I am hearing that AA may end the 77W on MIA - LAX this fall when SYD is downgraded to a 789. Only possibility is this stays if rotates through HKG that would leave the aircraft RON in LAX on the return from HKG.
What do we think?
Would a 772 take over? Switch back to 7am continuing to PVG?
Any chances we would ever see a 32T?

If they stop SYD with the 77W, it may make sense, but remember they still do LHR from LAX.
The 77E on MIA-LAX is for repositioning, maybe?
No A321T. The Transcon product is route specific, designed for LAX/SFO-JFK.

Boeing778X wrote:

If they stop SYD with the 77W, it may make sense, but remember they still do LHR from LAX.
The 77E on MIA-LAX is for repositioning, maybe?
No A321T. The Transcon product is route specific, designed for LAX/SFO-JFK.

The transcon product is route specific and includes upgraded meals, lounge access, etc. It is designated to three routes - the third being MIALAX. Still don't think AA will put an A321 on it, but equipment aside, AA treats MIALAX the same as JFKLAX/SFO.

Boeing778X wrote:

If they stop SYD with the 77W, it may make sense

They've confirmed that this is is the case.

Wouldn't be the end of the world if they replace it with the 772, as they are now refurbished

With the sheer number of widebodies that would be sitting on the ground all day at MIA if they didn't do some domestic flying, I wouldn't be surprised to see a 772 do a MIA-LAX-MIA turn if nothing else. Good utilization, and they wouldn't have a problem filling it up. It definitely would be sad to see no widebodies on MIA-LAX.

rta wrote:

Wouldn't be the end of the world if they replace it with the 772, as they are now refurbished

Although the route would lose 3-class service.

FSDan wrote:

With the sheer number of widebodies that would be sitting on the ground all day at MIA if they didn't do some domestic flying, I wouldn't be surprised to see a 772 do a MIA-LAX-MIA turn if nothing else. Good utilization, and they wouldn't have a problem filling it up. It definitely would be sad to see no widebodies on MIA-LAX.

Especially since there'd be no lie-flat product on a premium transcon route.

As recently as a year or two ago, this route saw a mix of 737s, A321s, 757s, 767s, and 777-200/300s. I hadn't noticed that it's gone down to only A321s on all but one flight.

Yep, mia to lax the route that aa charge a321t lie flat price but actually serve a321b 38 inch recliners.

OB1504 wrote:

Although the route would lose 3-class service.

Not the end of the world. LAXMIA doesn't command nearly the same premium demand and associated yields as LAXJFK or SFOJFK, and the F fares on LAXMIA are at times even lower than the J fares on traditional transcons.

I think AA will use refurbished 772 year round but sub in 77W during important weeks (e.g. NATPE) when there are significant demands for F and overwhelming paid J tickets on LAX-MIA-LAX

winginit wrote:

OB1504 wrote:

Although the route would lose 3-class service.

Not the end of the world. LAXMIA doesn't command nearly the same premium demand and associated yields as LAXJFK or SFOJFK, and the F fares on LAXMIA are at times even lower than the J fares on traditional transcons.

Well when competitors JetBlue delta airlines are adding lie flat seats on trans con routes other than JFK San Francisco LAX and yeah it is kind of a big deal. 772 is fine.

grbauc wrote:

winginit wrote:

OB1504 wrote:

Although the route would lose 3-class service.

Not the end of the world. LAXMIA doesn't command nearly the same premium demand and associated yields as LAXJFK or SFOJFK, and the F fares on LAXMIA are at times even lower than the J fares on traditional transcons.

Well when competitors JetBlue delta airlines are adding lie flat seats on trans con routes other than JFK San Francisco LAX and yeah it is kind of a big deal.

Just because B6 and others are putting lie flats on non-traditional transcons doesn't mean they're commanding viable yields that reward the decision, so no, it's not a big deal, and if it becomes one it will be addressed.

MAH4546 wrote:

Boeing778X wrote:

If they stop SYD with the 77W, it may make sense, but remember they still do LHR from LAX.
The 77E on MIA-LAX is for repositioning, maybe?
No A321T. The Transcon product is route specific, designed for LAX/SFO-JFK.

