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DL- service to EYW Key West

Thu May 25, 2017 3:26 pm

DL fly's a few times daily ATL-EYW i know one flight is on the CJR-700 and the 737-700.

Has anyone flown this route? Do they block seats or have any restrictions?

I am flying the route tomorrow, and I did get an e-mail from DL saying that we are only allowed 1 checked bag per passenger.
 
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Re: DL- service to EYW Key West

Thu May 25, 2017 3:51 pm

The CRJ-700 usually doesn't have to block seats.

The 737 occasionally does based on wind/en-route weather/potential hold in ATL/contaminated runway in EYW
 
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Re: DL- service to EYW Key West

Thu May 25, 2017 3:51 pm

Can EYW handle jets? that terminal when I was there in the 90's was so small it could barely handle 2 SF-3's at a time. With the current TSA footprint the gate area has to be shrunk by half or more. You literally walked into the terminal and smack dab into the gift shop& restaurant pre security.
 
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Re: DL- service to EYW Key West

Thu May 25, 2017 3:56 pm

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Can EYW handle jets?


AA and DL each fly multiple jets (up to a 737-700) into EYW every day of the year.
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Re: DL- service to EYW Key West

Thu May 25, 2017 4:05 pm

gsg013 wrote:
DL fly's a few times daily ATL-EYW i know one flight is on the CJR-700 and the 737-700.

Has anyone flown this route? Do they block seats or have any restrictions?

I am flying the route tomorrow, and I did get an e-mail from DL saying that we are only allowed 1 checked bag per passenger.


I flew this route about a year ago on the 737-700. To my knowledge it did not look like they blocked any seats. I remember the pilot beginning to apply thrust as we were turning onto the runway and it was definitely the most intense takeoff I have ever experienced. (SNA included). The one interesting thing I learned was that EYW is the only Delta station where passengers are restricted to only checking one bag and carrying on one bag.
 
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Re: DL- service to EYW Key West

Thu May 25, 2017 4:10 pm

If you fly VS into ATL and connect on DL to EYW you are restricted to one hold bag as part of the ticket t&cs, even if you're eligible on the VS segment to two or more ...
 
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Re: DL- service to EYW Key West

Thu May 25, 2017 4:10 pm

I was there 3 weeks ago and through out the day DL had numerous 737-700's, American numerous E-175's and had Silver numerous Saab 340's

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Re: DL- service to EYW Key West

Thu May 25, 2017 4:22 pm

DTWLUVER wrote:
Can EYW handle jets? that terminal when I was there in the 90's was so small it could barely handle 2 SF-3's at a time. With the current TSA footprint the gate area has to be shrunk by half or more. You literally walked into the terminal and smack dab into the gift shop& restaurant pre security.

They built a new and expanded terminal in front of the old one. So there is a larger foot print for TSA check-in etc.. now.
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Re: DL- service to EYW Key West

Thu May 25, 2017 4:26 pm

Awesome I will report back my experience after the weekend. I am on the CRJ-700 tomorrow night on the way in and the 737-700 Monday on the flight home.
 
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Re: DL- service to EYW Key West

Thu May 25, 2017 4:45 pm

gsg013 wrote:
DL fly's a few times daily ATL-EYW i know one flight is on the CJR-700 and the 737-700.
Has anyone flown this route? Do they block seats or have any restrictions?
I am flying the route tomorrow, and I did get an e-mail from DL saying that we are only allowed 1 checked bag per passenger.


EYW takeoffs are weight restricted - it has en extremely short runway - and airlines allow only one checked bag. I believe that applies not only to coach, but first class passengers as well.
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Re: DL- service to EYW Key West

Thu May 25, 2017 6:06 pm

I worked for Delta in EYW for a couple years. The 73W rarely takes a penalty, but the CR7 will at times for a myriad of reasons. The one bag rule is a strict rule, though. No exceptions.
 
