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Gimli Glider a/c C-GAUN

Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:30 am

Has it been totally broken up ? any satellite pictures available ?
 
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Re: Gimli Glider a/c C-GAUN

Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:33 am

It's been broken up. In fact, you can even buy a piece of it.

http://www.mypilotstore.com/mypilotstore/sep/10983
 
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Re: Gimli Glider a/c C-GAUN

Wed Jul 05, 2017 4:36 am

Air Canada should have either donated it to a museum or have on static display in front of Air Canada's headquarters.
 
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Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:09 am

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Air Canada should have either donated it to a museum or have on static display in front of Air Canada's headquarters.

It's a bit too late for that now. Apparently not enough people had the interest or funding to save her from the scrappers.
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Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:12 am

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Air Canada should have either donated it to a museum or have on static display in front of Air Canada's headquarters.

Air Canada hasn't owned it in quite some time.

When various museums in Canada were given the opportunity ... no one wanted it.
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Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:31 am

I had the opportunity to see her at Mojave, climb around and measure her. Then made a 3d model and working drawings of the landing gear so that the main gear could be recreated for an action scene for the TV show Scorpion. The main gear was mostly made of wood for the shoot, then salvaged hydraulics and other stuff to make it as close as we could to the real thing. Tires were carved foam. Of course, the scene was like 6 seconds of air time, but I remember it well, one of my favorite projects. Too bad she never found a home, but her condition was not great. The restoration cost must have been prohibitive.
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Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:09 am

Put it on display outside AC HQ?! Yeah and Asiana can put the wreckage of OZ214 outside Kumho Towers, and Turkish can put a diorama of a DC-10 in millions of pieces in a French forest in the lounge at IST. #genius
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Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:50 am

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Put it on display outside AC HQ?! Yeah and Asiana can put the wreckage of OZ214 outside Kumho Towers, and Turkish can put a diorama of a DC-10 in millions of pieces in a French forest in the lounge at IST. #genius


I was thinking the same thing. I thought it would be nice if they put that 767 right next to AirTransat's A330 when you enter YYZ airport :) That would be hilarious :)
 
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Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:19 am

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Put it on display outside AC HQ?! Yeah and Asiana can put the wreckage of OZ214 outside Kumho Towers, and Turkish can put a diorama of a DC-10 in millions of pieces in a French forest in the lounge at IST. #genius


I was thinking the same thing. I thought it would be nice if they put that 767 right next to AirTransat's A330 when you enter YYZ airport :) That would be hilarious :)

Then you may also have a B742 from BA with them. Remember to wear off its paint. The vocanic ash did this. Also a retired ET 763 is fine, although the original one was destroyed. If you really want to form a "airliner glider museum", then you still have a long list to go—an AVA 707 etc.
 
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dcaviation wrote:
cedarjet wrote:
Put it on display outside AC HQ?! Yeah and Asiana can put the wreckage of OZ214 outside Kumho Towers, and Turkish can put a diorama of a DC-10 in millions of pieces in a French forest in the lounge at IST. #genius


I was thinking the same thing. I thought it would be nice if they put that 767 right next to AirTransat's A330 when you enter YYZ airport :) That would be hilarious :)


Don't forget UA 173 back in 1978. Despite 10 or so fatalities most passengers survived...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_173
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Wed Jul 05, 2017 2:27 pm

That metal tag memorabilia piece is pretty cool, but whatsup with those fancy raked wingtips they gave the 767-200 for whatever reason? Lol
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Re: Gimli Glider a/c C-GAUN

Wed Jul 05, 2017 3:09 pm

cedarjet wrote:
Put it on display outside AC HQ?! Yeah and Asiana can put the wreckage of OZ214 outside Kumho Towers, and Turkish can put a diorama of a DC-10 in millions of pieces in a French forest in the lounge at IST. #genius


Difference being AC143 had no fatalities/serious injuries. N106US (Miracle on the Hudson) is on display at the Carolinas Aviation Museum.
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Re: Gimli Glider a/c C-GAUN

Wed Jul 05, 2017 3:15 pm

N106US is interesting to look at because it is all mangled up. C-GAUN is not. Before its scrapping it looked like any other 762 out there. If you want to showcase the landing than pictures of the event do a far better job then the plane itself. If you just want to show off a plane there are cheaper and smaller options available. That is why no one was interested in the bird. The only display that would have been interesting to the public is if AC had left the plane sitting on its nose in Gimli.
 