The transcon product is route specific and includes upgraded meals, lounge access, etc. It is designated to three routes - the third being MIALAX. Still don't think AA will put an A321 on it, but equipment aside, AA treats MIALAX the same as JFKLAX/SFO.

The rules of Admirals Club access is like JFK- LAX / SFO. You have access if confirmed in F/J.

grbauc wrote:

winginit wrote:

OB1504 wrote:

Although the route would lose 3-class service.

Not the end of the world. LAXMIA doesn't command nearly the same premium demand and associated yields as LAXJFK or SFOJFK, and the F fares on LAXMIA are at times even lower than the J fares on traditional transcons.

Well when competitors JetBlue delta airlines are adding lie flat seats on trans con routes other than JFK San Francisco LAX and yeah it is kind of a big deal. 772 is fine.

The two daily B6 Mint flights will take plenty of business from AA if the route goes all 32B.

Jo8338 wrote:

grbauc wrote:

winginit wrote:

Not the end of the world. LAXMIA doesn't command nearly the same premium demand and associated yields as LAXJFK or SFOJFK, and the F fares on LAXMIA are at times even lower than the J fares on traditional transcons.

Well when competitors JetBlue delta airlines are adding lie flat seats on trans con routes other than JFK San Francisco LAX and yeah it is kind of a big deal. 772 is fine.

The two daily B6 Mint flights will take plenty of business from AA if the route goes all 32B.

Has much has Id like AA to make BOS a focus city and have A321T on the route, I for sure think they Need to Protect and run them on MIA routs to be competitive for all the South America routs. Id like CLT also but think MIA is a MUST.

I brought this up when it was announced that AA was dropping the 77W on LAX-SYD.

The optimist in me says they'll keep the 77W on MIA-LAX.

The realist in me says get ready for all 32B on MIA-LAX.

grbauc wrote:

Jo8338 wrote:

grbauc wrote:

Well when competitors JetBlue delta airlines are adding lie flat seats on trans con routes other than JFK San Francisco LAX and yeah it is kind of a big deal. 772 is fine.

The two daily B6 Mint flights will take plenty of business from AA if the route goes all 32B.

Has much has Id like AA to make BOS a focus city and have A321T on the route, I for sure think they Need to Protect and run them on MIA routs to be competitive for all the South America routs. Id like CLT also but think MIA is a MUST.

Especially if B6 adds more FLL/LAX mint flights, which I think will happen. And big if, they get a321NEO/LR and put them on FLL to more premium heavy destination in South America.

Right now, MIA/LAX FC on 32B are going for twice B6 mint price on a lot of dates. I'm sure a lot of those are purchased for connection flights, but I would bet there are a lot of free upgrades there.

tphuang wrote:

Especially if B6 adds more FLL/LAX mint flights, which I think will happen.

Right now, MIA/LAX FC on 32B are going for twice B6 mint price on a lot of dates.

And those F seats on the 32B are horribly uncomfortable, and unbearable for a 5+ hour flight. But, since AA has changed all the other MIA-LAX flights to 32B, it's pretty clear that they are not concerned about providing an "enhanced" seating experience on the route, thus making it more likely that the route will go all 32B / 738 soon.

tphuang wrote:

grbauc wrote:

Jo8338 wrote:

The two daily B6 Mint flights will take plenty of business from AA if the route goes all 32B.

Has much has Id like AA to make BOS a focus city and have A321T on the route, I for sure think they Need to Protect and run them on MIA routs to be competitive for all the South America routs. Id like CLT also but think MIA is a MUST.

Especially if B6 adds more FLL/LAX mint flights, which I think will happen. And big if, they get a321NEO/LR and put them on FLL to more premium heavy destination in South America.

Right now, MIA/LAX FC on 32B are going for twice B6 mint price on a lot of dates. I'm sure a lot of those are purchased for connection flights, but I would bet there are a lot of free upgrades there.

I spoke with some gate agents at both MIA and LAX and the word is that since the 32B entered the route almost no upgrades. Maybe one or two on a Tuesday or Wednesday.

Jo8338 wrote:

I spoke with some gate agents at both MIA and LAX and the word is that since the 32B entered the route almost no upgrades. Maybe one or two on a Tuesday or Wednesday.

Meaning that F is full on the 32B flights with paid passengers?

