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Re: LOT to start Budapest- New York

Wed Jul 05, 2017 2:15 pm

avek00 wrote:
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Lot's relationship with UA is not very strong. Instead of feeding Lot's flight to BUD UA will be more inclined to put pax on their own or their JV partners' metal to Europe and onto connections through FRA, MUC, VIE, ZRH, BRU.

Btw. It is being reported that LOT bought a domain "malot.hu" (probably short for Magyar LOT and reminiscent of malev.hu) so maybe LO's plans for BUD are bigger than just the NYC flight.


United and LOT Polish have antitrust immunity, so it's entirely possible they might embark on some cooperation for this route.


No they don't. United and LOT aren't in any JV together.
 
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Re: LOT to start Budapest- New York

Wed Jul 05, 2017 2:29 pm

winter wrote:
avek00 wrote:
konkret wrote:
Lot's relationship with UA is not very strong. Instead of feeding Lot's flight to BUD UA will be more inclined to put pax on their own or their JV partners' metal to Europe and onto connections through FRA, MUC, VIE, ZRH, BRU.

Btw. It is being reported that LOT bought a domain "malot.hu" (probably short for Magyar LOT and reminiscent of malev.hu) so maybe LO's plans for BUD are bigger than just the NYC flight.


United and LOT Polish have antitrust immunity, so it's entirely possible they might embark on some cooperation for this route.


No they don't. United and LOT aren't in any JV together.

He is correct, UA and LOT do have antitrust immunity. LOT is not part of the transatlantic JV however. ATIs and JVs are not the exact same thing.
 
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Re: LOT to start Budapest- New York

Wed Jul 05, 2017 3:05 pm

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Add to that: Aegean, eurowings, Egyptair, brussels airlines...they can feed from many of those destination into BUD...
and making it possible for US based pax to fly into BUD and back to the US from BRU, VIE, ZRH, FRA, etc ..

I would not see many pax ditching the nonstops UA/LH+LX+OS offer already. CAI and off-season ATH are more likely connections to flow over BUD, but not the LH Group hubs
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Re: LOT to start Budapest- New York

Wed Jul 05, 2017 3:06 pm

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That's interesting. Could be the case, the Polish and Hungarian governments have a lot in common, perhaps the end goal is to have an SAS kind of airline, Poland, Hungary and may be the Czech Republic or Slovakia?
KrisYYZ


That would be great. But the population of Hungary and Slovakia together isn't even a half of population of Poland. So not too much contribution in pax numbers. However, BUD is easily accessible by ground from all neighbouring countries. I'd say that's they're after.


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Re: LOT to start Budapest- New York

Wed Jul 05, 2017 3:13 pm

CSA not CSK - you are right.
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Re: LOT to start Budapest- New York

Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:00 pm

BUD is becoming also a very touristic city for Americans, who got bored of Prague (believing it was all there was to see from Eastern Europe). Is not my favorite city, but US tourism to Europe grows every day, imho...
 
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Re: LOT to start Budapest- New York

Wed Jul 05, 2017 6:57 pm

This sounds like an interesting venture to say the least. The only current TATL flight that BUD has is AC's seasonal YYZ service.
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Re: LOT to start Budapest- New York

Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:29 pm

Polot wrote:
winter wrote:
avek00 wrote:

United and LOT Polish have antitrust immunity, so it's entirely possible they might embark on some cooperation for this route.


No they don't. United and LOT aren't in any JV together.

He is correct, UA and LOT do have antitrust immunity. LOT is not part of the transatlantic JV however. ATIs and JVs are not the exact same thing.


UA doesn't even place its code on any LO transatlantic flights. UA at the moment only codeshares on a few LO flights from LHR, AMS, BRU, and FRA. Everything else to Poland with UA code is all on LH group metal.
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Re: LOT to start Budapest- New York

Thu Jul 06, 2017 3:08 am

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Would a EWR-BUD or JFK-BUD be in range for a DL or UA 757? The 75 is really the right airplane for this, if it can reach.


Theoretically yes, but very tight. The 757 range is 7.222 kilometers, Newark Liberty Airport to Budapest Airport is 7.045 kilometers. That leaves only 177 kilometers margin for headwind, go-arounds, etc. Not enough if you ask me.


