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Viet Bamboo plans to order 15 737 Max 9 and 5 777X

Wed Jun 28, 2017 6:57 pm

From Aviator Aero daily news
Viet Bamboo Airlines plans to order 15 B737 MAX 9s and five B777Xs from Boeing as it prepares for a 2018 launch. The MAXs will be delivered
from 2018-2020 and the B777Xs from 2020.
Anyone with more reliable link
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Re: Viet Bamboo To Order 15 737 Max 9 and 5 777X

Wed Jun 28, 2017 7:06 pm

chiki wrote:
From Aviator Aero daily news
Viet Bamboo Airlines plans to order 15 B737 MAX 9s and five B777Xs from Boeing as it prepares for a 2018 launch. The MAXs will be delivered
from 2018-2020 and the B777Xs from 2020.
Anyone with more reliable link


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Re: Viet Bamboo To Order 15 737 Max 9 and 5 777X

Wed Jun 28, 2017 7:10 pm

Via Google I found some Vietnamese English language news website's with a story on this order from last week, but only for 10 MAX 9s.


"HÀ NỘI — FLC Group, the owner of Việt Bamboo Airlines Company Limited (Bamboo Airways), told US aircraft manufacturer Boeing on Tuesday that it plans to buy 15 planes ahead of its start of operations in 2018. FLC plans to buy 10 737 Max 9s and five 777Xs."

Read more at http://vietnamnews.vn/bizhub/378815/vie ... lmh0Vb6.99


FLC, the company behind this airline is a Vietnamese Property Developer.

http://bizhub.vn/corporate-news/flc-to- ... 86545.html
 
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Re: Viet Bamboo To Order 15 737 Max 9 and 5 777X

Wed Jun 28, 2017 7:25 pm

Momo1435 wrote:
Via Google I found some Vietnamese English language news website's with a story on this order from last week, but only for 10 MAX 9s.


"HÀ NỘI — FLC Group, the owner of Việt Bamboo Airlines Company Limited (Bamboo Airways), told US aircraft manufacturer Boeing on Tuesday that it plans to buy 15 planes ahead of its start of operations in 2018. FLC plans to buy 10 737 Max 9s and five 777Xs."

Read more at http://vietnamnews.vn/bizhub/378815/vie ... lmh0Vb6.99


FLC, the company behind this airline is a Vietnamese Property Developer.

http://bizhub.vn/corporate-news/flc-to- ... 86545.html


Thanks any idea of where they will fly the 777x, seems to me it will the US market
 
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Re: Viet Bamboo To Order 15 737 Max 9 and 5 777X

Wed Jun 28, 2017 7:28 pm

Interesting news. Last thing I saw from 7-Jun was the were going to lease 7 airbus frames. Will be interesting to see how this venture works out with Bamboo and their competitors.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-flc-group-airlines-idUSKBN19109L
 
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Re: Viet Bamboo To Order 15 737 Max 9 and 5 777X

Wed Jun 28, 2017 7:31 pm

New start up orders VLAs before commencing operations :scratchchin:
 
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Re: Viet Bamboo To Order 15 737 Max 9 and 5 777X

Wed Jun 28, 2017 7:44 pm

Great that they have ambitions but who the h*** are they?
 
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Re: Viet Bamboo To Order 15 737 Max 9 and 5 777X

Wed Jun 28, 2017 7:53 pm

Never heard of them either. Are there MAX delivery slots available for 2018, or are they going through a lessor?
 
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Re: Viet Bamboo To Order 15 737 Max 9 and 5 777X

Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:06 pm

What the h#ll is a Viet Bamboo and why the h#ll is it ordering 15 73M9 and 5 777X!?!
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Re: Viet Bamboo To Order 15 737 Max 9 and 5 777X

Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:17 pm

So in other words, that's five 777X slots that will eventually be available to a serious contender at a later date.

Convenient. :)
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Re: Viet Bamboo To Order 15 737 Max 9 and 5 777X

Wed Jun 28, 2017 9:01 pm

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So in other words, that's five 777X slots that will eventually be available to a serious contender at a later date.

Convenient. :)


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Re: Viet Bamboo To Order 15 737 Max 9 and 5 777X

Wed Jun 28, 2017 9:12 pm

For those of you that have been around long enough, does this remind you of the 787 orders from Primaris and Blue Panorama? Like those orders I will believe these 777X orders when the finished birds roll out of the paint shop.
 
