CMH's official Facebook and Twitter accounts posted "Exciting announcement heading your way May 30...stay tuned!" to their pages two hours ago.

Anybody want to take a stab at/can spoil what we're looking at? If it's new service, AS/VX, NK, B6 would be the leading domestic candidates. I've always thought OneJet could be a fit, though that might be anti-climactic. The elephant in the rumor mill is London service we've been teased with for two years, which the local media has run stories on a couple times.

LHR on BA/maybe Norwegian long-haul or VX/AS or to SEA is my guess. B6 coming back would be exciting for you guys too.

Outside, less "exciting" guess would be OneJet coming to town or DL to SEA, since you guys don't have SEA service. Good luck!

I don't see cmh getting a lhr flight, what slot would they grab? No offence to CMH, but I just don't see the central Ohio area as priority for a heathrow flight, maybe Gatwick.

EK to DXB!??!

knope2001 wrote:

Anybody know if the Columbus community has been pooling funds for transatlantic? I have heard that some second-tier TATL carriers are very interested in opening up smaller US gateway cities if the revenue guarantees are there. I'm not sure carriers like British or Lufthansa are interested in that segment, but if someplace like Columbus ponied they might get Condor or WOW to readily jump in. The trick, of course is to gather the funds, particular when it is for something like lesser than (say) daily BA to LHR.

Really, "revenue guarantees" for overseas flights ? Does this actually occur anywhere?

I can't see DY or D8 coming to CMH unless they plan to attempt to pull from CLE/CVG.

It appears to be too far for D8 ops and there's still some connecting the dots with with other destinations for 787's: SEA/DEN-Scandinavia, BOS-ARN/BCN/CDG, making BOS-LGW daily. Every USA destination with DY longhaul is an easy sell to Europeans and CMH quite frankly doesn't fall into that category.

2-3 weekly DE to FRA could be the one if its international.

Safe bet is NK or B6. B6 has been pretty quiet lately. There's only two routes confirmed to start for the rest of the year and ORH-JFK has been promised at some point. Maybe this is the start of another BOS/FLL increase

knope2001 wrote:

I'm not sure carriers like British or Lufthansa are interested in that segment, but if someplace like Columbus ponied they might get Condor or WOW to readily jump in. The trick, of course is to gather the funds, particular when it is for something like lesser than (say) daily BA to LHR.

Subject to aircraft availability, WOW might be interested without subsidy. CMH isn't much different from PIT.

airtrantpa wrote:

I don't see cmh getting a lhr flight, what slot would they grab? No offence to CMH, but I just don't see the central Ohio area as priority for a heathrow flight, maybe Gatwick.

I agree, I can see Gatewick getting a flight from CMH, but I don't see LHR jumping at the chance of flights from CMH also.

I don't think that CMH would be getting all excited if it was One Jet. But I have a feeling it's nothing international.

CMH, has been courting AAG for a n/s to SEA, just saying. When we talked about AS & it's absence from Ohio, it was speculated that CMH would be the best contender & the PDEW is solid enough to be one of the few routes left from SEA w/o a n/s, that can support it.

I would imagine SEA-CMH would be a new mainline destination, since the 175's do not have the range. Maybe, there will also be CMH-SFO or LAX as well as SEA.

Actually I reckon it could be BA. They're getting one new B788 in the autumn and May is about as late as it could be to announce a new route. They're also receiving new 787s next year too so a Spring 2018 start is also conceivable.

Bear in mind that CMH is ideally placed to serve CLE, CVG, IND, DAY, SDF and PIT as it's right in the middle between all these metros and is easily drivable from all to the point that it could serve them all as a catchment area.

I've been saying this for a while so I'm curious to see if I'll be proven right.

If not BA then it could be the likes of DE, Wow or Norwegian, of which DE might make the most sense, given Wow serve nearby Pittsburgh.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Frontier or Spirit add some routes. These announcements usually get hyped up and it's usually just new LCC destinations

Well here is the quote "❗️Exciting announcement heading your way May 30...stay tuned" Considering AS/VX's new routes over the past year I suspect 1. SEA-CMH
2.B6-BOS/FLL
3.UA SFO-CMH
4.F9/NK
5.J1-Suprised they don't have service to PIT
6.TATL LCC
7.TATL BA/LH- Long shot, I always thought BA/LH would serve STL/BNA/IND first but you never know

Adipocere wrote:

EK to DXB!??!

