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horizon360
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I thought CX's 744's were retired?

Sat Jun 03, 2017 3:29 am

I watched the 'last' CX 747 flight through Victoria Harbour last year (https://www.cathaypacific.com/cx/en_HK/ ... yover.html) so I was surprised to see a CX 744 taking off from HKG last week. I though it was just a one-off or a repositioning flight but after a quick check on Flightaware it seems that CX is flying a 744 regularly to KIX and ICN. Does anyone know whats going on? Is it still in regular passenger service?
 
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Re: I thought CX's 744's were retired?

Sat Jun 03, 2017 3:48 am

horizon360 wrote:
I watched the 'last' CX 747 flight through Victoria Harbour last year (https://www.cathaypacific.com/cx/en_HK/ ... yover.html) so I was surprised to see a CX 744 taking off from HKG last week. I though it was just a one-off or a repositioning flight but after a quick check on Flightaware it seems that CX is flying a 744 regularly to KIX and ICN. Does anyone know whats going on? Is it still in regular passenger service?


These are freighter flights.
 
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Re: I thought CX's 744's were retired?

Sat Jun 03, 2017 4:02 am

CX036 (Hong Kong/Osaka/Incheon) Is a freight flight with the 747 dedicated freighter.
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Re: I thought CX's 744's were retired?

Sat Jun 03, 2017 4:03 am

CX still operates 6 B747-400ERF and 1 B747-400BCF. 5 of the ERFs have been repainted in the new livery while the remaining 1 ERF and BCF are in the old livery.
Im not too familiar with the CX Cargo schedule, but the BCF runs regional services only while the ERF occasionally flies to ANC.
 
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Re: I thought CX's 744's were retired?

Sat Jun 03, 2017 4:27 am

That would explain it, thanks all! I saw the extended upper deck and thought it was a regular passenger 747-400. I mistakenly thought CX only used the 747F cargo model with the shortened upper deck.
 
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Re: I thought CX's 744's were retired?

Sat Jun 03, 2017 4:36 am

No also BCFs
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Re: I thought CX's 744's were retired?

Sat Jun 03, 2017 5:50 am

horizon360 wrote:
That would explain it, thanks all! I saw the extended upper deck and thought it was a regular passenger 747-400. I mistakenly thought CX only used the 747F cargo model with the shortened upper deck.


I believe CX has a single 744BCF remaining in the fleet.
 
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Re: I thought CX's 744's were retired?

Sat Jun 03, 2017 8:57 am

VRHNM wrote:
CX still operates 6 B747-400ERF and 1 B747-400BCF. 5 of the ERFs have been repainted in the new livery while the remaining 1 ERF and BCF are in the old livery.
Im not too familiar with the CX Cargo schedule, but the BCF runs regional services only while the ERF occasionally flies to ANC.

Also 14x 747-8F

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Re: I thought CX's 744's were retired?

Sat Jun 03, 2017 9:01 am

I have seen one landing at CDG yesterday (Friday).
 
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Re: I thought CX's 744's were retired?

Sat Jun 03, 2017 9:25 am

VRHNM wrote:
CX still operates 6 B747-400ERF and 1 B747-400BCF. 5 of the ERFs have been repainted in the new livery while the remaining 1 ERF and BCF are in the old livery.
Im not too familiar with the CX Cargo schedule, but the BCF runs regional services only while the ERF occasionally flies to ANC.


The 744ERFs still do the occasional NA rotation but the majority of those runs are indeed solely 748Fs.
 
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Re: I thought CX's 744's were retired?

Sat Jun 03, 2017 12:58 pm

zeke wrote:
No also BCFs


B-HKX is still active, its a B747-412BCF
 
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Re: I thought CX's 744's were retired?

Sun Jun 04, 2017 7:27 am

B-HKX will soon transfer to Air Hong Kong. That will be the end of BCFs in CX.
 
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Re: I thought CX's 744's were retired?

Sun Jun 04, 2017 5:28 pm

Atlas Air signed an ACMI deal to operate freighter routes for Cathay. There are stories of short crew and financial problems at CX Cargo. A poorly run freight operation.
 
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Re: I thought CX's 744's were retired?

Sun Jun 04, 2017 9:44 pm

b747400erf wrote:
Atlas Air signed an ACMI deal to operate freighter routes for Cathay. There are stories of short crew and financial problems at CX Cargo. A poorly run freight operation.


Can we see these stories? I did see a 5X 748 operating a CX flight the other day.
 
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Re: I thought CX's 744's were retired?

Mon Jun 05, 2017 4:52 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
b747400erf wrote:
Atlas Air signed an ACMI deal to operate freighter routes for Cathay. There are stories of short crew and financial problems at CX Cargo. A poorly run freight operation.


Can we see these stories? I did see a 5X 748 operating a CX flight the other day.


5Y I think you mean!

Details are scant about the deal to operate for CX but as mentionned, the lease has started and Cx management are saying it is the start of a long term relationship between the two carriers with an aim to expand the deal in future. Pretty vague.

There have been a lot of rumours about the future of Cathay Cargo, including operations possibly being hived off to Air Hong Kong. With the company structure being reorganised at the moment it is not clear where the future of CX Cargo will be, but they have already made an amendment to the announced new management stucture which fold the cargo operation into a different department instead of having a stand-alone "cargo director" position. Whether that is a clue or not it is hard to say right now. They have said that the cargo side of the business is doing fairly well at the moment and continuing to improve. We are very short of pilots overall including on the freighter fleet, hence the Atlas wet-lease.
 
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Re: I thought CX's 744's were retired?

Mon Jun 05, 2017 5:12 am

CX Flyboy wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
b747400erf wrote:
Atlas Air signed an ACMI deal to operate freighter routes for Cathay. There are stories of short crew and financial problems at CX Cargo. A poorly run freight operation.


Can we see these stories? I did see a 5X 748 operating a CX flight the other day.


5Y I think you mean!

Details are scant about the deal to operate for CX but as mentionned, the lease has started and Cx management are saying it is the start of a long term relationship between the two carriers with an aim to expand the deal in future. Pretty vague.

There have been a lot of rumours about the future of Cathay Cargo, including operations possibly being hived off to Air Hong Kong. With the company structure being reorganised at the moment it is not clear where the future of CX Cargo will be, but they have already made an amendment to the announced new management stucture which fold the cargo operation into a different department instead of having a stand-alone "cargo director" position. Whether that is a clue or not it is hard to say right now. They have said that the cargo side of the business is doing fairly well at the moment and continuing to improve. We are very short of pilots overall including on the freighter fleet, hence the Atlas wet-lease.


5Y yes sorry.

Always Interesting considering CX cargo just took 14 748F's and parked the 744F and BCF fleet. To then hear they may not be doing that well is kind of weird. SQ cargo on the other hand have shrunk the freighter fleet by more than half.
 
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Re: I thought CX's 744's were retired?

Wed Jun 07, 2017 10:23 am

I think many pure-freighter operators are feeling the pressure from the belly cargo capabilities of the 777-300ER. Emirates seem to fly everywhere to everywhere and with a mini-freighter in the belly of a 77W. It is hard now to get enough freight to flll a 747-8F consistently and profitably however the cargo market is picking up as seen by the need for CX to wet-lease in more lift.

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