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Re: Viet Bamboo To Order 15 737 Max 9 and 5 777X

Wed Jun 28, 2017 9:26 pm

I can understand the 737 orders however not the 777s. There is a lot of uncertainty at the moment within Vietnam on how to gain an airline license, there are a few airlines have have been waiting fir years for theirs. I don't see Bamboo getting one in time to commence operations next year.
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Re: Viet Bamboo To Order 15 737 Max 9 and 5 777X

Wed Jun 28, 2017 10:03 pm

I can't be the only one here wondering if they are going to have some sort of Bamboo on their flights, right?
 
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Re: Viet Bamboo To Order 15 737 Max 9 and 5 777X

Wed Jun 28, 2017 10:04 pm

Viet Bamboo is an airline that is being started by the FLC group in Vietnam. The FLC group owns and operates a number of high end luxury resorts in Vietnam. They have been spending hundreds of millions on towers and resort properties in underdeveloped tourism areas in Vietnam.

http://vneconomictimes.com/article/busi ... -flc-group

They intend to start Vietnam Bamboo as an airline to attract more business to the resorts. I would expect the 737s to be used to bring in Tourists from China, Korea and Japan. I would then expect the 777s to be used to bring tourists from Scandinavia and Russia.

It could be successful and a wealthy powerful investment group is behind the airline. While most airlines in this segment like Phuket Air or Orient Thai started with used airplanes, the FLC group is a higher end brand so may want to start with a higher end product. Vietnam tourism is booming and this is a different segment than Vietnam Airlines and Vietjet.

https://www.dealstreetasia.com/stories/ ... any-73868/

Is certainly is risky and a startup going for 777s is a bold move, but if their concept is to fly between Vietnam's resort areas to cold weather countries attracting the backpacker crowd, it could work. Airlines like Norwegian have made long haul low cost backpacker traveler markets work. They will have their hands full with competition from Air Asia and Scoot, but protectionism in the domestic market and rights out of Vietnam may help them.
 
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Re: Viet Bamboo To Order 15 737 Max 9 and 5 777X

Wed Jun 28, 2017 10:36 pm

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Viet Bamboo is an airline that is being started by the FLC group in Vietnam. The FLC group owns and operates a number of high end luxury resorts in Vietnam. They have been spending hundreds of millions on towers and resort properties in underdeveloped tourism areas in Vietnam.

http://vneconomictimes.com/article/busi ... -flc-group

They intend to start Vietnam Bamboo as an airline to attract more business to the resorts. I would expect the 737s to be used to bring in Tourists from China, Korea and Japan. I would then expect the 777s to be used to bring tourists from Scandinavia and Russia.

It could be successful and a wealthy powerful investment group is behind the airline. While most airlines in this segment like Phuket Air or Orient Thai started with used airplanes, the FLC group is a higher end brand so may want to start with a higher end product. Vietnam tourism is booming and this is a different segment than Vietnam Airlines and Vietjet.

https://www.dealstreetasia.com/stories/ ... any-73868/

Is certainly is risky and a startup going for 777s is a bold move, but if their concept is to fly between Vietnam's resort areas to cold weather countries attracting the backpacker crowd, it could work. Airlines like Norwegian have made long haul low cost backpacker traveler markets work. They will have their hands full with competition from Air Asia and Scoot, but protectionism in the domestic market and rights out of Vietnam may help them.


That logic works if there are not enough capacity between those markets which is clearly not true. Millions of tourists are already pouring into the country each month(!). You dont start an airline to bring people to your resort just like you dont build a train line to bring people to your corner shop.
 
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Re: Viet Bamboo To Order 15 737 Max 9 and 5 777X

Wed Jun 28, 2017 10:59 pm

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That logic works if there are not enough capacity between those markets which is clearly not true. Millions of tourists are already pouring into the country each month(!). You dont start an airline to bring people to your resort just like you dont build a train line to bring people to your corner shop.


I am not advocating for success or failure, but honest question. Are there currently any nonstop flights between Scandinavia and Vietnam? If not is it possible that tourism to Vietnam beach resorts would increase if there was a nonstop flight instead of connecting options? Thailand can sustain a number multiple daily flights to that region bringing thousands of tourists. Would some of them consider Vietnam?
 
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Re: Viet Bamboo To Order 15 737 Max 9 and 5 777X

Wed Jun 28, 2017 11:44 pm

Unless they are planning non-stop North American flights with the -8 (still a VEEEEEEEEEEEERY long shot) that 777X order is a joke.
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Wed Jun 28, 2017 11:51 pm

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Unless they are planning non-stop North American flights with the -8 (still a VEEEEEEEEEEEERY long shot) that 777X order is a joke.


I would expect Moscow, Oslo, Copenhagen and Stockholm as potential markets. The low CASM of a high density 777-9 may be attractive, but there is less risk using a 787-9. I don't see North America working out since the focus of their parent company is tourism.
 