I'm thinking more along the lines of JS to Pyongyang.

It has gotta be NK. If you look at the timing, NK just announced more CUN services in November. July to November there is nothing new announced yet, so that is a long gap. NK usually adds new routes or cities every month. With such a large gap, there has to be something coming. Let's remember that the NK CEO is the former FL CEO, soooo, places like CMH, IND, SDF, and MKE are prime markets where FL made their money. It is only a matter of time for NK to come to CMH, but that time, could be tomorrow for all we know.

I thought about this: CMH is the second largest O+D market not served by B6 from BOS after MSP. BOS-CMH is larger than some other markets (CVG MCI, STL, MSY, MKE).

To be "exciting" - maybe its all three B6 cities BOS FLL and MCO.

adamh8297 wrote:

I thought about this: CMH is the second largest O+D market not served from BOS after MSP. BOS-CMH is larger than some other markets (CVG MCI, STL, MSY, MKE).

To be "exciting" - maybe its all three B6 cities BOS FLL and MCO.

CMH-BOS is served on WN(2x) and DL(3x) daily, so what do you mean not served

Midwestindy wrote:

adamh8297 wrote:

I thought about this: CMH is the second largest O+D market not served from BOS after MSP. BOS-CMH is larger than some other markets (CVG MCI, STL, MSY, MKE).

To be "exciting" - maybe its all three B6 cities BOS FLL and MCO.

CMH-BOS is served on WN(2x) and DL(3x) daily, so what do you mean not served

My bad - not served by B6! I will edit!

FlyUSAir wrote:

Adipocere wrote:

EK to DXB!??!

I'm thinking more along the lines of JS to Pyongyang.

Can't be. It would have to be RQ to KBL. It's the only one that has the real demand available.

knope2001 wrote:

but if someplace like Columbus ponied they might get Condor or WOW to readily jump in.

adamh8297 wrote:

2-3 weekly DE to FRA could be the one if its international.

Cubsrule wrote:

Subject to aircraft availability, WOW might be interested without subsidy. CMH isn't much different from PIT.

TheLion wrote:

If not BA then it could be the likes of DE, Wow or Norwegian, of which DE might make the most sense, given Wow serve nearby Pittsburgh.

WOW and Condor are already pulling people to PIT from distances greater than CHM, So I doubt they would enter CMH only to cannibalize their existing flight..

TheLion wrote:

Bear in mind that CMH is ideally placed to serve CLE, CVG, IND, DAY, SDF and PIT as it's right in the middle between all these metros and is easily drivable from all to the point that it [British Airways] could serve them all as a catchment area.

Agreed 100%, and makes a good case Norwegian as well.

lesfalls wrote:

FlyUSAir wrote:

Adipocere wrote:

EK to DXB!??!

I'm thinking more along the lines of JS to Pyongyang.

Can't be. It would have to be RQ to KBL. It's the only one that has the real demand available.

I heard CMH was courting RB for flights to DAM, stay tuned.

flyPIT wrote:

knope2001 wrote:

but if someplace like Columbus ponied they might get Condor or WOW to readily jump in.

adamh8297 wrote:

2-3 weekly DE to FRA could be the one if its international.

Cubsrule wrote:

Subject to aircraft availability, WOW might be interested without subsidy. CMH isn't much different from PIT.

TheLion wrote:

If not BA then it could be the likes of DE, Wow or Norwegian, of which DE might make the most sense, given Wow serve nearby Pittsburgh.

WOW and Condor are already pulling people to PIT from distances greater than CHM, So I doubt they would enter CMH only to cannibalize their existing flight..

TheLion wrote:

Bear in mind that CMH is ideally placed to serve CLE, CVG, IND, DAY, SDF and PIT as it's right in the middle between all these metros and is easily drivable from all to the point that it [British Airways] could serve them all as a catchment area.