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Re: DL- service to EYW Key West

Thu May 25, 2017 6:30 pm

gsg013 wrote:
I am flying the route tomorrow, and I did get an e-mail from DL saying that we are only allowed 1 checked bag per passenger.


One checked bag!!!!! Leaping Anaconda's, just exactly how many tee shirts, shorts and flip-flops do you think you are going to need for a 3 day weekend? :roll:

Enjoy your trip, watch out for the Duval Crawl.

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Re: DL- service to EYW Key West

Thu May 25, 2017 7:44 pm

Okie wrote:
gsg013 wrote:
I am flying the route tomorrow, and I did get an e-mail from DL saying that we are only allowed 1 checked bag per passenger.


One checked bag!!!!! Leaping Anaconda's, just exactly how many tee shirts, shorts and flip-flops do you think you are going to need for a 3 day weekend? :roll:

Enjoy your trip, watch out for the Duval Crawl.

Okie


What a horrible hardship being limited to one bag. :) I use only one checked bag on a three week overseas trip.

I assume the 737-700s do the full static runup prior to brake release at EYW?
 
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Re: DL- service to EYW Key West

Thu May 25, 2017 8:00 pm

jfern - I was a station manager & supervisor there many moons ago - prior to the new terminal being built.

Delta is the only one to enforce the 1 bag rule. AA/US never had this restriction. the E170s typically are the only planes NOT restricted out of EYW, even with a wet runway. The restrictions are worse if the 737 has to take off to the west - due to an obstacle (bunker in the salt ponds just north of the field).

Beech 1900s didn't have a problem in and out of there.... but the Brasilias, Saabs, and ERJ 135s took a bit of a hit. The CRJ 200s and EMB 145s were about an 8 seat block. CRJ 700s I think had a 4-6 seat payload hit, depending on the number of bags.
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Re: DL- service to EYW Key West

Thu May 25, 2017 8:03 pm

carry on flier only my one carry on plus my rolling briefcase and airport meals and snacks in other two to three plastic bags .
 
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Re: DL- service to EYW Key West

Thu May 25, 2017 9:37 pm

So if a passenger does have two bags that need to be checked in is the second bag given to a delivery service and driven to EYW and/or ATL?
 
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Re: DL- service to EYW Key West

Thu May 25, 2017 9:51 pm

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dfwjim1 wrote:
So if a passenger does have two bags that need to be checked in is the second bag given to a delivery service and driven to EYW and/or ATL?

Odds are the second bag is denied and it's up to the passenger to get it to Key West if they really want it there.
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Re: DL- service to EYW Key West

Thu May 25, 2017 10:12 pm

gsg013 wrote:
DL fly's a few times daily ATL-EYW i know one flight is on the CJR-700 and the 737-700.

Has anyone flown this route? Do they block seats or have any restrictions?

I am flying the route tomorrow, and I did get an e-mail from DL saying that we are only allowed 1 checked bag per passenger.


No seat caps or restrictions on the B737, but there are strict destination weather requirements for EYW. 99.9% there is no issue.
 
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Re: DL- service to EYW Key West

Fri May 26, 2017 12:18 am

DTWLUVER wrote:
Can EYW handle jets? that terminal when I was there in the 90's was so small it could barely handle 2 SF-3's at a time. With the current TSA footprint the gate area has to be shrunk by half or more. You literally walked into the terminal and smack dab into the gift shop& restaurant pre security.


IIRC Air Florida (1971-1984) flew either the 737-200 and/or DC9-10 into EYW.

Has Delta flown the 717 into EYW?
 
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Re: DL- service to EYW Key West

Fri May 26, 2017 1:09 am

Adispatcher wrote:
gsg013 wrote:
DL fly's a few times daily ATL-EYW i know one flight is on the CJR-700 and the 737-700.

Has anyone flown this route? Do they block seats or have any restrictions?

I am flying the route tomorrow, and I did get an e-mail from DL saying that we are only allowed 1 checked bag per passenger.


