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AA LAX-SFO all Eagle now

Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:24 pm

As the title says, all flights between LAX and SFO on AA are eagle now...requiring the long bus ride to the eagle terminal at LAX. Considering the nature of the route, I find this lame. Faster = better. Thoughts?
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Re: AA LAX-SFO all eagle now, sad face

Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:29 pm

It's been this way since February.

But yeah, it's a PITA to connect to/from the Nest.
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Re: AA LAX-SFO all eagle now, sad face

Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:30 pm

Thanks for the input. It's still lame.
 
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Re: AA LAX-SFO all eagle now, sad face

Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:36 pm

American just ensuring they're taking care of their best customers... lol

Imagine trying running thru the terminal to get to the gate 1 minute before door close.... get to the gate.. nope that's the gate to catch the bus to get to the nest...
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Re: AA LAX-SFO all eagle now, sad face

Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:36 pm

It is not only the bus ride that is annoying but also the long taxi times to get to/from the 24s.
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Re: AA LAX-SFO all eagle now, sad face

Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:39 pm

You can use/get AA miles on AS* VX flights. Just saying.
 
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Re: AA LAX-SFO all eagle now, sad face

Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:45 pm

32andBelow wrote:
You can use/get AA miles on AS* VX flights. Just saying.


Don't believe so, not quite yet. I do not believe reciprocal FF earn/burn between AA and Alaska has extended to Virgin flights yet - I think that is coming on 1 January when Virgin's FF program is folded into Alaska's.
 
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Re: AA LAX-SFO all eagle now, sad face

Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:47 pm

commavia wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
You can use/get AA miles on AS* VX flights. Just saying.


Don't believe so, not quite yet. I do not believe reciprocal FF earn/burn between AA and Alaska has extended to Virgin flights yet - I think that is coming on 1 January when Virgin's FF program is folded into Alaska's.

They all have AS flight numbers, I don't see why it wouldn't, but I could be wrong.
 
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Re: AA LAX-SFO all eagle now, sad face

Fri Jun 23, 2017 12:31 am

Feel free to fly UA, 15 daily flights, 13 of which are mainline as of now.
 
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Re: AA LAX-SFO all eagle now, sad face

Fri Jun 23, 2017 12:33 am

Will a people mover be built that would allow access between Terminal 4 and the American Eagle Satellite Terminal at LAX?
 
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Re: AA LAX-SFO all eagle now, sad face

Fri Jun 23, 2017 12:43 am

Thanks for posting this ... I'll cross AA off of my list of options for travel to LAX.
 
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Re: AA LAX-SFO all eagle now, sad face

Fri Jun 23, 2017 12:46 am

jplatts wrote:
Will a people mover be built that would allow access between Terminal 4 and the American Eagle Satellite Terminal at LAX?

There will be a people mover, but not one that will help that problem. At least the bus is inside security. Those buses are pretty frequent. I think I once waited 10-15 minutes, but usually it's less.

Someone pointed out that it's the taxi from 24R that takes all the time, the taxi to T4 is about half as long. The good news is that I've never been waiting for a gate on an Eagle flight.
 
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Re: AA LAX-SFO all eagle now, sad face

Fri Jun 23, 2017 12:51 am

If UA did this we'd have the 1,275th thread on dehubbing LAX.
 
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Re: AA LAX-SFO all eagle now, sad face

Fri Jun 23, 2017 12:54 am

No earning on VX flights yet. Was the same when AA/US merged; AS couldn't earn & burn on US for a while.
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Re: AA LAX-SFO all eagle now, sad face

Fri Jun 23, 2017 12:57 am

jplatts wrote:
Will a people mover be built that would allow access between Terminal 4 and the American Eagle Satellite Terminal at LAX?


That would be one long people mover with 4 terminals between T4 and the Eagle terminal
 
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Re: AA LAX-SFO all eagle now, sad face

Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:13 am

jplatts wrote:
Will a people mover be built that would allow access between Terminal 4 and the American Eagle Satellite Terminal at LAX?


