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Re: Lufthansa to base 5 A380s at MUC

Tue Jun 13, 2017 5:48 pm

Overlooked is LH starting service to SAN next summer.
 
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Re: Lufthansa to base 5 A380s at MUC

Tue Jun 13, 2017 5:56 pm

Would have loved to see some 748-Is out of MUC -- as it's the airport I fly out of most often :)
 
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Re: Lufthansa to base 5 A380s at MUC

Tue Jun 13, 2017 5:57 pm

910A wrote:
Overlooked is LH starting service to SAN next summer.


How is that over looked?
This thread is about placing aircraft at a hub.
 
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Re: Lufthansa to base 5 A380s at MUC

Tue Jun 13, 2017 6:00 pm

They're upping ORD from daily to 10x weekly as well from MUC. Maybe they're switching to a350 and/or an a380 to ORD (if T1 can handle it). T1 handles the 748 from FRA and that's longer..
 
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Re: Lufthansa to base 5 A380s at MUC

Tue Jun 13, 2017 6:03 pm

thomasphoto60 wrote:
Miami wrote:
I'm curious to see which routes from FRA that serve with an A380 will be replaced.

Curious about this myself, getting a bad vibe about IAH.


Wouldnt surprise me if IAH got cut as it is a hub-hub route with multiple frequencies which can be upgauged if needed. Furthermore, I guess FRA-IAH is mostly for connections which can be flown through other hubs if LH removes the A380 on FRA-IAH.
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Re: Lufthansa to base 5 A380s at MUC

Tue Jun 13, 2017 6:21 pm

The choice of those destinations is not surprising as they have the highest potential for capacity and demand. Also, aircraft can get routed thru those cities for maintenance exchange as others like AA for instance do in HKG. Last but not least, joint-ventures with CA, UA and CX make it revenue-wise extremely attractive as well.

I expect that the A380 from FRA to those cities remain, but others will be downgauged to 748/346. JFK, MIA and IAH are the first on my list to receive the 748 with same premium capacity of A380, but less economy seats. PVG, SIN and DEL are quite unlikely for the very same reason, because economy demand on those routes is probably much higher.
 
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Re: Lufthansa to base 5 A380s at MUC

Tue Jun 13, 2017 6:39 pm

stylo777 wrote:
The choice of those destinations is not surprising as they have the highest potential for capacity and demand. Also, aircraft can get routed thru those cities for maintenance exchange as others like AA for instance do in HKG. Last but not least, joint-ventures with CA, UA and CX make it revenue-wise extremely attractive as well.

I expect that the A380 from FRA to those cities remain, but others will be downgauged to 748/346. JFK, MIA and IAH are the first on my list to receive the 748 with same premium capacity of A380, but less economy seats. PVG, SIN and DEL are quite unlikely for the very same reason, because economy demand on those routes is probably much higher.


JFK/EWR already gets 2x748i (last I checked), plus the one A388. Would not be surprised if they go 3x748i, or add the A346 if they've had problems filling the whale, but given LH has had the A388 on that route without any real interruption for a number of years I would be surprised if that is one that gets downgauged
 
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Re: Lufthansa to base 5 A380s at MUC

Tue Jun 13, 2017 6:47 pm

LH pretty much sells out in each direction on FRA-MIA with the A380. Going to the A346 or 748 will sadly be a big downgrade unless they plan on going 2 daily. Which they've been planning to do so for sometime now.
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Re: Lufthansa to base 5 A380s at MUC

Tue Jun 13, 2017 6:58 pm

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LH might be in situation like Air France where the A380 are assigned to the least bad choice of route. Aircraft is far too big and less than optimal for most AF markets, but the fleet must be kept busy so its sent to where it would be the least disruptive for revenues and yield.

This is probably not the right thread to discuss this topic but I think AF's inability to make the A380 work has more to do with AF's shortcomings than the aircraft being too large. I find it hard to believe that an airline based in the World's 6th largest economy (and an only airline for all intents and purposes), the second largest tourism market in the World, and with a hub right in the middle of an area with half a billion in population, can't make money on only 10 A380's.
 
