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Why are E170/175 windows misaligned?

Wed Jun 07, 2017 5:07 pm

I've flown on DL E175s before and it seams like no matter what seat I sit in........ the window is misaligned. What's the deal?
 
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Re: Why are E170/175 windows misaligned?

Wed Jun 07, 2017 5:11 pm

Embraer designed and spaced them so that each row in an all Y class configuration gets a window. When you start throwing in First class and Y+ (classes not found on most RJs ~10+ years ago) the alignment gets all screwed up.
 
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Re: Why are E170/175 windows misaligned?

Wed Jun 07, 2017 6:28 pm

Polot wrote:
Embraer designed and spaced them so that each row in an all Y class configuration gets a window. When you start throwing in First class and Y+ (classes not found on most RJs ~10+ years ago) the alignment gets all screwed up.


Well, all windows doesn't align on most E-jet operators with one class seating neither
 
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Re: Why are E170/175 windows misaligned?

Wed Jun 07, 2017 6:40 pm

The airline can put the seats wherever they want on he tracks.
 
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Re: Why are E170/175 windows misaligned?

Wed Jun 07, 2017 6:44 pm

E was too smart for their own good. One window per row, at 32" spacing, if you put the seats exactly as they intended in an all Y.

Except they didn't factor in 2 class, ultra dense or scope clause limited aircraft. So now most have small, misaligned windows. It's a major flaw in an otherwise great plane.
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Re: Why are E170/175 windows misaligned?

Wed Jun 07, 2017 7:07 pm

Plus, when they were built they were space 32" apart, as seat pitch has dropped to 30-31" apart, and sometimes less. Even if they could have centered the plane, so the rows toward the front and back are only a little off, but as others have said, First, and Y+ throw off the front of the plane, so everyone it seems is out of sync. I love Embraer's huge windows, but I do wish it didn't come at the expense of spacing.
 
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Re: Why are E170/175 windows misaligned?

Wed Jun 07, 2017 7:09 pm

32andBelow wrote:
The airline can put the seats wherever they want on he tracks.


Then the airlines should be required to put the windows on a track as well. ;-)
 
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Re: Why are E170/175 windows misaligned?

Wed Jun 07, 2017 7:12 pm

So strange. I just looked at seatguru for DL E175, all Y- window seats say misaligned window. That sucks. My last flight on an AS/OO E175 I was in 8A and had a perfect view. Don't know about the rest of the plane.
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Re: Why are E170/175 windows misaligned?

Wed Jun 07, 2017 7:28 pm

I've flown on AA's E175s and E190 and windows are indeed misaligned in Y.
I noticed that the further to the front of Y, the smaller the misalignment though. Rows 7, 8 & 9 tend to have pretty much aligned windows (or very little misaligned). I also remember the the last rows in the back also have a smaller misalignment compared to the center portion of the plane.

It's a shame these great planes have this flaw.
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Re: Why are E170/175 windows misaligned?

Wed Jun 07, 2017 7:30 pm

ikramerica wrote:
Except they didn't factor in 2 class, ultra dense or scope clause limited aircraft. So now most have small, misaligned windows. It's a major flaw in an otherwise great plane.


Help me with "major flaw." What is a window configuration that does not have this "major flaw?" It seems to me that any aircraft where multiple seating configurations are possible has the same issue.
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Re: Why are E170/175 windows misaligned?

Wed Jun 07, 2017 8:34 pm

The fuselage frames had to be irregularly spaced to accommodate the perfectly aligned windows (with a 32" pitch). So the irony is that it was likely costly in terms of engineering effort and aircraft weight to have them. :banghead:
 
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Re: Why are E170/175 windows misaligned?

Wed Jun 07, 2017 9:35 pm

This is the issue I have with flying on CRJs or anything built by Embraer. They space their windows out too much. I did a trip once on an E90 then two CRJs,and then the last flight on the A320neo and when I got on the A320 I wasn't used the number of windows because I had become so used to planes with hardly any windows.
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Re: Why are E170/175 windows misaligned?

Thu Jun 08, 2017 12:51 am

This happens on 737s and every type that single a single density
 
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Re: Why are E170/175 windows misaligned?

Thu Jun 08, 2017 1:03 am

Cubsrule wrote:
ikramerica wrote:
Except they didn't factor in 2 class, ultra dense or scope clause limited aircraft. So now most have small, misaligned windows. It's a major flaw in an otherwise great plane.


Help me with "major flaw." What is a window configuration that does not have this "major flaw?" It seems to me that any aircraft where multiple seating configurations are possible has the same issue.

It's one window per row. Often the window is so far forward you can't look out without putting your head against the seat in front. Other aircraft have more windows so they are misaligned but it's usually easy to look out one of the two windows in your row.
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Re: Why are E170/175 windows misaligned?

Thu Jun 08, 2017 1:10 am

ikramerica wrote:
Cubsrule wrote:
ikramerica wrote:
Except they didn't factor in 2 class, ultra dense or scope clause limited aircraft. So now most have small, misaligned windows. It's a major flaw in an otherwise great plane.


Help me with "major flaw." What is a window configuration that does not have this "major flaw?" It seems to me that any aircraft where multiple seating configurations are possible has the same issue.

It's one window per row. Often the window is so far forward you can't look out without putting your head against the seat in front. Other aircraft have more windows so they are misaligned but it's usually easy to look out one of the two windows in your row.


Fair, though I would note that the windows are pretty large.
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Re: Why are E170/175 windows misaligned?

Thu Jun 08, 2017 1:47 am

ikramerica wrote:
It's one window per row.


or one window between each two frames (which have 16 inches between each other)
 
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Re: Why are E170/175 windows misaligned?

Thu Jun 08, 2017 1:48 am

queb wrote:
ikramerica wrote:
It's one window per row.


or one window between each two frames (which have 20 inches between each other)

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