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Delta's 767-200 Fleet, why was it retired?

Wed May 24, 2017 9:05 pm

Hello all, I was curious as to why Delta retired their 767-200 fleet? Were they to old? To costly to maintain and upgrade like the 757-200 and 767-300 fleet?
 
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Re: Delta's 767-200 Fleet, why was it retired?

Thu May 25, 2017 12:49 am

The 762 has nearly the same trip cost as the 763, while carrying a good bit less payload.
 
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Re: Delta's 767-200 Fleet, why was it retired?

Thu May 25, 2017 1:10 am

Was Delta the launch customer for the 767-200?
 
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Re: Delta's 767-200 Fleet, why was it retired?

Thu May 25, 2017 1:12 am

Cointrin330 wrote:
Was Delta the launch customer for the 767-200?

No, they were not the launch customer. United was. They were an early customer for the type, though.
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Re: Delta's 767-200 Fleet, why was it retired?

Thu May 25, 2017 1:36 am

I used to fly often from EWR to IAH on CO 762 in the mid 2000s. I loved the aircraft but remember that they didnt carry a lot of passengers. I believe the 757s had more seats.
 
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Re: Delta's 767-200 Fleet, why was it retired?

Thu May 25, 2017 1:43 am

717atOGG wrote:
Cointrin330 wrote:
Was Delta the launch customer for the 767-200?

No, they were not the launch customer. United was. They were an early customer for the type, though.


They were the launch customer for the GE powered 767. N101DA was the flight test aircraft for Boeing. N102DA was the first delivered to the airline and became "the Spirit of Delta."
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Re: Delta's 767-200 Fleet, why was it retired?

Thu May 25, 2017 1:45 am

TNST3B wrote:
The 762 has nearly the same trip cost as the 763, while carrying a good bit less payload.


This. Though the Spirit of Delta 767-200 will live on forever at the Delta flight museum.
 
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Re: Delta's 767-200 Fleet, why was it retired?

Thu May 25, 2017 1:56 am

ChrisFallon77 wrote:
I used to fly often from EWR to IAH on CO 762 in the mid 2000s. I loved the aircraft but remember that they didnt carry a lot of passengers. I believe the 757s had more seats.


757-300 has common pilot type rating, similar number of seats & burns a lot less fuel. Delta got 16 757-300 in the NW purchase & they had 14 767-200 at the time. So it was easy to swap them if they wanted the same seating on a route, but the shuffled the fleet around instead.
 
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Re: Delta's 767-200 Fleet, why was it retired?

Thu May 25, 2017 2:14 am

rbavfan wrote:
ChrisFallon77 wrote:
I used to fly often from EWR to IAH on CO 762 in the mid 2000s. I loved the aircraft but remember that they didnt carry a lot of passengers. I believe the 757s had more seats.


757-300 has common pilot type rating, similar number of seats & burns a lot less fuel. Delta got 16 757-300 in the NW purchase & they had 14 767-200 at the time. So it was easy to swap them if they wanted the same seating on a route, but the shuffled the fleet around instead.



I think DL flew the last 762 flight in 2006 or so. Merger didn't happen until the end of 2009.
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Re: Delta's 767-200 Fleet, why was it retired?

Thu May 25, 2017 10:51 am

rbavfan wrote:
ChrisFallon77 wrote:
I used to fly often from EWR to IAH on CO 762 in the mid 2000s. I loved the aircraft but remember that they didnt carry a lot of passengers. I believe the 757s had more seats.


757-300 has common pilot type rating, similar number of seats & burns a lot less fuel. Delta got 16 757-300 in the NW purchase & they had 14 767-200 at the time. So it was easy to swap them if they wanted the same seating on a route, but the shuffled the fleet around instead.


Actually, the 757-300 is quite a bit bigger seating-wise than the 762, at least in current configs. Max pax capacity is 289 for the 762 vs 295 for the 753 in high density.
To put things in perspective, at CO at least, the 762 sat *I think?* 3 pax more than the 757-200, and operationally cost just as much as 763. The 753 is even bigger PLUS cheaper.
...But the merger and the acquisition of NW 753s happened later.. after the demise of the 762 fleet.
But, yes, I know, the 762 was a lovely airplane.... sweet...
 
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Re: Delta's 767-200 Fleet, why was it retired?

Thu May 25, 2017 11:34 am

The original idea of the 75/767 was to provide airlines with "cockpit commonality" so pilots could fly the 75/753/762/763 interchangeable, according to mission requirements. Only after this industry leading initiative, that we now have "aircraft families" A319/320/321/332/333 or CRJ7/9/1000 EMB135/140/145 etc.....
 
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Re: Delta's 767-200 Fleet, why was it retired?

Thu May 25, 2017 1:13 pm

If I remember correctly the seating for the 762 vs 757 -200 & 300 were as stated below.

sCO 767-200: 174 pax
sCO 757-200: 176
sCO 757-300: 199 pax
 
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Re: Delta's 767-200 Fleet, why was it retired?