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Re: Viet Bamboo To Order 15 737 Max 9 and 5 777X

Thu Jun 29, 2017 1:53 am

One thing most reports don't mention: SGN and HAN are blocked for new airline start-ups until their capacities are expanded, which in Saigon at least should be by the end of 2018, but nothing here happens on time- and even so they seem to have Vietstar Airlines (Military-owned start-up) and AirAsia Vietnam ahead of them in queue. And so, Viet Bamboo is showing interest only in operating from secondary airports (DAD, HUI, CXR, etc).

Cannot imagine a LCC operating solely with brand new aircraft solely from secondary Vietnamese airports seeing the light of day.
 
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Re: Viet Bamboo To Order 15 737 Max 9 and 5 777X

Thu Jun 29, 2017 2:37 am

I'd say these B777 orders will end up in the lap of VN the Vietnamese National carrier :) BUT they have their long haul fleet covered for now.

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Re: Viet Bamboo To Order 15 737 Max 9 and 5 777X

Thu Jun 29, 2017 2:42 am

Yes well the big difference is that JetBlue serves possibly the wealthiest region in the world and presumably had a sound business plan and this air bamboo is planning to fly holiday maker to Vietnam which is certainly not a major or a premium holiday destination and chances are it will stay this way for some time.
 
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Re: Viet Bamboo To Order 15 737 Max 9 and 5 777X

Thu Jun 29, 2017 3:43 pm

Carp12c wrote:
I can't be the only one here wondering if they are going to have some sort of Bamboo on their flights, right?

Such as this Bamboo?
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Sat Jul 01, 2017 6:16 am

neutrino wrote:
Carp12c wrote:
I can't be the only one here wondering if they are going to have some sort of Bamboo on their flights, right?

Such as this Bamboo?
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Now who is that Bamboo?
 
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Sat Jul 01, 2017 6:37 am

Yuck, sooner it were a Panda. :lol:
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Sat Jul 01, 2017 1:01 pm

Carp12c wrote:
Now who is that Bamboo?

Google is your friend.
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Re: Viet Bamboo To Order 15 737 Max 9 and 5 777X

Sat Jul 01, 2017 2:10 pm

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They intend to start Vietnam Bamboo as an airline to attract more business to the resorts.


So they are opening an airline to get their hotels filled!!? If it works that way, Hilton and Marriott will be the biggest airline in the world.

The Southeast Asian LCC market is getting flooded with capacity, with AirAsia, Lion Air and VietJet all expanding in a crazy speed. There will be a bloodbath when what they have ordered in the last few years are delivered. These airlines have over 800 A320/737 ordered between just the three of them. And then there are smaller and more cautious LCCs, such as Tigerair and Cebu Pacific, also slowly expanding.
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raylee67 wrote:
Newbiepilot wrote:

They intend to start Vietnam Bamboo as an airline to attract more business to the resorts.


So they are opening an airline to get their hotels filled!!? If it works that way, Hilton and Marriott will be the biggest airline in the world.
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You may be unaware that the Intercontinental hotel group, which is now the biggest hotel operator in the world was founded by Pan Am. It is not unheard of for crossover between airline ownership stakes and hotel or other travel groups like Thomas Cook.

Will it be successful? I don't know. Is the 777 too much airplane for a startup? Conventional wisdom implies yes. But all I am saying is this startup has an established hospitality company behind it with quite a bit of capital to support an airline startup.
 
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Sat Jul 01, 2017 6:31 pm

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You may be unaware that the Intercontinental hotel group, which is now the biggest hotel operator in the world was founded by Pan Am. It is not unheard of for crossover between airline ownership stakes and hotel or other travel groups like Thomas Cook.

Will it be successful? I don't know. Is the 777 too much airplane for a startup? Conventional wisdom implies yes. But all I am saying is this startup has an established hospitality company behind it with quite a bit of capital to support an airline startup.


Yes I am aware of the relation between IHG and PA. Of course there are Nikko Hotels which are owned by JAL too. What I am saying is that if the business model is to run an airline to feed occupancy for the hotels, that would be a problem. It would lose more money on the airline operation than what it can earn from the marginal gain from the hotels. As of whether it has sufficient capital, I can't say, unless I have read its full financial statements. And even that would only be applicable in the western world. For places like Vietnam and China (which I am more familiar with), if the powerful people in the government say you have a lot of capital, then you have, if tomorrow, they suddenly say you have committed some crimes to get those capital, then you have committed those crimes as well. The world won't even know about what happened until they announced you are in jail. The capital comes and goes, depending on who you know, and more importantly, depending whether the person you know would suddenly fall out of power one day after some power struggle behind closed door.
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Re: Viet Bamboo To Order 15 737 Max 9 and 5 777X

Sat Jul 01, 2017 11:36 pm

Newbiepilot wrote:
raylee67 wrote:
Newbiepilot wrote:

They intend to start Vietnam Bamboo as an airline to attract more business to the resorts.