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Re: Lufthansa to base 5 A380s at MUC

Tue Jun 13, 2017 7:20 pm

Miami wrote:
LH pretty much sells out in each direction on FRA-MIA with the A380. Going to the A346 or 748 will sadly be a big downgrade unless they plan on going 2 daily. Which they've been planning to do so for sometime now.


I would agree that we will hopefully will see some extra frequencies (such as the announced FRA-MAN and FRA-DUB increase) on certain routes out of FRA as well as new routes (such as announced FRA-SAN). Note that this would also make a lots of sense in regards to occupying slots in FRA knowing that hourly capacity will be further increased, too. Also LH could be blocking slots against possible FR growth at FRA.

So the decision to base 5 A380s at MUC seems great news for MUC, but I doubt that it was all because of the current dissatisfaction with Fraport. There have been rumors that AA might Start MUC-LAX and also CX is interessted in MUC-HKG ... by using the A380 it will be much harder to open a new route against LH now.
 
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Re: Lufthansa to base 5 A380s at MUC

Tue Jun 13, 2017 7:39 pm

I wonder where the 346 will fly to. 1 1/2 Aircraft will be needed for BOG which I assume will get 346 service again.
Maybe the seasonal FRA-ORD I would love to see YVR and/or SEA back on the 340 fleet
 
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Re: Lufthansa to base 5 A380s at MUC

Tue Jun 13, 2017 7:45 pm

cityshuttle wrote:
Miami wrote:
LH pretty much sells out in each direction on FRA-MIA with the A380. Going to the A346 or 748 will sadly be a big downgrade unless they plan on going 2 daily. Which they've been planning to do so for sometime now.


I would agree that we will hopefully will see some extra frequencies (such as the announced FRA-MAN and FRA-DUB increase) on certain routes out of FRA as well as new routes (such as announced FRA-SAN). Note that this would also make a lots of sense in regards to occupying slots in FRA knowing that hourly capacity will be further increased, too. Also LH could be blocking slots against possible FR growth at FRA.

So the decision to base 5 A380s at MUC seems great news for MUC, but I doubt that it was all because of the current dissatisfaction with Fraport. There have been rumors that AA might Start MUC-LAX and also CX is interessted in MUC-HKG ... by using the A380 it will be much harder to open a new route against LH now.

I doubt AA would start LAX-MUC when the only transatlantic market they're in from LAX is LHR. if anything they'd start DFW-MUC, a route that neither LH nor AA serve.

that said I like this news a lot
 
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Re: New Lufthansa intercontinental routes

Tue Jun 13, 2017 7:45 pm

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TheGeordielad wrote:
trijetsonly wrote:
By now, does Lufthansa have any First Class offering from MUC?

With the A380s goeing to MUC, will Lufthansa reintroduce First Class again on certain routes or are they going to remove the First Class from the A380?

All A333&346s have First class.


Only the 346! 333s lost them this winter.

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Re: Lufthansa to base 5 A380s at MUC

Tue Jun 13, 2017 8:17 pm

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There have been rumors that AA might Start MUC-LAX


Surely you mean UA?
 
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Re: New Lufthansa intercontinental routes

Tue Jun 13, 2017 8:22 pm

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Also, weren't they planning to up-gauge the FRA BOM flight to 748 or 388?


They can't since BOM only has one A380 gate which is used for EK500/501 the time that Lufthansa flight is at the airport. Also pretty sure LH only fly 744 to BOM, the 748 goes to BLR.

I do think that FRA-BOM is underserved market. I don't seen 9W start BOM-FRA since it is essentially ST now. Perhaps a second flight by LH (perferably 3x/wk to start) BOM-FRA on the A343 or A359 could work? (DEL can manage a daily LH A380 and daily AI 788.)
 
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Re: Lufthansa to base 5 A380s at MUC

Tue Jun 13, 2017 8:31 pm

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I would have never expected this move. The largest Lufthansa aircraft at MUC is the A340-600. I wouldn't think the load factors would be good enough for the A380 at MUC, if the A340-600 is the largest aircraft operating there.



