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Future LH Expansion

Sun May 28, 2017 8:14 am

Has anybody heard rumors of where LH might expand, from either FRA or MUC? What opportunities are left? With the coming expansion of Ryanair at FRA, how will LH respond?

LH already has most of North America well-covered, but is relatively weaker in Latin America and Africa, and has pulled back on some routes as well.
 
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Re: Future LH Expansion

Sun May 28, 2017 8:26 am

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LH already has most of North America well-covered

Covered, yes... in the sense of minimal adequacy.

LH hasn't attempted most of the medium-Hub metros in the USA, and they've failed on several of their attempts (e.g. PHX, PDX) at even large-Hub metros.

Having a low-density high-premium A333 (or a nearly 300-seater low-premium A343) as their route-opening aircraft, probably doesn't help.
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Re: Future LH Expansion

Sun May 28, 2017 8:34 am

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simpv wrote:
LH already has most of North America well-covered


Having a low-density high-premium A333 (or a nearly 300-seater low-premium A343) as their route-opening aircraft, probably doesn't help.


True, I agree. They have on order only A359 and 779, hardly the type of aircraft to expand into secondary markets in North America. Where will these be used?
 
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Re: Future LH Expansion

Sun May 28, 2017 8:39 am

Asia perhaps? Or are they going to try South America?
 
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Re: Future LH Expansion

Sun May 28, 2017 8:54 am

simpv wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
Having a low-density high-premium A333 (or a nearly 300-seater low-premium A343) as their route-opening aircraft, probably doesn't help.

True, I agree.

Seems like they'll be a great candidate for the MOM, if indeed it shapes up to be a 200seater aimed at approx 4000-5000nm.


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They have on order only A359 and 779, hardly the type of aircraft to expand into secondary markets in North America. Where will these be used?

A359s are primarily meant to replace the A340s in MUC, so fairly easy to predict where they'll go... just look at where the A340s fly now.

779 is a bit tougher to predict, but chances are, just about anywhere the 744s fly now, are likely to see 779s in another half-decade or so.
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Re: Future LH Expansion

Sun May 28, 2017 8:58 am

LH is presently at Odds with Fraport about FR. They are miffed if nt peeved about the fact that Fraport has given Ryanair a sweet deal, which, of course is open to every one.

But it will eat into the Feeder flights without which Lh cannot fill their Long haul flights. At bet, LH will maintain e Status quo, there won't be growth but the Slots they have will also not gven up. Rather filled by EW. Difficult Situation for a Network carrier whose businessis in the interest of the clientele they serve.

Save to say that their growth will be at MUC and Fraport really has to watch out. MUC has building permission for the third runway and if that becomes reality thy will hav126 Slots per hour and a better curfew solution than FRA has. It might result into a hub shift.

Besides that, my prediction is, that LH will fight FR head on with a better product and equal or even better Prices at the "al in" level. Most of the times FR is cheaper only for travellers needing not much more than a tooth brush and a spare underwear.
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Re: Future LH Expansion

Sun May 28, 2017 10:48 am

I realize that you're asking about FRA and MUC but I wonder if Berlin is an opportunity for growth given the AirBerlin situation? At least for long haul - Berlin is a huge city and is relatively under served, internationally. Granted the airport situation is not good, but I wonder if it is mid to long term option for LH?
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Sun May 28, 2017 11:34 am

I guess RDU won't see Germany in the near future?
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Sun May 28, 2017 12:29 pm

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Berlin is a huge city and is relatively under served, internationally. Granted the airport situation is not good, but I wonder if it is mid to long term option for LH?


Economically, Berlin is a third world country compared to Munich and Frankfurt, and despite being twice as large as Munich, its size is no advantage because it has almost no catchment area.
 
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Sun May 28, 2017 3:11 pm

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tlecam wrote:
Berlin is a huge city and is relatively under served, internationally. Granted the airport situation is not good, but I wonder if it is mid to long term option for LH?