No. The Satellite Terminal is being demolished. Eagle flights will move to T5, probably around late 2019.
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Re: AA LAX-SFO all eagle now, sad face

Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:26 am

MAH4546 wrote:
jplatts wrote:
Will a people mover be built that would allow access between Terminal 4 and the American Eagle Satellite Terminal at LAX?


No. The Satellite Terminal is being demolished. Eagle flights will move to T5, probably around late 2019.


So how would they replace almost a dozen gates that way?
 
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Re: AA LAX-SFO all eagle now, sad face

Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:27 am

Not entirely surprising. It's a big market for sure, but there is plenty of supply between UA, DL, and AS/VX. UA can and does use mainline A/C because it hubs at both ends.
 
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Re: AA LAX-SFO all eagle now, sad face

Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:29 am

Ok so let's see... DL has the good service, UA has the wide cosmopolitan network and a decent mileage program... What does AA have?
 
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Re: AA LAX-SFO all eagle now, sad face

Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:30 am

MarcoPoloWorld wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:
jplatts wrote:
Will a people mover be built that would allow access between Terminal 4 and the American Eagle Satellite Terminal at LAX?


No. The Satellite Terminal is being demolished. Eagle flights will move to T5, probably around late 2019.


So how would they replace almost a dozen gates that way?


AA is taking over the entireity of T5 and merging it with T4.

A new 12 gate mid-field terminal is being built and will open in 2019.
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Re: AA LAX-SFO all eagle now, sad face

Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:34 am

MAH4546 wrote:
MarcoPoloWorld wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:

No. The Satellite Terminal is being demolished. Eagle flights will move to T5, probably around late 2019.


So how would they replace almost a dozen gates that way?


AA is taking over the entireity of T5 and merging it with T4.

A new 12 gate mid-field terminal is being built and will open in 2019.


Ok, thanks. Makes sense, but I hope they will keep the Int'l terminal as well as the new mid-field satellite solely for intercontinental ops.
 
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Re: AA LAX-SFO all eagle now, sad face

Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:55 am

MarcoPoloWorld wrote:
Ok so let's see... DL has the good service, UA has the wide cosmopolitan network and a decent mileage program... What does AA have?


To be fair, DL uses some E175s just like AA does. It's more recent that DL has worked in 717s, too. No, DL doesn't use remote gates.
 
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Re: AA LAX-SFO all eagle now, sad face

Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:55 am

Maybe American Airlines allowed Alaska Airlines to grow on that route and inside California.
Why endure the nightmare and congestion of LAX when BUR, LGB, ONT & SNA is so much easier to fly in and out of. Same with OAK & SJC when it comes to SFO.
 
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Re: AA LAX-SFO all eagle now, sad face

Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:14 am

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Maybe American Airlines allowed Alaska Airlines to grow on that route and inside California.


No, AS and AA do not participate in illegal collusion.

AA has nearly hourly flights on LAX-SFO.
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Re: AA LAX-SFO all eagle now, sad face

Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:23 am

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AA has nearly hourly flights on LAX-SFO.


It's every hour and a half..all E-175's which is a comfortable aircraft.
 
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Re: AA LAX-SFO all eagle now, sad face

Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:24 am

MAH4546 wrote:
jplatts wrote:
Will a people mover be built that would allow access between Terminal 4 and the American Eagle Satellite Terminal at LAX?


No. The Satellite Terminal is being demolished. Eagle flights will move to T5, probably around late 2019.


This is not correct. The eagle operation will not move to T5.
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Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:47 am

nutsaboutplanes wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:
jplatts wrote:
Will a people mover be built that would allow access between Terminal 4 and the American Eagle Satellite Terminal at LAX?


No. The Satellite Terminal is being demolished. Eagle flights will move to T5, probably around late 2019.


This is not correct. The eagle operation will not move to T5.


That is correct and it will absolutely move to Terminal 5 as part of the announced $1.6B investment in T4/T5 by AA, which will relocate the remaining T5 tenants to elsewhere.
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Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:49 am

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If UA did this we'd have the 1,275th thread on dehubbing LAX.