LAX to SYD on AA is going from a 773 to a 789 later this year, so the need to position a 773 to LAX from MIA goes away.

Guys, this isn't some sort of mystery. I'm amazed no one has thought to check AA's website, they've already loaded the 789 and the 77W hasn't magically vanished. The rumor that MIA-LAX on the 77W will end is exactly that- a rumor, and not one of much substance.

KTPAFlyer wrote:

Guys, this isn't some sort of mystery. I'm amazed no one has thought to check AA's website, they've already loaded the 789 and the 77W hasn't magically vanished. The rumor that MIA-LAX on the 77W will end is exactly that- a rumor, and not one of much substance.

To be fair, the AA Domestic schedule is still the dummy schedule after August 21st-ish. It will be a a few months before we know for sure if the 77W will stay on MIA-LAX when the November schedule is firmed up

tphuang wrote:

grbauc wrote:

Jo8338 wrote:

The two daily B6 Mint flights will take plenty of business from AA if the route goes all 32B.

Has much has Id like AA to make BOS a focus city and have A321T on the route, I for sure think they Need to Protect and run them on MIA routs to be competitive for all the South America routs. Id like CLT also but think MIA is a MUST.

Especially if B6 adds more FLL/LAX mint flights, which I think will happen. And big if, they get a321NEO/LR and put them on FLL to more premium heavy destination in South America.

Right now, MIA/LAX FC on 32B are going for twice B6 mint price on a lot of dates. I'm sure a lot of those are purchased for connection flights, but I would bet there are a lot of free upgrades there.

LOL at "free upgrades" on MIALAX. It's harder to upgrade than JFKLAX. Even the 77W. I used to rely on upgrades and now I just buy F/J. It's impossible.

I've heard rumblings that once AA is done refitting their long-haul 757 fleet that those will appear on MIALAX. They are adding the A321 J seats to 35 757s, far more than needed to operate AA's small 757 long-haul network. As of now 19 at converted.

boberito6589 wrote:

KTPAFlyer wrote:

Guys, this isn't some sort of mystery. I'm amazed no one has thought to check AA's website, they've already loaded the 789 and the 77W hasn't magically vanished. The rumor that MIA-LAX on the 77W will end is exactly that- a rumor, and not one of much substance.

To be fair, the AA Domestic schedule is still the dummy schedule after August 21st-ish. It will be a a few months before we know for sure if the 77W will stay on MIA-LAX when the November schedule is firmed up

Absolutely true. AA international schedules are pretty accurate 4 months out. Domestic, 60 days is about it. Look at DFW-ORD today and then August 15. There will be a big difference. Today is closer to what you will see, but M80s will be replaced.

boberito6589 wrote:

To be fair, the AA Domestic schedule is still the dummy schedule after August 21st-ish. It will be a a few months before we know for sure if the 77W will stay on MIA-LAX when the November schedule is firmed up

Exactly. That's why I never book an AA domestic flight more than 2 months ahead of time.

MAH4546 wrote:

tphuang wrote:

grbauc wrote:

Has much has Id like AA to make BOS a focus city and have A321T on the route, I for sure think they Need to Protect and run them on MIA routs to be competitive for all the South America routs. Id like CLT also but think MIA is a MUST.

Especially if B6 adds more FLL/LAX mint flights, which I think will happen. And big if, they get a321NEO/LR and put them on FLL to more premium heavy destination in South America.

Right now, MIA/LAX FC on 32B are going for twice B6 mint price on a lot of dates. I'm sure a lot of those are purchased for connection flights, but I would bet there are a lot of free upgrades there.

LOL at "free upgrades" on MIALAX. It's harder to upgrade than JFKLAX. Even the 77W. I used to rely on upgrades and now I just buy F/J. It's impossible.

I've heard rumblings that once AA is done refitting their long-haul 757 fleet that those will appear on MIALAX. They are adding the A321 J seats to 35 757s, far more than needed to operate AA's small 757 long-haul network. As of now 19 at converted.

Well, there are plenty of upgrades on JFKLAX routes as long as you don't fly certain points of the week. I just got one last Friday, so I don't buy this impossible stuff for MIALAX. I also don't get the sense it's that impossible looking through ft's AA upgrade thread.