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Re: Gimli Glider a/c C-GAUN

Wed Jul 05, 2017 3:42 pm

cedarjet wrote:
Put it on display outside AC HQ?! Yeah and Asiana can put the wreckage of OZ214 outside Kumho Towers, and Turkish can put a diorama of a DC-10 in millions of pieces in a French forest in the lounge at IST. #genius


Well both JAL & ANA have a dedicated safety center that features wreckage from JL123 and if I recall correctly NH60.

Rather macabre but also interesting.

https://www.jal.com/en/flight/safety/center/

https://www.ana.co.jp/group/safe/culture/asec/tour.html
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Re: Gimli Glider a/c C-GAUN

Wed Jul 05, 2017 4:03 pm

I discussed this last year: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1346419

Although the full plane was not saved, a small panel was reconditioned, and will eventually be displayed at a permanent museum in Gimli.
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Re: Gimli Glider a/c C-GAUN

Wed Jul 05, 2017 4:04 pm

If I remember correctly, celebrating this aircraft was not on Air Canada's agenda aa they largely saw the whole Gimli incident as something of an embarrasment, despite the outcome. They even refused to licence models of the aircraft, although there is now a 1:200 diecast example out there.

https://www.aviationmegastore.com/b767- ... art=137017
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Re: Gimli Glider a/c C-GAUN

Wed Jul 05, 2017 4:05 pm

If I am remembering correctly, there was someone on here trying to buy the cockpit/nose of it to put it on display somewhere, though there was a lot of positive feedback, I guess it wasn't successful.
 
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Wed Jul 05, 2017 4:20 pm

A three window length section of fuselage aluminium was preserved and resprayed into appropriate Air Canada colours for display at the Gimli museum in late 2015.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1346419

ETA: Sorry, above info already posted.
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Wed Jul 05, 2017 4:24 pm

rikkus67 wrote:
I discussed this last year: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1346419

Although the full plane was not saved, a small panel was reconditioned, and will eventually be displayed at a permanent museum in Gimli.


I was hoping the control yoke could be salvaged - this is how Capt Robert Pearson was able to glide the 767 to Gimli.
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Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:22 pm

I've flown on it, many years ago. I also met Captain Pearson when he commanded a YVR-YYZ flight I was on. It was a big honour for me to meet him, he is a true gentleman.

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Re: Gimli Glider a/c C-GAUN

Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:10 pm

FlyUSAir wrote:
cedarjet wrote:
Put it on display outside AC HQ?! Yeah and Asiana can put the wreckage of OZ214 outside Kumho Towers, and Turkish can put a diorama of a DC-10 in millions of pieces in a French forest in the lounge at IST. #genius


Difference being AC143 had no fatalities/serious injuries. N106US (Miracle on the Hudson) is on display at the Carolinas Aviation Museum.


Yup not only that but C-GAUN was repaired and flew for many years after that.
 
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Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:55 pm

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I had the opportunity to see her at Mojave, climb around and measure her. Then made a 3d model and working drawings of the landing gear so that the main gear could be recreated for an action scene for the TV show Scorpion. The main gear was mostly made of wood for the shoot, then salvaged hydraulics and other stuff to make it as close as we could to the real thing. Tires were carved foam. Of course, the scene was like 6 seconds of air time, but I remember it well, one of my favorite projects. Too bad she never found a home, but her condition was not great. The restoration cost must have been prohibitive.



This?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boEb8zKfPBo
 
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Thu Jul 06, 2017 1:20 am

Yes, that. Lol.

And yes I told the "above the line" folks that a 767 doesn't have the range from Auckland to LA. Yes, NZ does RAR LAX (and I've flown on that route a bunch of times). I'll post pics tomorrow of what we did on the MLG.

But, hey, got an all access pass to the Gimli Glider and had a ton of fun designing the gear. As cringeworthy as Hollywood can portray aviation, we in the art department strive to get our end of the job done and at least as accurate as possible :)
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Re: Gimli Glider a/c C-GAUN

Thu Jul 06, 2017 1:32 am

Many times I've seen C-GUAN and Air Transat C-GITS on the YVR apron at the same time but never close enough to get a picture. AC on its way to Toronto and Transat just arriving intenational. Too bad didn't get a picture. Wonder if they's a picture with the two close together.
 
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timpdx wrote:
Yes, that. Lol.

And yes I told the "above the line" folks that a 767 doesn't have the range from Auckland to LA. Yes, NZ does RAR LAX (and I've flown on that route a bunch of times). I'll post pics tomorrow of what we did on the MLG.