And it would be a "PR nightmare."
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Re: AA LAX-SFO all Eagle now

Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:57 am

If people stopped booking one hour connections in LAX, then there wouldn't be a problem with the Nest.
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Re: AA LAX-SFO all Eagle now

Fri Jun 23, 2017 3:32 am

I have an upcoming flight from LAX to SFO on eagle, my booking says terminal 5? is it really the nest? Is two hours connection time enough, ill be arriving on AA73 from Syd
 
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Fri Jun 23, 2017 4:06 am

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Thanks for posting this ... I'll cross AA off of my list of options for travel to LAX.


Ehh. Unless if you're connecting from somewhere, if you live/are going somewhere right by either airport, or if it's significantly cheaper, it's not really worth the hassle to fly LAX-SFO. For straight SoCal-Bay Area O&D, my rule of thumb is to choose a manageable airport on at least one end. The de facto shuttle service that WN has from so many other airports, not to mention offerings on AS and B6, make it hard for me to willingly choose LAX-SFO over BUR-OAK, LGB-SFO, LAX-OAK, etc. etc. For me, the flight is so short that there better be a good reason to go through two giant airports on both ends.

Maybe I'm in the minority, since there are boatloads of flights on LAX-SFO from pretty much all carriers. But then again, there are boatloads of flights between all the other airports too. Plenty of people drive it too, and it can be done in five hours if you hit the traffic just right.
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Re: AA LAX-SFO all eagle now, sad face

Fri Jun 23, 2017 4:12 am

MAH4546 wrote:
nutsaboutplanes wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:

No. The Satellite Terminal is being demolished. Eagle flights will move to T5, probably around late 2019.


This is not correct. The eagle operation will not move to T5.


That is correct and it will absolutely move to Terminal 5 as part of the announced $1.6B investment in T4/T5 by AA, which will relocate the remaining T5 tenants to elsewhere.


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Fri Jun 23, 2017 4:13 am

intotheair wrote:
AirCalSNA wrote:
Thanks for posting this ... I'll cross AA off of my list of options for travel to LAX.


Ehh. Unless if you're connecting from somewhere, if you live/are going somewhere right by either airport, or if it's significantly cheaper, it's not really worth the hassle to fly LAX-SFO. For straight SoCal-Bay Area O&D, my rule of thumb is to choose a manageable airport on at least one end. The de facto shuttle service that WN has from so many other airports, not to mention offerings on AS and B6, make it hard for me to willingly choose LAX-SFO over BUR-OAK, LGB-SFO, LAX-OAK, etc. etc. For me, the flight is so short that there better be a good reason to go through two giant airports on both ends.

Maybe I'm in the minority, since there are boatloads of flights on LAX-SFO from pretty much all carriers. But then again, there are boatloads of flights between all the other airports too. Plenty of people drive it too, and it can be done in five hours if you hit the traffic just right.

5 hours if you leave in the morning then you have your car in San Fran if you were gonna rent. It's a good option
 
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Re: AA LAX-SFO all Eagle now

Fri Jun 23, 2017 4:18 am

jrfspa320 wrote:
I have an upcoming flight from LAX to SFO on eagle, my booking says terminal 5? is it really the nest? Is two hours connection time enough, ill be arriving on AA73 from Syd


Yes, because the AE terminal does not have a ticket counter or access to a curbside, all AE gates are labeled as 50 A-I which directs people to the T5 ticket counter and the AE bus port located in the AA T5 hold room.

If you are an originating customer you can still check in at the T4 ticket counter and take the bus from T4 (old gate 44 and now called terminal transfer) to the AE gates. AA now has all brand new buses as well and the ride on the AOA is always a treat for those who like airplanes.

Flight 72 from SYD generally arrives at TBIT gate 153, 155 or 157. 2 hours should be sufficient as long as your flight arrives on time....global entry helps.
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Fri Jun 23, 2017 4:48 am

FlyMKG wrote:
If people stopped booking one hour connections in LAX, then there wouldn't be a problem with the Nest.


Those are the MCTs setforth by AA, so AA clearly finds them feasible. Personally, I've never seen anyone struggle with a 1 hour connect time unless you come in from NE Asia. The mass amounts of traffic pose problems with connections but if people can do a 25 minute domestic-domestic connection, a 1 hour international-domestic connection is possible.
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Re: AA LAX-SFO all eagle now, sad face

Fri Jun 23, 2017 4:49 am

nutsaboutplanes wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:
nutsaboutplanes wrote:

This is not correct. The eagle operation will not move to T5.