No seat caps or restrictions on the B737, but there are strict destination weather requirements for EYW. 99.9% there is no issue.


What is the alternate for EYW? MIA? Isn't there a Navy base with a long runway very close?
 
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Re: DL- service to EYW Key West

Fri May 26, 2017 1:26 am

If I lived there, the 1 checked bag would be a real inconvenience. But I imagine most travel is D vs. O (destination). From what I read even Medallion privileges are over-ruled by this baggage provision.
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Re: DL- service to EYW Key West

Fri May 26, 2017 1:30 am

Last time I went, the Martin 404 inbound and the YS11 outbound had no bag limit.
 
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Re: DL- service to EYW Key West

Fri May 26, 2017 1:46 am

I have flown the 737-700 into EYW about 7 times now and I have never seen any weight restriction (besides the bag thing). There are several operational procedures unique to Key West. It's a Captain only takeoff and landing, mandatory standing take-off (holding brakes), mandatory touch down point, and various alternate restrictions. Sometimes a flaps 25 takeoff is required (which is very rare), but I personally have never seen anything out of the ordinary on the 737-700.
 
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Re: DL- service to EYW Key West

Fri May 26, 2017 3:44 am

BoeingGuy wrote:
Adispatcher wrote:
gsg013 wrote:
DL fly's a few times daily ATL-EYW i know one flight is on the CJR-700 and the 737-700.

Has anyone flown this route? Do they block seats or have any restrictions?

I am flying the route tomorrow, and I did get an e-mail from DL saying that we are only allowed 1 checked bag per passenger.


No seat caps or restrictions on the B737, but there are strict destination weather requirements for EYW. 99.9% there is no issue.


What is the alternate for EYW? MIA? Isn't there a Navy base with a long runway very close?


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Re: DL- service to EYW Key West

Fri May 26, 2017 4:05 am

afcjets wrote:
DTWLUVER wrote:
Can EYW handle jets? that terminal when I was there in the 90's was so small it could barely handle 2 SF-3's at a time. With the current TSA footprint the gate area has to be shrunk by half or more. You literally walked into the terminal and smack dab into the gift shop& restaurant pre security.


IIRC Air Florida (1971-1984) flew either the 737-200 and/or DC9-10 into EYW.

Has Delta flown the 717 into EYW?


Correct.

Air Florida operated the B737-200 into EYW in the late 70s, Eastern up till the late 80s with 727s (-200 if I'm remembering correctly), I believe I remember reading somewhere the flight number on EA was 464?

Piedmont also used to operate from MIA-EYW with the F28s.
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Fri May 26, 2017 4:13 am

Okie wrote:
gsg013 wrote:
I am flying the route tomorrow, and I did get an e-mail from DL saying that we are only allowed 1 checked bag per passenger.


One checked bag!!!!! Leaping Anaconda's, just exactly how many tee shirts, shorts and flip-flops do you think you are going to need for a 3 day weekend? :roll:

Enjoy your trip, watch out for the Duval Crawl.

Okie

If you step on a pop top you might need a second pair of fip flops. When my family lived there in the 90s I don't think my mom wore anything but Birkenstock s ever.

We were under the landing path. The turbo props overhead were hardly a nuisance. The private jets were loud as heck though. Is there a noise restriction for commercial jets? CatIII or better?
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Re: DL- service to EYW Key West

Fri May 26, 2017 11:54 am

DTWLUVER wrote:
Can EYW handle jets? that terminal when I was there in the 90's was so small it could barely handle 2 SF-3's at a time. With the current TSA footprint the gate area has to be shrunk by half or more. You literally walked into the terminal and smack dab into the gift shop& restaurant pre security.


They can, EYW has the shortest runway in North America or maybe the world to have scheduled 737 service.
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Re: DL- service to EYW Key West

Fri May 26, 2017 12:48 pm

afcjets wrote:
DTWLUVER wrote:
Can EYW handle jets? that terminal when I was there in the 90's was so small it could barely handle 2 SF-3's at a time. With the current TSA footprint the gate area has to be shrunk by half or more. You literally walked into the terminal and smack dab into the gift shop& restaurant pre security.