United couldn't operate TXL-EWR reliably with a 757 nonstop. BUD at about 400sm farther wouldn't be easier. No, 757s as configured in DL and UA fleets don't have the range.
 
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Re: LOT to start Budapest- New York

Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:00 am

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Lack of shorthaul connections at BUD will be difficult to overcome.

Personally I thought EK would be the most likely candidate to make a BUD-NYC offering.


Aren't those two things directly contradictory? How does the EK option overcome the lack of shorthaul connections?

(Leaving EK aside) Where would people be connecting to/from at the BUD end?
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Re: LOT to start Budapest- New York

Thu Jul 06, 2017 1:51 pm

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(Leaving EK aside) Where would people be connecting to/from at the BUD end?


I believe they aren't after connections. I think they are targeting VFR O&D passengers. There is a lot of people living within few hours of driving from BUD.
That said, BUD has some *A presence, so the smart a$$ answer could be "Wherever they want"
I really hope this route will work so well that they start thinking about BUD - YYZ too.
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Re: LOT to start Budapest- New York

Thu Jul 06, 2017 2:50 pm

The other question here is if such a route is announced, how long until Delta jumps on summer seasonal JFK-BUD.
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Re: LOT to start Budapest- New York

Thu Jul 06, 2017 7:48 pm

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Would a EWR-BUD or JFK-BUD be in range for a DL or UA 757? The 75 is really the right airplane for this, if it can reach.


Is it??!!? Just because you say so??


Firstly, thank you to the thought police for calling out this colossal misuse of free speech. My mistake.

The 757 has proven itself time and again on performing TATL routes from a hub to a mid-sized city. DUB-BDL, PHL-GLA, EWR-BHX, IAD-LIS... just to name a few. I sure don't think this is a ridiculous idea, but perhaps you do.

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Re: LOT to start Budapest- New York

Thu Jul 06, 2017 8:06 pm

MLIAA wrote:
stlgph wrote:
MLIAA wrote:
Would a EWR-BUD or JFK-BUD be in range for a DL or UA 757? The 75 is really the right airplane for this, if it can reach.


Is it??!!? Just because you say so??


Firstly, thank you to the thought police for calling out this colossal misuse of free speech. My mistake.

The 757 has proven itself time and again on performing TATL routes from a hub to a mid-sized city. DUB-BDL, PHL-GLA, EWR-BHX, IAD-LIS... just to name a few. I sure don't think this is a ridiculous idea, but perhaps you do.

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Sure dude, let's take a plane that can barely make it from Berlin to Newark and just slap on another 500 miles. I'm glad you think that's a good idea.
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Re: LOT to start Budapest- New York

Fri Jul 07, 2017 2:51 am

Here's some updated news. The article still doesn't state which NY airport. I hope the link works. First time posting a link.

http://abouthungary.hu/news-in-brief/di ... arly-2018/
 
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Re: LOT to start Budapest- New York

Fri Jul 07, 2017 8:26 am

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Here's some updated news. The article still doesn't state which NY airport. I hope the link works. First time posting a link.

http://abouthungary.hu/news-in-brief/di ... arly-2018/



Polish media are reporting that flights will be to NYC and ORD, starting in May 2018. A bit different (LAX vs. ORD) than the news piece cited above. Polish media also report that LO flights to Asia from BUD are on the horizon, in addition to other connections. We shall see once the official announcement is made! (Where's all this lift coming from?!)

(Sorry, only in Polish) LOT To Become Hungary's National Carrier - http://www.fakt.pl/wydarzenia/polityka/ ... er/pgy05sy
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Re: LOT to start Budapest- New York

Fri Jul 07, 2017 10:25 am

It's official - LOT to fly 4x weekly to JFK, 2x weekly to ORD from BUD. One 787 to be based at BUD. Flights begin in May 2018, and are bookable now. No cuts to any long-haul flights from WAW.