Economically, Berlin is a third world country compared to Munich and Frankfurt, and despite being twice as large as Munich, its size is no advantage because it has almost no catchment area.


"High Speed Rail Network" says the catchment area could be larger than you think :-)
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Re: Future LH Expansion

Sun May 28, 2017 3:14 pm

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simpv wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
Having a low-density high-premium A333 (or a nearly 300-seater low-premium A343) as their route-opening aircraft, probably doesn't help.

True, I agree.

Seems like they'll be a great candidate for the MOM, if indeed it shapes up to be a 200seater aimed at approx 4000-5000nm.


simpv wrote:
They have on order only A359 and 779, hardly the type of aircraft to expand into secondary markets in North America. Where will these be used?

A359s are primarily meant to replace the A340s in MUC, so fairly easy to predict where they'll go... just look at where the A340s fly now.

779 is a bit tougher to predict, but chances are, just about anywhere the 744s fly now, are likely to see 779s in another half-decade or so.


What about First Class? Would they simply be phased out?
 
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Sun May 28, 2017 3:27 pm

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I guess RDU won't see Germany in the near future?

Don't forget Condor. They might be looking to expand to more medium hub airports in America, so RDU could be on their shortlist.
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Sun May 28, 2017 3:32 pm

I think it would be nice to see Lufthansa to start these new routes:
1)MUC-Sao Paulo (it was cut in 2016 I believe)
2)MUC-Buenos Aires
3)MUC-Rio de Janerio
4)MUC-Singapore
 
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Sun May 28, 2017 3:41 pm

Would Lufthansa return to PDX as jump 4-5x/week?
 
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Sun May 28, 2017 4:18 pm

BER is not a hub Airport, the Location is not suitable. They can be glad about that sinc XF/BER, once opened, cannot handle the existi O&D traffic.
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Sun May 28, 2017 6:32 pm

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Would Lufthansa return to PDX as jump 4-5x/week?

Seems quite unlikely.

LH couldn't make PDX work against a single competing route (AMS), and that was back when it had the advantage of years of incumbency.

Now PDX has 4 European nonstops, so I'd sincerely doubt that LH would want to be the (literal) 5th-wheel
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Re: Future LH Expansion

Sun May 28, 2017 7:37 pm

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simpv wrote:
LH already has most of North America well-covered

Covered, yes... in the sense of minimal adequacy.

LH hasn't attempted most of the medium-Hub metros in the USA, and they've failed on several of their attempts (e.g. PHX, PDX) at even large-Hub metros.

Having a low-density high-premium A333 (or a nearly 300-seater low-premium A343) as their route-opening aircraft, probably doesn't help.


Frankfurt may be too far away to serve a lot of areas with smaller aircraft except for a Boeing 767. This is where MOM could really help or codesharing with former subsidiary Condor.
 
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Sun May 28, 2017 7:46 pm

NichCage wrote:
I think it would be nice to see Lufthansa to start these new routes:
1)MUC-Sao Paulo (it was cut in 2016 I believe)
2)MUC-Buenos Aires
3)MUC-Rio de Janerio


GRU will return when the situation in Brazil eventually improves. A long shot for the time being.

EZE has been rumored for a while; LH is doing quite well with its daily 748 from FRA; LH has leapfrogged AF and AZ to become the second largest Euro carrier in Argentina, only behind IB.

GIG: I sincerely doubt it - now or in the foreseeable future
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Sun May 28, 2017 7:47 pm

How about secondary China?
 
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Sun May 28, 2017 7:57 pm

tlecam wrote:
I realize that you're asking about FRA and MUC but I wonder if Berlin is an opportunity for growth given the AirBerlin situation? At least for long haul - Berlin is a huge city and is relatively under served, internationally. Granted the airport situation is not good, but I wonder if it is mid to long term option for LH?


Does Berlin have any ns flights to the U.S?
 
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Sun May 28, 2017 8:43 pm

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tlecam wrote:
I realize that you're asking about FRA and MUC but I wonder if Berlin is an opportunity for growth given the AirBerlin situation? At least for long haul - Berlin is a huge city and is relatively under served, internationally. Granted the airport situation is not good, but I wonder if it is mid to long term option for LH?


