Airbus increased the cycle limits at some point in time, but Boeing still compares it to early A320s. Hence some comparisons are skewed.
KarelXWB, the cycle limit increase comes with increased inspections and other labor intensive maintenance tasks. Kindly see my earlier post regarding this. These changes do not come gratis - they come with an increase in cost and time away from revenue service.
Can I be candid? There's nothing wrong with being limited in some way. Every single commercial aircraft flying today is the result of compromises and limitations. One of the compromises on the A320 happens to be maintenance costs and longevity. The A320 design team has already pipped the 37 with increased cabin space, relative ease of operation, and a genius of a fly by wire system that allows minimally trained pilots to safely operate the aircraft, surrounded by a web of protections and for those highly trained among us, the aircraft makes life much, much easier. Elegant and brilliant! No doubt about it.
On the other side of that, the 737 is a veritable tractor in comparison when it comes to fly by wire technology. But the old gal is a tank and the new girl on the block (relatively) enjoys being pampered. And there should be nothing wrong with admitting that. My fellow professionals do not have a problem with it. Should the fact-seeking members of Airliners dot net be any different?
Apologies for the pontification. To expand the metaphor, I was feeling just a wee bit persecuted. Cheers! ( :
Just to reset the context of this particular discussion ....
I predict most orders for the -10 will be from airlines that would have ordered the -9. I don't see anything to convince an airline to order the -10 over a 321NEO.
Unmatched (within class) dispatch reliability and maintenance savings are two commonly known motivations for airlines to choose the older, simpler 737 series over the single aisle Airbus, not to mention the vastly superior DSO (design service objective) numbers. Fleet commonality would, naturally, also be a practical and economic reason for those airlines that have not yet ordered replacements..
So this is specifically about whether dispatch reliability and maintenance savings are likely to motivate an airline to order a 737-10MAX over an A321NEO.
Both of which of course will be brand-new aircraft.
As a professional myself, I have observed that on this forum we expect our professionals to act professionally - i.e. when forwarding statements like "Unmatched (within class) dispatch reliability and maintenance savings" to the forum, to back these up with the evidence that demonstrates it. It is usually an excellent way to avoid implications of bias as a bonus ......
I have no doubts that in times past it would have been easy to supply said evidence.
In my own searches for this conversation I have found plenty favouring the 737.
None of them post-date 2012. But a new-build MAX or NEO most certainly will.
I can post a link to an airline with an all new A320 fleet (Indigo for what it's worth) who have won awards for achieving 99.9% dispatch reliability with their new fleet. Perfection only beats that by 0.1%.
"Cherry picking" you say?
No it's the only evidence I found germane to the latest builds, apart from the flightglobal link I posted earlier showing "later build" A320's averaging 99.7% dispatch reliability. A number I could find matched by the 737NG, but not beaten.
On the subject of Design Service Objectives, I also noted that the oldest A320's still flying have only just reached 51 000 cycles, making the 60 000 cycle DSO more than enough for just about every A320 that will ever be built, and certainly unlikely to be a factor in any new-build purchase.
That is my objective analysis, and why I contend that dispatch reliability and maintenance savings will almost certainly NOT be factors which make an operator choose a brand new 737-10 over a brand-new A321NEO.
As a fact-seeking member of Airliners dot net, I genuinely look forward to an informed rebuttal from a professional. It is how the less informed of us learn on here.
The A320 design team has already pipped the 37 with increased cabin space, relative ease of operation, and a genius of a fly by wire system that allows minimally trained pilots to safely operate the aircraft, surrounded by a web of protections
And this at least should put even the slightest of allegations of bias to bed .........