But, hey, got an all access pass to the Gimli Glider and had a ton of fun designing the gear. As cringeworthy as Hollywood can portray aviation, we in the art department strive to get our end of the job done and at least as accurate as possible :)

Qantas managed to get an older generation A330-300 from Auckland to LA and v.v. The 767 could, depending on load, do it without even thinking!
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Thu Jul 06, 2017 3:39 am

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Qantas managed to get an older generation A330-300 from Auckland to LA and v.v. The 767 could, depending on load, do it without even thinking!

The longest I have flown a 767-300ER was from YYZ-NRT. The load was capped at 180 passengers and no freight other than passenger baggage was carried. It was pretty tight as maximum fuel by volume was carried, and on a few occasions ... not possible.

AKL-LAX is even longer ... so I would imagine a little "thinking" would be necessary.
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longhauler wrote:
Beatyair wrote:
Air Canada should have either donated it to a museum or have on static display in front of Air Canada's headquarters.

Air Canada hasn't owned it in quite some time.

When various museums in Canada were given the opportunity ... no one wanted it.


Yeah that's too bad. The most appropriate site, especially given the glider flight departed YOW enroute for YEG would have been the Canada Aviation and Space Museum in Ottawa, but it doesn't have enough space to store it indoors (there's a retired RCAF H model Herc outside, let alone the fact YRO's runway would have had a tough time handling a landing by FIN 604. Oh well, I'd much rather have the AC DC-9 there than a 762.
 
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The most appropriate site, especially given the glider flight departed YOW enroute for YEG would have been the Canada Aviation and Space Museum in Ottawa, but it doesn't have enough space to store it indoors (there's a retired RCAF H model Herc outside, let alone the fact YRO's runway would have had a tough time handling a landing by FIN 604. Oh well, I'd much rather have the AC DC-9 there than a 762.


I always thought the best place for it was the Royal Aviation Museum of Western Canada at Winnipeg Airport. (Used to be named the Western Canadian Aviation Museum). They have the (outdoor) room and there is a modest connection to Western Canada.

I did write to them and they declined, citing the lack of proper room and feeling sitting outdoors would not do the aircraft justice. It's a great museum btw, and encourage people to visit. If anything, to wander through an AC Viscount in its retirement configuration, or to actually touch a Bristol Freighter.

And ... for the record, I would have no problem landing 604 at YRO. ;) I figure if Captain Gigeure can land a DC-9 there, an empty 767-200 with its fine Boeing wing would be a breeze! I remember when this was discussed on this forum, I did the calculations as I have some old -200 manuals on DVDs, I think the actual ground run was about 1800 feet.
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timpdx wrote:
Yes, that. Lol.

And yes I told the "above the line" folks that a 767 doesn't have the range from Auckland to LA. Yes, NZ does RAR LAX (and I've flown on that route a bunch of times). I'll post pics tomorrow of what we did on the MLG.

But, hey, got an all access pass to the Gimli Glider and had a ton of fun designing the gear. As cringeworthy as Hollywood can portray aviation, we in the art department strive to get our end of the job done and at least as accurate as possible :)

Qantas managed to get an older generation A330-300 from Auckland to LA and v.v. The 767 could, depending on load, do it without even thinking!

I don't think QF ever managed to get an older generation A330-300 from Auckland to LA, unless it was a very rare and extremely weight limited aircraft substitution. They did, however, fly the A330-200 AKL-LAX(-JFK).
 
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Thu Jul 06, 2017 1:51 pm

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Dominion301 wrote:
The most appropriate site, especially given the glider flight departed YOW enroute for YEG would have been the Canada Aviation and Space Museum in Ottawa, but it doesn't have enough space to store it indoors (there's a retired RCAF H model Herc outside, let alone the fact YRO's runway would have had a tough time handling a landing by FIN 604. Oh well, I'd much rather have the AC DC-9 there than a 762.


I always thought the best place for it was the Royal Aviation Museum of Western Canada at Winnipeg Airport. (Used to be named the Western Canadian Aviation Museum). They have the (outdoor) room and there is a modest connection to Western Canada.

I did write to them and they declined, citing the lack of proper room and feeling sitting outdoors would not do the aircraft justice. It's a great museum btw, and encourage people to visit. If anything, to wander through an AC Viscount in its retirement configuration, or to actually touch a Bristol Freighter.