I agree. Also to add....the A340-600 was the only a/c in LH's fleet that had the range to get to the west coast - (I'm sure if the A333 could do it OR if they kept the 332 that is what they would use)-so it was always a more by default case than actually needing to satisfy capacity. It should also be noted that the A350 was supposed to replace the A346 on these routes in coming years (which backs this thesis). So an A380? Thats a HUGE capacity increase.
 
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Re: New Lufthansa intercontinental routes

Tue Jun 13, 2017 8:42 pm

Renowned German business newspaper Wirtschaftswoche clearly states that the move of the A380s to MUC is at least partially a punitive measure by LH against FRA airport due to a disagreement concerning passenger fees:
http://www.wiwo.de/unternehmen/dienstle ... 29124.html

Another factor might be the shiny new satellite terminal in MUC opened last year, which I myself had the opportunity to use a few weeks ago. (BTW, connected with an autonomous subway under the apron, a first in Germany.) Overall, personally I find MUC to be superior from a customer perspective compared to FRA.

Also, it might not be a coincidence that in local Munich / Bavarian politics, the debate concerning a third runway for MUC has seemingly been reopened in the last few months, regardless of the negative outcome of the referendum a few years ago.
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Re: New Lufthansa intercontinental routes

Tue Jun 13, 2017 8:48 pm

N14AZ wrote:
There are so many questions, e.g.
1.) sufficient gates for five A380s?


The new MUC terminal 2 satellite opened last year alone added 11 further A380-capable gates, AFAIK (cf. Wikipedia).
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Re: New Lufthansa intercontinental routes

Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:27 pm

TheGeordielad wrote:
Ok but no need for the !


What a weird thing to say. Nothing wrong with an exclamation point.
 
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Re: Lufthansa to base 5 A380s at MUC

Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:38 pm

Also something I feel like I need to add here. With the A380, Lufthansa has often replaced the 747 with on some routes. New York used to be a 747 before getting the A380, along with Miami, Houston, San Francisco, etc. An A380 doesn't replace an most of the time. An 777 (like what Emirates does), or a 747, it makes sense. But not for an A340.
 
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Re: New Lufthansa intercontinental routes

Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:41 pm

Irehdna wrote:
GamingPolaris wrote:
What flights are losing the Airbus A380-800 and what will they be replaced with?


Don't know. I know there are some FRA routes that are seasonally A388 like MIA, DEL, JNB. They could be permanently B748 after this move.


MIA is year-round and it has been for sometime now.
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Re: New Lufthansa intercontinental routes

Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:47 pm

Condor just launched San Diego, and now Lufthansa will fly there in the future. The market must be kind of big then.

Even before an increase in Chicago and re-launching flights to Singapore, Lufthansa added Denver and Tehran as new long haul flights. Sao Paulo also got cut in the process.

The A380 in Munich was unexpected. The largest aircraft in Munich is the A340-600. Lufthansa upgraded A380 flights from Frankfurt that had the 747, like SFO for example. Going from an A340-600 to an A380 is a HUGE increase in seats.

Otherwise, will Lufthansa resume flights between Munich and Sao Paulo in the future?
 
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Re: New Lufthansa intercontinental routes

Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:52 pm

Whatever happened to MUC-GRU? That was supposed to be a temporary suspension, but it seems indefinite at this point.
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Re: Lufthansa to base 5 A380s at MUC

Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:57 pm

mercure1 wrote:
LH might be in situation like Air France where the A380 are assigned to the least bad choice of route. Aircraft is far too big and less than optimal for most AF markets, but the fleet must be kept busy so its sent to where it would be the least disruptive for revenues and yield.


Just because 2 operators, MH and AF can't fill their A380's, everybody assumes no other airlines can fill there's.
 
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Re: New Lufthansa intercontinental routes

Tue Jun 13, 2017 10:54 pm

Irehdna wrote:
sq421 wrote:
Also, weren't they planning to up-gauge the FRA BOM flight to 748 or 388?


They can't since BOM only has one A380 gate which is used for EK500/501 the time that Lufthansa flight is at the airport.