Does Berlin have any ns flights to the U.S?

Not on LH, but AB serves ORD, MIA, LAX, SFO and JFK from TXL. Additionaly UA operates EWR-TXL. DL flies JFK-TXL seasonal.
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Sun May 28, 2017 8:58 pm

Could the MOM/a330neo help the case? I can see LH taking neos, they have a330s that will need replacing.
 
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Sun May 28, 2017 11:34 pm

NichCage wrote:
I think it would be nice to see Lufthansa to start these new routes:
1)MUC-Sao Paulo (it was cut in 2016 I believe)
2)MUC-Buenos Aires
3)MUC-Rio de Janerio
4)MUC-Singapore


1)MUC-GRU, Will resume as soon as Brazil's economy recovers
2)MUC-EZE is an interesting one, as Argentina economy is booming right know and due to the sucess of LH on FRA-EZE. I can see LH launching MUC-EZE 4-5 weekly, on it's new A350-900
3)MUC-GIG, no way, it Will be a waste of money + GIG is quite well served by BA IB AF AZ LH (FRA)
4)MUC-SIN, already served daily by SQ. Maybe with the arrival of more A350-900 we can see LH launching this route
 
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Mon May 29, 2017 12:34 am

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Santiago or Austin.

Santiago is a considerably wealthier city than most others in Latin America, and its economy (like Buenos Aires) is strong. The city isn't served by LH but is served by British, Air France, KLM, Iberia, and Alitalia. FRA-SCL would be 12,112 km, which could be operated by A350-900.

Austin is becoming a new tech city in America, and has recently seen British start LHR service. I think there is definitely potential for this route to work, especially with connections at FRA to India and Eastern Europe. FRA-AUS is 8,536 km, which could be operated by A340-300 to start, and A350-900 if demand is strong.

Speaking of tech cities, I think MUC-BLR could be an option for LH to consider as well. It could be run by A350-900, just like the BOM and DEL flights.

On another note, however, does anybody see LH start a second FRA-BOM? The route is served only by 1 daily 747-400, compared to a daily A380 and daily 787 (Air India) from DEL. I do know that FRA-BOM itself is a decently strong business route, so adding a second night flight to BOM and return day flight could be worthwhile. This is because 9W is going to focus on Skyteam hubs in Europe (and will thus not start FRA) and LH cannot upgrade BOM to A380 due to conflicts with the EK 500/501 being similarly timed, using the only A380 gate.
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Mon May 29, 2017 12:34 am

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Frankfurt may be too far away to serve a lot of areas with smaller aircraft except for a Boeing 767. This is where MOM could really help or codesharing with former subsidiary Condor.

Well, yeah... but you just described all of Europe in general.
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Mon May 29, 2017 12:36 am

Irehdna wrote:
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Santiago or Austin.

Austin is becoming a new tech city in America, and has recently seen British start LHR service. I think there is definitely potential for this route to work, especially with connections at FRA to India and Eastern Europe. FRA-AUS is 8,536 km, which could be operated by A340-300 to start, and A350-900 if demand is strong.

Austin already has a nonstop to FRA, and LH can barely make the smaller US large-Hub airports work, much less a medium-Hub designated airfield that already has a connecting partner on the route.
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Mon May 29, 2017 12:40 am

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Austin already has a nonstop to FRA, and LH can barely make the smaller US large-Hub airports work, much less a medium-Hub designated airfield that already has a connecting partner on the route.


Whoops, forgot Condor operated the route (albeit seasonally)!
 
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Mon May 29, 2017 2:48 am

Irehdna wrote:
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Santiago or Austin.

Santiago is a considerably wealthier city than most others in Latin America, and its economy (like Buenos Aires) is strong. The city isn't served by LH but is served by British, Air France, KLM, Iberia, and Alitalia. FRA-SCL would be 12,112 km, which could be operated by A350-900.