Agreed 100%, and makes a good case Norwegian as well.

The MAX can't make it to CMH. I believe the limit without a seat block is 3500 miles in their config. I think they would lose a passenger or two to CMH. I think two passengers are important enough for them.
There is no way they are bringing a Dreamliner in there IMHO.

Southwest has recently announced holiday nonstop service between CMH and HOU, but has yet announced any additional new routes beyond the seasonal CMH-HOU nonstop route. Is Southwest going to be announcing new nonstop service from CMH to LAX, SAN, MCI, MSP, MKE, LGA, and/or PHL tomorrow?

jplatts wrote:

Southwest has recently announced holiday nonstop service between CMH and HOU, but has yet announced any additional new routes beyond the seasonal CMH-HOU nonstop route. Is Southwest going to be announcing new nonstop service from CMH to LAX, SAN, MCI, MSP, MKE, LGA, and/or PHL tomorrow?

WN just announced a lot of new routes last week, so my thinking is if they were going to announce new routes from CMH they would have done it then, but you never know!

TerminalD wrote:

WOW and Condor are already pulling people to PIT from distances greater than CHM, So I doubt they would enter CMH only to cannibalize their existing flight..

This doesn't necessarily make sense. If lots of people are driving to PIT to pay, say, $300 for WW or DE to TATL destination X, then don't you think they might pay $400 to get the day of their life required for the drive to PIT back? Further, there are plenty of passengers who don't want to drive that distance even though those carriers might otherwise appeal to them.

This may be a poorly crafted tease for a 5K run to be held in October on runway 28R. A business/travel reporter for The Columbus Dispatch I follow on Twitter knows it's going to be announced this week, but is unsure if that's the announcement or if there's a service announcement coming as well.

It's a massive letdown if it's promoting a friggin' 5K, especially since most people who saw it expected new service of some sort. The Facebook post now being gone isn't optimistic.

DeltaRules wrote:

This may be a poorly crafted tease for a 5K run to be held in October on runway 28R. A business/travel reporter for The Columbus Dispatch I follow on Twitter knows it's going to be announced this week, but is unsure if that's the announcement or if there's a service announcement coming as well.

It's a massive letdown if it's promoting a friggin' 5K, especially since most people who saw it expected new service of some sort. The Facebook post now being gone isn't optimistic.

LOL! that's hilarious! Their social media person was probably like, "I'm about to troll ANet so hard..."

DeltaRules wrote:

This may be a poorly crafted tease for a 5K run to be held in October on runway 28R. A business/travel reporter for The Columbus Dispatch I follow on Twitter knows it's going to be announced this week, but is unsure if that's the announcement or if there's a service announcement coming as well.

It's a massive letdown if it's promoting a friggin' 5K, especially since most people who saw it expected new service of some sort. The Facebook post now being gone isn't optimistic.

If it is a 5K I wouldn't be surprised, CMH has not had a lot of new service announcements in a while.

WN announced weekend CMH-MSY and CMH-HOU on a "holiday" basis in the last couple months, but that's about it.

DeltaRules wrote:

This may be a poorly crafted tease for a 5K run to be held in October on runway 28R. A business/travel reporter for The Columbus Dispatch I follow on Twitter knows it's going to be announced this week, but is unsure if that's the announcement or if there's a service announcement coming as well.

It's a massive letdown if it's promoting a friggin' 5K, especially since most people who saw it expected new service of some sort. The Facebook post now being gone isn't optimistic.

Sounds more and more like that's it, which is incredibly disappointing.

I thought it was odd that they were using social media to tease a potential air service announcement, as that has never been their MO.

If its a 5K, this would be up there in the hype department with the DFW dance troupe announcement a few years ago.

I remember about 10 years ago when every week on a.net was an upcoming announcement about announcement of an announcement of some new and/or rumored FL air service that usually never transpired.

I agree with the above posters. It def is not Condor or WOW Air, as they are just beginning service from PIT, which is only 3 hours away driving time...

I don't think it will be Norwegian or British Airways either. More than likely domestic service (i.e. Spirit).

