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Boeing teases 797 in screenshot at Paris Air Show; our first real look?

Fri Jun 30, 2017 7:55 am

Came across this from a Boeing presentation:

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Aside from speculation, this is straight from Boeing. While far from a done deal, it is definitely indicative of how they are thinking. The fuselage is 757 inspired, the wings are not unlike those of the 787, and the engines seem all new. I also love how they left out "797" on the tail so as not to spill all the secrets even though the name of this plane is unquestionably the worst kept secret in aviation.

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Re: Boeing teases 797 in screenshot at Paris Air Show; our first real look?

Fri Jun 30, 2017 8:11 am

The fuselage is only marginally higher than the 737's. If the scale would be realistic for both this would be a single aisle, unless it is real flat cross section. Personally I feel a wide single aisle would be more competitive than a small WB.
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Re: Boeing teases 797 in screenshot at Paris Air Show; our first real look?

Fri Jun 30, 2017 8:51 am

Looks helluva like a 757 given the Max treatment. Now wouldn't that be nice !
 
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Re: Boeing teases 797 in screenshot at Paris Air Show; our first real look?

Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:01 am

Actually, it looks like a cross between a 757 and a 767 in fuselage width which is what has been implied up to now. But this is still far too lacking in detail to draw any real conclusions about the design. I'm not sure Boeing is as yet committed to a passenger optimized small twin-aisle, no matter what the advance press is suggesting.
 
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Re: Boeing teases 797 in screenshot at Paris Air Show; our first real look?

Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:09 am

Looks like a mini dreamliner to me, or more like A321ish.
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Re: Boeing teases 797 in screenshot at Paris Air Show; our first real look?

Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:12 am

Are they gonna open up the 757 line again then? Why didn't they keep the 757 tooling?

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Re: Boeing teases 797 in screenshot at Paris Air Show; our first real look?

Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:16 am

keesje wrote:
The fuselage is only marginally higher than the 737's. If the scale would be realistic for both this would be a single aisle, unless it is real flat cross section. Personally I feel a wide single aisle would be more competitive than a small WB.


This was discussed a thousand times. Articles in aviation week quoting Boeing AND Airlines are all talking about a horizontal oval made from CRP. This oval will only be marginally higher as a 737 but considerably wider. Only limited cargo capabilities. Boeing clearly avoids a simple answer by Airbus with an A322 by that move to going higher in capacity as well as range. More an A330 killer than a A321 killer. The last one is addressed as good as possible by the 737-MAX10. It's nearly a fact now.

This won't be a single aisle - deal with it.
 
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Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:48 am

KTPAFlyer wrote:
Aside from speculation, this is straight from Boeing. While far from a done deal, it is definitely indicative of how they are thinking. The fuselage is 757 inspired, the wings are not unlike those of the 787, and the engines seem all new. I also love how they left out "797" on the tail so as not to spill all the secrets even though the name of this plane is unquestionably the worst kept secret in aviation.

Definitely??? How do you know the intern who was making the slide didn't just find the 757 in the clip-art library and touch it up a bit?

While they were at it, they should have dragged and dropped a housefly onto the slide, but that's been done before...
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Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:56 am

JannEejit wrote:
Looks helluva like a 757 given the Max treatment. Now wouldn't that be nice !


757 on steroids. It just has to be better than the A321neo,geo,Leo,lr whatever it's called.
 
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Fri Jun 30, 2017 12:05 pm

QueenoftheSkies wrote:
JannEejit wrote:
Looks helluva like a 757 given the Max treatment. Now wouldn't that be nice !


757 on steroids. It just has to be better than the A321neo,geo,Leo,lr whatever it's called.


Well , if you dont know what it is called by now, your predictions dont really mean much.
 
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Fri Jun 30, 2017 12:06 pm

hibtastic wrote:
QueenoftheSkies wrote:
JannEejit wrote:
Looks helluva like a 757 given the Max treatment. Now wouldn't that be nice !


757 on steroids. It just has to be better than the A321neo,geo,Leo,lr whatever it's called.


Well , if you dont know what it is called by now, your predictions dont really mean much.


I do know what it's called but there are so many variants hence the joke. Duh!
 
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Fri Jun 30, 2017 12:19 pm

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Fri Jun 30, 2017 12:48 pm

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While they were at it, they should have dragged and dropped a housefly onto the slide, but that's been done before...

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Fri Jun 30, 2017 1:12 pm

It is just a drawing quickly made based off the other planes to show something new. It really isn't a hint at what the plane looks like. It looks like they just took the tail of a 737 (minus the forward part) and stuck it on to a slightly modified 787 fuselage then shrunk the 787 wings and engines.
I wouldn't use the image to determine things like fuselage shape or whether it is single or twin aisle.
 
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Re: Boeing teases 797 in screenshot at Paris Air Show; our first real look?

Fri Jun 30, 2017 1:13 pm

That looks like a 757 with an ultrafan under a scaled down 787 like wing...
 
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Fri Jun 30, 2017 1:40 pm

It sure looks like a twin aisle, definitely.

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Fri Jun 30, 2017 1:42 pm

I think someone's having a laugh, no doubt to get aviation enthusiasts excited, particularly on this website. It's also a crude bodge job; you can see the join on the picture where it's been stuck on.
 
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Fri Jun 30, 2017 1:42 pm

Polot wrote:
It is just a drawing quickly made based off the other planes to show something new. It really isn't a hint at what the plane looks like. It looks like they just took the tail of a 737 (minus the forward part) and stuck it on to a slightly modified 787 fuselage then shrunk the 787 wings and engines.
I wouldn't use the image to determine things like fuselage shape or whether it is single or twin aisle.


