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Turkish Aviation June 2017

Wed May 31, 2017 1:06 pm

Hello here “Turkish Aviation” fans,
Welcome.
You can find Turkish Aviation May 2017 thread here: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1361907




-Here is the latest and last TK 77W, LJF finally joined the fleet with brand new Turkish made Y seats. Congragulations :)
-So far, still no EU laptop ban. Let’s see how long this will last? TK and others seem to be coping somehow.
-After a 3 year hiatus, IST is again open to charter flights.
-I am sure Yakamoz will give us his latest rundown on the TK fleet situation.
-Borajet no more, let’s see how Pegasus is going to come out of this summer.
-I was passing by SAW today and noticed the new tunnels being built between the current runway and the future second runway. Again it is a huge construction site, just like the rest of Istanbul. It is just crazy to see the amount of construction in and around the city.

Please join us with your views, news, photos, reviews, rumors and good old sense of humor. Please refrain from personal attacks and political mumbo jumbo.
Happy travels and Safe landings to all.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation June 2017

Wed May 31, 2017 2:10 pm

Those new TSI 777 seats look nice. Huge monitors

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Re: Turkish Aviation June 2017

Wed May 31, 2017 2:14 pm

TK787 wrote:
Hello here “Turkish Aviation” fans,
Welcome.
You can find Turkish Aviation May 2017 thread here: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1361907




-Here is the latest and last TK 77W, LJF finally joined the fleet with brand new Turkish made Y seats. Congragulations :)
-So far, still no EU laptop ban. Let’s see how long this will last? TK and others seem to be coping somehow.
-After a 3 year hiatus, IST is again open to charter flights.
-I am sure Yakamoz will give us his latest rundown on the TK fleet situation.
-Borajet no more, let’s see how Pegasus is going to come out of this summer.
-I was passing by SAW today and noticed the new tunnels being built between the current runway and the future second runway. Again it is a huge construction site, just like the rest of Istanbul. It is just crazy to see the amount of construction in and around the city.

Please join us with your views, news, photos, reviews, rumors and good old sense of humor. Please refrain from personal attacks and political mumbo jumbo.
Happy travels and Safe landings to all.


Hey, dear buddy: it's not the TC-LJF it's the the TC-LJK! (30th and last 77W pax version ex-factory fram that TK has taken...). Not to mention the 3 ex-Kenyan AW 3 77W frames (with 400seats)!

SAW is a candidate to become a huger and very effective hub with the addition of the second runway and possibly with a second terminal (in the foreseeable future...), if the Lord and IGA may well wish!... ;) I deliberately mention GA, as they would like to see SAW demolished rather than expanded!...

Look forward to see Yakamoz's posting bit I can tell you in advance the TK fleet now "sucks"!... Well it has to be that way, at least for the S17. Right now they seem to be more concerned with all the hassles and financial burdens when re-locating at the New Istanbul Airport as er the famous Turkish saying: "when the egg reaches the doorstep!" At one end we have the poor but good ol' TK trying to minimise this financial burden; on the other hand you have the IGA Group (constructors and to-be operators of Istanbul New Airport) looking for clients with saliva-dipping mouths and very sharp teeth, wide open. :mrgreen: :roll:

I really wonder as when we may ever see TK's announcement for new/future WB order(s).
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Re: Turkish Aviation June 2017

Wed May 31, 2017 2:36 pm

TC-LJK has finally made its (first?) flight today. Istanbul to Bodrum TK2518!
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation June 2017

Wed May 31, 2017 7:42 pm

lets discuss effects of 3rd airport on TK, what we expect after 2020
On the other hand, I see US, central And South America as source of growth for 2020 onwards but the main issue is lack of a modern bird for thin and Long routes, destinations like Rio, SCL, Montevido or us cities such as Seatle, Vacouver, Denver, Detroit etc , That is the reason for me to insist for 788 but I do not know why TK never interested at bigger planes, at those good days of 2013/14 they were discussing VLA order such ad a380 or b748 despite AHL limitations, lets hope that they consider this fact, maybe some insiders from TK can update us
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Re: Turkish Aviation June 2017

Thu Jun 01, 2017 6:00 am

Any set month or quarter for opening of the new Istanbul airport ?

