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AWACSooner wrote:The only things keeping SWF from being a great reliever airport for the NYC area are the lack of adequate public transportation down the river to the city and the insanely small terminal.
spinkid wrote:On a side note. I looked at applying for gate agent work at SWF. It starts at minimum wage. Ouch!
Varsity1 wrote:spinkid wrote:On a side note. I looked at applying for gate agent work at SWF. It starts at minimum wage. Ouch!
This is the 'secret' to Norwegian. Horrendous pay.
The 737 positions pay less than US regionals do.
RTW00 wrote:What inaugural aircraft they will be operating on 15th June as 737 MAX delivery is till end of the month? Can their other 737 fly that route?
hibtastic wrote:Great to hear that Norwegian are happy with the pre-launch sales. I have booked an EDI-SWF return for a great price in February and I'm looking forward to it.
TheGeordielad wrote:I think more uk destinations could be added.Possibly even Cork but that unlikely as it's quite close to both Shannon and Dublin.
UK destinations I can see being added are MAN,BHX,GLA,CWF,NCL however could the MAX fly as far as AMS or HAM?
drdisque wrote:SWF-LPA is within range, but not many Americans know about the Canary Islands. That being said not that many Americans had much desire to travel to Martinique or Guadelupe and those flights are apparently doing well. They could also try somewhere in Portugal.
AWACSooner wrote:The only things keeping SWF from being a great reliever airport for the NYC area are the lack of adequate public transportation down the river to the city and the insanely small terminal.
smallvoyageur wrote:SWF reminds me of Paris' third airport Beauvais BVA which is trying to copying, both are ex-military and both are tiny marquee-like facilities. However, once BVA was established, it has now grown to France's 10th biggest airport. Possible route, although Norwegian doesn't have any planes based in BVA as their routes are to ORY and CDG.
BENAir01 wrote:I have friends who live in westchester county and for us JFK/LGA/EWR tend to be our go to airports but they are spending a week in Ireland In the fall so booked SWF-SNN. I was very excited to hear! It actually takes much less time to get to then, say, JFK.
SCQ83 wrote:I don't think a train connection is necessary. Major Ryanair airports like BGY (10M PAX) or CRL (7M PAX) work only with coaches. If SWF becomes a major Norwegian hub in the future, I could see coaches on a 30-60' basis (like CRL) to Manhattan and even additional lines (several times a day) to other areas in the immediate region.
hibtastic wrote:RTW00 wrote:What inaugural aircraft they will be operating on 15th June as 737 MAX delivery is till end of the month? Can their other 737 fly that route?
I believe it is 73H EI-FHY that is currently based at EDI. It will operate the TATL flights as a 150 seater until the MAX8s arrive.
Natflyer wrote:TheGeordielad wrote:drdisque wrote:SWF-LPA is within range, but not many Americans know about the Canary Islands. That being said not that many Americans had much desire to travel to Martinique or Guadelupe and those flights are apparently doing well. They could also try somewhere in Portugal.
Not really. Reality of the thing (MAX) is that you can not put 189 pax + bags onboard and fill the tanks. It is a short haul airplane any which way people try ti spin it.
Norwegian is not going to make any profit with 150 pax in a 737-800. But they rarely make profit anyway.
jnev3289 wrote:The public transportation part can be fixed fairly easily, the terminal part would come if numbers sustained themselves I bet
stlgph wrote:jnev3289 wrote:The public transportation part can be fixed fairly easily, the terminal part would come if numbers sustained themselves I bet
And how would you fix it.
ty97 wrote:SCQ83 wrote:I don't think a train connection is necessary. Major Ryanair airports like BGY (10M PAX) or CRL (7M PAX) work only with coaches. If SWF becomes a major Norwegian hub in the future, I could see coaches on a 30-60' basis (like CRL) to Manhattan and even additional lines (several times a day) to other areas in the immediate region.
For something like Norwegian service, agreed, the bus might (should?) work. The reference to train connection was if SWF ever wants to be a full-service fourth NYC airport as oppose to operating niche service like Norwegian plus the less than 10 domestic flights they have per day (all of which are on planes with 100 or less seats). If SWF ever gets a good, fast, reliable connection to the city, it could grow it's flight portfolio potentially, not just to Europe.
jnev3289 wrote:stlgph wrote:jnev3289 wrote:The public transportation part can be fixed fairly easily, the terminal part would come if numbers sustained themselves I bet
And how would you fix it.
More of the current buses
stlgph wrote:jnev3289 wrote:stlgph wrote:
And how would you fix it.
More of the current buses
While buses from midtown are a natural idea I just wonder if a bus service from the nearby Metro North station would work.
Of course that means trekking across the city or subway to get on a train to get on a bus to get on a plane which sounds like a total abortion but Port Authority is a total mess all the damn time and there's so much Hudson Yards construction as it is anyway.
BUT, people will do just about anything to save a buck these days.
tphuang wrote:Unbelievable, not going to work. I don't think people on this thread truly appreciate how much New Yorkers would not travel to places that they can't get to by subway, local train or uber.
Norwegian can keep filling their flights at sub $200 one way tickets and keep losing money. Can't wait to see their earning report a year from now. I don't know who in new York would pay like 300 one way to squeeze in a 737 filled with 190 people.
tphuang wrote:How many people from new York City take subway to port authority and then board those buses to Woodbury Commons instead of shopping at Macy's or centuy 21? It's the same idea.
Nobody does it. Most of those buses carry tourists.
Here is another question, how many New Yorkers have taken metronorth in the past year?
SCQ83 wrote:I don't think a train connection is necessary. Major Ryanair airports like BGY (10M PAX) or CRL (7M PAX) work only with coaches.
L410Turbolet wrote:SCQ83 wrote:I don't think a train connection is necessary. Major Ryanair airports like BGY (10M PAX) or CRL (7M PAX) work only with coaches.
Bergamo airport is well connected by a city bus line (15 minutes ride, 2 €) with a proper train station where frequent trains take you all over northern Italy. There are numerous bus lines departing from the airport to various destinations within the greater Milano area.
There is also a train station in Charleroi afaik.
One bus line from SWF and zero alternatives is quite disappointing... at least from this side of the ocean where (PRG, TXL, VIE, BUD) budget conscious traveler can fly to JFK/EWR for 400-500 EUR 10 months in a year out of 12.
stlgph wrote:Numerous New Yorkers in the city itself take Metro North for whatever the reason. No different than the folks taking LIRR or NJT out to Jamaica or Newark.
stlgph wrote:jnev3289 wrote:stlgph wrote:
And how would you fix it.
More of the current buses
While buses from midtown are a natural idea I just wonder if a bus service from the nearby Metro North station would work.
Of course that means trekking across the city or subway to get on a train to get on a bus to get on a plane which sounds like a total abortion but Port Authority is a total mess all the damn time and there's so much Hudson Yards construction as it is anyway.
BUT, people will do just about anything to save a buck these days.
DaveFly wrote:I live right by SWF, so I hope it's a success.
There are several pluses:
Theairport is quiet and vastly underutilized.
There is a dedicated bus to midtown Manhattan.
There is a shuttle to the Beacon railroad station, which travels directly to Grand Central Station.
The Hudson Valley is one of the fastest-growing NYC suburbs. Huge corporate and tourism opportunities.
The drawbacks:
JFK/EWR/LGA have vastly more options to go anywhere.
The fares on Norwegian aren't that great unless there's a promotion. I placed a hold on four tickets to Dublin/Shannon, along with a CIE
tour. It was very expensive. We chose Colorado instead (SWF-DTW-DEN) for one-quarter of the cost.