That is correct and it will absolutely move to Terminal 5 as part of the announced $1.6B investment in T4/T5 by AA, which will relocate the remaining T5 tenants to elsewhere.


Did you ever stop for a moment and think that maybe somebody knows more about this than you? Wink wink


So the Eagles Nest is staying? Or is it moving to T4?

I thought that the long term plan had the Eagles Nest demolished to make way for future expansion (potentially T9).
 
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Fri Jun 23, 2017 4:51 am

32andBelow wrote:
5 hours if you leave in the morning then you have your car in San Fran if you were gonna rent. It's a good option


I actually think leaving after 9 is better because then you avoid the morning commute, and then you can get there before 3 when the afternoon commute starts warming up again. But also having a car if you're really going to SF is a little bit of a waste. Mobility is very good in that city by U.S. standards, and parking is not easy anywhere. Usually, I'll drive to BUR and park, show up right before boarding thanks to Precheck, take WN to OAK, and then BART into SF. Door to door can be less than three hours.

That actually reminds me of one of my college professors. He lived in LA but commuted up to the East Bay. He flew up Monday night, stayed in a condo in Oakland he owned, taught three hours of class Tuesday afternoon, held office hours all day Wednesday, taught a three hour film class Wednesday night, three more hours of class on Thursday, and then he flew back Thursday night to be with his family. Wish I knew how many WN points he had!
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Re: AA LAX-SFO all eagle now, sad face

Fri Jun 23, 2017 4:51 am

Vctony wrote:
nutsaboutplanes wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:

That is correct and it will absolutely move to Terminal 5 as part of the announced $1.6B investment in T4/T5 by AA, which will relocate the remaining T5 tenants to elsewhere.


Did you ever stop for a moment and think that maybe somebody knows more about this than you? Wink wink


So the Eagles Nest is staying? Or is it moving to T4?

I thought that the long term plan had the Eagles Nest demolished to make way for future expansion (potentially T9).


The Nest will ultimately go but that doesn't mean that the AE operation moves tk T4/5. I wish I could say more but I can't.
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Re: AA LAX-SFO all eagle now, sad face

Fri Jun 23, 2017 4:54 am

Vctony wrote:
nutsaboutplanes wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:

That is correct and it will absolutely move to Terminal 5 as part of the announced $1.6B investment in T4/T5 by AA, which will relocate the remaining T5 tenants to elsewhere.


Did you ever stop for a moment and think that maybe somebody knows more about this than you? Wink wink


So the Eagles Nest is staying? Or is it moving to T4?

I thought that the long term plan had the Eagles Nest demolished to make way for future expansion (potentially T9).


It will be demolished. Will help make way for more LAX expansion in the further off future.
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Fri Jun 23, 2017 4:54 am

nutsaboutplanes wrote:
Did you ever stop for a moment and think that maybe somebody knows more about this than you? Wink wink


He's more correct than you are.

Whatever the case, everything will be revealed soon enough.
 
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Fri Jun 23, 2017 4:58 am

ldvaviation wrote:
nutsaboutplanes wrote:
Did you ever stop for a moment and think that maybe somebody knows more about this than you? Wink wink


He's more correct than you are.

Whatever the case, everything will be revealed soon enough

Yes, we will know soon enough.
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Fri Jun 23, 2017 5:26 am

nutsaboutplanes wrote:
Vctony wrote:
nutsaboutplanes wrote:

Did you ever stop for a moment and think that maybe somebody knows more about this than you? Wink wink


So the Eagles Nest is staying? Or is it moving to T4?

I thought that the long term plan had the Eagles Nest demolished to make way for future expansion (potentially T9).


The Nest will ultimately go but that doesn't mean that the AE operation moves tk T4/5. I wish I could say more but I can't.


Very interesting...
 
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Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:16 am

alasizon wrote:
FlyMKG wrote:
If people stopped booking one hour connections in LAX, then there wouldn't be a problem with the Nest.


