Good afternoon everyone
For those who do not know or have not seen UK airlines Flybe and Eastern Airways have announced a 5 year franchise agreement starting Q3/2017.
http://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.insider ... 568455.amp
Should be an interesting development and see how both airlines can complement a d develop each other.
Also as a side note Eastern Airways (T3) will receive a brand new ATR72-600 in September.
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and competing on original LOG routes... will only end one way.
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"Flybe declares post marital jihad on Loganair" more like. Time to get the popcorn out methinks !
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Finally. Some real competition. I recall EDISYY when bmiR operated it. Fares came down. When they left they jumped up even with the ADS discount.
Loganair have had it good for a long time. I also don't believe in this 'coming home' nonsense which just plays into the nationalists. Loganair never went anywhere to come home from.
It's going to take more than a bit tartan on the tail and a Tunnocks tea cake to get through this one.
Indeed. Popcorn at the ready.
Loganair have had it good for a long time. I also don't believe in this 'coming home' nonsense which just plays into the nationalists. Loganair never went anywhere to come home from.
It's going to take more than a bit tartan on the tail and a Tunnocks tea cake to get through this one.
Indeed. Popcorn at the ready.
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Does anyone know what the four aircraft are? I seriously doubt Easterns E170's will be offered for these routes, but perhaps their E145's could be used? Loganair operate Saab 340's and Saab 2000's on the routes that are up for the head to head competition.
I fly from SYY often, so more choice is a good thing.
I fly from SYY often, so more choice is a good thing.
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I wonder if this Eastern Airways - flybe agreement is similar to that between themselves and BA CityFlyer.
Eastern Airways have two Saab 2000s painted in full BA livery. They are both usually dedicated to the three times daily IOM-LCY-IOM rotations. Usually one aircraft operates these flights with the second parked (as back-up?) at IOM. Currently it is G-CDKA operating while the other aircraft (G-CDEB) has been with Saab at ORB (Orebro) undergoing maintenance since 2 June. (Line maintenance on these aircraft is usually carried out by Eastern at ABZ.)
Eastern also have an all-white E-170 (G-CIXW) dedicated to BA CityFlyer operations. It operates the three times daily DUS-LCY-DUS and the once weekly LCY-EGC (Bergerac) - LCY and LCY-UIP (Quimper) - LCY rotations. There is no dedicated back-up for this aircraft. However Eastern have substituted sister ship 'XV (painted in their own livery) when necessary. The last time this substitution was made was between 3 and 5 June.
Eastern Airways have two Saab 2000s painted in full BA livery. They are both usually dedicated to the three times daily IOM-LCY-IOM rotations. Usually one aircraft operates these flights with the second parked (as back-up?) at IOM. Currently it is G-CDKA operating while the other aircraft (G-CDEB) has been with Saab at ORB (Orebro) undergoing maintenance since 2 June. (Line maintenance on these aircraft is usually carried out by Eastern at ABZ.)
Eastern also have an all-white E-170 (G-CIXW) dedicated to BA CityFlyer operations. It operates the three times daily DUS-LCY-DUS and the once weekly LCY-EGC (Bergerac) - LCY and LCY-UIP (Quimper) - LCY rotations. There is no dedicated back-up for this aircraft. However Eastern have substituted sister ship 'XV (painted in their own livery) when necessary. The last time this substitution was made was between 3 and 5 June.
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Interesting, and this week Eastern have been operating the BA flights to DUS from LCY with E170.
http://thebasource.com/
http://thebasource.com/
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readytotaxi wrote:Interesting, and this week Eastern have been operating the BA flights to DUS from LCY with E170.
http://thebasource.com/
Look above
There was already great information by vv701
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Good news for passengers (for how long though, is debatable).
Price war breaks out on Scottish islands flights
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-n ... d-40530550
Price war breaks out on Scottish islands flights
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-n ... d-40530550
A price war has broken out on some air services to the Northern and the Western Isles.
As Flybe prepares to go head to head with Loganair from the beginning of September, some flights from Stornoway to Glasgow are on sale for just £50.
The airlines have jointly operated routes across the Highlands and islands under a franchise agreement since 2008.
But last year Flybe announced that it was terminating its contract with the Scottish airline from 31 August.
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Isn't the new Loganair CEO ex Eastern??
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How many ATRs are they receiving?
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TheGeordielad wrote:How many ATRs are they receiving?
Who's receiving ATR's ?
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You can see a US mainline airline consolidation 'style' project coming amongst the UK based regional flyers.
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Looks like an E-170 will be used on the Shetland routes to ABZ x 3 daily, EDI x 1 daily and GLA x 1 daily.
http://www.shetnews.co.uk/news/14901-fl ... to-islands
No indication, that I can find, of the aircraft they intend to use on the other routes they will be competing with Loganair on.
http://www.shetnews.co.uk/news/14901-fl ... to-islands
No indication, that I can find, of the aircraft they intend to use on the other routes they will be competing with Loganair on.
