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BA LHR Paint Shop

Sun May 21, 2017 12:37 pm

The BA Paint Shop at LHR was closed for maintenance on 15 September 2015. It was reported to be scheduled to reopen early in the following December. To date as far as I know it is still closed or is being used for some other activity.

The BA Source site reports that recently two BA 772s, G-VIIG and 'IJ, were ferried to DUB for repainting by Eirtech. These are the only BA aircraft that I can identify that have been repainted anywhere since September 2015. Moreover one of them, 'IJ, is the first aircraft to be repainted from the Union Flag Crest Pearl White into the Union Flag Crest Bright White livery. This is despite the fact that there are still many BA frames without either version of the Union Flag Crest livery. In total 190 BA and BA CityFlyer aircraft have been painted or decaled with one of the versions of the Crest livery. This includes all sixteen 787s delivered by Boeing since the closure of the paint shop.

Can anyone throw any light on the fate and future of the BA LHR Paint shop? Perhaps other BA aircraft have been recently repainted elsewhere?
 
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Re: BA LHR Paint Shop

Sun May 21, 2017 2:17 pm

Unfortunately BA took the decision to close the paint shop in TBK, and as lots of engineering facilities, is now contracted out.
 
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Re: BA LHR Paint Shop

Sun May 21, 2017 2:56 pm

I believe that a lot of IAG's painting is done in Madrid.
 
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Re: BA LHR Paint Shop

Sun May 21, 2017 3:34 pm

Bang goes any hope of a BA Landor 767 next year.
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Re: BA LHR Paint Shop

Sun May 21, 2017 3:46 pm

Winterlight - please explain the significance. Also a Mardi Gras livery for LHR-New Orleans went south as well, no pun intended.
 
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Re: BA LHR Paint Shop

Sun May 21, 2017 9:08 pm

I think he meant that as BA retire their last 767 next September the chances of a 767 being painted into the Landor livery is minimal without the LHR paint shop.
 
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Re: BA LHR Paint Shop

Mon May 22, 2017 8:07 am

As mentioned, BA chose to close TBK. IAG already use DUB, FCO and MAD for repainting so I guess it wasn't cost effective to have several different paint hangars.

On the subject of repainting, BA will repaint a further 24 aircraft into Union Flag with Crest/White this year (1 A318, 8 A319s, 2 A320s and 13 B772s):

IIC, AES, IIB, ZZB at FCO

ZZA, MMN, MMO, MMP, IIS, IIF, IIV, IIT, IIP, BCD*, UPD*, BCB*, UPA*, UOC, UPH*, UPL, UUA, UPR, UYD, UNA at DUB

*Dove livery

A further 36 will be repainted in 2018 (5 A319s, 7 A320s, 1 A321, 12 B747s and 6 B772s):

UXE, UYB, UUZ, UOI, UUI, UYE, UPU, UYF, UPP, UUD, UUE, UPX, UOB, TOE, IIH, IVL~, IVK~, YGB, YGC, YGE, YGF, IVH, IVI~, IVZ, YGD, IVE, IVN, YGG, IVD, MME, MMF, MMU, MMB, MMT at DUB

~oneworld livery

And a further 22 are planned in 2019, between Jan-Jun, more will follow (6 A319s, 9 A320s, 4 B772s and 2 B773s):

IIN, IIM, IIW, TBJ, TBK, ZZC, UYI, TOB, UOF, UYM, BCH, IDT, BCE, IDX, IDY, BCG, IDS, UPE, IDO, UOE, UUF at DUB
 
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Re: BA LHR Paint Shop

Mon May 22, 2017 11:01 am

BrianDromey wrote:
I believe that a lot of IAG's painting is done in Madrid.


Yes. Between 8 August 2013 and 29 March 2015 I can count as many as 15 single aisle BA Airbus aircraft that were returned to service after being repainted in the Union Flag Bright White Crest livery at MAD. But none since then. This may be because the MAD paint bay has been busy painting the new IB livery onto their own aircraft.

It looks as if 772 G-VIIC is currently in the paint shop at FCO. It arrived there on 19 May. Does anyone know who operates that shop?

Didn't know there was a special Mardi Gras aircraft. Thought that the only current special was 772 G-YMML. It is in the Shanghai Festival of Creativity livery. It returned to service on 27 February 2015 after being repainted in BA's LHR paint shop. Can anyone identify the Mardi Gras aircraft? Likely to be a 787-8 as that is the type that operates BA's MSY new flight.
 