Those are the MCTs setforth by AA, so AA clearly finds them feasible. Personally, I've never seen anyone struggle with a 1 hour connect time unless you come in from NE Asia. The mass amounts of traffic pose problems with connections but if people can do a 25 minute domestic-domestic connection, a 1 hour international-domestic connection is possible.


One hour works it can be stressful and many times its not. People doing it the first time might be a little overwhelmed I suppose but its going to be fixed coming 2019 hopefully.

I take these flights a lot and its not that bad.. I love AA terminal At sfo. Wish they would grow there West coast Presence at SFO and UP and DOWN the WEST COAST. I MISS the old AA SJC hub and larger presence at SFO.
 
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Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:26 am

The E175 is comfortable especially in F with the A seats. Unsure why people would avoid this.

I'd rather have the 1-2 and 2-2 seating vs a mainline sardine can.
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Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:02 pm

I have to admit I would've never thought LAX-SFO could go all-Eagle in AA.

I just can't imagine that happening in Europe. Can anyone see MAD-BCN, CDG-AMS, LON-DUB, FRA-MUC ... being operated by all-Regional aircraft??
 
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Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:02 pm

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The E175 is comfortable especially in F with the A seats. Unsure why people would avoid this.

I'd rather have the 1-2 and 2-2 seating vs a mainline sardine can.

Agree. I LOOK for the 175 over the 319 on routes where they both exist. If they had a Delta-style West Coast Shuttle out of a dedicated pair of gates in T4 or T5, I'd think that they would attract more passengers as well.
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Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:41 pm

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I have to admit I would've never thought LAX-SFO could go all-Eagle in AA.

I just can't imagine that happening in Europe. Can anyone see MAD-BCN, CDG-AMS, LON-DUB, FRA-MUC ... being operated by all-Regional aircraft??


Oh I don't know if it's that big of a deal. It's still at 10x on AA just on LAX-SFO. That's 760 seats each way. Maybe it seems light compared to UA's 15x frequency, all but one of which is on anything from 320s to 739s. But UA also has hubs on both ends whereas AA does not. And is the E175 really a regional plane? Sure it technically is by scope definitions, but the cabin is pretty much on par, if not better than mainline. It's not like AA is scheduling little prop puddle jumpers on this route.

LA-SF is a unique market, and I don't think it can be compared to anything in Europe. It's the second busiest city pair in the U.S., and I think the only major carriers that don't compete on it are F9, G4, and HA. There's a lot of demand for frequency too, so spreading out all the capacity onto hourly shuttles seems to serve the demand well. The planes also aren't competing with rail either, unlike in most European shorthaul markets. The air route with the most number of passengers in the EU right now is TLS-ORY/CDG, which isn't quite up to the level of competition and frequency that LA-SF has. You can expect those passenger numbers to plummet once the TGV goes full speed into Toulouse just as they did once HSR opened between Madrid and Barcelona.

The only thing that might be a downgrade from a passenger experience in AAEagle is having to go out to the Eagle's Nest. But that doesn't take too long, and everything about the LAX experience sucks anyway.
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Re: AA LAX-SFO all Eagle now

Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:57 pm

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The E175 is comfortable especially in F with the A seats. Unsure why people would avoid this.

I'd rather have the 1-2 and 2-2 seating vs a mainline sardine can.


I don't think it's the aircraft that people are talking about avoiding... It's the fact that AA's regional operations are in a far-flung part of the airport rather than co-located with their mainline ops. No one's complaining that DL flies half their LAX-SFO flights on E75s, because they operate out of the same gates as the rest of their flights.
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Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:53 pm

Vctony wrote:
Very interesting...


In a way Mah and Nuts are both right.
 
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Re: AA LAX-SFO all eagle now, sad face

Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:54 pm

MAH4546 wrote:
That is correct and it will absolutely move to Terminal 5 as part of the announced $1.6B investment in T4/T5 by AA, which will relocate the remaining T5 tenants to elsewhere.


I've been hearing this as well (AA copying DL? shocker!) but can't for the life of me figure out where Allegiant, Frontier, JetBlue, Hawaiian, Spirit, and Sun Country (the cats and dogs if you will) are going to go. That's nearly 70 daily departures - there's simply no room elsewhere.

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