DeltaRules wrote:

This may be a poorly crafted tease for a 5K run to be held in October on runway 28R. A business/travel reporter for The Columbus Dispatch I follow on Twitter knows it's going to be announced this week, but is unsure if that's the announcement or if there's a service announcement coming as well.

It's a massive letdown if it's promoting a friggin' 5K, especially since most people who saw it expected new service of some sort. The Facebook post now being gone isn't optimistic.

I just looked a the Twitter post on the CMH website and I notice that there is a picture in the post showing a close-up of the end of runway 28R. That could possibly tie in to the 5K idea (unfortunately.) Link: https://twitter.com/columbusairport/sta ... l-media%2F

Just a few more hours and we'll find out.

bb

"Really, "revenue guarantees" for overseas flights ? Does this actually occur anywhere?"


Sure.

The Maryland Aviation Authority has openly subsidized losses BA encountered with their BWI-LHR flights.

http://www.bizjournals.com/baltimore/ne ... tract.html

Just announced a few minutes ago. The big announcement is a 5K. Yippee!!!
https://twitter.com/columbusairport?ref ... l-media%2F

john7165 wrote:

Just announced a few minutes ago. The big announcement is a 5K. Yippee!!!
https://twitter.com/columbusairport?ref ... l-media%2F

Epic!

john7165 wrote:

Just announced a few minutes ago. The big announcement is a 5K. Yippee!!!
https://twitter.com/columbusairport?ref ... l-media%2F

I guess that tells a lot about where CMH's priorities are at, while other cities are announcing TATL and west coast service they are announcing a 5k. That is pretty sad and at the same time pretty funny, I feel bad for the people of Columbus.

That's the Exciting Announcement?

Random Question: Is that runway not used or rarely used? or are they doing it at a time there aren't many flights? I guess they can manage with one runway on a Saturday, it just seems like a weird thing to shutdown one of your two runways for an hour or two for this. (the link may provide some on of this info but my work locks out facebook/twitter so I can't read it)


To be fair to them, a 5k on a runway sounds pretty cool if the rest of the airport is in use during it. That said, maybe just announce it and don't tease it like it is something big.

TheLion wrote:

Actually I reckon it could be BA. They're getting one new B788 in the autumn and May is about as late as it could be to announce a new route. They're also receiving new 787s next year too so a Spring 2018 start is also conceivable.

Although we now know it isn't BA or any other airline that's starting or increasing service at CMH, the 787 production lists show 1 x BA 788 arriving at the very end of September this year, then the next doesn't leave the factory until the very end of May 2018, too late for the start of the summer timetable. This second plane is quite a bit later than other sources show, the other two 788s on order must be later still in the year, and the remaining 789s behind that. Whether this is deferment by BA to save money, slippage by Boeing, or slippage by seat manufacturers (which has delayed BA 787 deliveries before) we don't know yet.

Midwestindy wrote:

john7165 wrote:

Just announced a few minutes ago. The big announcement is a 5K. Yippee!!!
https://twitter.com/columbusairport?ref ... l-media%2F

I guess that tells a lot about where CMH's priorities are at, while other cities are announcing TATL and west coast service they are announcing a 5k. That is pretty sad and at the same time pretty funny, I feel bad for the people of Columbus.

I can't help but agree. Every day there seems to be another article on the strength of the local economy and increasing population statistics, yet air service development has been sparse in comparison. There have been some minor additions here and there (limited seasonal service to HOU and MSY on WN and VPS on G4), but nothing that can be attributed to a concentrated effort by the CRAA to land additional service. When CMH missed out on the big route announcement from AS/VX a few weeks ago is when I figured the airport had lost its focus on developing local air service. This "exciting announcement" confirms that feeling.

john7165 wrote:

Just announced a few minutes ago. The big announcement is a 5K. Yippee!!!
https://twitter.com/columbusairport?ref ... l-media%2F

Wonder how many will have precheck going through security, and will they allow water pass the checkpoint? Will someone say TSA touched my running shorts? Will everyone be issued a SIDA badge since its a secure area? The suspense is killing me!

