting DC and all 77Ls are used up. What aircraft, then, will AI use for DEL-LAX?


I am pretty sure DEL-IAD will be on 77W. I think AI is using 2 77Ls for the 6 weekly DEL-SFO flights, that leaves 1 for the DEL-LAX flight. I think at some point AI will be moving DEL-SFO to 77W, possibly in the winter.

While I personally welcome a DEL-LAX flight, it won't succeed until AI gets connecting feed from UA.
 
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Re: AI plans several new long hauls for 2017

Tue May 09, 2017 6:15 pm

American Fact Finder is not the easiest tool to use plus they define metro areas strangely - Example SF and San Jose are two metro statistical areas but for everyone else they are one big metro area. In the end, a DEL-IAH flight would also serve DFW, DAL, AUS, San Antonio etc because AI can put its code and interline with UA. That really makes it worth it. All those Indian professionals in DFW that are flying J are probably all OW and will not give up the EQMs to fly AI. UA's FF program is actually quite generous to AI. Let's see what AI really does. I still don't know what planes can handle these distances and where will AI get them.
 
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Re: AI to start DEL-LAX from 1 SEP

Tue May 09, 2017 6:16 pm

Irehdna wrote:
LAX seems interesting considering they are just starting DC and all 77Ls are used up. What aircraft, then, will AI use for DEL-LAX?

I think the SFO sector would see the 77W 3 or 4 times a week. With reduction in flying time, I think the 77W would be economical on this route. Also the new 77Ws aren't coming until early 2018. AI is already shuffling around the 777s by putting the neos on some of the Middle East routes. They currently have 15 777s and they can easily run 6 daily non stops to the US with those.
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Re: AI plans several new long hauls for 2017

Tue May 09, 2017 6:17 pm

dtw2hyd wrote:
If you read between lines by UA apologists, AI is always welcome to place its codes on UA operated flights, but UA will never have a broad code share agreement with AI.

LH and unions are two major culprits.

What do the UA unions have against AI?
 
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Re: AI plans several new long hauls for 2017

Tue May 09, 2017 6:23 pm

CaliguyNYC wrote:
American Fact Finder is not the easiest tool to use plus they define metro areas strangely - Example SF and San Jose are two metro statistical areas but for everyone else they are one big metro area. In the end, a DEL-IAH flight would also serve DFW, DAL, AUS, San Antonio etc because AI can put its code and interline with UA. That really makes it worth it. All those Indian professionals in DFW that are flying J are probably all OW and will not give up the EQMs to fly AI. UA's FF program is actually quite generous to AI. Let's see what AI really does. I still don't know what planes can handle these distances and where will AI get them.


No, American Factfinder is as official as it gets.

Its a matter of knowing the difference between "Metropolitan Statistical Areas" and "Combined Statistical Areas". San Francisco and San Jose are two separate metropolitan areas, but they are one combined statistical area. Same with DC and Baltimore.

These areas are determined by commuting patters. For a Metropolitan Statistical Area, you need 15-20% commuting patters between counties. For Combined Statistical Areas, you need 5% commuting patters between the counties. You have a lot more people commuting between Dallas and Fort Worth than you do between San Francisco and San Jose. Thats why they are two separate metro areas.
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD BRING BACK THE PAYWALL!!!!
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