That's not true anymore - BOM has got additional A380 gates since the new Eastern pier at T2 was opened. I believe 3 A380s can be operated simultaneously now, IIRC.
 
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Re: Lufthansa to base 5 A380s at MUC

Tue Jun 13, 2017 11:27 pm

thomasphoto60 wrote:
Miami wrote:
I'm curious to see which routes from FRA that serve with an A380 will be replaced.

Curious about this myself, getting a bad vibe about IAH.

I am too. I used to work for LH as an agent and in the winter flights would barely be half full. But the summer was ALWAYS packed. Interesting times ahead.

Where are the A346s that will be displaced going?
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Re: New Lufthansa intercontinental routes

Tue Jun 13, 2017 11:32 pm

Nice to see more MUC operations, far superior experience than FRA.
 
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Re: New Lufthansa intercontinental routes

Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:02 am

NichCage wrote:
Otherwise, will Lufthansa resume flights between Munich and Sao Paulo in the future?

incitatus wrote:
Whatever happened to MUC-GRU? That was supposed to be a temporary suspension, but it seems indefinite at this point.


Gone. Victim to the Brazilian crisis and trash yields. It may return at some point, depending on how politics & economics evolve. Until such time, the LH Group covers GRU with a daily 748 from FRA on LH, and a daily 343 from ZRH on LX.
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Re: New Lufthansa intercontinental routes

Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:22 am

NichCage wrote:
Condor just launched San Diego, and now Lufthansa will fly there in the future. The market must be kind of big then.

Even before an increase in Chicago and re-launching flights to Singapore, Lufthansa added Denver and Tehran as new long haul flights. Sao Paulo also got cut in the process.

The A380 in Munich was unexpected. The largest aircraft in Munich is the A340-600. Lufthansa upgraded A380 flights from Frankfurt that had the 747, like SFO for example. Going from an A340-600 to an A380 is a HUGE increase in seats.

Otherwise, will Lufthansa resume flights between Munich and Sao Paulo in the future?



It might be a huge increase in capacity but you mustn't forget that unlike CDG and LHR the traffic to FRA is far less O/D and since FRA and MUC are co-located so close together, think of IAD and EWR for instance in doesn't really matter for the average transfer passenger whether they are funnelled through FRA or MUC or ZRH for that matter. LH Group hubs FRA, MUC, ZRH, DUS, CGN, BRU and VIE are incredibly close together in global terms which is great leverage for the airline but also a burden to a certain extent.
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Re: Lufthansa to base 5 A380s at MUC

Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:38 am

B747forever wrote:
Cool, so we will have 2x daily A380s from LH next summer at LAX. Wonder if they still will add the 2nd daily rotation from FRA on the 748i now that MUC gets the A380. Maybe something for UA and the 788 to take over?


Exactly what I was thinking. I would say a 789 or 772 though if UA was to take over an LH frequency. Pretty big capacity gap between a 748 and a 788.
 
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Re: New Lufthansa intercontinental routes

Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:41 am

Do those of you in the know or with some insight into these things have any idea of which equipment is likely to be used on the SAN service? Is it likely to be a Jump/CityLine service or a proper LH flight? Why wouldn't the announcement include this info? Is it possible that LH management hasn't yet decided?
 
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Re: New Lufthansa intercontinental routes

Wed Jun 14, 2017 1:56 am

PanHAM wrote:
MUC passed FRA with O&D traffic and MUC is located in one of the wealthiest regions in Europe. They will get high Speed rail Access and the layout of the Airport is, due to greenfield Location, better shaped than FRA. MUC is far from being a wilderness. Most important for LH, the costs at MUC are said to be 20% less than FRA's costs.


I think that Lufthansa has changed its strategy due two factors:
    the development at Air Berlin;
    the lack of space for growth at FRA in the long term.

Munich can never be Rhein-Main, but it does not need to. Lufthansa is investing at CGN and will have to invest in DUS once Air Berlin is out of the picture.
The issue is really how sustaining CGN/DUS-FRA routes is not feasible, so Lufthansa will have to invest in the airports in NRW, weakening FRA in the process, so that no competitor can develop itself out the ashes of Air Berlin.
Except for STR/NUE-MUC, all other airports can be served from MUC, so in the end, it is no longer a problem to work in the process of strengthening MUC, because the passengers that connect with Lufthansa don't have strong preferences between FRA and MUC.
Lufthansa is clearly going for a strategy in which all three major Rhenish airports (FRA/CGN/DUS) will go for a more O&D profile, while MUC will be developed to take more connecting traffic.
 