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Re: Turkish Aviation June 2017

Thu Jun 01, 2017 6:52 am

I am pretty bad when it comes to predictions. Years ago I thought 777 would be too big of a plane for TK :)
I still think VLA is not a good fit for TK. With ample room and no time of day restrictions at the new airport TK will continue to grow with 77X-350 as their LongHaul aircrafts. There will be some room for 250-300 pax aircraft for thin and long routes in the future; just like you mentioned Seattle, Detroit, Las Vegas...who knows Phoenix, Vancouver and with similar destinations like MEX, Lima, Santiago, SYD.
With the arrival of 737Max and 321NEO, TK will be set for the near future for short to medium haul.
So, nothing new for what I think. It is just a matter of time if economy stabilizes, terror threat reduced and TK financial future is predictable we will see a Long Haul order in the next few years.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation June 2017

Thu Jun 01, 2017 7:06 am

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Any set month or quarter for opening of the new Istanbul airport ?

The777Man


The initial opening has to be by the end of October 2018; otherwise IGA Consortium will have to pay penalties to the State for delays. As of our present day knowledge, there will be two runways ready for operation by that time (one 3.750 mt. and the other 4.100 mt.) The 90 million pax capacity terminal can probably become only partly operational. Expected that 3 piers out of the 5 will be ready but there's a discrepancy and ambiguity there: that one of the not to be ready piers is the dedicated one to domestic flights??? The tulip shaped ATC Tower, has to be ready. Don't expect to see any major infrastructure and terminal structure for the Cargo City complex (which will be situated between these two runways already mentioned, as well as numerous MRO facilities...) at the opening date... :cry: :!:

The once-announced 26th February 2018 opening seems to be "forgotten" as per the President's recent speeches... :?

Fully operational status may be achieved by mid-2019; still with 2 runways. Third runway may be expected operational not earlier than mid to end 2020.

Shifting to the New Airport, from Ataturk seems to be a major issue (both as labor force and financial burden) especially for TK.
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Re: Turkish Aviation June 2017

Thu Jun 01, 2017 8:59 am

Pegasus wants to establish a hub in Ankara.Cant see the information as I'm not a pro user.If anyone could share what's behind that would be great
https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... -late-2q17
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation June 2017

Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:08 am

TheGeordielad wrote:
Pegasus wants to establish a hub in Ankara.Cant see the information as I'm not a pro user.If anyone could share what's behind that would be great
https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... -late-2q17

AFAIK, Pegasus is adding 8 more domestic destinations from ESB on top of their current 3. And have plans to add additional International flights out of ESB.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation June 2017

Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:20 am

TK787 wrote:
TheGeordielad wrote:
Pegasus wants to establish a hub in Ankara.Cant see the information as I'm not a pro user.If anyone could share what's behind that would be great
https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... -late-2q17

AFAIK, Pegasus is adding 8 more domestic destinations from ESB on top of their current 3. And have plans to add additional International flights out of ESB.

Thanks that's great.Have many aircraft does Pegasus have based or will base there?
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation June 2017

Thu Jun 01, 2017 3:01 pm

mafaky wrote:
The777Man wrote:
Any set month or quarter for opening of the new Istanbul airport ?

The777Man


The initial opening has to be by the end of October 2018; otherwise IGA Consortium will have to pay penalties to the State for delays. As of our present day knowledge, there will be two runways ready for operation by that time (one 3.750 mt. and the other 4.100 mt.) The 90 million pax capacity terminal can probably become only partly operational. Expected that 3 piers out of the 5 will be ready but there's a discrepancy and ambiguity there: that one of the not to be ready piers is the dedicated one to domestic flights??? The tulip shaped ATC Tower, has to be ready. Don't expect to see any major infrastructure and terminal structure for the Cargo City complex (which will be situated between these two runways already mentioned, as well as numerous MRO facilities...) at the opening date... :cry: :!:

The once-announced 26th February 2018 opening seems to be "forgotten" as per the President's recent speeches... :?

Fully operational status may be achieved by mid-2019; still with 2 runways. Third runway may be expected operational not earlier than mid to end 2020.

Shifting to the New Airport, from Ataturk seems to be a major issue (both as labor force and financial burden) especially for TK.


Thanks for the update !

The new airport should still be much better experience as a passenger and much more efficient for TK.

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Re: Turkish Aviation June 2017

Thu Jun 01, 2017 3:16 pm

TK787 wrote:
Hello here “Turkish Aviation” fans,
Welcome.

-I am sure Yakamoz will give us his latest rundown on the TK fleet situation.