B6 mint just started 2 month ago on this route with only 2 daily flights. Once that builds up more recognition on this route and add frequencies, it could become a problem for AA if AA sticks with 32B. I'd love to see some lie flat seats on non-A321T narrow body aircraft for some of these transcon routes, but it just hasn't happened.

tphuang wrote:

B6 mint just started 2 month ago on this route with only 2 daily flights. Once that builds up more recognition on this route and add frequencies, it could become a problem for AA if AA sticks with 32B. I'd love to see some lie flat seats on non-A321T narrow body aircraft for some of these transcon routes, but it just hasn't happened.

Unless they move some of those international 757s on MIA-LAX. I'd take one of the AA international 757s in F (even with the old "almost flat" seats) over the 32B in F any day.

But if we do end up going 32B and 738s only on MIA-LAX, that will surely put the end to the notion that this is a "premium" route, as has been put forth here for years.

N62NA wrote:

Jo8338 wrote:

I spoke with some gate agents at both MIA and LAX and the word is that since the 32B entered the route almost no upgrades. Maybe one or two on a Tuesday or Wednesday.

Meaning that F is full on the 32B flights with paid passengers?

Correct, all seats full of paid F.

MAH4546 wrote:

tphuang wrote:

grbauc wrote:

Has much has Id like AA to make BOS a focus city and have A321T on the route, I for sure think they Need to Protect and run them on MIA routs to be competitive for all the South America routs. Id like CLT also but think MIA is a MUST.

Especially if B6 adds more FLL/LAX mint flights, which I think will happen. And big if, they get a321NEO/LR and put them on FLL to more premium heavy destination in South America.

Right now, MIA/LAX FC on 32B are going for twice B6 mint price on a lot of dates. I'm sure a lot of those are purchased for connection flights, but I would bet there are a lot of free upgrades there.

LOL at "free upgrades" on MIALAX. It's harder to upgrade than JFKLAX. Even the 77W. I used to rely on upgrades and now I just buy F/J. It's impossible.

I've heard rumblings that once AA is done refitting their long-haul 757 fleet that those will appear on MIALAX.


They are adding the A321 J seats to 35 757s, far more than needed to operate AA's small 757 long-haul network. As of now 19 at converted.

The 75's would make sense since the will be based in MIA until retirement. The only issue is these have no wifi and the retrofit didn't include IFE. They can get around the IFE with the Samsung tablets but the lack of wifi is an issue.

Jo8338 wrote:

The 75's would make sense since the will be based in MIA until retirement.

I didn't know that. Good for us here in MIA.

Jo8338 wrote:

The only issue is these have no wifi and the retrofit didn't include IFE. They can get around the IFE with the Samsung tablets but the lack of wifi is an issue.

Well that's a step backwards from the current international 757 fleet. Currently in F, they have the inflight map available, but if they've taken out the monitors from each F seat, then I guess that means no more flight map.

They could use the 321T on it there is demand but just for 1 flight the 77W should stay with HKG & LHR being 77W out of LAX.....

I'd really not be surprised if the US3 instead of removing complimentary upgrades for FF elites, which would attract a lot of bad PR, simply reconfigure their aircraft to have a number of F/J seats closer to the number that they can actually sell for cash. If upgrades get rarer, some passengers will pay to guarantee a seat and some will accept their lot and sit in economy.

N62NA wrote:

Jo8338 wrote:

The 75's would make sense since the will be based in MIA until retirement.

I didn't know that. Good for us here in MIA.

Jo8338 wrote:

The only issue is these have no wifi and the retrofit didn't include IFE. They can get around the IFE with the Samsung tablets but the lack of wifi is an issue.

Well that's a step backwards from the current international 757 fleet. Currently in F, they have the inflight map available, but if they've taken out the monitors from each F seat, then I guess that means no more flight map.

You are correct. It is a step backwards for the 75's. The remaining birds have plenty of like left. Wifi and IFE would have extended their life 10 years. Some are only 15 -16 yrs old and have low cycles which is mid life for a 757.

Jo8338 wrote:

You are correct. It is a step backwards for the 75's. The remaining birds have plenty of like left. Wifi and IFE would have extended their life 10 years. Some are only 15 -16 yrs old and have low cycles which is mid life for a 757.

Ugh. Well then, I'll just hope they keep the 77W 1x per day on the MIA-LAX route.