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Re: New Lufthansa intercontinental routes

Wed Jun 14, 2017 2:13 am

No offense to the D's (DFW & DTW), LH will not be starting flights from your airport to MUC.

DTW: DL does it seasonally, and not a * hub.
DFW: AA doesn't do it, and not a * hub.

No market for LH.
 
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Re: Lufthansa to base 5 A380s at MUC

Wed Jun 14, 2017 8:04 am

TWA772LR wrote:
Where are the A346s that will be displaced going?

I just read in a German newspaper that the A346s based in MUC, will go to FRA.
 
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Re: New Lufthansa intercontinental routes

Wed Jun 14, 2017 8:19 am

"MUC and LH inaugurate new T2 satellite terminal"

Weeks later...

"LH shifts 5xA380 to MUC"

Coincidence? I don't think so. This was planned all along, but LH is making creative use of the timing to "punish" Fraport for accepting FR.
 
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Re: New Lufthansa intercontinental routes

Wed Jun 14, 2017 8:33 am

r2rho wrote:
"MUC and LH inaugurate new T2 satellite terminal"

Weeks later...

"LH shifts 5xA380 to MUC"

Coincidence? I don't think so. This was planned all along, but LH is making creative use of the timing to "punish" Fraport for accepting FR.

This is mentioned in this article: https://www.ovb-online.de/bayern/luftha ... 01992.html

Am erst ein Jahr alten Satelliten-Gebäude des Terminals 2 werden Handwerker anrücken: Es gibt vier A 380-fähige Positionen, die aber ausgebaut werden müssen.


I don't get it: they say the satelite terminal has four A380-positions but now additional works are necessary.
 
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Re: New Lufthansa intercontinental routes

Wed Jun 14, 2017 9:02 am

@ CO10T3

there is space for growth at FRA, some 200K movements as well as for at least 35 Million Pax, rather more when T3 opens. That is ample space and capacity. MUC has similar potentials once rinway 3 is built.

At the end of the day, both Airports will benefit from LH's decision to qualify MUC as equal primary hub.
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Re: New Lufthansa intercontinental routes

Wed Jun 14, 2017 10:05 am

PanHAM wrote:
@ CO10T3

there is space for growth at FRA, some 200K movements as well as for at least 35 Million Pax, rather more when T3 opens. That is ample space and capacity. MUC has similar potentials once rinway 3 is built.

At the end of the day, both Airports will benefit from LH's decision to qualify MUC as equal primary hub.


I'm fully aware of that, but I am also fully aware that Fraport's plans are subpar for an airline hub. T3 will be great, but only for the competition, not for LH.

If Fraport ever bulldozes Concourse C and Terminal 2 and mirror Z and A on that side, they might start making it possible for Lufthansa to expand properly, but the layout of Terminal 1 is already a challenge as it is. The people mover should be rethought.

In every corner I turn at FRA, I can see things that do work properly today, but are not at all zukunftstauglich.
 
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Re: New Lufthansa intercontinental routes

Wed Jun 14, 2017 10:24 am

So what about MUC-SIN? A359?
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Re: Lufthansa to base 5 A380s at MUC

Wed Jun 14, 2017 10:31 am

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I would have never expected this move. The largest Lufthansa aircraft at MUC is the A340-600. I wouldn't think the load factors would be good enough for the A380 at MUC, if the A340-600 is the largest aircraft operating there.


What would be your next size up? The A340-600 is slightly larger and lifts more than the 777-300ER. About the same size as the 747-400, but more premium heavy at LH.

So to size up would be either the 747-8i or the A380 and the A380 it will be. The 747-8i is the bird with the most premium seats at LH, whereas the A380 has a lot more W and Y seating.
 