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Re: BA LHR Paint Shop

Mon May 22, 2017 11:51 am

About time the doves were repainted. Several of them have blue engine cowlings. How does the reprinting fit in with the planned reduction of the A319 fleet?
 
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Re: BA LHR Paint Shop

Mon May 22, 2017 2:17 pm

Reprinting!! Damned autocorrect!
 
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Re: BA LHR Paint Shop

Mon May 22, 2017 2:33 pm

My understanding was the Paint Shop needed a lot of work carried out to bring it up to date. When the costs was considered it was cheaper to send the fleet to other companies rather than carry out the work in house.
 
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Re: BA LHR Paint Shop

Mon May 22, 2017 2:48 pm

They must be putting that big space to some use :?:
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Re: BA LHR Paint Shop

Mon May 22, 2017 2:52 pm

I can't to see how fueling a plane, sending it abroad and paying someone else to paint it is cheaper.
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Re: BA LHR Paint Shop

Mon May 22, 2017 3:07 pm

Well of course some of the work is done by Iberia, so then all the money remains within IAG, and certainly in the past planes have flown in service to Madrid with a repainted plane taking over the return journey
 
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Re: BA LHR Paint Shop

Mon May 22, 2017 3:47 pm

TBK isn't closed, it's being used as a maintenance hangar as it's common to see heavies in either bay.
BA also do A380 heavy checks in SIN, not everything is in-house these days.
 
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Re: BA LHR Paint Shop

Mon May 22, 2017 4:01 pm

skipness1E wrote:
TBK isn't closed, it's being used as a maintenance hangar as it's common to see heavies in either bay.
BA also do A380 heavy checks in SIN, not everything is in-house these days.


According to basource The A380 maintenance is now done in MNL.
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Re: BA LHR Paint Shop

Mon May 22, 2017 4:42 pm

winterlight wrote:
Bang goes any hope of a BA Landor 767 next year.


BA don't give two hoots about the 767's, they will quietly disappear with no fanfare.

They are just a Cinderella workhorse in the fleet that gets the job done, and don't do any of the fancy routes.
 
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Re: BA LHR Paint Shop

Mon May 22, 2017 5:29 pm

skipness1E wrote:
TBK isn't closed, it's being used as a maintenance hangar as it's common to see heavies in either bay.
BA also do A380 heavy checks in SIN, not everything is in-house these days.


I am not sure if you are referring to my post? If so TBK was closed as a paint shop on the 7th of April, graphics department also.
It was getting used recently for DD Duct replacement on the triple.
In the future it most probably ( word on the street) will be a replacement for when they hand back the ex BMI hangar at the end of lease.
 
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Re: BA LHR Paint Shop

Mon May 22, 2017 7:36 pm

TCX69K wrote:
As mentioned, BA chose to close TBK. IAG already use DUB, FCO and MAD for repainting so I guess it wasn't cost effective to have several different paint hangars.

On the subject of repainting, BA will repaint a further 24 aircraft into Union Flag with Crest/White this year (1 A318, 8 A319s, 2 A320s and 13 B772s):

IIC, AES, IIB, ZZB at FCO

ZZA, MMN, MMO, MMP, IIS, IIF, IIV, IIT, IIP, BCD*, UPD*, BCB*, UPA*, UOC, UPH*, UPL, UUA, UPR, UYD, UNA at DUB

*Dove livery

A further 36 will be repainted in 2018 (5 A319s, 7 A320s, 1 A321, 12 B747s and 6 B772s):

UXE, UYB, UUZ, UOI, UUI, UYE, UPU, UYF, UPP, UUD, UUE, UPX, UOB, TOE, IIH, IVL~, IVK~, YGB, YGC, YGE, YGF, IVH, IVI~, IVZ, YGD, IVE, IVN, YGG, IVD, MME, MMF, MMU, MMB, MMT at DUB

~oneworld livery

And a further 22 are planned in 2019, between Jan-Jun, more will follow (6 A319s, 9 A320s, 4 B772s and 2 B773s):

IIN, IIM, IIW, TBJ, TBK, ZZC, UYI, TOB, UOF, UYM, BCH, IDT, BCE, IDX, IDY, BCG, IDS, UPE, IDO, UOE, UUF at DUB


Are those all (with the exception of aircraft planned for FCO) to be done at DUB?
 