While Chile has had remarkable growth over the last 2 decades, it is still a smallish economy, and the concentration of wealth in the hands of the upper classes still leaves something to be desired. Santiago only has 1/3 the GDP of Sao Paulo and less than half the GDP of Buenos Aires. While demand has grown over the years, it is still nowhere near that for GRU or EZE.

If there is not enough premium demand, at least for deep South America, LH won't fly there. Both for GRU and EZE, LH sends this high premium configured 747-8. A tag on from EZE to SCL would not be something LH would do, and a dedicated SCL flight does not seem on the cards as things are now.
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Mon May 29, 2017 4:23 am

UA and LH have identical long haul strategies: fly to partner his and key world cities, then let the partner take it from there.
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Mon May 29, 2017 6:50 am

I believe if they expand in North America it will be with Eurowings using A330-200 flying point to point from smaller German cities and to smaller US/Canadian Cities from MUC.
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Mon May 29, 2017 11:26 am

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A tag on from EZE to SCL would not be something LH would do, and a dedicated SCL flight does not seem on the cards as things are now.


LH tried this many years ago. In the early 2000's they sent a 744 to EZE and from there to SCL. Apparently it didn't work out. Took that flight myself several times and on the leg from EZE to SCL you basically had a 744 for yourself. Don't know if this would be different now.
 
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Mon May 29, 2017 11:43 am

They will expand very flexibly. It is the only way in the current environment. Wait for the electronics ban on the US flights and the incentive to widen the service to the US might drop a lot.
 
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Mon May 29, 2017 1:38 pm

I do not see them expanding too much, maybe:
FRA-CCS restart as soon as the mess in Venezuela has been resolved
More tourist destinations like HAV switching more planes to the "Jump" configuration
Longterm restart of KUL, and some additional African destinations
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Mon May 29, 2017 8:00 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
Irehdna wrote:
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Santiago or Austin.

Austin is becoming a new tech city in America, and has recently seen British start LHR service. I think there is definitely potential for this route to work, especially with connections at FRA to India and Eastern Europe. FRA-AUS is 8,536 km, which could be operated by A340-300 to start, and A350-900 if demand is strong.

Austin already has a nonstop to FRA, and LH can barely make the smaller US large-Hub airports work, much less a medium-Hub designated airfield that already has a connecting partner on the route.


I agree. I also think people overestimate the amount of Europe capacity (or just capacity in general) that AUS can take (or generate). It's not a big city and it already punches WAY above its weight, which is a testament to how strong the tech economy and cultural attraction to the city is, but there are larger, wealthier tech hubs that can't support much more than what AUS has right now, so I don't see it.
 
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Mon May 29, 2017 9:01 pm

LH used to be big in the USSR breakaways. Tashkent, Ashgabat, Almaty, and Astana come to mind as suitable future destinations.

Returns to HAN, SGN, TPE and MAYBE SYD could be had also.
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Mon May 29, 2017 9:53 pm

LH's expansion will come from the acquisition of air berlin. Can't happen soon enough imo.
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Mon May 29, 2017 10:55 pm

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dcajet wrote:
A tag on from EZE to SCL would not be something LH would do, and a dedicated SCL flight does not seem on the cards as things are now.


LH tried this many years ago. In the early 2000's they sent a 744 to EZE and from there to SCL. Apparently it didn't work out. Took that flight myself several times and on the leg from EZE to SCL you basically had a 744 for yourself. Don't know if this would be different now.


Correct; then they put the A346 on the route (in fact FRA-EZE-SCL was the first commercial route for LH's A346) and after that they stopped serving SCL altogether. Now, in parallel to this, LH had acquired Swiss, so they used LX to serve SCL via GRU from ZRH with the A343. That did not last very long either and LH Group left the Chile market for good.

