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Could Meridiana Be Italy's New Main Airline?

Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 9:05 pm
by MLIAA
With the potential and (possible) imminent collapse of Alitalia, Meridiana would be Italy's largest (Italian-based) carrier. Could we see major growth from Meridiana to cover the lost AZ flying?

Re: Could Meridiana Be Italy's New Main Airline?

Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 1:39 am
by Samrnpage
Doubtful in my opinion.

Re: Could Meridiana Be Italy's New Main Airline?

Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 2:15 am
by hz747300
Could be but not officially. I flew them on a very old MD-80 (ex-AA, I think) and from row 5 I could hear the autoland altitude countdown from the cockpit. I don't know how the new planes look, but the image should be polished a little bit. Good service though!

Re: Could Meridiana Be Italy's New Main Airline?

Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 3:43 pm
by lightsaber
It will be Ryanair. As much as Patriots might want a home airline, FR, Wizz, and U2 will take the short haul.

Lightsaber

Re: Could Meridiana Be Italy's New Main Airline?

Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 3:48 pm
by ACCS300
They're poised to renew most of their fleet, 20 737 MAX 8's on order, should spruce things up a little.

Re: Could Meridiana Be Italy's New Main Airline?

Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 3:49 pm
by SFOATLFlyer
Somehow I think AZ will rise out of the flames as they have done before, in a slight different type of carrier, then fall apart again a few years later.

Re: Could Meridiana Be Italy's New Main Airline?

Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 3:54 pm
by oldannyboy
Let's hope not guys. IG is a pretty terrible airline, with a pretty crappy customer service record. Abysmal, really..

Re: Could Meridiana Be Italy's New Main Airline?

Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 4:00 pm
by anstar
Isn't Ryanair already the largest airline in Italy?

Re: Could Meridiana Be Italy's New Main Airline?

Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 7:32 pm
by PatrickZ80
They might be the largest airline flying under Italian flag, but not the largest airline in Italy. After all Meridiana is a pretty small airline. Their MD-80s are on the way out by the way, slowly being replaced with newer aircraft.

If Alitalia disappears Meridiana is one of the two remaining Italian airlines still offering long haul service, Blue Panorama being the other one. But both of them only got a few long haul aircraft so not much routes. Still I don't think Italy will end up without long haul routes. Norwegian and Level will jump in this hole.

Re: Could Meridiana Be Italy's New Main Airline?

Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 7:34 pm
by lesfalls
PatrickZ80 wrote:
They might be the largest airline flying under Italian flag, but not the largest airline in Italy. After all Meridiana is a pretty small airline. Their MD-80s are on the way out by the way, slowly being replaced with newer aircraft.

If Alitalia disappears Meridiana is one of the two remaining Italian airlines still offering long haul service, Blue Panorama being the other one. But both of them only got a few long haul aircraft so not much routes. Still I don't think Italy will end up without long haul routes. Norwegian and Level will jump in this hole.

There is also Neos which operates longhaul flights.

Re: Could Meridiana Be Italy's New Main Airline?

Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 8:33 pm
by Cunard
NEOS is a charter airline partly owned by TUI it is not a scheduled airline so doesn't count.

Re: Could Meridiana Be Italy's New Main Airline?

Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:25 pm
by AAIRLINERS
hz747300 wrote:
Could be but not officially. I flew them on a very old MD-80 (ex-AA, I think) and from row 5 I could hear the autoland altitude countdown from the cockpit. I don't know how the new planes look, but the image should be polished a little bit. Good service though!


OK, but having piloted them for 10 years I was always told you could hear them from the front cabin...even when they were brand new.

Re: Could Meridiana Be Italy's New Main Airline?

Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:20 am
by hz747300
AAIRLINERS wrote:
hz747300 wrote:
Could be but not officially. I flew them on a very old MD-80 (ex-AA, I think) and from row 5 I could hear the autoland altitude countdown from the cockpit. I don't know how the new planes look, but the image should be polished a little bit. Good service though!


OK, but having piloted them for 10 years I was always told you could hear them from the front cabin...even when they were brand new.


Perhaps they could have a location feature retrofitted, so on touchdown it could say "Preggo! Preggo!"

Re: Could Meridiana Be Italy's New Main Airline?

Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:35 am
by aerorobnz
I reckon Norwegian would try and jump in on longhaul out of Italy if Alitalia goes. Famous Italians on the tail could make for a bloody big fleet.
Start with Julius Caesar, Gaius Octavius (Augustus), Leonardi Da Vinci, Enzo Ferrari, Sophia Petrillo (;-))

Re: Could Meridiana Be Italy's New Main Airline?

Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:52 am
by TheGeordielad
aerorobnz wrote:
I reckon Norwegian would try and jump in on longhaul out of Italy if Alitalia goes. Famous Italians on the tail could make for a bloody big fleet.
Start with Julius Caesar, Gaius Octavius (Augustus), Leonardi Da Vinci, Enzo Ferrari, Sophia Petrillo (;-))

Norwegian are opening a long haul base at Rome flying to Fort Lauderdale,Newark and Oakland

Re: Could Meridiana Be Italy's New Main Airline?

Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 6:42 am
by downtown273
How significant is VY in Italy?

Re: Could Meridiana Be Italy's New Main Airline?

Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 6:45 am
by TheGeordielad
downtown273 wrote:
How significant is VY in Italy?

Base wise I believe they just have 2 bases (could be wrong) at Florence and Rome with Rome being the 2nd largest Vueling base after Barcelona.

Re: Could Meridiana Be Italy's New Main Airline?

Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 7:12 am
by AsoRock
MLIAA wrote:
With the potential and (possible) imminent collapse of Alitalia, Meridiana would be Italy's largest (Italian-based) carrier. Could we see major growth from Meridiana to cover the lost AZ flying?


Interesting observation. This is perhaps what Qatar Airways was eyeing afterall, a chance to dominate the Italian market without getting into the mess of reviving Alitalia! Smart move if you ask me. Also, with a new fleet ad synergies with Qatar Airways, this could be a recipe for success unlike some of the ventures Etihad has pursued.

Re: Could Meridiana Be Italy's New Main Airline?

Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:24 am
by aerorobnz
TheGeordielad wrote:
aerorobnz wrote:
I reckon Norwegian would try and jump in on longhaul out of Italy if Alitalia goes. Famous Italians on the tail could make for a bloody big fleet.
Start with Julius Caesar, Gaius Octavius (Augustus), Leonardi Da Vinci, Enzo Ferrari, Sophia Petrillo (;-))

Norwegian are opening a long haul base at Rome flying to Fort Lauderdale,Newark and Oakland

Exactly. They already see potential, so they will only be opening up a lot more if Alitalia goes. FCO-EZE springs to mind

Re: Could Meridiana Be Italy's New Main Airline?

Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:08 am
by LPSHobby
isn´t Meridiana owned by Qatar? If yes, they have money so, why couldn´t them with this money jump to a big expansion following an Alitalia demise?

Re: Could Meridiana Be Italy's New Main Airline?

Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:45 am
by Waterbomber
IG is in a worse state than AZ.
That's what most here don't realise.

QR is most likely getting their 49% stake in IG for next to nothing, but have to take on their debt.
Also, QR is hesitating IMO, as they were supposed to close the purchase 8 months ago, but it's still pending.
IMO QR also made a bid on AZ and are prepared to dump IG for it.

While many here think that LCC's will venture and dominate Italy, this won't be the case.
LCC's have come and gone, struggled and closed bases in the past. U2 has struggled to grow their MXP base and failed on LIN-FCO, FR is struggling to grow as their yields are not where they would like them to be.

Even LIN that many here consider to be the holy grail, while yield-driven, has too little volume to offer and is already captured quite well by existing oprations. There is little growth to be had there.

Even if AZ goes, there isn't much market to take for the long haul LCC's. AZ has struggled to make long haul profitable because of a weak premium demand. Milan is not a Frankfurt and Rome is just very leisure and low yields. In the end, Level or DY will struggle without a major feeding network in FCO.

The problem with the Italian market is that while Italy is a great place to visit, the demand is parsed all over the country and the demand for the Italian market is very opportunistic when it comes to fares. 100 Euro's return to visit Rome, everyone is on board. Make it 200 and everyone goes to Madrid. There is demand and volume, the profit margins are just much lower and resources are better utilised elsewhere where the demand and volume is lower but profit margins are bigger.
Last but not least, the market is very seasonal. You make money between June and September, the rest of the year you can park the planes and plant potatoes.

Re: Could Meridiana Be Italy's New Main Airline?

Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 12:02 pm
by SKAirbus
I think the best solution for AZ would be to do a Swissair or Sabena - Although hopefully in a more controlled and less bankrupty fashion.

I.e. close down the airline and replace it with a new, smaller, more efficient operation. Staff can be rehired on new contracts with lower salaries, and leases taken over on newer more efficient aircraft. Swiss and Brussels Airlines seem to be doing ok at the moment as part of the Lufthansa Group. Maybe a new AZ could be part of IAG or Air France KLM?