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Re: BA LHR Paint Shop

Mon May 22, 2017 8:16 pm

Some of the 767s were painted at AMS so it seems BA will use a multitude of paint shops to get things done.
 
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Re: BA LHR Paint Shop

Mon May 22, 2017 8:44 pm

winterlight wrote:
I can't to see how fueling a plane, sending it abroad and paying someone else to paint it is cheaper.

Someone said the hangar needed upgrades to be able to paint. That most likely means it needs a new ventilation system. That could be very expensive. Another factor my be the limit on VOC's that BA facilities at LHR can emit. I know that can be an issue in the US at any city that has a smog problem, like Atlanta. DL paints very few planes in ATL now. We have three paint bays but I think only two are operational for paint. Only one gets used at a time due to the VOC limits we have in Atlanta. Most of our work gets done by contract companies that operate in rural areas, like Greenville, MS.
 
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Re: BA LHR Paint Shop

Mon May 22, 2017 9:38 pm

The Paint Bay needs an upgrade and BA Management are reluctant to pay.

Third party work is probably screwed down in terms of final costs, hence cost effective. No employees with pension payments accruing.

The Mardi Gras scheme went south was an idiom.
 
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Re: BA LHR Paint Shop

Mon May 22, 2017 10:06 pm

Andy33 wrote:
Well of course some of the work is done by Iberia, so then all the money remains within IAG, and certainly in the past planes have flown in service to Madrid with a repainted plane taking over the return journey


I wouldn't be too sure about that. I remember a not so long ago BA Cardiff had to bid for the 787 work. I was just as confused about that as most.
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Re: BA LHR Paint Shop

Mon May 22, 2017 10:18 pm

vv701 wrote:
BrianDromey wrote:
I believe that a lot of IAG's painting is done in Madrid.


Yes. Between 8 August 2013 and 29 March 2015 I can count as many as 15 single aisle BA Airbus aircraft that were returned to service after being repainted in the Union Flag Bright White Crest livery at MAD. But none since then. This may be because the MAD paint bay has been busy painting the new IB livery onto their own aircraft.

It looks as if 772 G-VIIC is currently in the paint shop at FCO. It arrived there on 19 May. Does anyone know who operates that shop?

Didn't know there was a special Mardi Gras aircraft. Thought that the only current special was 772 G-YMML. It is in the Shanghai Festival of Creativity livery. It returned to service on 27 February 2015 after being repainted in BA's LHR paint shop. Can anyone identify the Mardi Gras aircraft? Likely to be a 787-8 as that is the type that operates BA's MSY new flight.


There was never a special Mardi Gras livery, I don't think you got it when 'went south' was quoted!
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Re: BA LHR Paint Shop

Tue May 23, 2017 5:00 am

Who's taking up the BMI hangar? With the Cathedral not going to be around for too long is there any replacement plans?
 
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Re: BA LHR Paint Shop

Tue May 23, 2017 11:01 am

Skip

Do you know when the 'cathedral' hangar is to be demolished?
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Re: BA LHR Paint Shop

Tue May 23, 2017 3:15 pm

skipness1E wrote:
Who's taking up the BMI hangar? With the Cathedral not going to be around for too long is there any replacement plans?


The latest I have heard is that the FSU ( Cathedral) is staying for the time being.
 
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Re: BA LHR Paint Shop

Tue May 23, 2017 3:23 pm

qf789 wrote:
skipness1E wrote:
TBK isn't closed, it's being used as a maintenance hangar as it's common to see heavies in either bay.
BA also do A380 heavy checks in SIN, not everything is in-house these days.


According to basource The A380 maintenance is now done in MNL.


Yes, BA allowed themselves to be overcharged for the work at SIN.
Some of us who have been around long enough are not surprised, I remember years ago a normally mild mannered manager in Engineering saying those who drew up some previous contracts 'ought to have been shot!'

TBK paint bay some of you might remember featured in a BBC doc in 2014, then the guy running it retired, things went downhill, another thing those of us who have been around long enough have seen before too.
At the end of last year BA appointed a new head of Engineering, he started with us as an apprentice, rose up, then left and was running the MRO operation at the Thompson group.
He was brought back clearly to more closely intergrate BA and IB's operations.

(As an aside, on 24th June last year, I told younger staffers to either learn Spanish or start looking at maybe having to move to Ireland, better yet, do both).
 
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Re: BA LHR Paint Shop

Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:08 pm

Seems G-RAES and G-VIIC have been painted in Rome recently too according to the BA Source.

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