One things that has changed though is that the Argentina-Chile travel market has grown exponentially from those days. There are around 25 daily flights between BUE (AEP & EZE) and SCL with not only AR and LA but AU and H2 as local players, but also KL (77W) and AC (789) taking advantage of fifth freedom rights. Would LH be able to grab a piece of this market? You bet. Are these 5th freedom flights something Lufty engages in? I don't think so anymore.
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Mon May 29, 2017 11:34 pm

Another reason why I can't see right now LH flying 5th freedom between EZE and SCL: fares are as low as US$29 single from EZE, US$16 from COR and MDZ, from the Argentina POS.
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Re: Future LH Expansion

Tue May 30, 2017 2:23 am

Luisvalero wrote:
NichCage wrote:
I think it would be nice to see Lufthansa to start these new routes:
1)MUC-Sao Paulo (it was cut in 2016 I believe)
2)MUC-Buenos Aires
3)MUC-Rio de Janerio
4)MUC-Singapore


1)MUC-GRU, Will resume as soon as Brazil's economy recovers
2)MUC-EZE is an interesting one, as Argentina economy is booming right know and due to the sucess of LH on FRA-EZE. I can see LH launching MUC-EZE 4-5 weekly, on it's new A350-900
3)MUC-GIG, no way, it Will be a waste of money + GIG is quite well served by BA IB AF AZ LH (FRA)
4)MUC-SIN, already served daily by SQ. Maybe with the arrival of more A350-900 we can see LH launching this route


I'm curious as to why you and others think that a flight from MUC to GIG, even seasonally would not turn a profit. LH I think flies MUC-CPT seasonally, which is a similarly long thin route, but it's been in the system for a couple years now which indicates it must make some money. CPT, like GIG, is heavily tourism dependent, so why is there traffic to one , but not the other?
 
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IAHWorldflyer wrote:
Luisvalero wrote:
NichCage wrote:
I think it would be nice to see Lufthansa to start these new routes:
1)MUC-Sao Paulo (it was cut in 2016 I believe)
2)MUC-Buenos Aires
3)MUC-Rio de Janerio
4)MUC-Singapore


1)MUC-GRU, Will resume as soon as Brazil's economy recovers
2)MUC-EZE is an interesting one, as Argentina economy is booming right know and due to the sucess of LH on FRA-EZE. I can see LH launching MUC-EZE 4-5 weekly, on it's new A350-900
3)MUC-GIG, no way, it Will be a waste of money + GIG is quite well served by BA IB AF AZ LH (FRA)
4)MUC-SIN, already served daily by SQ. Maybe with the arrival of more A350-900 we can see LH launching this route


I'm curious as to why you and others think that a flight from MUC to GIG, even seasonally would not turn a profit. LH I think flies MUC-CPT seasonally, which is a similarly long thin route, but it's been in the system for a couple years now which indicates it must make some money. CPT, like GIG, is heavily tourism dependent, so why is there traffic to one , but not the other?


Volume. South Africa receives way more tourism from Europe than Brazil does. Rio also suffers from a terrible reputation. safety-wise.

If GRU-MUC did not pass the test for LH, a second flight to GIG on LH Is not on the cards.
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Tue May 30, 2017 3:24 am

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tlecam wrote:
Berlin is a huge city and is relatively under served, internationally. Granted the airport situation is not good, but I wonder if it is mid to long term option for LH?


Economically, Berlin is a third world country compared to Munich and Frankfurt, and despite being twice as large as Munich, its size is no advantage because it has almost no catchment area.


almost 30 years on from reunification and that's still the case? ugh, the corrosive effects of socialism.
 
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Tue May 30, 2017 5:19 am

More a question of geography. The area surrounding Berlin has always been sparsely populated and largely agricultural, kind of the bread basket for the capital. It also lacked the means for industrialisation like natural resources.
 
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MAYBE SYD

If you're holding your breath for that, you can probably exhale now.