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JannEejit wrote:TheGeordielad wrote:How many ATRs are they receiving?
Who's receiving ATR's ?
Eastern. Someone says above.
But I'm guessing it's just one
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Flybe are trying to do to Loganair what they did to Air Southwest. Quite how T3 expect to make money on BE fare levels which are MUCH lower is an interesting concept. This is simply flybe trying to kill Loganair, if they succeed, there will be a cull of routes the following day.
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T3 has 1 ATR due in September and the second one due in first quarter of 2018. These will be ABZ based for the Shetland routes. Supported by the Saab's.
The J41's are very cheap to operate so easy to make money on. The use of the Saab 2000 to MAN from GLA and ABZ replaces the current loganair 2000.
A J41 and E170 maybe painted into flybe colours. I am waiting to hear for this to be confirmed.
The J41's are very cheap to operate so easy to make money on. The use of the Saab 2000 to MAN from GLA and ABZ replaces the current loganair 2000.
A J41 and E170 maybe painted into flybe colours. I am waiting to hear for this to be confirmed.
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Is the T3 op going flybe franchise or just the selected Scottish routes. It's not too clear.....
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Full flybe franchise, however, Eastern crews will continue with their onboard service and products, no purple uniforms (so far), and only two aircraft that maybe painted
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Very interesting, what happened between loganair and flybe for flybe to launch a full scale attack on loganair?
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EZEflyerEMB wrote:Full flybe franchise, however, Eastern crews will continue with their onboard service and products, no purple uniforms (so far), and only two aircraft that maybe painted
I thought there were no plans for repainting T3 aircraft into BE livery? Do you know which type(s) will/might get the purple treatment?
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How can it be a full franchise if they're only painting two aircraft? Eastern is a full fare business airline charging astronomical money on niche routes for businessmen, not, in all honesty a great flybe fit unless fares fall dramatically. This genuinely makes little sense to me. Those J41s need high fares to keep em flying.
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Loganair CEO Jonathan Hinkle, appeared on BBC Alba's Gaelic news programme 'An Lá' the other night, stating Flybe's aggressive competition will have a knock on effect on Loganair's fleet renewal plan, saying the current plan will likely be put on hold.
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skipness1E wrote:How can it be a full franchise if they're only painting two aircraft? Eastern is a full fare business airline charging astronomical money on niche routes for businessmen, not, in all honesty a great flybe fit unless fares fall dramatically. This genuinely makes little sense to me. Those J41s need high fares to keep em flying.
Loganair just repainted G-LGNK into the new tartan scheme, less than a year after painting it into Flybe purple. Perhaps an accountant somewhere is taking note of all this unnecessary respraying ?
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Oh, what a doomed, ill-thought, shambolick operation this seems...and quite frankly done in bad faith? Certainly as a short term 'competition wipeout' trial.. I mean, competition is good, but you really have to get to grips with what the real numbers are out there...
And why, would FlyBe need to resort to [expensive] Eastern Airways to operate these services? I was under the impression they sit on a far too big fleet and were looking to expand in order to put THEIR own frames to good use? Or is it a case of 'trying anything out there' because the restructuring is not going too well?
FlyBe has left me puzzled a number of times, with the many ill-starts, unaccomplished revolutions, changes and re-thinks... They seem to have gone full circle and back many times; but despite claiming to be the UK's largest domestic player they seem to lack a clear strategy...
And why, would FlyBe need to resort to [expensive] Eastern Airways to operate these services? I was under the impression they sit on a far too big fleet and were looking to expand in order to put THEIR own frames to good use? Or is it a case of 'trying anything out there' because the restructuring is not going too well?
FlyBe has left me puzzled a number of times, with the many ill-starts, unaccomplished revolutions, changes and re-thinks... They seem to have gone full circle and back many times; but despite claiming to be the UK's largest domestic player they seem to lack a clear strategy...
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EZEEMBFlyer, I think you are very wide of the mark in some of your comments:
MAN-GLA is published as a J41 and I don't see any sign of Flybe giving MAN-ABZ to Eastern to operate? I think the ABZ-based Q400 crews would have something to say about that! And it will not "replace" the current Loganair 2000 in any way - they have made it very clear that they will still be on the routes, so it is as well as - and not instead of - the Loganair service, surely?
In-flight service is apparently going to mirror Flybe's.
The use of the Saab 2000 to MAN from GLA and ABZ replaces the current loganair 2000.
MAN-GLA is published as a J41 and I don't see any sign of Flybe giving MAN-ABZ to Eastern to operate? I think the ABZ-based Q400 crews would have something to say about that! And it will not "replace" the current Loganair 2000 in any way - they have made it very clear that they will still be on the routes, so it is as well as - and not instead of - the Loganair service, surely?
Full flybe franchise, however, Eastern crews will continue with their onboard service and products, no purple uniforms (so far), and only two aircraft that maybe painted
In-flight service is apparently going to mirror Flybe's.