So they are opening an airline to get their hotels filled!!? If it works that way, Hilton and Marriott will be the biggest airline in the world.
.


You may be unaware that the Intercontinental hotel group, which is now the biggest hotel operator in the world was founded by Pan Am. It is not unheard of for crossover between airline ownership stakes and hotel or other travel groups like Thomas Cook.

Will it be successful? I don't know. Is the 777 too much airplane for a startup? Conventional wisdom implies yes. But all I am saying is this startup has an established hospitality company behind it with quite a bit of capital to support an airline startup.


It barely counts, but Scoot started with 777s. I'm sure it can be done.
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Re: Viet Bamboo To Order 15 737 Max 9 and 5 777X

Sat Jul 01, 2017 11:51 pm

Boeing778X wrote:
Newbiepilot wrote:
raylee67 wrote:

So they are opening an airline to get their hotels filled!!? If it works that way, Hilton and Marriott will be the biggest airline in the world.
.


You may be unaware that the Intercontinental hotel group, which is now the biggest hotel operator in the world was founded by Pan Am. It is not unheard of for crossover between airline ownership stakes and hotel or other travel groups like Thomas Cook.

Will it be successful? I don't know. Is the 777 too much airplane for a startup? Conventional wisdom implies yes. But all I am saying is this startup has an established hospitality company behind it with quite a bit of capital to support an airline startup.


It barely counts, but Scoot started with 777s. I'm sure it can be done.

Scoot was started by SIA which owned Tigerair at the time and had a sizable network which could connect and complement with Scoot's. Tigerair has a fleet of A319s and A320s.
 
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Re: Viet Bamboo To Order 15 737 Max 9 and 5 777X

Sat Jul 01, 2017 11:54 pm

Boeing778X wrote:
Newbiepilot wrote:
raylee67 wrote:

So they are opening an airline to get their hotels filled!!? If it works that way, Hilton and Marriott will be the biggest airline in the world.
.


You may be unaware that the Intercontinental hotel group, which is now the biggest hotel operator in the world was founded by Pan Am. It is not unheard of for crossover between airline ownership stakes and hotel or other travel groups like Thomas Cook.

Will it be successful? I don't know. Is the 777 too much airplane for a startup? Conventional wisdom implies yes. But all I am saying is this startup has an established hospitality company behind it with quite a bit of capital to support an airline startup.


It barely counts, but Scoot started with 777s. I'm sure it can be done.


Scoot had the backing of SQ though, and the 777s were just passed down, very likely paid-off or near. An order for 777Xs from a startup is much more ambitious. I mean, best of luck to them, but I would be shocked if the 777s ever made it, the 737 order is much more sensible.
 
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Re: Viet Bamboo To Order 15 737 Max 9 and 5 777X

Sun Jul 02, 2017 5:57 am

In the scheme of things the size of the order is not that large when we consider the size of the Asian and Russian tourist markets and their appetite for tropical / sub-tropical package tours in the region. We only have to look at the size of the Egyptian package tours market to come to an understanding of the potential of the package tour market in Vietnam.

With regards to the 777X, with an all economy class cabin the 777X should have the lowest seat mile costs of any aircraft in service. Many of the Russian package tour carriers are using old 747-400 aircraft with 500+ seats to service these markets. Five 777X aircraft doesn't seem that unreasonable.
 
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Re: Viet Bamboo To Order 15 737 Max 9 and 5 777X

Sun Jul 02, 2017 6:00 am

travelhound wrote:
In the scheme of things the size of the order is not that large when we consider the size of the Asian and Russian tourist markets and their appetite for tropical / sub-tropical package tours in the region. We only have to look at the size of the Egyptian package tours market to come to an understanding of the potential of the package tour market in Vietnam.

With regards to the 777X, with an all economy class cabin the 777X should have the lowest seat mile costs of any aircraft in service. Many of the Russian package tour carriers are using old 747-400 aircraft with 500+ seats to service these markets. Five 777X aircraft doesn't seem that unreasonable.


777X would be limited by its exit doors, particularly the -9. It has less doors than the -300ER and will seat less than it in an all economy config.


Edit: Let me correct myself that the 777-9 will have 4 Type A doors with an optional 5th Type C door behind the 3rd door. Will still lead to less seats compared to the 77W and it's 5 Type A doors.

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