EK413 wrote:

The 1st QF B738 VH-VXM sporting the revised livery has arrived back on Aussie soil.

https://instagram.com/p/BWgqT7pjJyY/



EK413

Personally I don't think it looks horrible, but it doesn't work as well as the 2007 livery on a 737 IMO. A small thing that gets to me is the gap between the head of the roo and the front of the tail, it looks too far back.

getluv wrote:

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1. I don't know what I can say for you to believe me because I could be anyone. But no, no financial interests and gold status with both airlines. But I suspect your VA fanboyism is at the same heights as zkncj's for NZ, who still seems to think NZ offers a consistent product TT.

Can you please explain why you think NZ doesn't offer an consistent product on the Tasman?

Here is another picture of VH-VXM, this one shows the inside of the winglet albeit from a distance



http://australianaviation.com.au/2017/0 ... ew-livery/

Looks good on the 737, only thing that puts me off at the belly titles.

A few users have requested a Qantas Livery thread so here it is

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1368283

SQ will operate 77W instead of A388 on SQ217/218 to MEL in NW17/18

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... f-13jul17/

qf002 wrote:

Looks good on the 737, only thing that puts me off at the belly titles.

Agreed, the livery looks stunning on the B737 it's just the position of the Q A N T A S belly titles just look out of place.

EK413

Passenger accuses QF of not taking responsibility after her pet bird dies onboard a flight to LHR

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/home/p ... e1d55affc2

EK413 wrote:

qf002 wrote:

Looks good on the 737, only thing that puts me off at the belly titles.

Agreed, the livery looks stunning on the B737 it's just the position of the Q A N T A S belly titles just look out of place.

EK413

Agreed. Should of done it more like Delta, having it so far forward looks really odd.

qf789 wrote:

SQ will operate 77W instead of A388 on SQ217/218 to MEL in NW17/18

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... f-13jul17/

Hasn't the same happen the past few years? Its basically an swap with AKL as AKL goes A388 in NW.

a320fan wrote:

EK413 wrote:

qf002 wrote:

Looks good on the 737, only thing that puts me off at the belly titles.

Agreed, the livery looks stunning on the B737 it's just the position of the Q A N T A S belly titles just look out of place.

EK413

Agreed. Should of done it more like Delta, having it so far forward looks really odd.

Don't forget the 73 doesn't have main gear doors. Would've cut the titles in half. As far as I know on the A330 does and presumably every other type will have titles in the middle.

Have to say I'm quite impressed how it looks on the 73H

vhqpa wrote:

a320fan wrote:

EK413 wrote:

Agreed, the livery looks stunning on the B737 it's just the position of the Q A N T A S belly titles just look out of place.

EK413

Agreed. Should of done it more like Delta, having it so far forward looks really odd.

Don't forget the 73 doesn't have main gear doors. Would've cut the titles in half. As far as I know on the A330 does and presumably every other type will have titles in the middle.

Have to say I'm quite impressed how it looks on the 73H

*EDIT

Posted in a hurry and didn't realise it was a 737 in that Delta picture. Having seen that I tend to agree it would look better in the centre on the 73H. The open gear well doesn't seem to obscure the titles as much as I initially thought. Not sure how it would look with the gear retracted though.

vhqpa wrote:

vhqpa wrote:

a320fan wrote:

Agreed. Should of done it more like Delta, having it so far forward looks really odd.

Don't forget the 73 doesn't have main gear doors. Would've cut the titles in half. As far as I know on the A330 does and presumably every other type will have titles in the middle.

Have to say I'm quite impressed how it looks on the 73H

*EDIT

Posted in a hurry and didn't realise it was a 737 in that Delta picture. Having seen that I tend to agree it would look better in the centre on the 73H. The open gear well doesn't seem to obscure the titles as much as I initially thought. Not sure how it would look with the gear retracted though.

You don't notice it as much because of the dark belly which obscures the wheel well to a fair degree and the titles in white. The wheels/wheel wells on the QF white belly are far more prominent.

a320fan wrote:

Agreed. Should of done it more like Delta, having it so far forward looks really odd.

I think Delta having it so far back looks really odd.

mariner

mariner wrote:

a320fan wrote:

Agreed. Should of done it more like Delta, having it so far forward looks really odd.