Hoşbulduk. :)

As of today, 30 birds of TK main fleet (totally 295 birds; without any wet-lease and Anadolujet) not flying for more than 2 days:
3 A319, 7 A320, 4 A321, 11 A332, 1 A332F, 1 A343, 3 B738.

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You can see how many days they are on ground in column DoG (Days on Ground).

6 Boeing 737-800 birds have been or will be transferred to Anadolujet.

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AFAIK these birds leave TK fleet or Anadolujet/Sunexpress:

TC-JLM --> AP-BNN Shaheen Air
TC-JLN --> AP-BNO Shaheen Air (painted)
TC-JLP --> AP-BNM Shaheen Air (painted)
TC-JNF --> will leave for?
TC-JNG --> D-AXGG Eurowings (painted and got registration)
TC-JPU --> Viva Colombia (painted)
TC-JPV --> Viva Colombia (painted)
TC-SCD --> Nordwind Airlines (painted)
TC-SCE --> Nordwind Airlines (painted)

Until now, 4 A319 (TC-JUA/JUB/JUD/JLO) and 1 A320 (TC-JAI) has left fleet this year. TK presentation by March 2017 says 7 A319, 7 A320 and 2 A332 will leave this year. However member ist2014 said in Skylife magazine there was only 15 A330-200.

This is my analysis and comparion of TK weekly flights;

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More news:

ACT Cargo has still 1 Boeing 747 Freighter in SHJ since 17.03.2017. Maybe leaving fleet?

Freebird has wet-leased again 3 Airbus A320 to Vietjet Air in Vietnam

Corendon has launched a new Airline in Malta, based in TLV. Named Corendon Europe. 1 B737-800 TC-TJG has been transferred as 9H-TJG to Corendon Europe.

Sunexpress got their last Boeing B737-800 delivery for this year, TC-SOH. Aircraft painted in special livery "Minions"
Boeing 737-800 TC-SNI has been transferred to Sunexpress Germany as D-ASXU.

Pegasus has sold 13 Boeing 737-800 of which some has left the fleet and others will leave until end of summer season.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation June 2017

Fri Jun 02, 2017 12:30 pm

Who can confirm, that Turkish Airlines will lease-out one A330-200 to a South American airline? And if so, which registration will it be?
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation June 2017

Fri Jun 02, 2017 12:38 pm

Hello everyone!

Finally I could manage to login my account so I can start to contribute as well.

I just wondered how many TK planes have an Internet access right now. I know 777s are capable but not sure about A330s. Also, did anyone run a speed test during the flights? Do you think current service is enough for whole leg?

Lastly, which flights are offered with in-flight Wi-Fi service? Can we still use internet on a 777, between LHR-IST?
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation June 2017

Fri Jun 02, 2017 1:32 pm

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Who can confirm, that Turkish Airlines will lease-out one A330-200 to a South American airline? And if so, which registration will it be?

If it's to Conviasa (or any other Venezuelan airline), please remind them to insist on full advance payment....
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation June 2017

Fri Jun 02, 2017 2:05 pm

TC-LNB to Tame
 
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Fri Jun 02, 2017 3:24 pm

One A330 is wet leased to TAME airline,to conduct Quito(UIO) JFK(KJFK) flights.
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Re: Turkish Aviation June 2017

Fri Jun 02, 2017 3:28 pm

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One A330 is wet leased to TAME airline,to conduct Quito(UIO) JFK(KJFK) flights.

Are you going with it?
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Re: Turkish Aviation June 2017

Fri Jun 02, 2017 5:15 pm

TK787 wrote:
Hello here “Turkish Aviation” fans,
Welcome.
You can find Turkish Aviation May 2017 thread here: https://www.airliners.net/forum

-After a 3 year hiatus, IST is again open to charter flights.


Do you happen to know if the vast majority of charters originated in Russia? Is SAW getting too overrun with charters these days?
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation June 2017

Fri Jun 02, 2017 6:16 pm

TK105 wrote:
wing wrote:
One A330 is wet leased to TAME airline,to conduct Quito(UIO) JFK(KJFK) flights.

Are you going with it?


No, I am not.I am not regular line flying.
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Re: Turkish Aviation June 2017

Fri Jun 02, 2017 6:32 pm

I was just checking flights and I'm amazed that on popular routes such as IST-DLM or IST-BJV the (almost) absence of KK and 8Q is astonishing.
Especially on weekends in summer, those flights fill up themselves easily. Instead, TK is charging 350 TRY oneway fares in a more or less monopoly.
Different scenario of course from SAW with PC being the counter force here.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation June 2017

Fri Jun 02, 2017 7:57 pm

Thanks for a new thread TK787.

