Amiga500 wrote:billreid wrote:ROFL. Any upgrades to an older bird that has already been upgraded umpteem times is like comparing my 2008 Volvo to a brand new 2017 Volvo.
Your ironically kinda right.
How long would you have to run a 2017 Volvo before you'd make up the difference in fuel costs that would justify selling your 2008 model and buying a 2017 model? (of roughly equivalent spec)
Yes, a new aircraft (same as the new car) will make improvements in various areas - but they will all be pretty incremental. But will those improvements add up to a greater sum than the extra build/buy cost? That *is* one of the large questions Boeing are wrestling with. I don't envy them.
That is what its about. Envision any airline being visited by sales teams from each manufacturer. They speak to costs and savings. Then they talk about efficiencies and comfort. So Airbus goes in and says, "Well we have upgraded the wing, improved fuel savings and range by 8%. Boarding time will be a bit slow but it's offset by cost savings. You have commonality with the 225 A320's you already own. Etc. Etc." Then Boeing goes in the next day with a new B797 sales pitch. They offer greater capacity at a lower CASM. The bird is quieter, faster boarding saving ground time, the range is 26% better as a small widebody than the A321's with their new wing. Fuel savings is 12% better in the MOM range. You pull out your calculator and figure out it saves your company $775,000 per year in costs and brings in potential for another $2,300,000 per year in increased revenues. That works out to $46,125,000 over fifteen years.
These numbers are fictitious but the reality is the B797 will be specifically targeted to the MOM and that means AB will not have a true product in that range.
Back to the Volvo analogy. You go to the dealership looking for a station wagon needed to suit your business. Your analysis renders that the stationwagon is the superior choice. You go to ford and the choice is a crossover that is too small and a large SUV that doesn't work near as well. So what do you do?
You buy the one that fits the task you have defined best.