Wayyyy too many resources (aircraft, human, capital, etc) have to be tied up, in exchange for a single point on the map. It really just makes no sense, considering the yields + the ease of dumping people at SIN/BKK and letting SQ/TG take care of Australia.
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Tue May 30, 2017 2:10 pm

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tlecam wrote:
I realize that you're asking about FRA and MUC but I wonder if Berlin is an opportunity for growth given the AirBerlin situation? At least for long haul - Berlin is a huge city and is relatively under served, internationally. Granted the airport situation is not good, but I wonder if it is mid to long term option for LH?


Does Berlin have any ns flights to the U.S?

Not on LH, but AB serves ORD, MIA, LAX, SFO and JFK from TXL. Additionaly UA operates EWR-TXL. DL flies JFK-TXL seasonal.


Thanks 777klm! I had no idea there were so many flights from the U.S. to Berlin. Might have to look in to visiting next year.
 
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Re: Future LH Expansion

Tue May 30, 2017 4:51 pm

Judging from all the valuable comments/opinions, there is really not much left in terms of new markets or restart of former ones for LH and its group airlines. Seems like a general issue of saturation.

Clustering it into geographical areas:
- Asia: pretty much all important and secondary cities with premium demand are covered; the region in overall is also very much covered by the ME3+TK driving down the yields to places like BKK, KUL, CGK, etc. I liked however the idea of adding frequency to DEL/BOM, but again, having flights from FRA, MUC, ZRH and VIE diminishes these options in my eyes
- Africa: all places worth to fly are in the network. The others covered by group airlines, especially LX and SN. The continent was always unstable and this is not an environment LH feels itself comfortable to invest in
- Southamerica: historical ties like with TP or IB are not given and the region itself is economically on a challenge right now. SCL has been mentioned, but there are strong opinions against it simply due to the length of the flight.
- Northamerica: only place with growth potential, but rather on frequency than on new market establishment. Here again comes in the factor LH-LX-OS coverage. Major hubs are served by those three and even double/tripple by LH itself (FRA 2x/MUC and even DUS)

Quite complicated situation to be honest...
 
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Re: Future LH Expansion

Tue May 30, 2017 5:13 pm

To add dificulties to restart SCL, LATAM flies to FRA daily, covering that market since 1991.
 
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Re: Future LH Expansion

Tue May 30, 2017 10:03 pm

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If its Twitter feed is any indication, AI will indeed launch BOM-FRA in July, I think with the schedule you mention. One thing to note is that visiting business travellers really like those nighttime flights back to Europe, arriving in the morning. To India and also Southeast Asia there is also significant indirect competition, which drives down fares. As such it's better for LH to utilise AI on such ventures.

As others have pointed out, SCL is a small market despite its strengths, and with BA recently joining in, it's that much harder for LH to enter the picture. You could say the same for AUS.
 
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Future LH Expansion

Sat Jun 03, 2017 4:49 pm

Mistral1 wrote:
To add dificulties to restart SCL, LATAM flies to FRA daily, covering that market since 1991.


Yes via MAD and if you want to fly from FRA to MAD and are flexible you can get very cheap tickets in J on LA. This is a well known insider tip. Y tickets are below 100 Euros as well. I am wondering how many people using the lag to FRA are originating from South America.
 
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Re: Future LH Expansion

Sun Jun 04, 2017 1:41 am

I think DTW-MUC is very doable.
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Re: Future LH Expansion

Sun Jun 04, 2017 2:37 am

SQ22 wrote:
Mistral1 wrote:
To add dificulties to restart SCL, LATAM flies to FRA daily, covering that market since 1991.


Yes via MAD and if you want to fly from FRA to MAD and are flexible you can get very cheap tickets in J on LA. This is a well known insider tip. Y tickets are below 100 Euros as well. I am wondering how many people using the lag to FRA are originating from South America.


No that many. Especially on the pointy end. There is a good deal of cargo though.

Keep in mind the flight originates in SCL, and that airport is not geographically desirable for European connections, as from EZE, GRU and LIM you'd have to backtrack to catch the flight. And from EZE and GRU you can fly nonstop to FRA on LH.

LAN Chile (right before they became LATAM) announced the cancellation of the MAD-FRA tag, but backpedaled on that decision right after it was made.
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