IIRC Air Florida (1971-1984) flew either the 737-200 and/or DC9-10 into EYW.

Has Delta flown the 717 into EYW?

No,just 737-700 and A19's .
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Re: DL- service to EYW Key West

Fri May 26, 2017 12:49 pm

Assuming DL transitions flights to CS100, what other destinations would DL consider from EYW?
 
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Re: DL- service to EYW Key West

Fri May 26, 2017 1:06 pm

yyztpa wrote:
Assuming DL transitions flights to CS100, what other destinations would DL consider from EYW?

Maybe one day they will restart LGA, but other than that I wouldn't expect any other destinations from EYW.
 
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Re: DL- service to EYW Key West

Fri May 26, 2017 1:08 pm

BoeingGuy wrote:
Adispatcher wrote:
gsg013 wrote:
DL fly's a few times daily ATL-EYW i know one flight is on the CJR-700 and the 737-700.

Has anyone flown this route? Do they block seats or have any restrictions?

I am flying the route tomorrow, and I did get an e-mail from DL saying that we are only allowed 1 checked bag per passenger.


No seat caps or restrictions on the B737, but there are strict destination weather requirements for EYW. 99.9% there is no issue.


What is the alternate for EYW? MIA? Isn't there a Navy base with a long runway very close?


Generally, MIA. NAS Key West is next door and will take a diversion if it is an emergency.
 
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Re: DL- service to EYW Key West

Fri May 26, 2017 1:28 pm

I hope one day DL starts up the LGA-EYW route again. would make for a nice quick hop to key west rather than having to connect in ATL or fly private. I know you can connect in south Florida but silver airways is a pain in the butt any you have to recheck bags and take the puddle jumper which I do not find very comfortable.
 
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Re: DL- service to EYW Key West

Fri May 26, 2017 2:06 pm

SyracuseAvGeek wrote:
DTWLUVER wrote:
Can EYW handle jets? that terminal when I was there in the 90's was so small it could barely handle 2 SF-3's at a time. With the current TSA footprint the gate area has to be shrunk by half or more. You literally walked into the terminal and smack dab into the gift shop& restaurant pre security.


They can, EYW has the shortest runway in North America or maybe the world to have scheduled 737 service.


SDU in Rio is 500 ft shorter and they fly 738's into it.
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Re: DL- service to EYW Key West

Fri May 26, 2017 2:12 pm

MesaFlyGuy wrote:
Odds are the second bag is denied and it's up to the passenger to get it to Key West if they really want it there.

Buy another seat. That would be a very expensive baggage charge LOL
B4REAL wrote:
If I lived there, the 1 checked bag would be a real inconvenience. But I imagine most travel is D vs. O (destination). From what I read even Medallion privileges are over-ruled by this baggage provision.

Or fly another airline. As stated above, only DL has this strict policy.
 
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Re: DL- service to EYW Key West

Fri May 26, 2017 2:16 pm

National was first to fly jets (727-100) into Key West in 1968 when the Electra was retired. That's almost 50 years ago! Eastern also ran 727-100s a few years. Both airlines only went to MIA so performance was not an issue.
 
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Re: DL- service to EYW Key West

Fri May 26, 2017 6:59 pm

Okay gotcha Thought that field was too short .. I guessed wrong thank you for letting me know everyone.
 
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Re: DL- service to EYW Key West

Fri May 26, 2017 7:03 pm

yv773p wrote:
SyracuseAvGeek wrote:
DTWLUVER wrote:
Can EYW handle jets? that terminal when I was there in the 90's was so small it could barely handle 2 SF-3's at a time. With the current TSA footprint the gate area has to be shrunk by half or more. You literally walked into the terminal and smack dab into the gift shop& restaurant pre security.