I stumbled upon a codeshare that I did not know existed today. KK showed a 4 digit flight number on a AF domestic flight from NCE-CDG.
 
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Fri Jun 02, 2017 8:00 pm

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Thanks for a new thread TK787.

I stumbled upon a codeshare that I did not know existed today. KK showed a 4 digit flight number on a AF domestic flight from NCE-CDG.

Yes, it's existing for some time now. KK is even having many routes operated by AF under their codeshare listed on their routemap in their inflight magazine.

Rumour has it KK is very close of becoming a SkyTeam member. Let's see...
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation June 2017

Fri Jun 02, 2017 8:42 pm

KK was headed to OW under invitation of BA, but as typical with KK their businesses plan keeps changing not being able to find a profitable enough niche.

Also alliance membership cost money and requires investment and time to accomplish. Frankly I think they would be better of code sharing with many people.

ps - lets not forget Pegasus has partnership with KLM also
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Re: Turkish Aviation June 2017

Fri Jun 02, 2017 9:25 pm

Years ago, there was a list of TK destinations (maybe LAXintl posted here) about load factors / transfer percentage/ top5 intl transfer cities.

How can I get something like that - any source? Or is a refreshed list of some destinations available?

Thanks!
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation June 2017

Fri Jun 02, 2017 9:40 pm

Onur Air to boost capacity and looking at China services-
https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... na-flights
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation June 2017

Fri Jun 02, 2017 10:14 pm

[twoid][url][/url][/twoid]
TheGeordielad wrote:
Onur Air to boost capacity and looking at China services-
https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... na-flights



Could you quote the text please, i have no pro account for this site. Thanks.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation June 2017

Sat Jun 03, 2017 3:28 am

Yakamoz wrote:
Years ago, there was a list of TK destinations (maybe LAXintl posted here) about load factors / transfer percentage/ top5 intl transfer cities.
How can I get something like that - any source? Or is a refreshed list of some destinations available?


Short of having data from the airline directly, you can also derive info from vendors that sell MIDT or IATA BSP data.

If you have a small number of stations you are curious, I can provide the info.

stylo777 wrote:
I was just checking flights and I'm amazed that on popular routes such as IST-DLM or IST-BJV the (almost) absence of KK and 8Q is astonishing.

Really issue of those guys having small fleet and limited slot holdings at IST. Maybe at the new airport they will broaden their route portfolio.

Btw - Freebird is entering the scheduled service market this year from Gazipasa base, but according to their management the new airport would give them opportunities to fly scheduled from Istanbul also including potential domestic routes.

Yakamoz wrote:
Could you quote the text please, i have no pro account for this site. Thanks.

Its the same story that was in Turkish media last week. Looking at 5-6 more A320 family aircraft plus pair of additional A330s.

Regarding China - its continuation of the deal they had with Chinese partner for flights to points like Chongqing.
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Sat Jun 03, 2017 6:21 am

Quite interesting the strategy of Freebird and certainly one they need some good funds for. They currently have only charter flying on their agenda, so how are they going to transform to a scheduled carrier without an investor behind? PC did the same and so did KK and 8Q. But that was years ago with favorable market conditions.
Btw - I saw a flight on the board at AYT a few weeks ago: FHY from AYT via DEL to SGN. Must be a repositioning, but still quite exotic to tell you the truth.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation June 2017

Sat Jun 03, 2017 7:41 am

Yakamoz wrote:
[twoid][url][/url][/twoid]
TheGeordielad wrote:
Onur Air to boost capacity and looking at China services-
https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... na-flights



Could you quote the text please, i have no pro account for this site. Thanks.

Sorry I don't either.

If anyone else could share wants behind that would be appreciated.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation June 2017

Sat Jun 03, 2017 4:55 pm

An important animation about SAW second runway and other facilities.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMYBbSsd9b0
 
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Sat Jun 03, 2017 5:18 pm

stylo777 wrote:
Quite interesting the strategy of Freebird and certainly one they need some good funds for. They currently have only charter flying on their agenda, so how are they going to transform to a scheduled carrier without an investor behind?


Remember Freebird is owned by Gozen Holdings, so it has various sister companies including a travel agency and sales organization.