(In Polish) http://www.msn.com/pl-pl/finanse/firmy/ ... spartanntp
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Re: LOT to start Budapest- New York

Fri Jul 07, 2017 10:37 am

I wish LOT a LOT of success and a bright future to BUD.
Why would people not take LOT for this route?
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Re: LOT to start Budapest- New York

Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:11 am

Timetable all route on Boeing 787-8

BUD-JFK 11:55 - 15:40 (1--45-7)
JFK-BUD 18:15 - 08:50 (1--45-7)

BUD-ORD 11:35 - 14:50 (-2---6-)
ORD-BUD 16:35 - 08:55 (-2---6-)
 
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Re: LOT to start Budapest- New York

Fri Jul 07, 2017 1:50 pm

Why is the BUD-JFK flight scheduled to take 30 minutes more than BUD-ORD?
I would think that the distance to ORD is a bit longer than to JFK
 
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Re: LOT to start Budapest- New York

Fri Jul 07, 2017 1:55 pm

Hell yes!
1. Convenient for me to see JFK chosen over EWR.
2. Great to see Chicago brought into this.

Now, how long until Delta announces summer seasonal Budapest from JFK.
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Re: LOT to start Budapest- New York

Fri Jul 07, 2017 2:08 pm

Star carriers seem to have a preference for JFK despite the UA hub at EWR.

LO kept JFK going when they shuttered EWR for a few years.

They also have new roomier digs at T7
 
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Re: LOT to start Budapest- New York

Fri Jul 07, 2017 2:16 pm

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Star carriers seem to have a preference for JFK despite the UA hub at EWR.

LO kept JFK going when they shuttered EWR for a few years.

They also have new roomier digs at T7


LO has next to no codeshares via EWR on UA, most are via ORD. Also, UA doesnt codeshare on LO TATL flights. I get the sense that UA-LO cooperation is oversold by many here.
 
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Re: LOT to start Budapest- New York

Fri Jul 07, 2017 4:23 pm

Apparently it will be out of JFK for New York. I'd expect a W pattern...something like WAW-ORD-BUD-JFK-WAW, similar to what LH used to do with Dussleldorf to maintain Newark service (before fixing an A333 at DUS).

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... early-2q18
 
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Re: LOT to start Budapest- New York

Fri Jul 07, 2017 4:33 pm

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Why is the BUD-JFK flight scheduled to take 30 minutes more than BUD-ORD?
I would think that the distance to ORD is a bit longer than to JFK

Actually, ORD is scheduled for 30 mins longer, there is a time zone change between JFK and ORD.

aemoreira1981 wrote:
Apparently it will be out of JFK for New York. I'd expect a W pattern...something like WAW-ORD-BUD-JFK-WAW, similar to what LH used to do with Dussleldorf to maintain Newark service (before fixing an A333 at DUS).

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... early-2q18

Or if you had read three posts above you you would see that they are actually basing the aircraft at BUD. It will not go to WAW, rather rotate BUD-JFK-BUD-ORD-BUD.
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Re: LOT to start Budapest- New York

Fri Jul 07, 2017 5:33 pm

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Actually, ORD is scheduled for 30 mins longer, there is a time zone change between JFK and ORD.


I didn't take time zones into consideration. Thanks for pointing this out.
 
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Re: LOT to start Budapest- New York

Fri Jul 07, 2017 5:46 pm

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Great to see Chicago brought into this.

I know there's lots of Poles in Chicago (and Milwaukee, for that matter), but how does the Hungarian population around here stack up? Is there going to be enough O&D traffic?
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Re: LOT to start Budapest- New York

Fri Jul 07, 2017 5:56 pm

Will they codeshare with anyone out of BUD for these flights? They arrive quite early comparison to their daily JFK/ORD flights to WAW.
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Re: LOT to start Budapest- New York

Fri Jul 07, 2017 6:00 pm

Great news for Chicago. LOT will serve 3 destinations from ORD (Warsaw, Krakow and now Budapest).

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Re: LOT to start Budapest - New York & Chicago

Fri Jul 07, 2017 6:44 pm

Interesting route. Could potentially see four LOT 787s at ORD in the same day. 2x Warsaw, 1x Krakow, 1x Budapest.
 
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Re: LOT to start Budapest- New York

Fri Jul 07, 2017 6:59 pm

mke717spotter wrote:
stlgph wrote:
Great to see Chicago brought into this.