And ... for the record, I would have no problem landing 604 at YRO. ;) I figure if Captain Gigeure can land a DC-9 there, an empty 767-200 with its fine Boeing wing would be a breeze! I remember when this was discussed on this forum, I did the calculations as I have some old -200 manuals on DVDs, I think the actual ground run was about 1800 feet.


I agree...its a fantastic museum and the tour of the interior of the AC Viscount is worth the price of admission alone. Glad they saved it as I remember seeing lines of these retired AC planes at the airport way back in the early 70's. My only wish was that they could not buy and modify the old 60's mod air terminal and use that space. It would have made the museum even greater.
 
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Dominion301 wrote:
The most appropriate site, especially given the glider flight departed YOW enroute for YEG would have been the Canada Aviation and Space Museum in Ottawa, but it doesn't have enough space to store it indoors (there's a retired RCAF H model Herc outside, let alone the fact YRO's runway would have had a tough time handling a landing by FIN 604. Oh well, I'd much rather have the AC DC-9 there than a 762.


I always thought the best place for it was the Royal Aviation Museum of Western Canada at Winnipeg Airport. (Used to be named the Western Canadian Aviation Museum). They have the (outdoor) room and there is a modest connection to Western Canada.

I did write to them and they declined, citing the lack of proper room and feeling sitting outdoors would not do the aircraft justice. It's a great museum btw, and encourage people to visit. If anything, to wander through an AC Viscount in its retirement configuration, or to actually touch a Bristol Freighter.

And ... for the record, I would have no problem landing 604 at YRO. ;) I figure if Captain Gigeure can land a DC-9 there, an empty 767-200 with its fine Boeing wing would be a breeze! I remember when this was discussed on this forum, I did the calculations as I have some old -200 manuals on DVDs, I think the actual ground run was about 1800 feet.


Yeah it would have been tough, but it would have definitely been doable completely empty. In fact I remember the ex-CO DC-10 that landed at Carp/YRP. YRP's paved runway is of a near-identical dimension to YRO's.

That's really cool longhauler that you took the time to run the numbers for such a hypothetical situation. Your technical knowledge sure brings a lot to airliners.net.
 
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As cringeworthy as Hollywood can portray aviation, we in the art department strive to get our end of the job done and at least as accurate as possible :)


I'm around 767 gear every day and I think you did a great job. Colors were a bit off on the brakes, but the detail on the wheels / hubcaps / tires was amazing.
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Polot wrote:
coolian2 wrote:
timpdx wrote:
Yes, that. Lol.

And yes I told the "above the line" folks that a 767 doesn't have the range from Auckland to LA. Yes, NZ does RAR LAX (and I've flown on that route a bunch of times). I'll post pics tomorrow of what we did on the MLG.

But, hey, got an all access pass to the Gimli Glider and had a ton of fun designing the gear. As cringeworthy as Hollywood can portray aviation, we in the art department strive to get our end of the job done and at least as accurate as possible :)

Qantas managed to get an older generation A330-300 from Auckland to LA and v.v. The 767 could, depending on load, do it without even thinking!

I don't think QF ever managed to get an older generation A330-300 from Auckland to LA, unless it was a very rare and extremely weight limited aircraft substitution. They did, however, fly the A330-200 AKL-LAX(-JFK).


They did and it wasn't pretty. The 332 - I know the whole story there. That was also not pretty.

As longhauler said, you can do it, but you might be cutting of the warranty void tag if you do it without thinking!
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Seems the glider is not dead yet.... Hollywood might make this into a movie.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/canada/gi ... -1.3827653
 
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Seems the glider is not dead yet.... Hollywood might make this into a movie.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/canada/gi ... -1.3827653


Hopefully an authentic Air Canada livery this time and no unnecessary sub plots like in that TV movie version from years ago. Which was like watching a bad episode of Dallas ! :lol:
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Put it on display outside AC HQ?! Yeah and Asiana can put the wreckage of OZ214 outside Kumho Towers, and Turkish can put a diorama of a DC-10 in millions of pieces in a French forest in the lounge at IST. #genius

But remember, the Gimli Glider was a victory, not a tragedy.
 
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JannEejit wrote:
ninspeed wrote:
Seems the glider is not dead yet.... Hollywood might make this into a movie.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/canada/gi ... -1.3827653


Hopefully an authentic Air Canada livery this time and no unnecessary sub plots like in that TV movie version from years ago. Which was like watching a bad episode of Dallas ! :lol:


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