Jshank83 wrote:

Random Question: Is that runway not used or rarely used? or are they doing it at a time there aren't many flights? I guess they can manage with one runway on a Saturday, it just seems like a weird thing to shutdown one of your two runways for an hour or two for this. (the link may provide some on of this info but my work locks out facebook/twitter so I can't read it)


To be fair to them, a 5k on a runway sounds pretty cool if the rest of the airport is in use during it. That said, maybe just announce it and don't tease it like it is something big.

There are several airports that do 5K runs; I've participated in the JFK run myself. It is really cool to be on the runway as live operations are taking place all around! As you mentioned, they are generally done at the most off-peak time (at JFK, it's on a Sunday morning). CMH was able to manage on just one runways as 28R/10L was being resurfaced last summer, so closing it up for a few hours on a Saturday shouldn't be a big deal. Also agree that the way they announced it was in pretty poor taste.

flyCMH wrote:

Jshank83 wrote:

Random Question: Is that runway not used or rarely used? or are they doing it at a time there aren't many flights? I guess they can manage with one runway on a Saturday, it just seems like a weird thing to shutdown one of your two runways for an hour or two for this. (the link may provide some on of this info but my work locks out facebook/twitter so I can't read it)


To be fair to them, a 5k on a runway sounds pretty cool if the rest of the airport is in use during it. That said, maybe just announce it and don't tease it like it is something big.

There are several airports that do 5K runs; I've participated in the JFK run myself. It is really cool to be on the runway as live operations are taking place all around! As you mentioned, they are generally done at the most off-peak time (at JFK, it's on a Sunday morning). CMH was able to manage on just one runways as 28R/10L was being resurfaced last summer, so closing it up for a few hours on a Saturday shouldn't be a big deal. Also agree that the way they announced it was in pretty poor taste.

As busy as I preceive JFK to be, it is interesting that they can manage down a runway. Ignoring the bad taste in announcing this, I wish my home airport (STL) would do this. They have a runway that is hardly used, and not near the other 3 runways, they could deal without for a couple hours on a Saturday. Might motivate me to start running again, haha.

A frickin' 5K? Boy, ever since our previous mayor left office (the one who made getting more service/carriers at CMH a priority), things have been mundane at best. CVG is cleaning our clock with their re-dedication to expansion...while we make plans to run around a runway.

Oh well, I guess I can hope my home airport will get their act together in the near future.

CMHMarc787 wrote:

A frickin' 5K? Boy, ever since our previous mayor left office (the one who made getting more service/carriers at CMH a priority), things have been mundane at best. CVG is cleaning our clock with their re-dedication to expansion...while we make plans to run around a runway.

Oh well, I guess I can hope my home airport will get their act together in the near future.

I don't know how important the mayor is in getting new service, but CMH has to hit a home run with their new director. Whomever it is must put route expansion at the top of their list and be very aggressive in pursuing it.

Just announced a few minutes ago. The big announcement is a 5K. Yippee!!!
https://twitter.com/columbusairport?ref ... l-media%2F

That's wonderful news!! Congrats GMH...

IND gets AS/VX and SFO. PIT gets FRA and KEF. RDU gets DL to CDG, then upgauged a widebody. CVG gets focus cities for two ULCCs. CMH, in spite of all the possibilities discussed, gets a 5k race.

I'm hoping whoever the new CRAA head is will buck the trend.

Jshank83 wrote:

Random Question: Is that runway not used or rarely used? or are they doing it at a time there aren't many flights? I guess they can manage with one runway on a Saturday, it just seems like a weird thing to shutdown one of your two runways for an hour or two for this. (the link may provide some on of this info but my work locks out facebook/twitter so I can't read it)


To be fair to them, a 5k on a runway sounds pretty cool if the rest of the airport is in use during it. That said, maybe just announce it and don't tease it like it is something big.

If anything, I'd venture a guess 28R is busier than 28L. Everything on the North side of the airport (all DL ops from CRJs to 757s, AA departures/arrivals off B20/22/24/26/28, most UA departures, plus NetJets) uses it.