They can, EYW has the shortest runway in North America or maybe the world to have scheduled 737 service.


SDU in Rio is 500 ft shorter and they fly 738's into it.


Oh, ok. I guess it only is for North America.
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Re: DL- service to EYW Key West

Fri May 26, 2017 8:31 pm

airbazar wrote:
MesaFlyGuy wrote:
Odds are the second bag is denied and it's up to the passenger to get it to Key West if they really want it there.

Buy another seat. That would be a very expensive baggage charge LOL
B4REAL wrote:
If I lived there, the 1 checked bag would be a real inconvenience. But I imagine most travel is D vs. O (destination). From what I read even Medallion privileges are over-ruled by this baggage provision.

Or fly another airline. As stated above, only DL has this strict policy.


Well only Delta puts mainline jets into EYW.
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Fri May 26, 2017 8:38 pm

United_fan wrote:
airbazar wrote:
MesaFlyGuy wrote:
Odds are the second bag is denied and it's up to the passenger to get it to Key West if they really want it there.

Buy another seat. That would be a very expensive baggage charge LOL
B4REAL wrote:
If I lived there, the 1 checked bag would be a real inconvenience. But I imagine most travel is D vs. O (destination). From what I read even Medallion privileges are over-ruled by this baggage provision.

Or fly another airline. As stated above, only DL has this strict policy.


Well only Delta puts mainline jets into EYW.

DL also uses CRJ700s. EYW is not mainline only year round.
 
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Re: DL- service to EYW Key West

Fri May 26, 2017 8:40 pm

I'm surprised that WN still allowed 2 free bags for everyone during their time in EYW.

Still disappointed that they left, flying in there on WN was such a cool experience.
 
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Fri May 26, 2017 9:17 pm

I wouldn't compare Brazil's lax standards to link SDU with EYW. Gol takes the risk of putting a 737 in the water if there is an engine out on takeoff.. the FAA will never let that be put into the captain or airlines' hands. FAA mandates full paperwork in certain scenarios be in line or its a no-go.

Ive flown in & out of SDU and even spoke to the crew... was an amazing feat
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Re: DL- service to EYW Key West

Fri May 26, 2017 9:21 pm

What is the alternate for EYW? MIA? Isn't there a Navy base with a long runway very close?


The closest civilian airport to EYW perhaps is the Florida Keys Marathon Airport (MTH/KMTH) on Marathon Key, but it is currently a GA airport with a runway only 200' longer than EYW's, although there was commercial service there up until 2009. The US Navy base is Naval Air Station Key West (NQX/KNQX), but I wouldn't feel right about landing there unless I had declared a Mayday first!
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Re: DL- service to EYW Key West

Fri May 26, 2017 9:47 pm

One checked bag can be tough if you are connecting International in ATL.
Especially for EYW originating passengers who might be returning home from a long overseas trip.
 
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Re: DL- service to EYW Key West

Fri May 26, 2017 10:20 pm

I'm flying there in July. 737-700 in both directions (on purpose). Have a great trip and let me know how it goes. I hear the captain briefs the passengers about the landing so they're not alarmed.
 
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Re: DL- service to EYW Key West

Tue May 30, 2017 12:49 pm

Interesting trip into EYW this past weekend both flights were payload restricted.

On my flight down to Key West (ATL-EYW) we were on the CRJ-700. They said due to the short runway at keywest and the temperature at sealevel they had to restrict the plane to 51 passengers. 12 people were bumped from the flight. They started by offering $1000 per passenger + hotel in ATL+ transport too and from the airport and flight they next morning into EYW. (2 ppl took them up on this offer). they then increased to $1500 pp 3 ppl took this. They then increased their offer to $2,000 pp 4 people took this offer. Finally at $2500 pp 3 people took them up and we were then allowed to board and flew down there.