I think Delta having it so far back looks really odd.

mariner

It's over the wing box, where belly logos are generally placed.

Hey guys,
re Jetgo planning Albion Park-Essendon and Albion Park-Brisbane flights...
Albion Park (aka Illawarra Regional Airport) is my closest commercial airport so I 'follow' developments there carefully. At the moment, Jetgo are still in negotiations over the commencement of these flights and are proposing flights from October IF all agreements are reached and signed off - the latest I heard was 6 flights per week to Brisbane and I think it was eight to Essendon. The local council has agreed to unspecified terms after a period of sole-source negotiations over the commencement of the flights but the exact financial (or other) commitments the council has made are unknown to me. The airline has said that it will fly Embraer ERJ-135s/-140s on the routes, with the Illawarra Mercury newspaper reporting that IF the services are successful Jetgo may upgrade to '70 seater aircraft' ... but Jetgo don't actually have any such planes, yet!
One funny thing ... the local newspaper's front page story about the flights showed a very large route map of Jetgo flights up and down the eastern seaboard, highlighting the Albion Park flights and showing a Qantas 737-800 graphic on the Brisbane flight and a Qantaslink Q400 graphic on the Essendon flight...
Fares on both routes are planned to start around the $150 mark one way, with the average being $250 but with cheaper 'promotional fares at certain times' according to Jetgo and reported in the newspaper. IF this is accurate I would support Jetgo rather than drive to Sydney or Canberra Airports as I currently do. I have never flown on an ERJ before so that is an added attraction to me. I absolutely love flying on Virgin Australia's E-Jets - my fav domestic jet at the moment - but I realise that the ERJs and E-Jets have pretty much nothing in common except the factory in Brazil that they were built in!
To be honest, I do not think that Jetgo will make these flights work, especially with ERJs. Qantaslink provided a decent service Albion Park - Tullamarine years ago but couldn't make it work. No one has ever tried Albion Park - Brisbane and I was totally shocked when that route was announced. However, I know friends and relatives in rural NSW who have flown Jetgo and swear by them and the comfort of the ERJs so here's hoping! I wish them all the best.
By the way, I tried to find out which other airlines had responded to the local council's request for an operator to recommence services from Albion Park (Qantaslink again? Rex? VARA?) and was told quite firmly that that information was confidential ... perhaps Jetgo was the ONLY airline to respond to the council's request for an operator to resume commercial flights? Anyone in the industry know?
Cheers
Bunumuring

Bunumuring - good summary. I gotta say it's an intriguing new service. But who else is offering RPT out of Essendon these days? Sharp Airlines and... Well I see an Alliance F70 parked up there a fair bit. Is that a charter or FIFO service? And yeah you gotta wonder if it's viable with an E135. I'd have thought a Saab or D8 would be a little more appropriate.

Gotta say I'm liking the new QF winglets. I think it's the richness of the red.

Hey aerokiwi,
The Alliance Fokker 70s operate charter flights from somewhere in QLD (Toowomba? I can't remember exactly where) to Orange in NSW and onwards to Essendon before returning along the same route. I can't remember the details of frequency (weekly?) nor who the company chartering the planes is.
Cheers,
Bunumuring

I wish jetgo well, they are slowly growing and seem keen to have a crack at some quirky unserved routes which seems to be doing them well at this point. Do they advertise at all? I doubt I would have heard of them if it wasn't for the fact I follow the industry so closely.

aerokiwi wrote:

Bunumuring - good summary. I gotta say it's an intriguing new service. But who else is offering RPT out of Essendon these days? Sharp Airlines and... Well I see an Alliance F70 parked up there a fair bit. Is that a charter or FIFO service? And yeah you gotta wonder if it's viable with an E135. I'd have thought a Saab or D8 would be a little more appropriate.

Gotta say I'm liking the new QF winglets. I think it's the richness of the red.

JETGO wanted to serve MEL but the airport wasn't interested (apparently...) so they chose MEB...