I know there's lots of Poles in Chicago (and Milwaukee, for that matter), but how does the Hungarian population around here stack up? Is there going to be enough O&D traffic?


According to Wikipedia there aren't too many Hungarians in Illinois. However, BUD has a very good location for passengers traveling to several countries in the area, so the numbers may add up.
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Re: LOT to start Budapest- New York

Fri Jul 07, 2017 8:47 pm

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That's interesting. Could be the case, the Polish and Hungarian governments have a lot in common, perhaps the end goal is to have an SAS kind of airline, Poland, Hungary and may be the Czech Republic or Slovakia?
KrisYYZ


That would be great. But the population of Hungary and Slovakia together isn't even a half of population of Poland. So not too much contribution in pax numbers. However, BUD is easily accessible by ground from all neighbouring countries. I'd say that's they're after.



re: The comparison with SAS: The combined population of Hungary and Slovakia is 70% that of the 3 SAS countries. Hungary itself is nearly as populous as Sweden.
 
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Re: LOT to start Budapest- New York

Fri Jul 07, 2017 9:18 pm

mernest wrote:
WildcatYXU wrote:
krisyyz wrote:
That's interesting. Could be the case, the Polish and Hungarian governments have a lot in common, perhaps the end goal is to have an SAS kind of airline, Poland, Hungary and may be the Czech Republic or Slovakia?
KrisYYZ


That would be great. But the population of Hungary and Slovakia together isn't even a half of population of Poland. So not too much contribution in pax numbers. However, BUD is easily accessible by ground from all neighbouring countries. I'd say that's they're after.



re: The comparison with SAS: The combined population of Hungary and Slovakia is 70% that of the 3 SAS countries. Hungary itself is nearly as populous as Sweden.

Those are only population figures, there are other factors that don't compate to Scandinavia. And a multinational airline like SK takes a lot tighter collaboration, like the one in the Nordic countries. Poland, Slovakia and Hungary don't have that. SK is complicated enough in Scandinavia...

Oh, and while Sweden's population is rapidly growing, that of Hungary has been in decline for the better part of 50 years.
 
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Re: LOT to start Budapest- New York

Fri Jul 07, 2017 9:30 pm

WildcatYXU wrote:
mke717spotter wrote:
stlgph wrote:
Great to see Chicago brought into this.

I know there's lots of Poles in Chicago (and Milwaukee, for that matter), but how does the Hungarian population around here stack up? Is there going to be enough O&D traffic?


According to Wikipedia there aren't too many Hungarians in Illinois. However, BUD has a very good location for passengers traveling to several countries in the area, so the numbers may add up.


I'm one of the proud Hungarian-American (really Hungarian-Namibian-American) Chicagoans, and there aren't many of us. Some, but not many. I don't think this route would cater to Hungarian-Americans in Chicago too much.
 
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Re: LOT to start Budapest- New York

Fri Jul 07, 2017 9:35 pm

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WildcatYXU wrote:
krisyyz wrote:
That's interesting. Could be the case, the Polish and Hungarian governments have a lot in common, perhaps the end goal is to have an SAS kind of airline, Poland, Hungary and may be the Czech Republic or Slovakia?
KrisYYZ


That would be great. But the population of Hungary and Slovakia together isn't even a half of population of Poland. So not too much contribution in pax numbers. However, BUD is easily accessible by ground from all neighbouring countries. I'd say that's they're after.



re: The comparison with SAS: The combined population of Hungary and Slovakia is 70% that of the 3 SAS countries. Hungary itself is nearly as populous as Sweden.


The average income (net) in Sweden is 2,560 euros the average income in Hungary is 570. Those 2000 euros buy a lot of tickets. Source Wiki.

I wish LOT a lot of success and I might just fly one of these routes just for the fun of it but I don't think this is going to work out. Is LOT going to open a lounge in BUD? I love their lounge in WAW.
 
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Re: LOT to start Budapest- New York

Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:43 pm

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Now, how long until Delta announces summer seasonal Budapest from JFK.


JFK-BUD was part of Delta's ill-fated 2005-2006 expansion into Eastern Europe: Kiev, Prague, Bucharest...
 