Thu May 25, 2017 2:12 pm

gsg013 wrote:
If I remember correctly the seating for the 762 vs 757 -200 & 300 were as stated below.

sCO 767-200: 174 pax
sCO 757-200: 176


..or perhaps vice versa?
 
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Re: Delta's 767-200 Fleet, why was it retired?

Thu May 25, 2017 2:20 pm

oldannyboy wrote:
gsg013 wrote:
If I remember correctly the seating for the 762 vs 757 -200 & 300 were as stated below.

sCO 767-200: 174 pax
sCO 757-200: 176


..or perhaps vice versa?

Nope, the 752 sat slightly more people than the 762 in CO's configuration. CO's 762s were fairly premium heavy for its size, hence the lower number of seats.
 
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Re: Delta's 767-200 Fleet, why was it retired?

Thu May 25, 2017 2:32 pm

Polot wrote:
oldannyboy wrote:


..or perhaps vice versa?

Nope, the 752 sat slightly more people than the 762 in CO's configuration. CO's 762s were fairly premium heavy for its size, hence the lower number of seats.


Yes, indeed, you are both right - I have checked an old paper timetable! :-) Ahh, the memories...
 
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Re: Delta's 767-200 Fleet, why was it retired?

Thu May 25, 2017 3:09 pm

The 767-200ER vs 767-300ER vs 757-200 vs 757-300

767-200ER: MTOW of 395,000 lb / 179,169 kg
767-300ER: MTOW of 412,000 lb / 186,880 kg
757-200: MTOW 255,000 lb / 115,660 kg
757-300: MTOW 273,000 lb / 123,830 kg

As you can see in most configurations DL & UA the 767-300ER accommodates ~30-40 more pax over the 200ER and the MTOW is only marginally more.
The 757 seated more passengers at a much lower MTOW.
 
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Re: Delta's 767-200 Fleet, why was it retired?

Thu May 25, 2017 6:04 pm

Polot wrote:
oldannyboy wrote:


..or perhaps vice versa?

Nope, the 752 sat slightly more people than the 762 in CO's configuration. CO's 762s were fairly premium heavy for its size, hence the lower number of seats.

You are correct on the CO configuration, but back in the "older" days it was a tad different with DL. In the old configuration DL's 762's held 204 (18F 186E) vs 187 (16F 171E) for the 2 class 752's, and DL never operated the heavier 762ER only the basic 762 which was quite a bit lighter at MGTW. So the weight difference between the 2 weight wise was not as much vs the 762ER, you had more fuel burn but had more passengers and more cargo carrying capability in DL's old configuration on the 762 vs the 752 !
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Re: Delta's 767-200 Fleet, why was it retired?

Thu May 25, 2017 9:34 pm

rbavfan wrote:
ChrisFallon77 wrote:
I used to fly often from EWR to IAH on CO 762 in the mid 2000s. I loved the aircraft but remember that they didnt carry a lot of passengers. I believe the 757s had more seats.


757-300 has common pilot type rating, similar number of seats & burns a lot less fuel. Delta got 16 757-300 in the NW purchase & they had 14 767-200 at the time. So it was easy to swap them if they wanted the same seating on a route, but the shuffled the fleet around instead.

The 762's were long gone by the time the merger took place. The merger was 2008, he 762s were gone by early to 05
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Re: Delta's 767-200 Fleet, why was it retired?

Thu May 25, 2017 10:28 pm

jetjack74 wrote:
The 762's were long gone by the time the merger took place. The merger was 2008, he 762s were gone by early to 05

I flew the 762 ATL-SLC and ONT-ATL in Feb and Mar of '05...they were retired around May-June.
 
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Re: Delta's 767-200 Fleet, why was it retired?

Fri May 26, 2017 12:29 am

N126DL wrote:
rbavfan wrote:
ChrisFallon77 wrote:
I used to fly often from EWR to IAH on CO 762 in the mid 2000s. I loved the aircraft but remember that they didnt carry a lot of passengers. I believe the 757s had more seats.


757-300 has common pilot type rating, similar number of seats & burns a lot less fuel. Delta got 16 757-300 in the NW purchase & they had 14 767-200 at the time. So it was easy to swap them if they wanted the same seating on a route, but the shuffled the fleet around instead.



I think DL flew the last 762 flight in 2006 or so. Merger didn't happen until the end of 2009.


I don't remember when the 762's went.
 
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Re: Delta's 767-200 Fleet, why was it retired?

Fri May 26, 2017 12:34 am

oldannyboy wrote:
rbavfan wrote:
ChrisFallon77 wrote:
I used to fly often from EWR to IAH on CO 762 in the mid 2000s. I loved the aircraft but remember that they didnt carry a lot of passengers. I believe the 757s had more seats.


757-300 has common pilot type rating, similar number of seats & burns a lot less fuel. Delta got 16 757-300 in the NW purchase & they had 14 767-200 at the time. So it was easy to swap them if they wanted the same seating on a route, but the shuffled the fleet around instead.