QF28 SCL-SYD diverted to CHC this afternoon, looks like it was a medical

http://theqantassource.com/qantas-b747- ... diversion/

There also are 2 flights to JNB today as yesterday's flight (Friday) was delayed overnight. Most likely to a combination VH-OEF going tech earlier in the week and VH-OJS operating a charter to HNL last night

http://theqantassource.com/qantas-b747- ... g-service/

http://theqantassource.com/qantas-b747- ... u-charter/

http://theqantassource.com/qantas-b747- ... cal-issue/

qf789 wrote:

QF28 SCL-SYD diverted to CHC this afternoon, looks like it was a medical

http://theqantassource.com/qantas-b747- ... diversion/

There also are 2 flights to JNB today as yesterday's flight (Friday) was delayed overnight. Most likely to a combination VH-OEF going tech earlier in the week and VH-OJS operating a charter to HNL last night

http://theqantassource.com/qantas-b747- ... g-service/

http://theqantassource.com/qantas-b747- ... u-charter/

http://theqantassource.com/qantas-b747- ... cal-issue/

& tonights QF25 nightstopping rescheduled to depart tomorrow morning 09:30.

EK413

a320fan wrote:

It's over the wing box, where belly logos are generally placed.

The "Delta" stil looks odd to me, too far back. I prefer this placement.



mariner

Posted this in the dedicated QF repaint thread too.

I'm really disappointed with the placement of the Q A N T A S belly titles

https://instagram.com/p/BWkZdyLgYnU/



EK413

With work on the inland freight rail line about to start (2-3 years), there should be a fair amount of opportunity for these smaller airlines to start RPT services between regional centres on the proposed route.

Hey guys,
Whilst on the subject of Jetgo, does anyone know of any other routes that they are looking at? In the newspaper articles I referenced, the reporters tell how Jetgo has a strategy to connect regional centres, flying unserved routes. The Albion Park flights are examples of this. The inland freight railway line would provide some opportunities I guess but there must be so many other potential routes Jetgo could look at.
I wonder if, long term, Sydney West could provide some opportunities for Jetgo. I'm very sure that the NSW government will be keen to entice operators to the new airport and it would be politically savvy for them to include regional connections as well as trunk routes to major capital cities.
As for advertising, I saw newspaper advertising for Jetgo when I was staying in Armidale and Tamworth last year. I don't watch much commercial TV so I can't comment on TV advertising. I seem to recall advertising as well at Tamworth airport, posters and stuff from memory.
Besides front page reports at least three times in local newspapers which could be considered as 'advertising', I haven't seen any advertising yet around my area for Jetgo. I have been doing my bit for them however, telling lots of people about them and the proposed flights!
Cheers,
Bunumuring

Greetings bunumuring, Itrust you are not tall in stature as it is somewhat of a task negotiating oneself down the E145's tube! Nonetheless it is a good little aircraft. Enjoy the experience and all future flights.

The rumour going around PER and DRW is that Virgin are getting the Mint product for the 737s (aka the Thomson Vantage non XL product). Initially it will only be for a number of 737s for the east/west flights.

It wouldn't surprise me that Virgin roll this out to the rest of the fleet - "we're not making any money, and people are complaining about the old product, so we're going to roll it out across the fleet and get one up on QF".

From a pax perspective this would be amazing, but its hard to justify the cost of buying and installing the seats. There will be little to no revenue uplift and there will be a loss of seats.

Do we think that QF will react and we will end up in another "willy waving" competition that impacts profit?



Sorry, not a very coherent argument, but I'm still waking up.

[quote="redroo"]The rumour going around PER and DRW is that Virgin are getting the Mint product for the 737s (aka the Thomson Vantage non XL product). Initially it will only be for a number of 737s for the east/west flights.

It wouldn't surprise me that Virgin roll this out to the rest of the fleet - "we're not making any money, and people are complaining about the old product, so we're going to roll it out across the fleet and get one up on QF".

From a pax perspective this would be amazing, but its hard to justify the cost of buying and installing the seats. There will be little to no revenue uplift and there will be a loss of seats.

Do we think that QF will react and we will end up in another "willy waving" competition that impacts profit?

My thoughts in 3 words. No, No, and No (to the "willy waving" comp as you so aptly put it).

I doubt VA would roll it out fleet wide. It may just be a one off bit of luck if you happen to score a shorter sector on one of the equiped birds in order to keep up utilisation rather than solely dedicating them to transcon.