Regarding scheduled service yes its a risk, but frankly not that huge of a leap. They already operate largely as an LCC with things like buy on board. Their new website and booking engine is being developed now. Their initial routes from Gazipasa are rather low risk, and essentially conversion of charter routes.
Freebird seems to be following the path of Onur which for ages operated charters to destinations, which have been converted to scheduled service.

So yes strategy changes can be risky, but I dont think these initial small steps are huge leaps. It also helps the two Gozen founders Mete and Mekin are hardly novices in the industry.
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Re: Turkish Aviation June 2017

Sat Jun 03, 2017 9:07 pm

Does any body know range of TKs 321,,332,333s
At the beginning TK was not operating 333 even to Chicago full loaded but now they are operating to Tokyo , Jakarta and Atlanta, so I wonder, are newer birds HGW ?
Same applies for a332s, now they are utilized for long central america flights
As far as i know, leased 332 aand 333 are not used for er flights due to lack of crew rest area bit what is range of these birds
i remember TK was announcing a range of 3350 km many years for a320 and a321, but I know routes longer than 3350!km (ranges are not announced any more)
Can some body help me
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation June 2017

Mon Jun 05, 2017 2:49 pm

Borajet E-190/195 are ordered to be seized.I can't tell you wants behind the text as I'm not a pro user.
https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... ers-seized
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation June 2017

Mon Jun 05, 2017 3:07 pm

As QR is banned using air space of Gulf Countries, this new situation may create new opportunities for TK. If I were in TK management, I would have called QR management to get QR passengers transferred to TK flights where needed.

On the other hand, I'm also effected personally and some of my colleagues are already stranded in DXB who will fly to ESB with QR soon. Looks like I'll be obliged to use IST nightmare.
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Re: Turkish Aviation June 2017

Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:55 pm

I stumbled on this article from April 2017 on the German TK wiki site:

http://www.sueddeutsche.de/wirtschaft/t ... duced=true

It's used as a source for the claim that TK will reduce its fleet of long haul planes from 92 frames now ( apparently -1 Ex Skymark A333 and -1 77W) to 68 frames in 2023. Yet I could not find this information anywhere else, also searched the Q1 2017 board activity report. I'm wondering how much we can trust this. Sueddeutsche is a very trusted and respected news paper in the German speaking countries and regions.

IMO even the title of the article is very pretentious (roughly "statte-controlled descent – customers gone, revenue gone. The Erdoğan friendly CEO manages the shortage"). While there is a lot of good reporting about the political and constitutional shortcomings of present day Turkey there are also a lot of articles just to write something about Turkey kind of like with Trump. Yet in order to name the alleged number of longhaul frames in 2023 he should have credible insider sources to back that up which are apparently nowhere to be found online.
Unfortunately I couldn't read the article as the website won't let me finish signing up for the free 2 weeks subscription. Anyone who knows more on this subject or at least has access to the article?
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation June 2017

Mon Jun 05, 2017 11:07 pm

Yes indeed the TK longhaul fleet shrinks as leased frames are returned.

This info is directly from TK investor website(link below), but it makes zero consideration of additional future new orders, or leases, so in other words its useless item to focus on.
For the record even parts of the narrowbody fleet shrinks by 2023 as for example the entire 737-800WL goes away by 2022.


http://investor.turkishairlines.com/doc ... 017v02.pdf
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Mon Jun 05, 2017 11:29 pm

mercure1 wrote:
Yes indeed the TK longhaul fleet shrinks as leased frames are returned.

This info is directly from TK investor website(link below), but it makes zero consideration of additional future new orders, or leases, so in other words its useless item to focus on.
For the record even parts of the narrowbody fleet shrinks by 2023 as for example the entire 737-800WL goes away by 2022.


http://investor.turkishairlines.com/doc ... 017v02.pdf


Thank you for the link! :) So even if there were no additional aircraft to be added the number is projected to be at 70 and not 68 long haul frames in 2023.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation June 2017

Tue Jun 06, 2017 6:29 am

TK105 wrote:
As QR is banned using air space of Gulf Countries, this new situation may create new opportunities for TK. If I were in TK management, I would have called QR management to get QR passengers transferred to TK flights where needed.