Agreed. It most likely means very little, if anything at all.
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Re: Boeing teases 797 in screenshot at Paris Air Show; our first real look?

Fri Jun 30, 2017 1:51 pm

Quite frankly it looks like what a CS500 should be. If only Boeing would have jumped in 3 years back to buy out bbd they'd have half of their R and D complete.
 
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Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:04 pm

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While they were at it, they should have dragged and dropped a housefly onto the slide, but that's been done before...

Be careful what you wish for...look (#16) what you've done... :wink2: ...

Maybe the first customer would be iFLY Airways :?: :cheerful:
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Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:09 pm

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Quite frankly it looks like what a CS500 should be. If only Boeing would have jumped in 3 years back to buy out bbd they'd have half of their R and D complete.

Except the 797 will be far larger and more capable than the CS500. They don't need BBD for the R&D...they have plenty of experience with composites and next gen systems from the 787 (and 777X).
 
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Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:21 pm

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This won't be a single aisle - deal with it.



Wow, somebody really doesn't want this to be a single aisle...
 
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Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:45 pm

keesje wrote:
It sure looks like a twin aisle, definitely.

Well played on the picture! :bigthumbsup:

As for the comment, why make so much out of one power-point compared to all the various reports we have (AvWeek, FG, Seattle Times) where Boeing is saying they will be doing something other than a traditional narrowbody? It seems they're convinced an oval is the right way to go.

Devilfish wrote:
Maybe the first customer would be iFLY Airways :?: :cheerful:

Nice! But I think the competitor's products were the first to receive the housefly treatment.

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dare100em wrote:
This won't be a single aisle - deal with it.

Wow, somebody really doesn't want this to be a single aisle...

Or somebody is sick of people having a hard time accepting it won't be a single aisle.

Why not go with it? We keep hearing people say they're sick of the manufacturers cranking out the same old thing. Are people so locked in to the A vs B narrative that they can't deal with B doing something different?

Personally, I'd love to see what Boeing can come up with an oval cross section, and, also, I'd love to see what Airbus can come up with a new wing on the classic A320 fuse, and I'd love to see how the market reacts to both products.
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Fri Jun 30, 2017 3:25 pm

SCAT15F wrote:
dare100em wrote:

This won't be a single aisle - deal with it.



Wow, somebody really doesn't want this to be a single aisle...


No. In fact I initially liked the idea of a wider single aisle. However ANYTHING we hear from leaks and interviews with Boeing and Airlines SINCE at least 6 month ALLWAYS refer to a new light TWIN with an horizontal oval shape.

But people STILL come up every week with the "757 again" stuff, it's getting ridiclious.
 
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Fri Jun 30, 2017 4:05 pm

In real life, the 737-10 should be 43.8m long and the 787-8 should be 56.7m long, while the 737-10 in the graphic is 475 px long and the 787-8 graphic it is 591px long, which indicate the 737 is about 4% longer than what it should be. Not exact match but close enough. And the shown model is 518 pixels long which translated to about 47.7-49.6 m long in this model
Likewise, real life 737 fuelsage height would be about 158 inch and 787 fuselage height would be about 234.5 inch, and in the graphic the 737 is about 43 px high and the 787 is about 61 px high, that is also about 4% difference, and the model in the graphic is about 49 pixel high, which translate to 180-188 inch fuselage height.
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Fri Jun 30, 2017 4:16 pm

Folks you are way too wrapped up in a crude drawing that doesn't bear a resemblance to what airlines and even Boeing have said about this new aircraft.

This plane has an opportunity to take over TATL from the 757, replace the 767 and finally take the next step in fuselage design. It will be a while till we see mock ups.
 
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Fri Jun 30, 2017 4:21 pm

Don't forget that our first look at the 787 was just a simple sketch of the 7E7 in the 2002 Boeing annual report (PDF page 90):

http://www.annualreports.com/HostedData ... A_2002.pdf

It wasn't for another 1-2 months before we got a pretty CG rendering.
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Re: Boeing teases 797 in screenshot at Paris Air Show; our first real look?

Fri Jun 30, 2017 4:21 pm

I'm seeing basically a MAX version of the 757.

Whatever happened to the new aircraft design? Wasn't the 797 supposed to be new design?
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Fri Jun 30, 2017 4:24 pm

Revelation wrote:
Nice! But I think the competitor's products were the first to receive the housefly treatment.

It would then be Boeing's turn to say they have captured their competitor's customer...with the concept man to boot :!: :biggrin:

Revelation wrote:
Personally, I'd love to see what Boeing can come up with an oval cross section

A little clarification...Boeing seemed definite that the NMA would be a compound section fuse...heart-shaped perhaps? :brokenheart:
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Fri Jun 30, 2017 4:27 pm

SonomaFlyer wrote:
Folks you are way too wrapped up in a crude drawing that doesn't bear a resemblance to what airlines and even Boeing have said about this new aircraft.

This plane has an opportunity to take over TATL from the 757, replace the 767 and finally take the next step in fuselage design. It will be a while till we see mock ups.

~48m length and 180-188inch fuselage height actually sound about almost like what boeing have mentioned. The length is almost exactly 762's length. And for the fuselage, consider the 767 was 198 inch wide 218 inch high in exterior dimension, vertically elongated due to cargo capability, the hybrid fuselage Boeing is proposing should be less than 198 in height.
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Fri Jun 30, 2017 4:31 pm

DfwRevolution wrote:
Don't forget that our first look at the 787 was just a simple sketch of the 7E7 in the 2002 Boeing annual report (PDF page 90):

http://www.annualreports.com/HostedData ... A_2002.pdf

It wasn't for another 1-2 months before we got a pretty CG rendering.

And even then the 7E7 morphed from looking like a mini 777, to the sharktail version, to the 787 built now.

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