325i wrote:

Greetings bunumuring, Itrust you are not tall in stature as it is somewhat of a task negotiating oneself down the E145's tube! Nonetheless it is a good little aircraft. Enjoy the experience and all future flights.

Hey mate... thanks for the good wishes!
I am 6foot tall ... and had my worse ever non-Air China flight on a Kendall CRJ-100 sitting in a window seat around the turn of the century ... I couldn't even sit up straight as my head wouldn't fit against the sidewall without a distinct tilt, lol! Walk down the aisle, ummmm no I couldn't!
Cheers
Bunumuring

redroo wrote:

The rumour going around PER and DRW is that Virgin are getting the Mint product for the 737s (aka the Thomson Vantage non XL product). Initially it will only be for a number of 737s for the east/west flights.

I've said this on other forums, and I'll say it here, VA cannot afford this. To fit the Vantage in the 737 means a reduction in J seats by 2, and Y seats by 6. That lifts CASM by 4% or thereabouts which in a fluctuating market that is not good. VA aren't making the cash that QF are (group wise, I know VA Dom is making $$) . It's not like they can lift J fares to compensate as they already charge the same for the 737 as they do the A330 services.

VA need to look at their whole position in the market and work out what they want to be, before they go adding a "Mint" style product.

bunumuring wrote:

Hey guys,
Whilst on the subject of Jetgo, does anyone know of any other routes that they are looking at? In the newspaper articles I referenced, the reporters tell how Jetgo has a strategy to connect regional centres, flying unserved routes. The Albion Park flights are examples of this. The inland freight railway line would provide some opportunities I guess but there must be so many other potential routes Jetgo could look at.
I wonder if, long term, Sydney West could provide some opportunities for Jetgo. I'm very sure that the NSW government will be keen to entice operators to the new airport and it would be politically savvy for them to include regional connections as well as trunk routes to major capital cities.
As for advertising, I saw newspaper advertising for Jetgo when I was staying in Armidale and Tamworth last year. I don't watch much commercial TV so I can't comment on TV advertising. I seem to recall advertising as well at Tamworth airport, posters and stuff from memory.
Besides front page reports at least three times in local newspapers which could be considered as 'advertising', I haven't seen any advertising yet around my area for Jetgo. I have been doing my bit for them however, telling lots of people about them and the proposed flights!
Cheers,
Bunumuring

I think that Sydney West will probably get plenty of interest from QF/JQ, VA/TT and ZL that it might not provide an opportunity for JG. We will see though, will be interesting to see how JG expands.

redroo wrote:

The rumour going around PER and DRW is that Virgin are getting the Mint product for the 737s (aka the Thomson Vantage non XL product). Initially it will only be for a number of 737s for the east/west flights.

It wouldn't surprise me that Virgin roll this out to the rest of the fleet - "we're not making any money, and people are complaining about the old product, so we're going to roll it out across the fleet and get one up on QF".

Installing that product across the fleet? VA would be shooting themselves in the foot. Entirely inappropriate product for a SYD-MEL-BNE rotation which make up the bulk of their domestic flying. It may great for passengers but the economics wouldn't stack up. People aren't going to be paying the premium for this product on a 1-2 hr sector that VA need to make the capital outlay justifiable. They would also take a seat count hit by installing the new product.

Installing it on a dedicated PER-East Coast fleet is probably not ideal either, but VA have really pushed themselves into a corner when they introduced "The Business" on the A330 and set a precedent/standard. Going back to the existing 737 business class would alienate existing VA business customers and would be a hit to JB's ego who seems intent on having a superior product to QF at all costs. The challenge for VA as it was with the A330 business class, is getting the premium/yield to make the capital outlay worthwhile. With fewer business class seats on a 737, this will certainly help but the PER-East Coast market is no longer the pot of gold when the mining boom was in full swing.

At least VA have put the A330 business class product onto Intl routes now where in theory, there is a greater ability to extract an appropriate yield/premium on the product. The routes to HKG/China will really put VA's virtual global network and partners to the test. Coming up against the existing heavyweight incumbents in CX/QF/CZ/MU/CA is not going to be particularly easy.

Boof wrote:

I've said this on other forums, and I'll say it here, VA cannot afford this.