They already have ;) QR are using a few airlines to rebook those stranded passengers and TK is one of those.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation June 2017

Tue Jun 06, 2017 6:33 am

OA260 wrote:
TK105 wrote:
As QR is banned using air space of Gulf Countries, this new situation may create new opportunities for TK. If I were in TK management, I would have called QR management to get QR passengers transferred to TK flights where needed.



They already have ;) QR are using a few airlines to rebook those stranded passengers and TK is one of those.


No apparent increase in frequency or upguaging on IST-DOH-IST though.
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Re: Turkish Aviation June 2017

Tue Jun 06, 2017 8:14 am

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OA260 wrote:
TK105 wrote:
As QR is banned using air space of Gulf Countries, this new situation may create new opportunities for TK. If I were in TK management, I would have called QR management to get QR passengers transferred to TK flights where needed.



They already have ;) QR are using a few airlines to rebook those stranded passengers and TK is one of those.


No apparent increase in frequency or upguaging on IST-DOH-IST though.


I wonder if there will be more cargo flights to DOH via Turkish airports in the next few days ( I dont know the effects of the current ban but for food supplies and etc)
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation June 2017

Tue Jun 06, 2017 5:35 pm

LLA001 wrote:
[email protected] wrote:
OA260 wrote:

They already have ;) QR are using a few airlines to rebook those stranded passengers and TK is one of those.


No apparent increase in frequency or upguaging on IST-DOH-IST though.


I wonder if there will be more cargo flights to DOH via Turkish airports in the next few days ( I dont know the effects of the current ban but for food supplies and etc)


A friend of mine is based in DOH so pretty much reports what everyone else has and that people are clearing the supermarkets of supplies and are quite worried.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation June 2017

Tue Jun 06, 2017 7:26 pm

LLA001 wrote:
I wonder if there will be more cargo flights to DOH via Turkish airports in the next few days ( I dont know the effects of the current ban but for food supplies and etc)


If this ban is going to last for some considerable period of time, you may likely see an air bridge operation between Turkey and DOH. Qatari AF has 4 C-17s in their fleet and we may likely see them coming to Turkey to carry out more food supplies. But in the more unlikely and undesirable circumstances that a military clash starts between Qatar and the Saudi, we may likely see those C-17s carrying Turkish troops and weaponary to defend Qatar!... :banghead: :o
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Re: Turkish Aviation June 2017

Tue Jun 06, 2017 8:11 pm

THY748i wrote:
I stumbled on this article from April 2017 on the German TK wiki site:

http://www.sueddeutsche.de/wirtschaft/t ... duced=true

It's used as a source for the claim that TK will reduce its fleet of long haul planes from 92 frames now ( apparently -1 Ex Skymark A333 and -1 77W) to 68 frames in 2023. Yet I could not find this information anywhere else, also searched the Q1 2017 board activity report. I'm wondering how much we can trust this. Sueddeutsche is a very trusted and respected news paper in the German speaking countries and regions.

IMO even the title of the article is very pretentious (roughly "statte-controlled descent – customers gone, revenue gone. The Erdoğan friendly CEO manages the shortage"). While there is a lot of good reporting about the political and constitutional shortcomings of present day Turkey there are also a lot of articles just to write something about Turkey kind of like with Trump. Yet in order to name the alleged number of longhaul frames in 2023 he should have credible insider sources to back that up which are apparently nowhere to be found online.
Unfortunately I couldn't read the article as the website won't let me finish signing up for the free 2 weeks subscription. Anyone who knows more on this subject or at least has access to the article?

Bear in mind that this article is from Apr '17; actually published only two days prior the referandum. Consider the tension and environment all around Turkey, Turkish companies and Turkish politics during that time. SZ is indeed a very credible source, but Erdogan was not really "friendly" and "cozy" with Germany thus the possible influence of negative media... just my two cents on this
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation June 2017

Tue Jun 06, 2017 8:16 pm

mafaky wrote:
LLA001 wrote:
I wonder if there will be more cargo flights to DOH via Turkish airports in the next few days ( I dont know the effects of the current ban but for food supplies and etc)


If this ban is going to last for some considerable period of time, you may likely see an air bridge operation between Turkey and DOH. Qatari AF has 4 C-17s in their fleet and we may likely see them coming to Turkey to carry out more food supplies. But in the more unlikely and undesirable circumstances that a military clash starts between Qatar and the Saudi, we may likely see those C-17s carrying Turkish troops and weaponary to defend Qatar!... :banghead: :o