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Re: LOT to start Budapest- New York

Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:58 pm

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stlgph wrote:
Great to see Chicago brought into this.

I know there's lots of Poles in Chicago (and Milwaukee, for that matter), but how does the Hungarian population around here stack up? Is there going to be enough O&D traffic?

According to Wiki Ohio remains the largest Hungarian population in U.S. with 203k mostly in N.E. Ohio , Malev at one point used to fly to CLE
 
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Re: LOT to start Budapest - New York & Chicago

Sat Jul 08, 2017 12:01 am

I predicted DY at ORD and yesterday sugested ORD-BUD on LY along with JFK.

DTW trolls are rolling over this!
 
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Sat Jul 08, 2017 12:18 am

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I predicted DY at ORD and yesterday sugested ORD-BUD on LY along with JFK.

DTW trolls are rolling over this!


LY? I know that many Hungarian expats in the USA are of Jewish heritage, but I doubt El Al would open a route from ORD (or JFK) to BUD for them.
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Re: LOT to start Budapest - New York & Chicago

Sat Jul 08, 2017 2:21 am

kngkyle wrote:
Interesting route. Could potentially see four LOT 787s at ORD in the same day. 2x Warsaw, 1x Krakow, 1x Budapest.


Given that there is a huge Polish population in NYC, I'm surprised that some Warsaw frequences aren't moved to Krakow from JFK (servicing Warsaw daily and Krakow 2x weekly.

As for where Hungarians are populated, they are all over the USA, and Ohio is the largest home for them, followed by NY and CA. JetBlue is a partner airline in New York to provide feed there.
 
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Sat Jul 08, 2017 3:53 am

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stlgph wrote:

Now, how long until Delta announces summer seasonal Budapest from JFK.


JFK-BUD was part of Delta's ill-fated 2005-2006 expansion into Eastern Europe: Kiev, Prague, Bucharest...


ok......and?
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Re: LOT to start Budapest- New York

Sat Jul 08, 2017 8:52 am

Robert1010 wrote:
mke717spotter wrote:
stlgph wrote:
Great to see Chicago brought into this.

I know there's lots of Poles in Chicago (and Milwaukee, for that matter), but how does the Hungarian population around here stack up? Is there going to be enough O&D traffic?

According to Wiki Ohio remains the largest Hungarian population in U.S. with 203k mostly in N.E. Ohio , Malev at one point used to fly to CLE

For how long did the fly to CLE? And how often a week?
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Re: LOT to start Budapest- New York

Sat Jul 08, 2017 9:10 am

No, they have CSA and they do not like to be called Czechia


Sorry to be off topic, but this is NOT true. I´m proud Czech and I like my country to be called Czechia a lot.
 
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Re: LOT to start Budapest- New York

Sat Jul 08, 2017 11:31 am

winter wrote:
jfklganyc wrote:
Star carriers seem to have a preference for JFK despite the UA hub at EWR.

LO kept JFK going when they shuttered EWR for a few years.

They also have new roomier digs at T7


LO has next to no codeshares via EWR on UA, most are via ORD. Also, UA doesnt codeshare on LO TATL flights. I get the sense that UA-LO cooperation is oversold by many here.


For TATL flights UE=LH (they codeshare almost everything) and I seriously doubt LH is anywhere near being happy with LO announcing JFK & ORD connections from BUD. Subsequently, I would not rely too much on any cooperation with UA on the American continent (LO has / had? some interline agreements with B6 for JFK flights), instead I would hope for codesharing with minor Star Alliance members in Balkan area (Adria, Croatia Airlines, maybe even Aegean) that do not have widebody planes (thus do not operate TATL).

Other than that I do not think BUD flights need much feeding by commuter flights. There is nearly 10 million Hungarians, most of them with easy access to BUD airport (like maximum 1.5 hours of driving) plus the population of Southern Slovakia and other neighbouring countries.
 
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Re: LOT to start Budapest - New York & Chicago

Sat Jul 08, 2017 12:50 pm

Would routes like this be less questioned and more accepted as viable with a new MOM/797. Seems that plane may be the one for directs to smaller, more tourist centered Eastern European destinations from the USA. The growth in river cruising comes to mind as a seasonal niche that plane would serve well.