I agree... but its not going to stop them doing it. I believe they will continue to blow money until Borghetti's benefactors eventually have enough and set him free. NZ were the first to go. No company can sustain spending money like VA do and get no return on it.

qf789 wrote:

Here is another picture of VH-VXM, this one shows the inside of the winglet albeit from a distance



http://australianaviation.com.au/2017/0 ... ew-livery/

Yeah I like it, very modern and another little enhancement of the original livery that came out in 1984. I like the silver and I do hope we see this on the 744s.

2 New Chinese applications to the CAAC both for Tianjin Airlines

Chongqing - Zhengzhou - Sydney X2 weekly
Chongqing - Nanjing - Melbourne X2 weekly this is a strange on as Lucky Air a sister airline of Tianjin currently has an application for Kumning - Nanjing - Melbourne and Tianjin themselves are starting Chongqing - Melbourne from October.

log0008 wrote:

2 New Chinese applications to the CAAC both for Tianjin Airlines

Chongqing - Zhengzhou - Sydney X2 weekly
Chongqing - Nanjing - Melbourne X2 weekly this is a strange on as Lucky Air a sister airline of Tianjin currently has an application for Kumning - Nanjing - Melbourne and Tianjin themselves are starting Chongqing - Melbourne from October.

All these secondary cities are getting out of hand! How many cities serve Australia now?
Would be nice to see QF or VA announce a secondary city if demand justifies.

EK413

SYDSpotter wrote:

redroo wrote:

The rumour going around PER and DRW is that Virgin are getting the Mint product for the 737s (aka the Thomson Vantage non XL product). Initially it will only be for a number of 737s for the east/west flights.

It wouldn't surprise me that Virgin roll this out to the rest of the fleet - "we're not making any money, and people are complaining about the old product, so we're going to roll it out across the fleet and get one up on QF".

Installing that product across the fleet? VA would be shooting themselves in the foot. Entirely inappropriate product for a SYD-MEL-BNE rotation which make up the bulk of their domestic flying. It may great for passengers but the economics wouldn't stack up. People aren't going to be paying the premium for this product on a 1-2 hr sector that VA need to make the capital outlay justifiable. They would also take a seat count hit by installing the new product.

Installing it on a dedicated PER-East Coast fleet is probably not ideal either, but VA have really pushed themselves into a corner when they introduced "The Business" on the A330 and set a precedent/standard. Going back to the existing 737 business class would alienate existing VA business customers and would be a hit to JB's ego who seems intent on having a superior product to QF at all costs. The challenge for VA as it was with the A330 business class, is getting the premium/yield to make the capital outlay worthwhile. With fewer business class seats on a 737, this will certainly help but the PER-East Coast market is no longer the pot of gold when the mining boom was in full swing.

At least VA have put the A330 business class product onto Intl routes now where in theory, there is a greater ability to extract an appropriate yield/premium on the product. The routes to HKG/China will really put VA's virtual global network and partners to the test. Coming up against the existing heavyweight incumbents in CX/QF/CZ/MU/CA is not going to be particularly easy.

A subfleet of 737s with lie flat J does open other opportunities such as DRW (east coast redeyes) and CNS(peak syd/mel) as well if they get the balance right. Probably have enough to cover TT as well. Perhaps the new standard would see flat beds for routes beyond 3hrs. It does seem like overkill.
Im looking forward to the potential QF response. Will they upgrade their 738s? Perhaps put the 787 W seat as its new domestic J. Maybe even purchase some A321s under Jetconnect and run them exclusively EW in conjunction with TT and a splash of domestic 332s

EK413 wrote:

log0008 wrote:

2 New Chinese applications to the CAAC both for Tianjin Airlines

Chongqing - Zhengzhou - Sydney X2 weekly
Chongqing - Nanjing - Melbourne X2 weekly this is a strange on as Lucky Air a sister airline of Tianjin currently has an application for Kumning - Nanjing - Melbourne and Tianjin themselves are starting Chongqing - Melbourne from October.

All these secondary cities are getting out of hand! How many cities serve Australia now?
Would be nice to see QF or VA announce a secondary city if demand justifies.