To be honest, I'm quite sure that this Qatar-Bulls.. will be all over in a couple of days. I see it as an ego-game on the highest level. Good for TK to receive some unexpected additional hundreds of bookings through their hub and I would certainly upgauge the plane to 333/77W in these days, but other than that it is probably not different to any other irreg situation where one airline cancels flights and the others are there to help out (e.g. BA IT trouble quite recently).
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation June 2017

Wed Jun 07, 2017 8:42 pm

stylo777 wrote:
THY748i wrote:
I stumbled on this article from April 2017 on the German TK wiki site:

http://www.sueddeutsche.de/wirtschaft/t ... duced=true

It's used as a source for the claim that TK will reduce its fleet of long haul planes from 92 frames now ( apparently -1 Ex Skymark A333 and -1 77W) to 68 frames in 2023. Yet I could not find this information anywhere else, also searched the Q1 2017 board activity report. I'm wondering how much we can trust this. Sueddeutsche is a very trusted and respected news paper in the German speaking countries and regions.

IMO even the title of the article is very pretentious (roughly "statte-controlled descent – customers gone, revenue gone. The Erdoğan friendly CEO manages the shortage"). While there is a lot of good reporting about the political and constitutional shortcomings of present day Turkey there are also a lot of articles just to write something about Turkey kind of like with Trump. Yet in order to name the alleged number of longhaul frames in 2023 he should have credible insider sources to back that up which are apparently nowhere to be found online.
Unfortunately I couldn't read the article as the website won't let me finish signing up for the free 2 weeks subscription. Anyone who knows more on this subject or at least has access to the article?

Bear in mind that this article is from Apr '17; actually published only two days prior the referandum. Consider the tension and environment all around Turkey, Turkish companies and Turkish politics during that time. SZ is indeed a very credible source, but Erdogan was not really "friendly" and "cozy" with Germany thus the possible influence of negative media... just my two cents on this

Yep, makes perfect sense. It was even published one day before the referendum
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation June 2017

Wed Jun 07, 2017 10:42 pm

Here are the growth numbers for the 5 biggest airports in Turkey for May '16 / '17

MAY '16 / MAY '17

IST: DOM -10,0 % INT +2,5 % TOTAL -1,7 %
SAW: DOM +0,2 % INT +2,2 % TOTAL +0,8 %
ESB: DOM +5,4 % INT +29,3 % TOTAL +7,9 %
ADB: DOM +1,9 % INT -8,3 % TOTAL +0,1 %
AYT: DOM +0,1 % INT +56,7 % TOTAL +36,8 %

Numbers for JAN-MAY '16 / JAN-MAY '17 can be found here: http://www.dhmi.gov.tr/istatistik.aspx

Growth rates at AYT for international passengers are absolutely amazing! It's up by 26 % compared to the first five months of 2016. I knew there were a lot of charters from Russia, Ukraine etc. but that many? Wow! Looking at numbers from the ministry of culture and tourism, while tourism from Europe OECD has slightly decreased by 4 percent points over the period JAN-APR 16/JAN-APR 17 but there has been moderate growth for tourism from key countries like Germany, UK, Belgium and Austria. Not surprisingly tourism from the Netherlands plunged by nearly 30 %. Tourism from Russia is up by 485 %! Tourism in total is up by 18,1 %.

What's up with IST domestic traffic though? Did TK shift that much more capacity to Anadolujet and thus to SAW and ESB? Other reasons?
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation June 2017

Thu Jun 08, 2017 3:37 am

wing wrote:
One A330 is wet leased to TAME airline,to conduct Quito(UIO) JFK(KJFK) flights.


The Star Alliance A332 is the one that went to Ecuador (TC-LNB) to fly EQ550/1 (the Quito-New York route), while TAME's own A332 was ferried to Switzerland for a heavy check. This is a 2-month lease for TK. Who is providing the operations of the plane...EQ or TK?
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation June 2017

Thu Jun 08, 2017 3:38 am

aemoreira1981 wrote:
wing wrote:
One A330 is wet leased to TAME airline,to conduct Quito(UIO) JFK(KJFK) flights.


The Star Alliance A332 is the one that went to Ecuador (TC-LNB) to fly EQ550/1 (the Quito-New York route), while TAME's own A332 was ferried to Switzerland for a heavy check. This is a 2-month lease for TK. Who is providing the operations of the plane...EQ or TK?


It's a wet-lease. There were 500 applications from the TK crew to go to Ecuador with the aircraft.

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