The US3 are facing a problem brewing that may undermine their Alliances and fortress hubs they funnel all that TATL through with the help of those partners.
 
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Re: LOT to start Budapest - New York & Chicago

Sat Jul 08, 2017 1:04 pm

Here is a press release from BUD Airport with pictures:

http://www.bud.hu/english/budapest-airp ... 24857.html
 
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Re: LOT to start Budapest - New York & Chicago

Sat Jul 08, 2017 4:57 pm

Totally out of left field - didn't see that one coming!

Some media are reporting LO is also increasing WAW-BUD from 4x to 6x daily along with the JFK/ORD flights.

I have to say, a bit curious that resources are being sent to BUD. I thought the new 78's would be used to keep expanding longhaul from WAW (Miami, Montreal, LAX, Shanghai, Singapore, New Delhi, etc). So either growth out of Warsaw needs to cool down or... LOT is truly making a play for Hungary and the Balkans. These are places where the airline isn't as strong but wants to be the dominant network airline in the region.

If this BUD experiment works for longhaul, I predict we'll see Budapest develop into a LO focus city for Europe flights. Alternatively, the Hungarian government could bankroll a regional airline a la LOT/Nordica in Estonia.
 
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Re: LOT to start Budapest - New York & Chicago

Sat Jul 08, 2017 9:14 pm

filipair wrote:
Totally out of left field - didn't see that one coming!

Some media are reporting LO is also increasing WAW-BUD from 4x to 6x daily along with the JFK/ORD flights.


If this BUD experiment works for longhaul, I predict we'll see Budapest develop into a LO focus city for Europe flights. Alternatively, the Hungarian government could bankroll a regional airline a la LOT/Nordica in Estonia.


the increase from 4x daily to 6 x daily on WAW-BUD is confirmed.

LO is going to offload the 10 Q400 they got from eurolot, so it is possible that they may create a regional feeder airline using those aircraft.
 
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Re: LOT to start Budapest - New York & Chicago

Sat Jul 08, 2017 11:38 pm

WROORD wrote:
LO is going to offload the 10 Q400 they got from eurolot, so it is possible that they may create a regional feeder airline using those aircraft.
filipair wrote:
Totally out of left field - didn't see that one coming!

Some media are reporting LO is also increasing WAW-BUD from 4x to 6x daily along with the JFK/ORD flights.

I have to say, a bit curious that resources are being sent to BUD. I thought the new 78's would be used to keep expanding longhaul from WAW (Miami, Montreal, LAX, Shanghai, Singapore, New Delhi, etc). So either growth out of Warsaw needs to cool down or... LOT is truly making a play for Hungary and the Balkans. These are places where the airline isn't as strong but wants to be the dominant network airline in the region.

If this BUD experiment works for longhaul, I predict we'll see Budapest develop into a LO focus city for Europe flights. Alternatively, the Hungarian government could bankroll a regional airline a la LOT/Nordica in Estonia.



Well that is how Malev kept their long-haul flight full and profitable. A lot of traffic from Albania, Serbia etc, connecting through BUD to NYC and Toronto. And since Wizz doesn't code-share with long-haul carriers, LO may have an advantage if the price is right. Although that model is highly seasonal, LO may need to look at some sun destinations from BUD over the winter, like BKK.

As much as I want this work, I'm still a bit skeptical, LO can't compete with LH and KL/AF, and the frequency announced seems a bit optimistic. Albeit AC rouge did increase their seasonal YYZ service from 3 to 5 flights a week.

As others have mentioned, I agree that politics has a big part to play here. Two nationalistic, euro-skeptic, right-wing governments are behind this venture, It will be interesting to see the marketing strategy.

BUD just commenced the building a new pier at BUD with more widebody gates. I think only 3 gates at BUD can accommodate a widebody at the moment.

http://www.bud.hu/english/budapest-airp ... 23524.html

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Re: LOT to start Budapest - New York & Chicago

Mon Jul 10, 2017 1:29 pm

A bold move, and some welcome out of the box thinking. I too am worried about the lack of feed. But BUD-NYC has potential. It could still work.

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