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Re: New Lufthansa intercontinental routes

Wed Jun 14, 2017 10:41 am

One of the main differences between FRA and MUC are the fully independent runways at MUC. Yes, FRA has four runways compared to the two at MUC, but they are not all fully independent. Runway West, 18 is of little use, leaves the three 07/25. 07L/25R is fully independent of the other two, but 07C/25C and 07R/25L are not fully independent of each other.

I assume that MUC gets its third runway sometime in the future and could than bypass FRA in capacity.
 
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Wed Jun 14, 2017 10:45 am

@ CO10T3
the Chance to make FRA fit for he future was missed in the late 70s with the wrog decision to build runway 18. But I would be a wise guy ignoring the presence of Rhein-Main AB who simply made an Atlanta styke pattern impossible then. While ATL was re-built in the 70s, FRA had another Chance with the new northernly runway. tp comvert ATL style. That Chance is gobe as well and that's why FRA has to cope with the Situation as is. While MUC enjoys a layout which is fit for the future. FRA never had the realistic Chance to go that way.
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Re: New Lufthansa intercontinental routes

Wed Jun 14, 2017 11:36 am

I assume that MUC gets its third runway sometime in the future and could than bypass FRA in capacity.


With the 4th runway, FRA was said supposed to be able to handle 120 ops/hour. That is also the capacity MUC would have with the 3rd runway, maybe even a bit more. So they should end up roughly equal. But MUC's layout allows for more simple and seamless ops, while FRA requires some "creativity". FRA's strict curfew is also a major deal-breaker, which MUC does not suffer.
 
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Re: New Lufthansa intercontinental routes

Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:42 pm

NZ321 wrote:
So what about MUC-SIN? A359?


Yes it will be operated by A359

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Re: New Lufthansa intercontinental routes

Wed Jun 14, 2017 3:09 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
Here's the press release:

http://newsroom.lufthansagroup.com/en/n ... 2/458.html

Good news for Airbus A380 Fans in Munich: Starting in summer 2018, Lufthansa will introduce the Airbus A380 in Munich on long-haul destinations to Los Angeles, Hong Kong and Beijing. For this reason, Lufthansa will transfer five of its 14 Airbus A380s from Frankfurt to Munich.




So HKG will get double daily A380 from LH? Since daily FRA-HKG is A380 already I think?
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Re: Lufthansa to base 5 A380s at MUC

Wed Jun 14, 2017 4:21 pm

N14AZ wrote:
TWA772LR wrote:
Where are the A346s that will be displaced going?

I just read in a German newspaper that the A346s based in MUC, will go to FRA.

What routes will they be used on out of FRA?
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Re: New Lufthansa intercontinental routes

Wed Jun 14, 2017 9:20 pm

Can anyone in the know provide any more details regarding the upcoming FRA-SAN: aircraft type? Year-round or seasonal? Will the service be LH 'mainline' rather than one of the subsidiaries?

Many of us in San Diego have been hoping to become a LH station for years; Edelweiss is exciting enough, but to see the real yellow-and-blue at Lindbergh Field will be a dream-come-true for most avgeeks here! Any additional details would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: New Lufthansa intercontinental routes

Wed Jun 14, 2017 9:39 pm

SANFan wrote:
Can anyone in the know provide any more details regarding the upcoming FRA-SAN: aircraft type? Year-round or seasonal? Will the service be LH 'mainline' rather than one of the subsidiaries?

Many of us in San Diego have been hoping to become a LH station for years; Edelweiss is exciting enough, but to see the real yellow-and-blue at Lindbergh Field will be a dream-come-true for most avgeeks here! Any additional details would be greatly appreciated.

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According to this tweet LH will be using the A340-300. This makes it sound like it will be flow by Cityline.
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Re: New Lufthansa intercontinental routes

Wed Jun 14, 2017 9:44 pm

Tier-2 city like SAN seems good fit for the Jump/Cityline A343 operation.
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Re: New Lufthansa intercontinental routes

Wed Jun 14, 2017 10:01 pm

Makes sense that it'd go CL A343. Rumor is that TPA is going mainline next year, which would free up a bird for SAN.

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