Return flight was full but they asked 6 people to change flights they did not say if it was payload restriction in the 737-700 or if they had over booked the flight. This time they would put you in a hotel on key west 2 nights and get out of on Wednesday.

Taking off at EYW in the 737-700 was pretty fun the plane took off like a rocket ship. For such a short flight we were cruising at 40,000 in no time.
 
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Re: DL- service to EYW Key West

Tue May 30, 2017 6:07 pm

Over the years it's amazing why Key West has managed to do with 4,800 feet of runway. I'm also surprised they haven't extended that runway or improved it beyond laying down 300 feet of EMAS. Surely there is plenty of property beyond the end of the runway to do so.

Question: How in the world can the CRJ-700 be that runway weight limited on landing at EWY? Bombardier did their engineering homework when they enlarged the CRJ airframe from the 200. That 700 wing has full span leading edge slats so approach Vref speeds are kept very reasonable. Perhaps there was an inoperative anti-skid system on that aircraft which factored-in the landing distance. As for the ISA+ a bunch scorching hot Key West-at-sea level temperature double talk, did any pilots in the ATL waiting room smile?
 
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Re: DL- service to EYW Key West

Tue May 30, 2017 7:36 pm

Yeah I thought the gate agent might not have the entire story straight and maybe was just trying to put it into terms that the average person getting on the flight might understand.

From what I do see the Landing distance at Max landing weight of the CRJ-700 is 5,040 ft which is 240 ft longer than EYW at 4800 ft. I would assume you cant take the entire 4800 feet for landing you do need some margin of error. I guess that is why they had to take so many people off the flight.

In a case like this however I do not understand why they sell so many more seats than they are able to put on the plane and then have to pay an insane premium to bump them and rebook them. $2500 per person is the highest i've ever seen an airline offer to bump passengers to the flight the next day.
 
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Tue May 30, 2017 8:40 pm

usxguy wrote:
I wouldn't compare Brazil's lax standards to link SDU with EYW. Gol takes the risk of putting a 737 in the water if there is an engine out on takeoff..


Any airlines would never do take that risk. Even on the "jungle" that we live called Brazil.
GOL's 738 flying in and out SDU are often payload restricted and real time monitored regarding temperature and weather conditions to increase/decrease payload capacity. Guess the crew forgot to told you that.
 
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Tue May 30, 2017 10:50 pm

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DTWLUVER wrote:
Can EYW handle jets? that terminal when I was there in the 90's was so small it could barely handle 2 SF-3's at a time. With the current TSA footprint the gate area has to be shrunk by half or more. You literally walked into the terminal and smack dab into the gift shop& restaurant pre security.


They can, EYW has the shortest runway in North America or maybe the world to have scheduled 737 service.



Yes, but it was first one North America was used to be Dutch Harbour, Alaska PADN/DUT was shorest runway ever! It was 4,500 ft with a 737-200 Alaska Airlines for some quite years. Alaska Airlines stop using jet service to DUT. after 737-200 retired.

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Re: DL- service to EYW Key West

Tue May 30, 2017 11:44 pm

Gol was the launch customer for the 737NG's short runway performance package.

"Boeing helped us to expand our capacity on the most profitable route in Brazil, (Sao Paulo-Rio De Janeiro) while offering comfort and safety to our clients," said David Barioni, GOL's vice president, technical.
The short-field performance changes were developed starting in 2004 in response to GOL's needs at Santos Dumont airstrip in Rio de Janeiro. That 4,300-foot runway is short compared to other runways and could not accommodate larger airplanes at higher approach speeds with full payloads.
The short-field design package is an option on the 737-600, -700 and -800 and is standard equipment for the new 737-900ER. The enhancements increase payload capability for landing up to 8,000 pounds on the 737-800 and 737-900ER and up to 4,000 pounds on the 737-600 and 737-700. They also increase payload capability for takeoff up to 2,000 pounds on the 737-800 and 737-900ER and up to 400 pounds on the 737-600 and 737-700.

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