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BE/T3 to use J41 on GLA-SYY route:
"Flybe brings “genuine competition” on the Stornoway - Glasgow route, the airline told a public meeting.
Vincent Hodder, Flybe’s chief revenue officer, highlighted its cheapest £50 one-way tickets are “not introductory specials” but will be available all year round under the company’s “long term viable pricing” structure.
“Because of high prices” presently charged by Loganair, “people are choosing not to travel,” he told the forum in Stornoway town hall.
Yet “low prices stimulates extra traffic,” was the message he repeatedly emphasised while Flybe offers “good value fares across the board.”
He is convinced people will travel more often on the route as a result of Flybe’s presence, leading to lower fares.
This is already happening as both carriers compete for market share.
Highlighting one particular example, passenger numbers exploded by 400% on the Melbourne - Gold Coast route in Australia when challengers took on a legacy airline, he said.
Islander Murdo Gray raised concerns of prices being hiked up if one operator was forced off the route.
Mr Hodder said Flybe had a monopoly on 80% of its routes yet “our average fare is about £50” and low prices are offered consistently across the year.
“There is no need for us to put in extraordinary high fares.”
He added: “We are coming into this market to provide a better service at a lower price.”
Flybe will operate the service under joint venture with Eastern Airways which means an 29-seater Eastern Jetstream 41 turboprop aircraft will be used while Flybe can set the fares and control the quality of service.
This is distinctly different to the franchise arrangement it is axing with Loganair where the long running problems with planes and punctuality were out of its hands, he indicated.
Nevertheless, Flybe’s reputation unfairly took a beating because the flights were branded under its name, he said."
http://www.hebrides-news.com/flybe-pled ... 17817.html
"Flybe brings “genuine competition” on the Stornoway - Glasgow route, the airline told a public meeting.
Vincent Hodder, Flybe’s chief revenue officer, highlighted its cheapest £50 one-way tickets are “not introductory specials” but will be available all year round under the company’s “long term viable pricing” structure.
“Because of high prices” presently charged by Loganair, “people are choosing not to travel,” he told the forum in Stornoway town hall.
Yet “low prices stimulates extra traffic,” was the message he repeatedly emphasised while Flybe offers “good value fares across the board.”
He is convinced people will travel more often on the route as a result of Flybe’s presence, leading to lower fares.
This is already happening as both carriers compete for market share.
Highlighting one particular example, passenger numbers exploded by 400% on the Melbourne - Gold Coast route in Australia when challengers took on a legacy airline, he said.
Islander Murdo Gray raised concerns of prices being hiked up if one operator was forced off the route.
Mr Hodder said Flybe had a monopoly on 80% of its routes yet “our average fare is about £50” and low prices are offered consistently across the year.
“There is no need for us to put in extraordinary high fares.”
He added: “We are coming into this market to provide a better service at a lower price.”
Flybe will operate the service under joint venture with Eastern Airways which means an 29-seater Eastern Jetstream 41 turboprop aircraft will be used while Flybe can set the fares and control the quality of service.
This is distinctly different to the franchise arrangement it is axing with Loganair where the long running problems with planes and punctuality were out of its hands, he indicated.
Nevertheless, Flybe’s reputation unfairly took a beating because the flights were branded under its name, he said."
http://www.hebrides-news.com/flybe-pled ... 17817.html
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This is bonkers. It's a high fare market because they have to fly 36 seat SF340s to make it work, suddenly flying 29 seat J41s won't change that. It's a predatory move by flybe, if they want low prices they need the Q400 and higher volume, which in this market, you won't get IMHO. Mr Hodder is technically correct but the idea that flying the J41, and paying Eastern rates t make it profitable for them to do so whist a the same time driving down fares makes commrercial sense? Not so sure on that score
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It's either (a) a genuine attempt to grow the market with lower fares or (b) an aggressive move against Loganair.
As it is being operated by J41s and not their Dash-8s, then I agree with Skipness1E that (b) is much more likely.
As it is being operated by J41s and not their Dash-8s, then I agree with Skipness1E that (b) is much more likely.
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Latest update, the GLA based aircraft being a J41 and S20 will be painted in Flybe colours, with CC wearing full flybe uniform. A E170 will be based in ABZ to operate LSI flights with a rotation to GLA and EDI on a daily basis 1-5 not seen the weekend schedule yet. A/C won't be painted as yet, crew will be in full flybe uniform. A S20 will operate 1 rotation per day ABZ-MAN currently under discussion.
The rest of the eastern schedule will operate with flybe flight number and Jersey callsign, crew to remain in Eastern uniform, with a different tie/scarf. All services will be BOB and pay for hold luggage, all flights will be sold through Flybe's distribution network and I believe code share agreement also being discussed with Eastern partner wideroe
The rest of the eastern schedule will operate with flybe flight number and Jersey callsign, crew to remain in Eastern uniform, with a different tie/scarf. All services will be BOB and pay for hold luggage, all flights will be sold through Flybe's distribution network and I believe code share agreement also being discussed with Eastern partner wideroe
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