EK413

I heard months back that JQ was close to launching a new secondary route. That seems to have gone quiet. Any new secondary city from an AU carrier would need to backing of the chinese agencies to support it. It does seem that they would prefer to use their home carriers, which makes sense for them but forces QF and VA to partner up and only fly to major hubs

qantas747 wrote:

EK413 wrote:

log0008 wrote:

2 New Chinese applications to the CAAC both for Tianjin Airlines

Chongqing - Zhengzhou - Sydney X2 weekly
Chongqing - Nanjing - Melbourne X2 weekly this is a strange on as Lucky Air a sister airline of Tianjin currently has an application for Kumning - Nanjing - Melbourne and Tianjin themselves are starting Chongqing - Melbourne from October.

All these secondary cities are getting out of hand! How many cities serve Australia now?
Would be nice to see QF or VA announce a secondary city if demand justifies.

EK413

I heard months back that JQ was close to launching a new secondary route. That seems to have gone quiet. Any new secondary city from an AU carrier would need to backing of the chinese agencies to support it. It does seem that they would prefer to use their home carriers, which makes sense for them but forces QF and VA to partner up and only fly to major hubs

JQ were rumored to be launching Melbourne-Zhengzhou but yes it has gone quiet.

qantas747 wrote:

A subfleet of 737s with lie flat J does open other opportunities such as DRW (east coast redeyes) and CNS(peak syd/mel) as well if they get the balance right.

As a veteran of 100+ DRW-eastcoast redeyes (all but 1 in economy) - I don't think that the redeye is super high yield. Even during the boom time of the DRW economy - QF would drop down to 3 or 4 days a week on the redeye in the wet and shoulder seasons (and go 6-7/week in the dry). The 1-2pm bank of flights out of DRW are much higher yielding.

I think with VA if you are struggling to make money you don't spend more money to reduce the number of J and Y seats with something that isn't going to let you charge more. Essentially they are lining Thomsons pockets for no benefit to their own bottom line.

Not to say I would like flat beds in all the 737s in Australia I just don't see how it's going to make anyone any money.

And the thing that VA need to do is make some money.

At Auckland Airport waiting for flight home. Qf have a flight Auckland to Tahiti QFA6032 . anybody know if this is a,charter , or enroute to another port ? Operating with 332 -VH-EBE
Spotted it on Flight radar while I was browsing

An767

Even assuming the new, you-beaut, whizz-bang product VA says it will rock our worlds with later this year IS actually a variation on B6's Mint:
* it will not, and cannot, be Mint itself as Mint is designed for the A320 family's wider cabin;
* it is unlikely DRW will see the new product - neither QF nor VA has ever been known for sharing the product love with the NT, albeit doing so with an A330 would be even less likely, and the NT is just not high yielding enough - it is, for all intents and purposes, a route that typically demands large numbers of Y class pax, and very often J is filled with at-gate or check-in upgrades;
* Mint, or any derivative thereof, has no place whatsoever fleet-wide - a 6'8" flat bed on the kind of sectors that make up most of VA's and QF's domestic network (i.e. between SYD, MEL, BNE and ADL, all <3hrs) is a great recipe for losing money, not for making it.

An767 wrote:

At Auckland Airport waiting for flight home. Qf have a flight Auckland to Tahiti QFA6032 . anybody know if this is a,charter , or enroute to another port ? Operating with 332 -VH-EBE
Spotted it on Flight radar while I was browsing

An767

Guessing this is a charter of some sort as QF regularly use QF6032 as a flight number for charters (more recent routes were SYD-NOU, SYD-SCL-GIG, SIN-BNE, SIN-ROK etc.)

DeltaB717 wrote:

* it will not, and cannot, be Mint itself as Mint is designed for the A320 family's wider cabin;

The only minty part of the Mint product is the cosmetic finishes, which are airline specific and most like proprietary. The seat itself is an off-the-shelf product, and installing the Thomson seat in a 737 isn't an issue.

An767 wrote:

At Auckland Airport waiting for flight home. Qf have a flight Auckland to Tahiti QFA6032 . anybody know if this is a,charter , or enroute to another port ? Operating with 332 -VH-EBE
Spotted it on Flight radar while I was browsing

An767

Full routing QF6003 MEL-AKL earlier today (Monday), QF6032 AKL-PPT enroute as I type, and QF6006 PPT-MEL arriving in MEL tomorrow (Tuesday). There are definitely charter and positioning flight numbers in there... I just can't for the life of me think which is which today (I blame Monday morning lol)