Actually, the 757-300 is quite a bit bigger seating-wise than the 762, at least in current configs. Max pax capacity is 289 for the 762 vs 295 for the 753 in high density.
To put things in perspective, at CO at least, the 762 sat *I think?* 3 pax more than the 757-200, and operationally cost just as much as 763. The 753 is even bigger PLUS cheaper.
...But the merger and the acquisition of NW 753s happened later.. after the demise of the 762 fleet.
But, yes, I know, the 762 was a lovely airplane.... sweet...


Boeing list 295 for 757-300 & 290 for 767-200 5 seat defference is an insignificant number at that size and I said similar number of seats, not greater number. and yes I miss the old 762.
 
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Re: Delta's 767-200 Fleet, why was it retired?

Fri May 26, 2017 1:28 am

AWACSooner wrote:
jetjack74 wrote:
The 762's were long gone by the time the merger took place. The merger was 2008, he 762s were gone by early to 05

I flew the 762 ATL-SLC and ONT-ATL in Feb and Mar of '05...they were retired around May-June.



Just a little bit after May-June. I was in ATL in July and September of 2005 and they were still around. In July I missed my connection FLL-ATL-ONT and waited for my uncle to Captain the ONT-ATL red eye using N103DA. In September of 2005 N102DA pulled up to the gate next to mine doing an ATL-LAS run.

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Re: Delta's 767-200 Fleet, why was it retired?

Fri May 26, 2017 5:59 am

AWACSooner wrote:
jetjack74 wrote:
The 762's were long gone by the time the merger took place. The merger was 2008, he 762s were gone by early to 05
I flew the 762 ATL-SLC and ONT-ATL in Feb and Mar of '05...they were retired around May-June.

rbavfan wrote:
N126DL wrote:
rbavfan wrote:
757-300 has common pilot type rating, similar number of seats & burns a lot less fuel. Delta got 16 757-300 in the NW purchase & they had 14 767-200 at the time. So it was easy to swap them if they wanted the same seating on a route, but the shuffled the fleet around instead.

I think DL flew the last 762 flight in 2006 or so. Merger didn't happen until the end of 2009.

I don't remember when the 762's went.

Delta's last scheduled 762A service was completed February 12, 2006

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Re: Delta's 767-200 Fleet, why was it retired?

Fri May 26, 2017 9:09 am

Damn, I could've swore the pilot on the ONT-ATL flight told me the planes were going to be retired in a few months from that point...maybe he meant THAT plane (N103DL)?
I miss seeing the 762's...I always liked them over any other 76 variant
 
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Re: Delta's 767-200 Fleet, why was it retired?

Fri May 26, 2017 1:27 pm

AWACSooner wrote:
Damn, I could've swore the pilot on the ONT-ATL flight told me the planes were going to be retired in a few months from that point...maybe he meant THAT plane (N103DL)?
I miss seeing the 762's...I always liked them over any other 76 variant


FYI, N103DL is the one that almost went into the Pacific on takeoff from LAX back in the early days. Fuel feed had two large toggle switches mounted on the back of the center pedestal. By mistake, the PF reached back and inadvertently cut off the fuel flow. Could have been Surfing USA.

A protective semi-cover was later added to make the fuel toggles less exposed.

I always liked the -200 as well, and with the lower weights, takeoff was pretty zippy. In the early 2000s several of them were painted in the Deltaflot 'beach towel' colors and looked great.
 
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Re: Delta's 767-200 Fleet, why was it retired?

Fri May 26, 2017 2:13 pm

CF-CPI wrote:
I always liked the -200 as well, and with the lower weights, takeoff was pretty zippy. In the early 2000s several of them were painted in the Deltaflot 'beach towel' colors and looked great.

I know I'm in the minority but I liked the Deltaflot cs...much better than the current one or the Ron Allen one...but of course, the widget was the best of all.
 
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Re: Delta's 767-200 Fleet, why was it retired?

Fri May 26, 2017 9:20 pm

CF-CPI wrote:
AWACSooner wrote:
Damn, I could've swore the pilot on the ONT-ATL flight told me the planes were going to be retired in a few months from that point...maybe he meant THAT plane (N103DL)?
I miss seeing the 762's...I always liked them over any other 76 variant


FYI, N103DL is the one that almost went into the Pacific on takeoff from LAX back in the early days. Fuel feed had two large toggle switches mounted on the back of the center pedestal. By mistake, the PF reached back and inadvertently cut off the fuel flow. Could have been Surfing USA.

A protective semi-cover was later added to make the fuel toggles less exposed.

I always liked the -200 as well, and with the lower weights, takeoff was pretty zippy. In the early 2000s several of them were painted in the Deltaflot 'beach towel' colors and looked great.


Not to be too picky but it is actually N103DA not DL, I'm pretty sure all of the -232's ended in DA. I do agree though, I absolutely love the profile of the 762 on take off and other than the widget scheme I felt that the Deltaflot colors actually suited the -232's quite well.
 
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Re: Delta's 767-200 Fleet, why was it retired?

Fri May 26, 2017 10:56 pm

I flew on the DL 762's quite a bit, on some seriously short runs like SLC-LAS-SLC, and SLC-DEN-ATL once. I miss seeing the -200's in SLC, they were my fave variant.

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